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Big Brother.
Mainstream media.
Government cover-ups.
You want answers?
Well, so does he.
He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you so much for joining us on this live Wednesday edition, the second day of August 2006.
We're going to be live here for the next three hours.
We have Ralph Shoman joining us.
This guy has
Literally been all over the world and seen government black operations close up.
He has lived in Palestinian refugee camps and he'll be giving us an eyewitness view of exactly the type of things that go on over there on a regular basis coming up in the second hour today.
Israel has launched its deepest Lebanon strikes yet.
This is from the Associated Press.
Israel launched
It's deepest ground strike into Lebanon on Wednesday, claiming it killed 10 Hezbollah guerrillas and captured five in the northeast city of Balabek, if I'm pronouncing that right, while nearby air raids killed at least 15 civilians.
So that means that Israel has ground forces now in the northeast of Lebanon.
Amazing.
And so they're talking about going all the way up to the border of Syria.
Obviously, Syria now yesterday going to its highest alert and saying prepare for battle.
Israeli warplanes attacked a Lebanese army base in the southern part of the country, killing three soldiers, a security official said.
Hezbollah guerrillas hit back, firing at least 150 rockets at towns across northern Israel, killing one person and wounding at least 17 civilians.
Israeli police stated more on this after the break on what the Israelis are doing in the Hezbollah bombardment.
That's puny as usual.
Iran is saying it will not bow to threats in its nuclear standoff.
Ahmadinejad is saying, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vowed last night that Iran will not bow to the language of force and threats a day after the UN Security Council ordered the country to halt sensitive nuclear work.
The big news, a 9-11 panel suspected deception by the Pentagon.
This is from the Washington Post.
Allegations brought to Inspector General.
They were considering criminal charges for cover-ups.
That grabs your attention, and then you find out what the supposed sensitive info in the cover-up is, and it's that the Pentagon and NORAD screwed up on 9-11.
No, they didn't screw up.
And now they've released more of the NORAD tapes.
There were literally hundreds of hours from all the different NORAD bases and FAA bases.
We're good to go.
Well, this is why the conspiracy theorists think the government did it, but now the tapes released show the government didn't do it.
It just shows that they're a bunch of idiots.
And it was easy to predict they would do this as we continued to expose their criminal activities on 9-11.
This is the same government that releases fake cell phone calls that are impossible.
From the supposed hijacked planes.
The same government that releases fake, fat bin Laden videotapes and re-edits old bin Laden videotapes.
The same people that plant fake news in the tune of billions of dollars in our media.
So we'll get into that and play some clips from the News Select.
They released just...
Maybe 15 minutes of tapes of the hundreds of hours of chatter they've got.
They've selectively grabbed NORAD controllers who weren't part of the 9-11 attacks, who are confused, who think it's part of the, quote, exercise.
But there is the discussions of the CIA NORAD exercises hidden in plain view, which do point towards government involvement.
But the media is in overdrive, spinning all of this.
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All right, thank you for joining us.
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In the third hour today, I'm going to play the complete NORAD clips
We're good to go.
...of his professorship to create a chilling effect to set the precedent to fire anyone that goes against the religious dogma of the official 9-11 conspiracy theory.
So the third hour is going to be very important and we'll intersperse those clips with your calls.
There is a huge whitewash going on right now with the federal government releasing very select clips from NORAD.
Remember, there's NORAD bases and FAA bases and communications with NORAD all over the country.
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Letters to the editor.
Okay, so we have a government, and I could go on for hours, listing all the examples of the lies, the propaganda, premeditatedly lying to you.
Well, I've listened to these tapes, and a few of these clips have already actually been released.
Vanity Fair is claiming this is all brand new.
One of the clips is actually in my film, Martial Law.
But now they've released more of the, in total, hundreds of hours.
Because you've got NORAD and FAA discussions going on for three hours totaled.
During the attacks and in the aftermath, and again, hundreds of different installations.
So it's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours.
And so they take a few clips from real installations that are confused, that don't know what's going on, that think it's, quote, part of the CIA drills, part of the NORAD drills, and who are confused.
And then they announce the headline, Oh, people covered up at the Pentagon.
NORAD covered up how they screwed up.
We're considering criminal charges.
And now they'll probably at least discuss or maybe even haul up a few low-level NORAD controllers who were compartmentalized and didn't know this was being orchestrated from the bowels of the private slash corporate government intelligence agencies.
This just happens over and over again.
It's like the Abu Ghraib torture and the torture going on in all those other camps in Iraq.
Every wing where the torture was going on, regular military officers weren't allowed in those areas.
Private contractors and CIA slash Mossad controllers, this is all admitted now, would control military police who had been specifically hired out of U.S.
prisons who'd been fired for torturing, raping, and abusing.
That's mainstream news.
Washington Post, you name it.
We're good to go.
So, they'll try to burn some innocent NORAD employees and some innocent military people.
They'll try to... It's just so sick.
And then, oh, yeah, no wonder the conspiracy theorists thought it was an inside job.
Because NORAD screwed up so bad.
Vanity Fair and the Washington Post are saying, this explains... The public can't believe it took hours and hours to get planes up, but now this explains it all.
Oh, now we understand.
Now it's all explained.
And they even say in one of these articles that this is being released for the conspiracy theorists because we're gaining so much ground.
Lee Hamilton is in a major newspaper newswire yesterday, one of the chairmen of the 9-11 Whitewash Commission, saying that he's surprised that so many people think it's an inside job and that it is spreading and that
And that there's all-time mistrust of the government, and they've got a real problem.
You bet you do.
You bet you've got a real problem, buddy.
All right, so that's all coming up.
In the third hour, I will play all of the FAA tapes they've released.
We have links to them up on...
Can you guys feed that to me so I can hear it, please?
Stop there.
Stop.
Stop right now.
Let's start over because I need to add this to begin with.
I need to add something here at the start to begin with.
You notice here that, what is it, three separate times, just in the first few minutes, they keep saying, is this part of an exercise?
Is this real world?
Is this the exercise?
Is this real?
And then all throughout this, it takes them a long time to figure out because the CIA, through the Pentagon Protective Service, was running a drill of hijacked jets flying into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, CIA headquarters, White House, and Capitol Hill.
Now imagine, the biggest war game of its type ever, at that exact same time that morning,
Same thing in Oklahoma City.
BATF is running a drill of the building being bombed as it happens.
Police and FBI on record.
That is in major newspapers, LA Times, Daily Oklahoma.
It's in my films.
Running drills at the exact same time the Alfred P. Murrow building is bombed on April 19th at 9.01 a.m.
in 1995, 11 years ago.
Now...
We expand from there.
We have advisor consultants with the former head of Scotland Yard that heads it up, Peter Power, being hired to run drills.
Being hired to run drills at the exact same train stations at the exact same time that they were bombed.
Now we did a mathematical equation on that with one of our people that we work with who
It does actuaries for insurance companies, and it is multiple Trecher Gillians.
What is it?
43-something Trecher Gillian.
Trecher Gillian, ladies and gentlemen, has 43 zeros.
It's totally impossible.
And then on 9-11, of course, this happened, and this happened.
So in the Bali bombing, the military forces were doing, quote, drills, and now it's come out in Australian papers that the government supplied the bombs.
It's the same story every single time.
Madrid bombing, same thing, running anti-terror drills at the time that the trains get blown up.
It's always drills because that's the cover.
We're good to go.
We're good to go.
They arrested them, and Putin ordered their release as vice president and said it was just a drill.
It's always a drill!
So let's go ahead and play the first three minutes.
Here it is.
What?
What was that?
Cool.
Cool.
We're good to go.
We're good to go.
Is he inbound to JFK?
We don't know.
You don't know where he is at all?
He's being hijacked.
The pilot's having a hard time talking to the... I mean, we don't know.
We don't know where he's going.
He's heading towards Kennedy.
Like I said, he's like 35 miles north of Kennedy now at 367 knots.
No idea where he's going.
If you could please give us a call and let us know any information, that would be great.
Okay.
Right now, I guess we're
We'll call you right back.
There's going to be no more info.
Thank you.
Okay.
I've never seen so much real world stuff happen during an exercise.
MCC, I don't know where I'm scrambling these guys to.
I need a direction, a destination.
Okay, I'm going to give you a Z point.
It's just north of New York City.
I got this lat long 41-15-74-36, or 73-46.
Head them in that direction.
Copy that.
Hi, sir.
Okay, what we're doing, we're trying to locate this guy.
We can't find him via IFF.
What we're going to do, we're going to hit up every track within a 25 mile radius of the Z point that we put on the scope.
29,000 heading 190.
We're just going to do, we're going to try to find this guy.
They can't find him.
There's been supposedly just threats in the cockpit.
So we're just, we're doing the thing.
Hi.
We'll come back.
Now did you hear that?
Did you hear one of the controllers say, I've never seen so much real world during an exercise?
That's because during these classified exercises, they have actual government operatives on board planes who go through the motions of hijacking the aircraft.
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Over and over again on these tapes the government released to Vanity Fair their little buddy in the last few weeks.
They say, is this real world or part of the exercise?
Is this the exercise?
Is this the exercise?
And I have another FAA tape where they're saying, is this part of the exercise?
No, this is real world.
And
Dick Cheney, the entire time, was in control of those exercises, and he'd taken the power June 1st, a few months before 9-11, away.
Excuse me, June 3rd.
He had taken the power away for the first time since NORAD was set up in 1957 from the generals, from the admirals, from the colonels, so they couldn't shoot down planes.
And so now they've gotten a few clips of a few NORAD controllers, and they're all over the country, and a few FAA controllers having conversations
We're good to go.
But they know the general public isn't going to research this in depth enough.
They know the general public now knows that something's wrong with the official story.
So what do they do?
They just, oh, there was a major cover-up.
We considered criminal charges, but we didn't charge anybody at NORAD or the FAA for covering up how they screwed up.
So let's play from the middle of that first clip again where one of the NORAD controllers is there talking about, I've never seen so much real world during an exercise.
Like, I can't believe there's all these real hijacked planes and we're running an exercise of this same thing happening.
Go ahead and roll it.
I've never seen so much real world stuff happen during an exercise.
Can you play that one more time for us?
MCC, I don't know where I'm scrambling these guys to.
Stuff happened during an exercise at... Again, this, I can't believe this... Yeah, play it again.
I've never seen so much real world stuff happen during an exercise at...
And we're going to play everything they've released in the third hour.
I don't know where I'm scrambling these guys to.
I need a direction, a destination.
Okay, I'm going to give you a Z point.
It's just north of New York City.
I got this lat long 41-15-74-36, or 73-46.
Head them in that direction.
Copy that.
Unbelievable.
Hi, sir.
Okay, what we're doing, we're trying to locate this guy.
We can't find him via IFF.
What we're going to do, we're going to hit up every track within a 25-mile radius of the Z point that we put on the scope.
29,000 heading 190.
We're just going to do, we're going to try to find this guy.
They can't find him.
There's been, there's threats in the cockpit.
So we're just, we're doing the thing.
That's true.
And probably right now, with what's going on in the cockpit, they're probably really crazy, so that will simmer down and we'll probably get some better information.
Folks, inside of these passenger jetliners, inside the mechanical guts,
We're good to go.
And then, why couldn't they continue to track the planes from the time their transponders went off?
Because there were, in some cases, over 45 other blips superimposed on their screens as part of the exercise.
Decoys everywhere.
So I will repeat.
When Russian FSB was caught planting bombs in a fourth building, they were going to blow up.
They'd blown up three.
Members of FSB have now gone public, and high-level government officials have gone public, that Putin, to win the presidency and to have a police state crackdown, was blowing up buildings all over Russia.
When they were caught by Moscow police planting the bombs, they said it was part of an exercise.
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And then hidden in plain view...
They're talking about these exercises.
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Coming up in a few minutes, I'm going to get into 9-11 panel suspected deception by Pentagon.
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They considered criminal charges.
And Vanity Fair is putting out the same whitewash.
You see, the government knows they've lost all credibility.
And they also know that people inside the government who weren't part of the attacks, but now are very suspicious because of what they witnessed that day at NORAD, with the drills of the exact same targets being hit at the exact same time, they have to put something out that will sound like they're in trouble, sound like they've been caught in something.
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9-1-1 panel suspected deception by Pentagon.
Some staff members and commissioners of the September 11th panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it...
...reached and reacted to the 2001 terror attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public, rather than a reflection on the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.
Excuse me, I've got something stuck in my throat.
Let me read that again.
911 panel suspected deception by Pentagon...
Allegations brought to Inspector General.
Some staff members and commissioners of the September 11th panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terror attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public, rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.
And then you read into the article, and it's really a mountain out of a molehill.
They're debating nothing.
They're saying, oh, the Pentagon covered up how screwed up their response was and how badly coordinated because they were embarrassed and because they didn't want to be shown as a bunch of imbeciles.
When that's not what happened.
The Pentagon was told, with NORAD, to carry out the biggest hijacking drill in world history before that time and after that time on the morning of September 11th.
In the two weeks before 9-11, they were having multiple drills every day, not just the drills that day.
In the year before the event, they were having drills every month.
And so they were constantly hearing about hijacked jets, constantly hearing about
How to respond.
Constantly doing these war games.
Constantly seeing the Pentagon and the World Trade Center and the CIA and the FBI headquarters and the White House and Capitol Hill and the Sears Tower and the insurance building there in San Francisco.
The Travelers Building.
On and on and on.
There were targets in Canada.
All of this happening
And then you had Able Danger programs, anti-terror training ops, where there were real-life military intelligence officers for months before going on board planes, seeing if they could sneak box cutters on, seeing if they could sneak fake bombs on.
You remember hearing about this.
Seeing if stewardesses, flight attendants would notice.
Well, that's what happened on 9-11.
We've got these supposed hijackers, the few who were actually on there, whose names really did appear, and who we know supposedly were at least seen at the airports.
Most of them have been found to still be alive.
And the few, the 10 or 12, depending on which article you look at, who were actually at least around the airport.
We know that.
No video of them boarding.
We know they were trained in secret espionage slash spy slash coding slash flight lessons at U.S.
military bases.
I mean, they're being run through full spy training.
They're being protected.
Their embassies, when they leave the country to go to Al-Qaeda summits in Malaysia, embassy heads don't want to let them back in.
CIA calls and says, National Security, these are our operatives posing as terrorists.
The terror data you see in the computers is simply their cover.
And then people who we know are U.S.
government agents.
Do you understand that?
We know their agents.
I think this is one of the key issues.
We know their agents.
Embassy heads, deans of defense language schools, officers at Pensacola.
FBI agents are going, hey, we were surveilling them, had informants living with them, and we're told to back off over and over again.
Because, again, other areas of intelligence and security pick up on these people and go, hey, we've got terrorists.
Because they're out openly creating a history, a ledger, for later public consumption.
The supposed terrorists, the decoys, believe they're testing the establishment, actually testing the FBI, testing defense intelligence.
Do you understand?
They do this routinely.
So they don't understand what's happening.
This is departmentalization.
Every time the FBI is about to pounce and arrest them, they're told, back off, back off, back off.
Then, for later plausible deniability, they have a few mentally ill people
Low-grade moron real terrorists who've been recruited by the government who don't know they're being handled by Arabic-speaking U.S.
government agents to carry out terror.
The people doing that think they're running a sting operation, and then all it takes is a small group that actually hijacked those jets by remote control and flew them into those buildings.
Now, there it is laid out how it happened.
And then even in this new whitewash they released that, oh, we screwed up, you caught us red-handed.
Yeah, we covered up, but it isn't what you thought.
We're not involved in the attacks.
We're just big idiots.
And we tried to cover that up.
You caught us.
Hoping we'll buy into that.
And then even in the tapes they do release, the hundreds of hours they've got, they decide to release these tapes that kind of
In some ways back up their story, but even in those tapes, it's the controllers at NORAD going, I've never seen so much real world during the exercise.
Is this the exercise?
Is this part of the exercise?
No, this isn't part of the exercise, but exercise.
But there's blips all over the screen.
There's an exercise going on.
What?
We'll be right back, and I'll get into some of the Vanity Fair article, and we've got a guest coming on.
We'll shift gears to the Middle East.
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And he's been in Palestine recently, will be joining us.
We'll get into what Israel's doing right now.
Moving ground forces into the north of Lebanon, bombarding with their artillery now, the north of Lebanon, with a ground attack.
This is a huge escalation.
We'll be getting into that.
But again, you read this Washington Post article about suspected deception by Pentagon, and it's totally hollow.
Meanwhile, there's a huge article out from Vanity Fair today.
9-1-1 lie.
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Could it have shot down Flight 93, as conspiracy theorists claim?
Obtaining 30 hours of never-before-released tapes from the control room of NORAD's northeast headquarters, the author reconstructs the chaotic military history of that day and the Pentagon's apparent attempt to cover it up.
Now, again, this is written like it's a big expose.
The government has hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of NORAD and FAA tapes because, again, there are dozens and dozens and dozens of different flight centers communicating with each other.
Over three hours apiece.
That comes out to hundreds of hours.
They admit they have hundreds of hours.
They release 30 hours to Vanity Fair, and Vanity Fair releases, I don't know, what is this, less than 20 minutes of it.
But buried in there, they're talking about the drills, and I've never seen, quote, so much real world during an exercise.
So this is written like it's an expose, but really it...
It attempts to destroy the idea that the government was involved in the attacks, but you know where you're looking.
If you know where you're looking, it does the complete opposite and affirms that there's hijackers on the plains and all of this is going on.
It's like the Pentagon releasing to Judicial Watch, and Judicial Watch comes out and says, oh, we're releasing this to destroy the myth
That a large passenger plane didn't hit the Pentagon.
And then they show the tape, and it's two more views from the same parking lot just a few yards away, because they have like four or five lanes, I guess, going in and going out.
So it's each little spot as you drive through the gates there.
As you drive through, it takes pictures of your car for security purposes.
I think?
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They don't want us to focus on bombs in the buildings and thermite and thermite.
They don't want us to focus on the supposed hijackers being U.S.
government agents.
They don't want us to focus on the CIA and NORAD running drills of hijacked jets hitting the exact same targets.
They don't want us to focus on bin Laden being an owned CIA asset or seven to nine of the hijackers still being alive, BBC.
They don't want us to focus on the U.S.
troops already massed in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.
They don't want you to focus on any of that.
They don't want you to focus on the history of government-sponsored terror.
Our own government has carried out terror attacks and admitted it against foreign countries and our own country to blame it on their enemies time and time again.
Now, I'm not criticizing anyone who is talking about the Pentagon.
We've talked about it.
I just have simply said, why is it the lion's share of the focus, and why does the media choose to predominantly focus on it?
We've covered it.
That is suspicious.
That's all I'm saying.
All right, we'll start the second hour with Ralph Shulman here in a moment.
We'll get him on the horn and look at what's happening in the Middle East, which could lead to World War III.
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Ralph Shulman is an author, lecturer.
He was in the jungles, I'm told, with Che Guevara.
He's lived in Palestinian refugee camps.
He's a Jewish American.
He's written The History of Zionism, 1988, The Hidden History of Zionism, way back when really nobody was even talking about it.
I guess we'll talk to him about what brand of particular Zionism he's discussing.
There's really no way to go over his entire bio.
And he, of course, worked with Bertrand Russell and Edith Russell.
There's really no way to go over his entire bio.
I obviously do not agree with his...
His political solutions or his political bent extreme leftists.
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I know that the big banks created communism, but his experiences and the things he's seen and the ideas he has, a lot of them are extremely valid, and so he's here to share those experiences with us, and I've known him to be a truthful and honest person in the information he relays to you.
So we're honored to have him with us today.
Ralph Shulman, thank you for coming on.
Yes, thanks, Alex.
I think we should skip the question of extremism.
You and I are both labeled with that.
That's the way to dismiss ideas without having to consider them.
Yeah, I'm not dismissing your ideas, sir, and I appreciate your courage, the places and things you've seen and done.
I totally reject the paradigm that we're even given, and I know that you were into some of that more leftward stuff back in the 60s.
You've kind of expanded on from that point, but...
Just because it's so interesting and it speaks to your credibility just as a historical lens or window, tell us about some of the experiences of your life first so we know who Ralph Shoman is.
Well, I mean, with reference to the question of Palestine, we've been involved for a very long time in building a movement in opposition to the colonization of Palestine.
And as you indicated, Alex, the Zionist movement is a colonial settler movement.
From its inception, the intention was to remove the indigenous population.
What distinguishes Zionism from the normal or usual colonial project in Africa, Asia, or Latin America was that this was not just about that 1% of the population that owns 95% of the national wealth in the United States seeking to seize the resources of subject peoples or to create slave labor conditions to exploit their labor.
This had a different dimension.
The Zionist project was about replacing the indigenous labor force.
The mantra under which Zionist colonization was launched was a land without a people for people without a land.
Pretending that no one lived in Palestine and projecting on behalf of its imperial sponsors, because we have to remember that the Zionist movement began in the late 19th century amongst middle class, in fact upper middle class,
Jews who had despaired of struggling against the repressive and reactionary and exploitative regimes of the time that were deeply anti-Semitic and persecutory, not only of Jews, but in particular of Jews.
And these Zionists sought to gain the support of the Tsar and of Russian imperialism and of French and British and American imperialism, German imperialism, to create an outpost for those imperial powers
And they got the support from England.
They got it from all of them, and they certainly got it from England, but the primary sponsor was the United States, because it was the United States that, with Stalin...
Actually, organize the partitioning of Palestine over the heads of the Palestinian people.
Now, in 1947, when the UN partitioned Palestine... Stay there, Ralph, because I particularly asked you to go over some of your background first.
When we get back, can we start over there?
Sure, no problem.
I really want to do that.
Folks, I try to bring you different perspectives, different views, different ideas, and Ralph has witnessed quite a lot of his long life, and this should be quite informative.
Stay with us.
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Ralph Shulman is a Jewish-American, author, lecturer, traveled the world...
In the last, really, 45, 50 years, he's witnessed many of the great upheavals.
He knew Malcolm X. He knew Che Guevara.
He also headed up one of the international organizations that exposed the Kennedy assassination as an inside job carried out by our own government.
Well, before we get into Palestine and living there in the refugee camps and the history of what Israel really is and who controls it,
Tell us a little bit about yourself first.
I want to go back over some of your life experiences, please.
Well, sure, Alex.
I suppose, you know, when I was in Great Britain, I was the executive director of the Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation.
And we were involved in negotiations, direct to my own experience, with about 40 heads of state on a variety of questions.
I was secretary general of the International Tribunal on U.S.
war crimes in Indochina.
I was director of the Vietnam Solidarity Campaign at the time.
It had 60 member organizations.
And we were also very much involved in arranging the release and negotiating the release of political prisoners in over 40 countries over that time frame.
Any of the struggles that involve the oppressed and their resistance to colonial and imperial occupation and exploitation...
The struggles in which we were engaged over these decades, as you mentioned.
With reference to the question of Palestine, I think it's important for us to understand that at the time that the United Nations partitioned Palestine over the heads of the Palestinian people, through the promotion of this project by Harry Truman in conjunction with Joseph Stalin,
The Jewish Agency presented a map of what it called the Land of Israel to the Special Committee of the United Nations for the Partitioning of Palestine.
That map was based on the Diaries of Theodor Herzl, Volume 2, in 1902.
And the map which projected what was the Land of Israel included all of Palestine, all of Jordan,
One third of Arabia, Egypt up to the Nile, including Cairo, one third of Syria, two thirds of Iraq, the southern tier of Turkey and Kuwait, Eretz Israel.
This project was implemented almost immediately, even before the state itself was formed in May of 1948.
The series of massacres that were unfolded in villages and towns across Palestine
We're good to go.
They now had control over 475 Palestinian towns and villages.
They reduced to rubble.
They wiped them off the map.
Mr. Sherman, let's stop right there for just a moment if we can.
We're good to go.
We're good to go.
I think?
This is madness.
I mean, you're a Jewish American yourself.
Most Jews that I know are totally against what's happening.
But if that's the case then, how is Israel able to continue in the things that they're doing, the genocidal activities that Americans aren't even aware of?
Well, Alex, you hit the nail on the head here.
First of all, of course, I mean, yes, my parents were Hungarian Jews.
I have no religious convictions myself.
In fact, they were... You're a Holocaust survivor, aren't you?
70 members of my family were exterminated.
No, no.
But the irony of that, Alex, is that the Zionist movement were the active collaborators with the Nazis.
No, we have the official publications they wrote, big magazines and letters.
They really liked Hitler, yeah.
They supported all of the reactionary anti-Semitic regimes.
They colluded with them in ridding Europe of its Jews because they had in mind a colonial project in Palestine, although they actively resisted and opposed and sabotaged any attempts for persecuted Jews to escape Europe to the United States or Canada or Great Britain or Australia.
They were totally collusive in preventing that.
But that's a large question that I'd certainly like to address.
It's addressed in my book, The Hidden History of Zionism, and in other books that I've written together with Maya, Sean, my wife.
Alex, I'd like to mention that we're actually holding a meeting for your listeners in Northern California in Berkeley on August 17th at 7 p.m.,
...called Apocalypse Now!
The US and Israeli Master Plan for the Middle East, which will take place at the Unitarian Universalist Fellowship Hall.
There's another event here in Austin tonight at the Universalist Church.
They're going to be showing my film, Martial Law.
Now, Ralph, I interrupted you.
I want to go back now, because I really have studied the history of this.
The Arabs, the Palestinians, were extremely peaceful.
Palestine was one of the more peaceful and productive states.
Areas over there, there were Jews living there.
They got along extremely well with the Palestinians.
And contrary to popular belief, Muslims actually revere Jews and obviously think that the first big prophet is Abraham and then Moses.
And that's why you always hear the Arabs say, the Zionists, the Zionists, the Zionists.
And so, really, again, what we've seen the Labor Zionists and the Likudniks now do in Palestine has actually turned the Arab world against Jews.
And I also found the documents, and it's admitted, that our government went in at the end of World War II and actually found the more Wahhabi-ist, radical Muslim sects to try to put them in power to actually put military heat on the Jews to keep a military government in control of Israel so that they could continue to fight and then have the pretext to expand Israel.
Is that a...
Accurate analysis.
Look, the Jews in Palestine who were indigenous were wholly integrated within Palestinian society as they were throughout the Arab East.
In fact, if you meet a Jew from Yemen or North Africa or from Iraq, you're talking to an Arab who happens to have Jewish religious convictions.
He looks like Amal Abdel Nasser.
He has the wedding customs and the mores and the eating habits and the dress and the manner of any other Arab.
He just happens to be an Arab who is a Jew as opposed to a Christian or a Muslim.
Let me tell you this, Alex.
The head of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, George Habash, was a Christian.
The head of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Nayef Hawatni, was a Seventh-day Adventist.
One of the principal representatives of the PLO in Paris, Ilan Halave, was an Oriental Jew.
Maya and myself have lived in the Palestinian camps, worked with the executive committee of the PLO.
We lived throughout the Palestinian camps in Lebanon during the siege and occupation of 1982.
The Palestinians could care less about who's a Jew, who's a Muslim, who's a Christian.
The city of Ramallah in the West Bank is almost entirely a Christian city.
I know, but Americans believe that all Arabs have giant 15-foot daggers and will literally cut all Christians' heads off and suck their blood out.
I mean, they think Arabs want to kill everyone and make everyone convert to Islam, and that is a total lie unless you're talking about the Sudan.
Well, it's not even in the Sudan.
I mean, you're talking here essentially about the notion of untermensch, you know, interior peoples.
It's part of the colonial and imperial ideology.
But let's be clear about this.
The colonization of Palestine was a project to remove the indigenous population through massacre.
Let me give you, I mean, we've been now reporting, all of us, about the massacre that has just unfolded in Kana.
In Lebanon, in which the village of Cana was destroyed and the hundreds of civilians were literally butchered in that city.
Do you know that that occurred on the 10th anniversary of the same event occurring in 1996?
Yes, I did.
I know that the Israelis like to do it on certain dates to publicly be able to take credit for it, while at the same time denying it.
You know, Maya and I, in 1982, here's an irony for you, Alex.
The
The invasion of Lebanon in 1982 proceeded under the rubric of Peace in the Galilee.
Now, the inhabitants of the Galilee, the real Galileans, had been driven out of the Galilee by the Zionists in 47 and 48 through massacre.
The survivors had regrouped in the refugee camp called Einar Helwe, which means Sweet Spring on the outskirts of Saida.
There are about 100,000 of the Palestinians from the northern Galilean areas of Palestine who were driven out in 1947 and 1948.
In 1982, the Zionists took Ayn al-Halaway as a grid.
They divided it into quadrants.
They bombed it, saturation bombing, 10 days and 10 nights.
Then they shelled it from the sea and from the mountains for 10 days and 10 nights.
They reduced it to rubble, then they brought in the bulldozers.
We were there.
The bulldozers not only closed off the shelters where people were seeking refuge from the bombs, but they buried these people alive.
The mass graves in I Know Hellway were such that the bodies formed rivulets of body fluids.
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The Yishuv Rabbinical Council, during time of war, enemy has no innocence.
And this is out of the Ynet News, a big Israeli publication over there.
It says the Yishuv, I'm pronouncing that right, Rabbinical Council announced its response to an IDF attack
...on the village according to Jewish law during a time of battle and war.
There is no such term as innocence of the enemy.
All of the discussion on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us the blood of our soldiers and civilians.
The statement said...
Ralph Shoman?
I mean, I've got a bunch of Israeli newspapers saying similar things, just saying, look, we're allowed to kill everybody, and we're going to.
But then in our news, we hear that Israel lovingly doesn't want to target any civilians, and it's all an accident when they shoot rockets right through the Red Cross symbols on the vehicles.
I mean, what's going on?
Well, let me quote to you from the Labor-Histajew General Federation of Workers publication, Davar,
Describing the process through which the Israeli state was created.
Quote, this is about the massacre in Duayma, and there were massacres in every village and town across suffering Palestine.
Quote, they killed between 80 to 100 Palestinian men, women, and children.
To kill the children, they fractured their heads with sticks.
There was not one home without corpses.
The men and women of the villages were pushed into houses without food or water.
Then the saboteurs came to dynamite them.
Commanders ordered soldiers to bring women into the buildings they were about to blow up.
They prided themselves on raping the Arab women before shooting them to death.
An Arab woman with her newborn baby was made to clean the place for a couple of days, and then they shot her and the baby.
Educated and well-mannered commanders who were considered good guys became base murderers, and this not in the storm of battle, but as a method of expulsion and extermination.
The fewer the Arabs who remain, the better, unquote.
That's the process through which all of Palestine was colonized.
But this isn't you, Ralph Shulman.
Major pro-war Israeli papers are saying, don't listen to Americans and don't listen to Christians and others that say we shouldn't kill everybody.
We're allowed to.
And then, I mean, how do the Israelis...
Expect the Arabs not to want to fight them with their tinker toy weapons.
Well, if anybody would resist the occupation and destruction of their entire population, let me quote to you from Raphael Aitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Armed Forces.
We declare openly that the Palestinians have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel.
Force is all they do or ever will understand, and we shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.
And here is his statement before the Knesset's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.
When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do is scurry around like drug roaches in a bottle.
David Ben-Gurion was the so-called George Washington or founder of the Israeli state.
Here he is writing to his son in 1938.
A partial Jewish state is only the beginning.
We cannot be prevented from occupying other parts of the country and the regions.
We're good to go.
The state is only a stage in the realization of Zionism, and its task is to prepare the ground for our expansion.
The state will preserve order not by preaching, but with machine guns.
Here he is in May 1948.
Prepare to go over to the offensive.
These are his directives to the general staff.
Smash Lebanon, Transjordan, and Syria.
The weak point is Lebanon, for the Muslim regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine.
We shall establish a Christian state there and smash the Arab legions, eliminate Transjordan, Syria will fall to us.
We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria, and Sinai.
Meanwhile, Ralph Shulman, our mainstream media says...
The crazy Arabs and Palestinians claim Israel wants the whole region.
They're nutty conspiracy theorists.
Then I read mainstream Israeli papers, and they're openly saying that all of this is the aim.
Do you think Syria is stupid enough to launch a counterattack on Israel?
What do you think Israel is going to do in the next few months?
Well, we have to keep clearly in mind, Alex, you and I have been discussing the meeting of 9-11.
The very category of terror,
That was the replacement, the ideological replacement for the so-called menace of subversion, the rationale for huge military budgets, $10 trillion over 40 years, more than the combined value of everything produced in this society.
That's what the operations in the Middle East are about.
No, I understand.
They have continual war.
They consolidate all the wealth under the elite's hands.
We'll talk to Ralph Schumann.
We'll get back.
That's what 9-11 is for, Alex.
I know.
We'll get into 9-11, the inside job, and then we'll get into what you personally witnessed when you've been over in the Middle East.
And by the way, we've gotten emails where people are saying they want to kill all Arabs on Earth.
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And one more program note.
C-SPAN, for the fourth time, aired our 9-11 Neocon Symposium Roundtable discussion yesterday.
It got hyped all over the web, all over radio, all over the place, and on C-SPAN, and had a huge effect.
And I want to thank all of you out there that promoted this and got the word out on it.
Millions of people woke up with the four showings on C-SPAN.
Going back to Ralph Shoman, a human rights activist, author, lecturer, he's been all over the world on Frontline seeing this.
And he was getting into the massacres and refugee camps, but then he jumped into 9-11 being a foundational event for really to expand the global war economy.
Ralph, 9-11 being an inside job.
I met you in Chicago.
You eloquently spoke on this.
Tie it together for us.
2001, I mean, with World Trade Center Uncensored History, which was a seven-hour broadcast on WBAI, and then
9-11 in the capitalist state, 9-11 false flag operation, the smoking guns of 9-11.
Like you, we've been at this non-stop since the event.
But I want to mention one thing to you.
You know, in 1993, and I wrote a piece about it at the time, the World Trade Center was bombed.
Now, at the time of the World Trade Center bombing, it was immediately imputed to Al-Qaeda-like figures and Osama bin Laden.
In fact...
This was an FBI operation.
Emad Ali Salem, an FBI operative and a high-ranking Egyptian intelligence officer, was sent in by the FBI office in New York into the mosque of the blind Egyptian sheikh, Sheikh Omar Abdur Rahman, both in New Jersey and in Brooklyn.
He wore a wire through all these meetings.
He recruited young kids to come to meetings to discuss what was happening in Egypt, the oppression in Egypt.
And he had these kids on a need-to-know basis.
He arranged the safe house.
He arranged the dynamite.
It's the same thing in Miami.
It's the same thing up in Canada.
They always, they create the groups out of young, many times on welfare, mentally retarded young people.
They train them.
They give them the bombs.
They give them the detonators.
Please continue.
The kids didn't even know what they were involved with.
And the woman who actually arranged the rental van and the safe house was Guzi Hadass of the Mossad.
Now, the interesting thing about all of this is that after the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, when Imam Ali Salem was arraigned, he said, well, my FBI controllers told me that they'd give me dynamite that wouldn't detonate.
That's in Ralph Blumenthal's piece in the New York Times, in the L.A.
Times, in the Village Voice.
This is nothing arcane.
This was a false flag operation from day one, and it was the predicate for the 2001 events.
By the way, that's under Clinton's watch.
It's not one or another.
This is the 1% that controls 90% of the national wealth.
It's systemic.
And to bring this into relation to what's happening in Lebanon, how has this thing been presented, this current onslaught into Lebanon?
It's supposedly based upon, quote-unquote, kidnapping, unquote, of Israeli soldiers, two Israeli soldiers.
Here's an article, July 25th, by Joshua Frank.
Kidnapped in Israel or captured in Lebanon.
Justification for Israel's invasion on thin ice.
He says the original story, as the media tells it, goes something like this.
Hezbollah attacked an Israeli border patrol station, killing six and taking two soldiers hostage.
The incident happened inside Israeli territory.
Here is the Agence France-Presse.
Lebanese police forces confirmed that two Israeli soldiers were captured in the southern Lebanon in the area of Aita al-Shaab,
When an Israeli Special Forces unit had attacked the area.
Here's the French news site, www.voltaire.net.org.
Well, let me just stop you, Ralph.
You may not be aware of this.
UPI, AP, there's got to be ten news wires.
All actually did report that they were part of the Special Forces units over the border.
So that's not debatable.
I was leading up to Associated Press, Hindustan Times, WSNBC, and CNN.
National Council of Arab Americans based in Lebanon.
First-hand reports.
There's absolutely no ambiguity about this.
Well, this goes back to Bush's White House memo where he tells Blair we can fly a plane low, paint it up like UN to get it shot down.
I mean, they do this.
They send troops out as bait.
Now, here's the San Francisco Chronicle on July 21st.
Israel set war plan a year ago.
Of all Israel's wars since 1948, this is the one for which Israel is most prepared, said Gerald Steinberg, professor of political science at Bar-Ilon University.
We've covered that ad nauseum, Ralph, and I'm glad you're bringing it up.
The point here is, Israel is a war economy, just
We are, and we've got to have wars.
So what is the goal?
We know that Bush gave the ultimatum to Iran.
This is the beginning of the war drums.
They're hoping to go ahead and bombard Syria.
The neocons went public a week ago saying our government supports an attack on Syria.
They've tried to claim that the troops were taken to Iran that were captured, so we need to attack Iran.
Similar to the fraud story of a month ago, two months ago, that Iran makes Jews wear yellow stars.
It's like saying Saddam was throwing babies out of incubators.
PR lie.
I mean, we know the government spends $118 million on fake letters to the editor, $1.6 billion in fake newscasts.
We know they're lying to us, so in your educated view, you've been over there, you've been watching this.
I'm trying to find out, what do you think Israel's trying to get out of this latest push?
The latest push is about emptying the population of southern Lebanon, occupying Lebanon once again, and preparing for the dismantling of Syria and Iran ad seriatum.
Look, we published in the Hidden History of Zionism the Oded Yinon Plan of 1979, a strategy for the 1980s which called for the dismantling of each Middle Eastern state into its ethnic and religious components.
And they reiterated that in 1983.
They want to break Iraq into three parts, Syria into two parts, Iran into six parts, and then turn each ethnic group against each other and then have armored military citadels that just simply oversee the ethnic cleansing and extermination.
But that is precisely what 9-11 was brought to facilitate.
Because the U.S.
rulers had designed to deconstruct and tear apart each country in its turn, seize its resources, and it's an expression of the... You know, we're talking about a system in terminal decay here.
Something on the order of $79 trillion...
So they've got to have a war, as Brzezinski said in 1997, to unify us, the slaves, against the, quote, Central Asian barbarians.
And this is the architecture of the fascist state, as you've been documenting, as we've been with our Marshall State, the United States, with testing the waters, military rule in America.
We're good to go.
Manipulation of virus genomes, creating variants for which there is no immune response.
I know.
We have the official documents.
We know they continue to do it.
The PNAC document talks about legitimizing the use of race-specific bioweapons to wipe out certain subsects of the human species.
And that's where the quarantining comes in, and that's where the introduction of the military comes in, and the detention camps.
That's the smoke screen for martial law, and they've now recruited in 13,000 counties pastors and preachers telling them the pandemic's coming, the gun confiscation is coming, the mass roundup is coming.
Oh, it's going to be so wonderful.
And who do you think has all of the ownership of the pharmaceutical companies, the Carlyle Group, and Mr. Rumsfeld, who made a 720%...
Profit just on his stock holdings and Tamiflu is the same old, same old.
9-11 is... They also made money off of the antibiotic, Cipro, the anthrax attack, which they clearly launched.
You know, in the marvelous book, Clouds of Secrecy, by Lester Cole, it documents 40 years of the Pentagon releasing trillions of bacilli
Across the United States, in over 218 civilian sites, as the New York Times confirmed, the subway system of New York, the school systems of Minneapolis and St.
Louis.
Above all, in the Bay Area, in San Francisco, where I live, where there was a tent... But the government isn't a threat, Ralph.
It's those evil Arabs.
So what if Bayer knowingly, on purpose, put HIV and killed over a million people, 200,000 here in the U.S., with hepatitis C?
Maybe those little hemophiliacs need to die.
Maybe they're with Al-Qaeda.
Maybe the black men needed to be given syphilis.
Maybe we needed to radiate the atomic soldiers and children.
Maybe Israel needed to kill 110,000 Jewish children with the ringworm children.
Maybe they're all with Al-Qaeda.
Well, of course, they must be, since Al-Qaeda is a construct of the Central Intelligence Agency.
I think you ordered $6 billion handed over to Osama bin Laden and Gul bin Hekmatyar during operation in Afghanistan.
So what we're really describing here is an assault upon our own populations.
We're good to go.
Remember the woman saying to Bush, I work three jobs.
He said, that's wonderful.
That's uniquely American.
The standard of living is destroyed.
The family is falling apart.
And since you bring all this up, Ralph, I'm going to bring it up.
You know, you talk about Stalin working with the U.S.
and England to set up Israel.
Every time I see communist governments get in control, they murder their population, they enslave, the Rockefellers fly in and own all their factories.
And I'm telling you, every time they use well-meaning leftists to bring it to power, then they kill you guys, and then they set up their banker paradises.
Hey, hey, take China.
Jiang Zemin said...
Chinese capitalism is the greatest form of communism of the day he retired.
That was BBC, and that confused people.
I want you, as an admitted leftist, to answer that question.
The fruits... Now, everything you've said is accurate, historical, documented.
All I do is research this stuff.
You've been there.
You've seen it.
I'm saying you're telling the truth.
Now I'm asking about your solution, because the globalists created the UN, they created the communists, they're in control because they always control both sides.
Now I'm asking you to... I know you've shattered your paradigm.
You're an intelligent person.
Explain to me about the blessed communists.
Well, let's make a distinction from the get-go.
I was talking about Joseph Stalin in 1947.
The Stalin regime, which is the bureaucratic dictatorship over the Soviet Union, is the result of 14 countries invading on 21 fronts after the Bolshevik insurrection, which took 10 lives, and killing over 7 million people and informing a mass famine.
What we're looking at here is the project of capitalist hegemony.
After all, we have about 5% of the population of the world within our national frontiers, and yet that 1% of the population that owns more than 95% of the rest of the population combined has control over 70% of the world's natural resources.
Ralph, what I'm telling you is... Ralph, Ralph, what I'm telling you... Ralph, hold on a minute.
I want to ask you another question.
I want to make a statement here.
It's human nature...
It's Animal Farm.
Anytime you create anything centralized, in five minutes you'll be back to the tyranny you were at.
Every time the communists try to redistribute things, you get a bunch of big fat king rats ruling off people, living in their villas with their racehorses and their 50 mistresses.
I mean, come on!
Hey Alex, look.
All this nonsense about human nature.
99% of the history of the species...
It was a period in which there were no hierarchies and no class dominion, in which there were, in fact, bands of cooperative people.
The class rule that you're describing is about one-tenth of the history of the species over the past century.
But once humans went to agrarian, centralized societies, we saw the rise of the strong men, first through the witch doctors, and then...
What we're talking about, if you want to address the question of socialism, is the democratic ownership of the means of production.
You want a democratic control of the political process, you need a democratic control of the economy as well.
Why do the bankers then fund socialism?
Well, that's what we call a boobamite, if you speak Yiddish.
That's a ludicrous bit of nonsense.
Well, stay there.
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Ralph Shulman is our guest.
And I'm not trying to get off into a big...
We're good to go.
And they're all there, and they use the leftists to go push laws through to grab everybody's private property, the ranches, and they turn around, build luxury hotels, million-dollar houses on it, and the left just charges on ahead of it.
And we've got Armand Hammer, and we've got David Rockefeller with the aluminum plants in Soviet Russia, and our government propping them up.
And it's the same thing with the oligarchs over there right now in Russia.
Every time one gets arrested, it turns out that the Rothschilds really own it.
I mean, Mr. Shulman, you're saying that there aren't corrupt evil communists in these regimes and that there aren't collusion with these big financial interests?
Let's be clear about this.
There's a structure of power in the United States.
It's the ownership of the means of production, the concentration of power in the hands of the commanders of the heights of the economy.
Robert Townsend, who was the president of Avis and American Express, who wrote a book called Up the Organization, described it very well.
He calculated that about 5,000 people command what he called the control, rather, the commanding heights of the U.S.
economy.
That is a structure of power that captures the state and the political process.
The two parties are really one big property party.
Ralph, Ralph, Ralph, Ralph, I agree with you.
I know you agree with me.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Let me address the question that you raised, Alex.
Which is that the movement for democratization of the economy, for popular control over decision-making, is somehow funded by the bankers, which is ridiculous.
The bankers have no relationship to the struggle of oppressed people to remove the dictatorship of capitalism.
Let me counter that and explain what I'm saying.
Here's an example.
The brand of national health care we're going to get
It's where they're going to tax all of us at exorbitant levels and then just give our money to the private institutions.
These private institutions are bigger than governments, as you know.
44 of the 100 biggest economies are corporations.
Big corporations openly lobby for big government to extract our wealth and to then give it to themselves.
And then I hear the left saying, we need big government to counter the corporations.
I don't know what left you're talking about, Alex.
What we're describing, we raise the question of medicine and the national health care program.
It's the insurance companies that have the control over health care in the United States.
Look, there's a very fundamental issue here.
The trillions upon trillions of dollars that are involved in the waste economy of capital exploitation are sufficient to provide
Free education, free housing, free food, birthright like the air we breathe.
We could wipe out every slum in the United States of a mass transit system, a national health care program, universal health care from the cradle to the grave with...
Ralph, you deny that the global corporations actually take control of governments and expand the power of those governments through government power to suck the population dry.
The state is nothing more than the cat's paw.
The state is the instrument for administration.
It's the collective executive committee of the capitalist ruling class.
That's all it is.
But, sir, what I'm telling you is, Ralph, the capitalists, as you describe them, are not free markets.
They're nothing but crime syndicates that have created big government.
Look how big our government is now.
That's all.
The free market economy as you describe it is a quaint historical event of the 18th century.
Power is concentrated in oligopoly and monopoly.
I'll tell you what, five more minutes, five more minutes, Ralph, so we can plug some of your sites and stuff.
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There can be no doubt that in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, the elite, the Ford Foundation, the Carnegie Foundation, and others funded every left-wing group you can imagine.
There's no doubt they pushed for the, quote, social welfare net to get people dependent, to expand their control like we're domesticated animals, pigs in a trough.
And there's no doubt that from the big government they've grown, they've now gotten a mechanism to extract the rest of our wealth and to ensure that we don't own any property or have any way of being independent.
They've broken up the family with their CIA operative Gloria Steinem, with the CIA's money to set up the leftist women's movement.
It's all totally controlled.
And I got off into this.
Ralph Shulman has done a lot of good stuff in his life.
There's a lot of these well-meaning people in this who go out and fight corruption, fight oppression, do all these good things.
And then, Ralph, I think your solution is a bad one in the final equation.
I mean, what is the solution to the murder in Palestine, the corruption here, the fact that our government and the corporate interest will probably release some horrible pandemic on us soon.
They've already done it in the past.
I mean, what's the solution to fight these people?
The mass of our population, particularly the working class, is organizing the trade unions as the wages struggle.
We need our own political instrument.
As the Labor Party slogan says, the bosses have two parties.
We need one of our own.
The control over the population is in the hands of banking and corporate capital.
The state as its instrument is a captured instrument.
What we're seeking to do is to democratize this, to have decisions that affect people's lives under the control of the population.
Bureaucracy and centralization have nothing to do with social ownership, nothing to do with the democratic control over decision-making with respect to the economy.
The United Nations is nothing but a collection of countries with the same class structure as exists within the United States itself.
In each of these respective societies, Alex, you have a ruling oligarchy
Well, let me ask you a question.
Will we be like North Korea and then have the son get the power from his daddy?
Or maybe when the brother gets sick, the little brother takes over?
I mean, look at these dirtbag communist countries!
As the early Jesus has with the medieval church or the Inquisition.
You are taking an example here of...
Because that's what always happens with a complex system, Ralph.
That's what's always going to happen, Ralph.
We're not honeybees.
We're not army ants, bro.
We don't operate off simple pheromones.
Yeah, but who's talking about army ants except people who create ideological propaganda for the ruling class?
No.
That's contempt for ordinary people.
That's disdain for people... No, no, no.
That's the opposite.
I'm saying we're not mindless army ants, and so communism would never work because we're not a communal... Communism, in your mind, Alex, is the model of Stalin.
It has absolutely nothing in common with social ownership of the means of production or the democratic... Well, let me ask you a question, Ralph.
In your dream system...
There's no dream system involved.
Could I own my own 100 acres?
Alex, the question of ownership has to do with popular ownership and control.
Democratic ownership and control.
It's 1% of the population that owns 95% of the national wealth.
Oh, so I'll suddenly get some land.
The issue before us, the 9-11 state...
That which requires the militarization of the state, that which requires martial law, is that handful of rulers who have the need to dominate and control and exploit the mass of the population.
What we're describing and what we ought to be advocating together is democratic control over decision making in the political life and in the economy of the society.
So that decisions as to what is produced are made on the basis of what people need and how people talk.
Ralph, we've got to have you back on sometime to debate this.
I appreciate you coming on with us.
Fire out a website real quick.
Let's have people get in touch with www.takingaim.info.
Yeah.
www.takingaim.info.
And Ralph, thanks for joining us.
We've got links to your site up on InfoWars.
All right, Alex.
Listen, we've got to deal more with the question of what replaces the system in control.
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Coming up in a few minutes, I'm going to start airing the 13 minutes we've got of what Vanity Fair posted of the tapes they got from NORAD.
Well, they're openly talking about, I've never seen this much real world stuff going on during an exercise.
Is this part of the exercise?
Because the Pentagon and the CIA were running the drills of flying hijacked jets into all the targets that got hit and more to confuse everybody.
And now this is all coming out in the media, but with their big spin on it.
I've got to finish up with Ralph Shulman, though.
You know, the guy has done a lot of interesting work.
He's a bleeding heart.
We're good to go.
I mean, all these terms, capitalist, communist, it means nothing.
There's command and control, and there's free market, there's freedom.
I mean, that's the real spectrum.
In fact, if we want to get down to brass tacks, on one end of the spectrum...
You have anarchy, and then on the other end of the spectrum, you have total command and control.
Well, anarchy is impossible in groups larger than five to ten people.
So we want to be in the middle of that spectrum, a constitutional republic with a rule of law that protects the minority, the individual, as well as the majority, and you want a free market.
You want private property ownership, because then that forms millions of little bulwarks
...against centralization.
You want two different branches of the legislative branch with two different groups subdivided into that.
All these different fractures, all these different facets.
Then you have the courts with the state set against the federal.
And then you've got the two different parties who then are appointing people to the courts.
So they're at odds with each other.
Gridlock is good to keep a Napoleon, a Hitler...
...from coming to power, to keep a centralization from taking place to protect the middle class and to allow, for the first time in history, not a perfect system, but the best system we've seen to open things up so that wealth can then be created.
I mean, we have huge populations all over the world.
You judge a tree by its fruit.
How could 4% of the world population have more than half the wealth?
Then the elites took over in the last hundred years, and we have seen that what 4% having half has switched.
The elite then started taking the wealth from that 4%.
That tiny fraction in the U.S.
and England and Europe started taking the wealth from that 4% that had over half the world's wealth.
Until now, the Anglo-American establishment has about 80% of the world's wealth, but almost none of that in the actual aggregate is in the people's hands.
And you cannot explain this to these bleeding heart communists.
You cannot explain that everywhere there's oppression and stuff going on, they'd send the communists.
They'd send the bleeding hearts.
They'd send the good salesmen who really believed what they were pushing and saying.
That's what evil does.
They have people as fronts who don't even know it.
Close your mic, guys.
Then, hey guys there at the network, will you close your microphone for me?
Thanks a lot.
Sorry, I tried to ignore it, but then the talking started up and I couldn't do anything.
Sorry.
Let me go back now.
So, I'm sorry, I kind of got distracted there.
So this is the point that I'm trying to get at.
Alright, I've really studied this.
I've looked at it.
I've read the communist documents.
I've read the fascist documents.
I've read the founding fathers documents.
I've read the Greek philosophers.
I have really looked at this, and humans are full of avarice, greed, and lust.
Alright?
And all of us don't have all three of those, but most of us got one or more.
Alright?
I mean, I definitely got the lust part going.
I don't know about avarice or greed.
So,
The point I'm trying to get at here is that everything is about building impediments to power, to consolidation, so you can then build your own little castle.
And he wouldn't answer that question, folks.
We've got family property that we've developed, that we've used, that has supported families for generations, I guess eight generations now.
That would all be gone.
And you'd have a bunch of little greedy people who'd never built anything in their lives, a bunch of couch potatoes, running at the head of one of their little commissar controllers.
And the bankers are going to do this.
Don't worry, it's going to happen and it just won't be called communism.
And they'll come and they'll take it, and then our family property will go into the communal nature conservancy or Sierra Club, and they'll build hotels on it where the elite can go enjoy themselves and play five-star golf.
That's how it is in Austin.
It always happens.
And notice he said, well, Stalin wasn't a communist.
Well, Cuba isn't.
Well, North Korea isn't.
That's right.
My point is, that stuff only works with army ants and bees.
Humans are too smart.
Either if people get oppressed in the communist system, the way they fight back in Romania or Russia is you just quit working.
You just lay around.
You're not going to get anything anyways.
You just cannot explain this to people like Ralph Shoman.
And to say it is preposterous, to say that it is preposterous that the global financial oligarchy, the crime syndicate,
Funded fascism.
Funded communism.
Funded every movement of consolidation and big government is, that is a joke.
That is stupid.
Carol Quigley, top Georgetown theoretician for the New World Order for decades, head of the political science department.
His protege was Bill Clinton and many others.
He wrote a book, and he said, I've got it here.
In fact, I did a reprint in my book, Ascent to Tyranny.
He said, of course we fund the communists.
Of course we fund the capitalists.
Of course we fund the fascists.
We fund and control everything that centralizes so the Anglo-American roundtable groups...
Can control it!
And to think that the British intelligence in the late 1900s wrote the Communist Manifesto and had their British agent
We're good to go.
We're good to go.
We're good to go.
Not the middle class who was in horror of it and said, we're going to get those bourgeoisie.
We're going to get the middle class for you.
We're going to... They've been using you.
And the big bankers came in and they killed tens of millions of people and they kicked the Ukrainians off their farms and they kicked the poor little Chinese peasants off their farms and 60 million Chinese died.
Their government admits they did it.
And they cooked up human beings in giant pots to feed the communist armies
While they did it.
And you look at the fruit China's bore.
New Old Order loves them.
Factories everywhere.
Slave goods.
Totally in bed with them.
All of our missile secrets.
You look at two brothers running Cuba.
You look at a scumbag demon dwarf in North Korea who his daddy gave him power.
And look at America now.
Two cousins.
Members of the same secret fraternity.
Skull and bones.
Run for president.
Out of a pool of 15 people a year, out of 30 million people, this is who we get.
You look at what's happening here in the United States.
You look at how Bush...
His daddy was president.
Now he is.
It's simple.
When you go into a tyrannical system, you start getting hereditary leadership.
And let me tell you, when you see it, you know you're hitting the bottom.
Okay?
You know you're sinking down the toilet bowl into the sewer system.
It's so sick to watch this happen.
And to know that most of the people who get it and know what's going on,
Only get limited view, limited paradigm awareness, and they're never going to figure it out.
They're not going to figure it out.
And for the greater good, you've got to break a few eggs to make an omelet to build their wonderful system that never materializes, that never delivers.
All it delivers is centralization and enslavement and sorrow for the general public and centralization and total power for the elite.
And, of course, in the communist system, you go fool the blue-collar, low-level workers into joining you to go rob the middle class at the behest of the elite.
The elite's always targeting the middle class.
The only place historically you'll get any upward mobility, the only place you'll get true renaissance...
And the area that breaks the monopoly of power, and you see then the globalists then work that middle class and go, look at the lower classes.
They're coming after you.
You better join us, the elite.
So the elite then gets the fealty and the support of the middle class.
While they, meanwhile, are controlling the underclass, who they use as an attack dog to threaten and destroy and consolidate the middle class.
And this is why the New World Order is in power, because they know how to control both sides of the coin.
They know how to control the opposition.
They know how to get the job done, and that's what they're doing.
And that's why, if they have their way, we'll be 10, 15 years from now in urban super-compact cities...
As billions are dying worldwide with super-engineered plagues with only the elite having the antidote and you will be sitting there watching television, watching the hollow scan on the deck of your living room
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You understand?
This elite is going to kill you.
It's official.
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I am going to die.
My entire family is going to die.
Your family, all of you, almost everyone, 9 out of 10 people listening, you are going to be killed by the government in the next 10 to 15 years, maybe sooner.
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Their official 9-11 story is imploding.
Even Lee Hamilton's in a major news publication today saying that, yeah, a lot of people think the government carried out the attack.
Quote, think it's an inside job.
And so they release a few hours compared to the hundreds of hours of tapes they've got.
But even those tapes they released at Vanity Fair that are on Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com right now are filled with little jewels of how they were running drills that day of the exact same targets at the exact same time being hit by planes.
Which, that's all admitted.
But here is NORAD confused by the drills.
Here's a clip we played earlier first and I'll play the parts you haven't heard yet where they're talking about boy, this is the most real world stuff I've ever seen during an exercise.
Here it is.
I've never seen so much real-world stuff happen during an exercise.
All right, now we're going to get into the clips we haven't played, and I'm just going to roll a few minutes of the clips, and then I'll comment, and then we'll play a few more minutes.
Then later, before we end this hour, we'll talk a little bit more about what's happening in Israel and how serious this escalation has gotten, and then we'll take some calls.
But go ahead and go back to the clips they haven't heard yet.
Is there any... What?
The 737?
No, sir.
The what?
Who are you talking to?
Pass it to them.
Oh, my God.
Oh, God.
Oh my God.
We've got to update New York.
See if they lost altitude on that plane altogether.
Yes ma'am, did you just hear the information regarding the World Trade Center?
No.
Being hit by an aircraft.
I'm sorry?
Being hit by an aircraft.
It's on the world news.
Okay, now we do.
This is what I got.
Possible news is 737 just hit the World Trade Center.
This is the real world.
And we're trying to confirm this.
Okay, continue taking the fighters down to the New York City area, JFK area, as best as you can.
Make sure that the FAA clears your route all the way through.
Do what we gotta do, okay?
Yeah, he crashed into the World Trade Center.
That is the aircraft that crashed into the World Trade Center?
Yeah, disregard the tail number.
Disregard the tail number, he did crash into the World Trade Center.
That's what we believe, yes.
Copy that, thank you sir.
No, we're not going to confirm that at this time.
We just got this crashed in.
Is anyone out there tracking primary on this guy still?
No.
We had about 15 miles east of JFK.
8 miles east of JFK was our last primary hit.
It didn't slow down in speed.
Stop it right there for a moment.
Now, they know that these aircraft have been hijacked for an hour, but they decide to not release the tapes up until right around that point.
That's what they're releasing, so we get to hear them talking about launching fighters.
Meanwhile, Cheney is in control of those fighters and not letting them have shoot-down powers.
We know that.
Then it's another, what, 45 minutes from the first plane hitting until the next one, well, the third one hits the Pentagon.
And then we have Norman Mineta's testimony about the aid sitting there saying it's 50 miles out, it's 30 miles out, it's 20 miles out, it's 10 miles out.
Does that order still stand?
Cheney gets mad.
Have you heard any orders to the contrary?
So again, they claim that these tapes show how NORAD screwed up.
NORAD was in the middle of a gigantic drill of the exact same targets getting hit.
That's why they keep saying, is this real world?
This is real world.
Keep rolling.
They had it slowed down below ground to 300 knots.
Okay.
But that was the last thing we had on them.
Okay.
And then we lost them.
Yeah, and then we lost them.
They have a second possible hijack.
Is this the explosion part of it that we're looking at now on TV?
Yes.
The second hijack also at United Airlines.
What are they working on right now?
Two planes.
He was in WICI 105.
Second plane's now hit.
Okay, Foxy.
Plug in.
Okay, Foxy, this is what I foresee that we probably need to do.
We need to talk to FAA.
We need to tell them, if this stuff's going to keep on going, we need to take those fighters and put them over Manhattan.
Okay.
That's the best thing.
That's the best plane right there.
The second plane's hit.
We're almost an hour and a half into the hijackings, and the fighters, which were ten miles away, still aren't there.
Okay?
An hour and a half later.
They're not even over New York yet.
Does the order still stand, Vice President?
Have you heard any orders to the contrary?
We'll be right back.
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All right, let's continue with the tapes.
See, the establishment has hundreds of hours of these tapes.
So they release 30 hours of Vanity Fair, who then releases just 15 minutes or so of the tapes, and they tell you, Oh, the Pentagon people almost got indicted for lying.
They said they didn't screw up.
This proves they dropped the ball and screwed up.
Oh, the conspiracy is exposed.
Because they know they can't come out and continually say they did nothing wrong, so they've got to fall back on, okay, we really screwed up that day.
Continuing with these just-released-today tapes from some of the NORAD chatter.
Go ahead and roll it.
Which we don't know.
Let's get them over Manhattan.
At least we've got some kind of play.
My recommendation, if we have to take anybody out large aircraft, we use AIM-9s in the face.
Alright, stop it right there.
Now the second aircraft has hit the towers.
They're calling it a, quote, big explosion.
They don't know yet that that's happened.
You'll hear them announce it later.
They're talking about a third aircraft headed towards Washington.
And so this goes on for another 45 minutes or so.
I mean, this is just mind-blowing.
And then you heard him talk about if we have to shoot down the aircraft, you know, let's use a certain type of munition, quote, in their face.
But then when they start giving the request, because this isn't in the tapes, but we know this did happen and it's been in the news, that Dick Cheney gave an order.
They won't say what that order is, but clearly that was the stand-down order.
So let's continue rolling the tape.
Okay, American Airlines is still airborne.
11, the first guy, he's heading towards Washington.
Okay, I think we need to scramble Langley right now, and I'm going to take the fighters from Otis and try to chase this guy down if I can find him.
They're probably not squawking anything anyway.
I mean, obviously these guys are in the cockpit.
These guys are smart.
Yeah, they knew exactly what they wanted to do.
Hit pause again.
These guys are smart.
A few months before, as Muhammad Atta was creating as an intelligence operative of this government, his, quote, history as a hijacker.
He believed testing defenses.
Again, they all do it.
The Navy SEALs, the FBI, the BATF.
They all practice getting into embassies, getting into airports, getting into government buildings, getting into sports stadiums.
You hear about it all the time.
They couldn't even get a Cessna off the ground and threw a fit and jumped out of it.
But they are...
Conducting these incredible, just unbelievably amazing maneuvers.
Hitting three out of their four targets, and of course, what if at their fourth, someone wouldn't have followed orders for a stand down.
Somebody didn't follow orders and went ahead and had 93 shot down, which kind of screwed up the official story.
Imagine if that plane would have hit the Capitol as it was meant to.
We'd be in total martial law right now.
Continue rolling the tape.
Have you asked the question what you're going to do if we actually find this guy?
Are we going to shoot him down if they've got passengers on board?
Have they talked about that?
Yes, sir.
We're not going to take him in with the 386.
Okay, once he goes to Baltimore, what are we supposed to do?
Notice that one of the controllers at NORAD is saying, have we asked what we're going to do if we actually catch one of these guys?
You see, you're just hearing some of the side chatter from lower downs from these different NORAD facilities and FAA facilities back and forth all over the country.
They're actually trying to give orders.
They're actually trying to get things done.
But you notice they haven't gotten orders so they can give orders.
So they're saying, has anybody asked what happens if we actually catch these guys?
And this is the best stuff the government can release to try to bolster their official story.
It actually destroys it.
We're good to go.
I think?
They're asking for orders to be able to then give orders in the chain of command to shoot the planes down.
And they're being told, we'll get back to you by that calm voice.
Notice there's some very interesting little military style, very calm voices in all of this.
And then you can tell the good guys by how freaked out they are and how they want to do something.
But there's those nice calm voices just saying, wait, wait, got to get orders from higher up.
Because there were hundreds of generals and hundreds of admirals and hundreds of colonels who had the power to shoot those planes down
Because it was the default position until June 3rd, a couple months before 9-11, for the first time in NORAD's history, an order from the Vice President saying, none of you are allowed to, only I can make that decision.
We have that document in my film, Martial Law.
It's on my website.
Direct link to the Pentagon.
Please continue.
You're very professional.
Okay.
All right, let's get our heads together here.
Okay, let me tell you this.
We were looking.
We also lost American 77.
Okay, 77.
Where was he proposed to head, sir?
Excuse me?
Where was he proposed to head, sir?
Okay, he was going to L.A.
also.
He was also going to L.A.
Now... From where, sir?
I think he was from Boston also.
Boston to L.A.
Now, let me tell you this story here.
Indianapolis Center was working this guy.
What guy?
Okay.
American 77.
At flight level 350.
However, they lost radar with him, they lost contact with him, they lost everything, and they don't have any idea where he is or what happened.
Tetris ID is coming out.
How can I help you?
Hit pause again.
So, according to the timeline, here we are another 20 minutes later.
They know that the aircraft's flying right over Washington, and you heard them saying, scramble fighters, scramble fighters from Laneley that's right there outside Washington, which has a huge intercept squadron right there.
These guys wait in the little ready rooms, in the little shacks out there with the televisions on, with the telephones and the radios, drinking coffee.
24 hours a day, folks.
I know so many pilots who've been in their Cessnas or in their Pipers who have to fly around a big storm here in Texas where there's all these military bases and they're going... It's happened to my dad.
I haven't been in the plane with him when it happened, but he's a small aircraft pilot.
And he's trying to fly around a storm, these storms that pop up in Texas in the summer.
And radios in and says, listen, I can't go around these storms.
There's storms all around me.
And they're like, look, we're sorry.
You've got to land at a smaller airfield or go through the storms because you're not going to fly over Fort Hood or you're not going to fly over the Air Force Base up in Fort Worth.
You're just not going to do it.
And if you do, they launch F-16s and in minutes they're on your tail.
Thousands of these happened in the two years before 9-11.
Remember Payne Stewart?
Okay, copy.
Where was that position?
Six.
Yeah.
Six southwest.
Six southwest of White House deviating away.
Deviating away.
You don't have a type air question.
You don't know who he is.
Nothing.
Nothing.
We're here in Washington, so I have no clue.
Hopefully someone in Washington would have a better information for you.
Okay.
Foxy, I got an aircraft six miles east of the White House.
I came from Boston?
Oh, we're gonna turn and burn and crank it up.
Alright, here we go.
This is what we're gonna do here.
Okay?
We're going direct D.C.
with my guys.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Ma'am, we are going to FBO right now with Quick 2-5.
They're going direct Washington.
Quick 2-5, we're heading off center right now.
Ma'am, we need to have you invited right now.
We've got to contact them on 2346.
Yeah, we just lost track.
Did I get any point on that?
Yeah, we just did too.
Hey, good pause.
Did you hear them talk about putting a fighter up now to counter the Flight 93 over Shanksville, Pennsylvania?
And then they said they're on him, they're on him, we got him, we got him.
They just shot down the aircraft.
And we know the name.
We know the name of the pilot.
From the North Dakota squadron that was based for the drills in Virginia that day, and they talked about putting an AIM-9 up, I'm told by an Army pilot who we're about to bring on, that that is a Sidewinder missile.
Do you have Doug there on the line, guys?
Okay, well, as soon as you get him, I want to give him a brief comment.
This is an Army pilot that Kevin Smith, who works in the office, knows.
He's a retired Army pilot, and he works for an airline.
That's all we're going to say right there.
Doug, we're not going to say much more about who you are, but we know you.
You wanted to comment on some of these tapes we're playing briefly?
Yes, Alex.
I'm fascinated by the discussion, but just as a point of reference and to add some information to the discussion, every airliner, every commercial airplane has a transponder which has selectable codes.
7700 is known as hijackings.
If you select 7700 on your transponder and push the IDENT button immediately on ATC screens, your individual block, which is your primary, your primary will be, it's like two little lines, it'll be filled in in between and that code 7700 will flash.
They will know that that plane is immediately hijacked.
Let me ask you a question.
They knew the planes were hijacked for an hour and 45 minutes.
And then were never able to shoot down one of the first three planes.
I mean, how ridiculous is that to you, or do you think that's normal?
Well, I absolutely can understand or explain that, Alex.
I do know that from the radio conversations, the ATC controllers, they were referring to primary signals or primary blips,
That is strictly the skin paint.
They're picking off the aluminum, the metal on the airplane.
That is not receiving their transponders, so... That's what I said.
I mean, we know they turned them off.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
I don't know.
I understand that.
It's unexplainable to me, Alex.
I don't know how in the world that they would not know that those planes were... Anytime an unidentified aircraft, if you're flying on an IFR flight plan, you have to have positive voice communication with ATC at least every 15 minutes.
And, of course, with the Payne Stewart example and many others, we know that those planes should have been identified as hijacked aircraft.
Well, even if it's not identified, they launch F-16s as soon as you're off course or don't respond.
Exactly, sir.
Yes, sir.
Exactly.
So the default position, as Bob Bowman said, people say that the government did nothing so they screwed up.
No, no, no.
If the government would have done nothing but leave the default position in place, all those aircraft would have been shot down.
They did do something.
They ordered a stand down.
Yes, Alex, that's very unfortunate, but I think that's what many of us are coming to believe.
Well, I mean, you hear the people in NORAD talking to the FAA and others, and they're saying, scramble fighters, scramble fighters, and it doesn't happen.
I know.
I just heard the reference.
It was fascinating, the gentleman talking about, well, let's get those planes over Manhattan right away.
It's just, I mean, there's no excuse that they weren't over Manhattan.
Yeah, that's an hour into it.
Thank you for the call.
I appreciate it.
Call us back tomorrow.
Call us back tomorrow, Doug.
Pardon me?
He didn't hear me.
He's gone.
He was on his cell phone.
Go back to the tape.
Here we go.
Uh, hold on.
Where's Langley at?
Where are the fighters?
Okay.
South of Cleveland.
We have a code on him now.
Good.
Pick it up.
8-9.
Find it.
Boeing 767.
Supposed to go to Vegas.
Another one.
Here's what we can do.
At a minimum, we can keep our guys airborne.
I mean, they don't have any guns or missiles or anything on board.
It's a presence, though.
Did you notice they were
Just talking about how they were then getting some type of identification.
She goes, there's another one!
Again, there were blips all over the screens because of the drills, and drill blips hitting all the same targets.
Can you imagine?
Because the government just so happened to have that exact drill.
I mean, come on.
Keep rolling.
Intercept.
Intercept and divert that aircraft away from there.
Quick 2-5, mission is intercept aircraft over White House.
Use F-A-O for guidance.
Divert the aircraft away from the White House.
Intercept the diverter.
Quick 2-5, I'll copy.
Quick 2-5, divert the aircraft from the White House.
Copy.
Divert the aircraft.
Intercept.
Okay, we got that.
Do you hear that?
Aircraft over to the White House.
What's the warning to Pittsburgh?
Intercept and what else?
Okay.
Aircraft over the White House.
We got a United 93 out here.
Are you aware of that?
United 93?
We've got three more hijacked airborne.
It has a bomb on board.
A bomb on board.
And this is confirmed.
Do you have a Mode 3, sir?
No, we lost this transponder.
Now, again, earlier you clearly hear them say that they've got it.
They've shot down the plane.
So this is a bunch of different clips from different feeds.
We'll come back, try to play a few more minutes.
I'm sorry to all the callers.
I just don't have time to go to your calls.
I apologize to everybody that's holding.
We'll come back, play a few more minutes of this and comment on it.
We're trying to write a big story up on this right now.
We're trying to analyze it all as it comes in.
Just it never ends around here.
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Let's go back to the clips from the NORAD whitewash audio that they're releasing, which itself is incriminating for Inside Job.
Here it is.
United 9-3.
Real quick.
I got a bomb.
United what?
United 9-3.
Negative.
Negative clearance to shoot.
Mode 350.
1527, Brian.
Jamie.
Foxy.
I'm not really worried about code words.
The code words, that's perishable information.
Negative clearance to fire.
ID type tail.
Good pause.
Rewind that a few seconds.
Did you hear him?
Negative, negative authorization on being able to fire at the aircraft.
Okay.
This is unbelievable.
We're going to have to analyze these really close.
Back that up about 20 seconds if you can.
Boy.
I'm going to have to really play these tomorrow on the show again and really take time to analyze and want to do it tonight before tomorrow's live show.
Go ahead and roll it again.
United 93.
Real quick.
I've got a bomb.
Negative clearance to shoot.
1527, Brian.
Foxy?
Jamie?
I'm not really worried about code words.
Code words, that's perishable information.
Negative clearance to fire.
ID type tail.
Okay, hard to see.
Cleared to assist, conscious.
Half-thousand ZR, suspect aircraft.
Stand by.
Stand by.
About 15 miles, conscious.
Conscious copies, 22 miles.
15 miles, conscious.
15 miles, one five.
Alright folks.
We're out of time, and it's just getting to the really amazing part.
Do you hear them twice?
Negative on authorization to fire?
Oh, my gosh.
And then earlier, we heard them talk about a successful shoot-down.
Three other planes hijacked.
There's another blip.
And this is part of the exercise.
Man, there's a lot of real activity for an exercise.
We need somebody to give us authorization to shoot these down!
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