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	Big Brother.
	Mainstream media.
	Government cover-ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	Welcome, my friends.
	It is June 19, 2006, a live Monday edition.
	We're going to be here live for the next three hours.
	I'm Alex Jones, your host.
	I trust you had a good weekend with your families out there.
	Huge broadcast lined up for you today.
	Coming up in the next hour in studio, we're going to have Greg Pallast, and we'll be videotaping it, putting it on the local TV show and on the website for prisonplanet.tv members.
	We're good to go.
	I think?
	And one of them was picked up.
	Another one of them was a witness to this and taken to some type of national security office and interrogated, threatened.
	Reportedly, I was called an insurgent.
	And so we'll give you kind of an inside view on some of the things that were happening.
	Daniel Estelon was pulled over and interrogated himself.
	He, of course, is a Canadian citizen.
	I haven't even ever really talked about that on air.
	We had Daniel on last, what was it, Thursday, and I forgot to even bring that up.
	Lots of secret police activity going on for simply trying to report on 120 of the world's biggest elite meeting.
	It was in the Toronto Star of all places today.
	More about the Bilderberg Group a week and a half late.
	It was also in some of the Portugal papers over the weekend as well.
	Those reports are all on prisonplanet.com and infowars.com right now.
	We're good to go.
	We're good to go.
	I think?
	We're good to go.
	Just like your car, if you park it outside for a few years, it falls apart.
	Well, these Scuds were built, his best Scuds were built in the 60s.
	They'd all fallen apart and they only had about a 400-500 mile range to begin with.
	Well, North Korea has real missiles, real intercontinental ballistics, long-range missiles.
	We're good to go.
	I think?
	But no one seems to be worried about that.
	They're only worried about Iran.
	Will they someday, off over the rainbow, get a A-bomb and kill us all?
	There have been lots of national TV reports and magazine covers about their super EMP bombs that can knock us back to the Stone Age.
	They've got super weapons.
	They've got death rays.
	Oh, save us, world governments.
	So we'll get into that report.
	Also, several mainstream news articles here.
	Lockheed Martin has designed super spy blimps that are many times bigger than the Goodyear blimp to be over every U.S.
	city surveilling us.
	We told you about this years ago, but now they're beginning to go into service.
	One of them has gone into service.
	Giant blimps.
	Huge platforms.
	So we'll get into that report for you.
	And much more after this quick break.
	Huge broadcast.
	Again, Greg Pallas joining us next hour.
	Two eyewitnesses to tyranny in Canada coming up in about 25 minutes.
	Stay with us.
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	The conference is titled 9-11 and the Neocon Agenda.
	I'm happy to announce the conference will feature presentations by incredible speakers like BYU physics professor Stephen Jones, the father of the Star Wars program, Lieutenant Colonel Robert Bowman, former top-level CIA analyst for Reagan and Bush, Ray McGovern, 9-11 hero William Rodriguez, author Webster Tarpley, Professor Jim Fetzer, and many, many others, including special guests.
	I'll also be debuting my explosive new film, Terror Storm, at the conference.
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	He's the T-Rex of political talk.
	Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	Waging war on corruption, crashing the lies and disinformation.
	We're here live Monday through Friday from 11 a.m.
	until 2 p.m.
	Central Standard Time back from 9 to midnight.
	Greg Palast will be joining us.
	BBC reporter, documentary filmmaker, best-selling author.
	Will be joining us in studio in the next hour.
	And in about 22 minutes from now, we're going to be joined by Joe Bird and Don McCormick.
	They were at the Bilderberg Group Conference.
	They're with the press and the demonstrators, the protesters.
	Wait till you hear the story they have to tell of what happened to them.
	How Don McCormick was picked up and brought in and interrogated by national security agents.
	Yelled at, cussed at, threatened, and I was called an insurgent.
	Isn't that just special?
	Just trying to go up there to report on what the globalists are doing.
	The people that are creating the American Union.
	The people that are destroying our sovereignty right now.
	But before I get into the situation with North Korea, let me just cover this first.
	This is from Free Market News Network.
	And government orders spy blimp.
	The government has hired defense subcontractor Lockheed Martin to design and develop an enormous blimp that will be used to spy on Americans.
	We first reported this about five years ago, remember?
	According to the Athens News, government agencies such as the NSA are anticipating that as early as 2009, the blimp will be operational and begin supporting new ways of monitoring everything that happens in this country.
	A prototype of the blimp is already being developed at a cost of $40 million.
	It's already in the sky.
	That was in the news, what, two years ago, that D.C.
	has one flying over it.
	And they also converted the Fuji blimp at the 2004 Olympics in Greece, and then also at the RNC, remember that?
	The spy ship, called the High Altitude Airship, will be 17 times larger than the Goodyear Blimp and hover 12 miles above the Earth.
	Although it is very large, it will be invisible to both the naked eye and ground radar because of its distance from the Earth.
	Yes, it's unmanned up in the high atmosphere, a giant platform.
	Fuel, economic, and self-sufficient, it will be powered by solar energy and will be able to fly for years at a time.
	And, of course, this is really the brainchild of Alexander Haig.
	I remember him 15 years ago.
	I remember learning of it about a decade ago, but documents going back really over 15 years, where he proposed instead of satellites, you can put megablamps up in the high atmosphere, and then they can be solar-powered, because there's masses of sun up there, and be used for telecommunications, you name it.
	And as usual, the government watch will deploy these, and then large sections of it will be ceded and given to large corporations like AT&T and others.
	They do that time and time again.
	It goes on, although it will be very large, it will be invisible to both the naked eye and ground radar because of its distance from Earth, fuel...
	Economic and self-sufficient.
	It will be powered by solar energy and will be able to fly for years at a time.
	The U.S.
	Army Space and Missile Defense Command have already conducted a study to determine some of the uses of the airship.
	The spy ship.
	It has the capability of monitoring an area 600 miles in diameter at a time with surveillance equipment such as high-resolution cameras.
	The government has ordered 11 of them, enough to monitor every parcel of land in the U.S., and that is reported, again, by Free Market News and also out of the Athens Journal, Athens News.
	So that's what we had to look forward to.
	I have another article here out of the LA Times today about hover drones, hundreds of which have been ordered by the LAPD, I first saw this in the news a year ago, to fly around spying on you.
	So it's right out of They Live.
	Hello, my little friend.
	Come to tell them where I am.
	Have you seen that movie?
	When you look at these little hover drones, some of them look just like it.
	It just gets crazier and crazier and crazier.
	Here's the New York Times giving us a big news report on this Monday.
	Why, North Korea is said to be near a missile test.
	Oh my goodness.
	North Korea appears to have completed fueling a long-range ballistic missile.
	American officials said Sunday a move that greatly increases the probability that it will go ahead with its first important test launch in eight years.
	New York Times, it was all over Japanese and Korean press.
	There was another big test, and the U.S.
	was hit by a test missile, Alaska.
	Why don't you report on that?
	A senior American official said the intelligence from satellite photographs suggested that booster rockets had been loaded onto a launching pad and liquid fuel tanks fitted to a missile at the site of North Korea's remote east coast.
	While there have been study reports in recent days about preparations for a test, fueling is regarded as a critical step as well as probable bellwether of North Korea's intention.
	Siphoning liquid fuel out of a missile is a complex undertaking.
	Yes, looks like all systems are go, and fueling appears to be done, said the official who discussed the matter only after being promised anonymity because he was addressing delicate diplomatic and intelligence issues.
	We're good to go.
	A launching would have enormous importance for American security because it would mean that North Korea's first flight test of a long-range missile that might eventually have the capability to strike the United States.
	A launching could also ignite a political chain reaction in Japan, the United States, and China, which have been trying to re-engage North Korea in stalled talks about its nuclear weapons program.
	The Bush administration might step up financing for missile defense.
	Japan might increase its missile defense efforts as well.
	While militant Japanese politicians might push to reconsider the nation's nuclear weapons options such as moves most likely would alienate China.
	I'm going to stop right there.
	Head Japanese politicians in their parliament have reported as of two years ago that they are already developing nuclear weapons.
	Let me say that again.
	Japan, the last time North Korea did a test, said we're going to develop nukes.
	That was reported as if it's not even newsworthy.
	And remember, what was it, about eight years ago, there was that big nuclear spill, and there were all those Japanese in a weird government facility, hand-mixing, very high-grade, weapons-grade uranium.
	Remember, it was all just shut down real quiet.
	Yes, hand mixing.
	I mean, that's how secretively, and these people will just sacrifice themselves.
	There's all sorts of secret stuff going on.
	The big scandal, what was it, again, about eight years ago, I'm going from memory here, when France and the EU sold just masses of uranium and plutonium, weapons grade to them, and there was the big super triple hole tanker, and no country would let it even get near their coastlines because it was so dangerous to be transporting it to Japan.
	We're good to go.
	So all of this is going on.
	And you have a little mention in the New York Times of, oh, they might develop nuclear weapons.
	Yeah, sure.
	You think they make the best cars and the best electronics and have the most high-tech nuclear reactors in the world?
	How many do they have?
	It's just a massive number.
	I mean, they've got reactors everywhere.
	And all sorts of secret facilities, bioweapons facilities.
	The Japanese, ladies and gentlemen, are a serious...
	Ace card for a wild card, really.
	A royal flush.
	A whole hand of cards.
	Words cannot describe how highly developed.
	They have the most technologically developed country in the world.
	They have the most highly educated people in the world.
	They have the highest per capita IQ in the world.
	And just believe me, folks, they're completely armed to the teeth.
	They've been building subs and cruisers and all sorts of fighter bombers, and they've got a huge secret arsenal.
	By the way, I have family that's been doing business in Europe going back over a decade.
	There are huge arsenals the Germans have built.
	They have built aircraft carriers.
	They have built giant troop-carrying subs.
	They've been building all sorts of secret nukes.
	Remember, Hitler armed in secret.
	No one knew about it.
	So, it's just wild arms race going on right now.
	And I'll have to tell you, Germany and Japan are not as corrupt.
	They may spend a fraction of what our government does, but it's not for $800 toilet seats and $15 million blue tarp tents in Iraq for Halliburton just to feather their nest.
	When they spend money over there, it goes into the weapons systems.
	So they have very large arsenals now.
	Now, I digress off into Japan.
	Let me just get into, well, here's another headline here out of Bloomberg.
	Japan responds severely to North Korean missile tests, and they say they may respond economically, militarily.
	They're telling them that this is going to let a very militaristic government take over Japan.
	A leopard isn't going to change their spots, folks.
	And the Japanese, historically, aren't just smart.
	They're very militaristic, and they like to attack people.
	Let's just be honest about it.
	So go ahead and give them an excuse.
	You're going to get clobbered, North Korea.
	North Korea has already mock-nuked Alaska with U.S.
	government help.
	New report about threat of missile launch omit key facts.
	Reports today concerning the completed fueling of North Korea's long-range Taepong Dong-2 missile and its planned launch within a month omit several key aspects of the story, including the fact that North Korea already launched a missile that hit Alaska with the help of the U.S.
	government.
	In March of 2003, the Korean Times reported the U.S.
	National Assembly including a startling admission in its final report regarding North Korea's missile capabilities.
	A nuclear-capable North Korea test warhead was found in Alaska.
	I think.
	I think.
	A story that would have expected to garner front page headlines for days was completely blacked out by the U.S.
	with not a single newspaper choosing to report it.
	The reason?
	How could the Bush administration?
	Well, we'll tell you the reason on the other side of this break.
	That's right.
	The United States was hit in 2000.
	It was reported in 2003.
	By the final stage, the warhead casing, we have been hit
	By a dummy missile!
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	So why did the Western press cover up the admitted, confirmed U.S.
	government document, South Korean-Japanese documents, that we were hit by a test missile?
	Why?
	The reason how could the Bush administration sell a war against a country with no means to defend itself, and as it later transpired with no weapons of mass destruction, when a country with WMDs was firing long-range nuclear-capable missiles that were hitting the western coast of the United States.
	The 1994 agreed framework deal gave North Korea the capability to generate enough nuclear fuel to produce almost 100 nuclear bombs per year, a 99 congressional study undertaken by the House North Korean Advisory Group warned.
	And it went on.
	Through the provision of two light water reactors under the 94 agreed framework, and then ABB, the Swiss company, sold it to them, and guess who was on the board?
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	The United States, through the KEDO, would provide North Korea with the capability to produce annually enough fissile material for nearly 100 nuclear bombs should the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, DPRK, decide to violate the Non-Proliferation Treaty, MPT, which they did do.
	In April of 2002, the Bush administration announced that it would release 95 million of American taxpayer dollars to begin construction of the harmless light-water reactors.
	Bush argued that arming the megalomaniacal dictator Kim Jong-il, with the potential to produce 100 nukes a year, was vital to the national security interests of the United States.
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	Wolfram Eberhard, a spokesman for ABB, confirmed that Rumsfeld was in nearly all the board meetings during the involvement with the company.
	The meetings were held quarterly in Zurich, Switzerland.
	However, Rumsfeld again displays his uncanny ability to forget things when he stated that he, quote, doesn't remember the issue of North Korea being brought before the ABB board, Swiss Info concluded.
	Yeah, he's the executive director.
	Okay, he is the head.
	Of the company at the time, and he doesn't know anything about a $200 million deal that was very controversial and all over the news.
	That's totally true.
	Rumsfeld doesn't lie.
	Rumsfeld's position at ABB could prove embarrassing for the Bush administration, since while he was director, he was also active on issues of weapons proliferation, sharing the 98th Congressional Ballistic Missile Threat Commission, reported Swiss Info.
	North Korea is controlled by a hierarchy, hereditary Stalinist dictatorship, that has starved 2 million of its citizens to death in favor of building a 2 million man army.
	That was just in the last 10 years.
	Some people put the figure at 4 million, one quarter of the population.
	In the far north of the country, there's a network of forced labor gulags where people have been raped and executed.
	And it goes on and on.
	Expressed a bland political opinion, along with their... Let me go back and read that.
	It's tiny print.
	I skipped a line.
	Trying to hurry through this.
	In the far north of the country, there is a network of forced labor gulags where people who have expressed a bland political opinion are, along with their entire families, tortured, raped, and executed.
	Horrific biochemical experiments are performed on mass numbers of people.
	Babies are delivered and then stamped to death by camp guards.
	This is all mainstream news.
	If the mother screams while the guards are stamping on the baby's neck, she's immediately assassinated by a firing squad.
	These guards are rewarded with bonuses and promotions for ripping out prisoners' eyeballs.
	I think?
	Veiled by the UN in bleeding-heart humanitarian rhetoric, the money goes straight to enabling the North Korean leadership to live a lap of westernized luxury with casinos and lavish new cars.
	President Bush publicly claims to loathe Kim Jong-il II, and yet his administration, like Bill Clinton before him, is armed North Korea to the teeth with anything up to and beyond 200 nuclear bombs.
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	That's right, folks.
	Don't worry.
	The truth will come out.
	Evil will fail.
	The globalists will be exposed.
	Just have the courage.
	Move forward, educating one man, one woman at a time.
	We will, hopefully, if enough people get involved, stop the New World Order.
	Greg Palast is coming up in the next hour.
	They have a lot of other international and national news, and this North Korea situation is so incredible.
	We would invade Iraq.
	We would be talking about invading Iran right now.
	But, meanwhile, North Korea threatens to nuke us almost on a weekly basis.
	China threatens to nuke us every few months in huge press conferences and over 100 members of the press, the Wall Street Journal, you name it there.
	But none of these guys are a threat.
	Let's give them our ports, give them our bases, give them aid, buy all their products.
	But we've got to invade these Arab countries because they're pushovers, ladies and gentlemen, comparatively, and because they've got oil.
	But before we go any further, let me just get into this email I received.
	We've talked to Joe Bird.
	We've talked to Don McCormick.
	This email came from Joe Bird.
	We're going to post this on InfoWars.com.
	Quote, Alex, I wanted to pass on some information and let you know what happened to us after we met last Friday, directly after your in-car interview with Jim Tucker.
	I guess they saw me across the street doing an in-the-car interview with Jim Tucker.
	Because it was raining outside at the Brook Street Resort at Leggett Drive in Ottawa.
	My name is Joe, and I was with the young lady, Crystal, another person, Don McCormick.
	You had just interviewed Jim, then met with Daniel Estelon and Mark at the site.
	We offered you a blowhorn, I guess I'd call that a bullhorn, but you hadn't decided to use one or not at that point.
	And it goes on.
	Obviously, you got yourself one after all, because later I did bullhorn.
	Dom was overheard saying something along the lines, if the laws of cause and effect are intact, these buildings should come down.
	He was talking about 9-11, folks.
	Everybody was.
	Daniel invited us to meet you at the embassy suites that you were staying at that evening to come out for dinner with your entourage, and you obviously would have loved that particular opportunity.
	I was exchanging e-mail and phone numbers with your friend Mark.
	We left that same afternoon.
	Shortly after you left, at around 1 p.m.
	or so, we were followed into downtown Core, and Don was subsequently surrounded at gunpoint, apprehended, and taken to a clandestine facility operated by National Security without warrant or arrest.
	He was then threatened with violence and other harsh measures, interrogated and humiliated.
	After hours of this treatment, he was released.
	During the interrogation, the NSA official, Frank R. Francisco, grilled him about his association with you and branded you an insurgent.
	Don was instructed to have no additional contact with yourself and to leave town immediately.
	Crystal and I were also taken in while Don was being interrogated, but our experience wasn't so bad.
	They asked us questions about Don.
	I've known him for two decades and released us after only a few hours.
	We were dropped off where the car was, but we were forced to wait in the back of a police cruiser until Don was subsequently dropped off.
	Our ordeal started about 3ish and ended about 9.30 or 10 o'clock at night.
	We are glad in a sense that...
	We can talk about this now, and nothing changes the fact that we believe in you and your movement more than ever.
	We also told you that we would be starting a branch of a movement up here in the North, Canadian Patriot Activist Network, and it goes on.
	And it says Alex, Don said he was willing to go on the record about his ordeal, names, name names, and give you an interview, and we now have Don with us, Don McCormick.
	Don, thanks for coming on.
	Well, thank you very much, Alex.
	Tell people a little bit about yourself and your respected guy in business there.
	I've been working for Hydro One as an electrician and all types of electrical generation.
	It's the province's own utility for over two decades.
	And...
	The reason I came to Ottawa is I'd seen your website, and Alex, the bottom line is the truth is the truth.
	It always has been the truth, and it always will be the truth.
	And what's right is right is always right, and always will be right.
	Those are two constants.
	The only thing that is permanent other than that is change, and it's time for the people of Canada and the U.S.
	and Mexico to wake up
	And then inform themselves of the truth.
	Now, to be clear, you work for the government.
	You even work, I believe Kevin was telling me, on nuclear power plants.
	You're a mainstream guy with a security clearance.
	You don't have any record, and then suddenly this all happens to you.
	Go back for me and describe exactly what happened.
	Well, I had been taking a rest in the back of a rental vehicle, and it was pouring down rain, and then there was a bang on the car saying, wake up and get out of the car.
	And so when I woke up and opened the door, there was these officers that had guns pointed at me.
	And I've never had a gun pointed at me by a police officer.
	Now, was this Ottawa Police?
	Which police specifically?
	Well, I don't know.
	It's difficult to tell.
	I think it was the RCMP.
	So it was Royal Mounted Police, Federal Police?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Please continue.
	So, actually, I was in shock.
	It was raining down.
	I lied down in a...
	We're good.
	It was a terrifying experience, as you can imagine.
	How many hours?
	Now, they took you somewhere after that, correct?
	Yes, that's correct.
	From what I can ascertain, they took me to a facility that is rarely used, was their description.
	I didn't see a lot of pictures on the wall.
	There was new paint, but the cells weren't cell bar doors.
	These were maximum security cells with the full metal door and just a sliver of...
	Clear plastic to lock in.
	Now, I want to make it clear that I have 100% respect for the officers of the law and I know they're just doing their job but I don't know who would give them orders.
	First they said when they pulled me out of the car that they had a description of a man matching my description who had a gun.
	And then they arrested me
	I want to go back, though.
	I want to go back.
	Specifically, you described to Kevin in the pre-interview that they took you to some facility that looked like an old building on the outside, but it was new inside.
	So was this a secretive-type facility?
	I mean, where was it?
	Well, um...
	I understand you're not from the city.
	I understand you're not in Ottawa.
	You don't live there.
	You're visiting.
	But let me describe.
	Was it near a residential area?
	Near big buildings?
	I think it was more like in the downtown core.
	No.
	It was several kilometers away from where they picked me up in the rental vehicle.
	And...
	I don't not know whether they tailed the vehicle since we left the conference or whether they used the GPS on start.
	Well, Daniel, that's the one that was stopped too and questioned.
	So we know this was happening to other people.
	We were being tailed off and on and even got some video of the people.
	But specifically now, they get you to the facility.
	Describe that for us.
	Well...
	The only thing that really kills fear is knowledge.
	And I didn't know what to think or do.
	I've read in various publications with these new terrorist laws that they seem to have passed without any of the government officials looking at, more or less, they can hold you indefinitely and without charges.
	And, you know, my grandfather fought in the World War II.
	Well, I want you to describe this.
	Did they pull you into a parking garage?
	Where did you park?
	What did it look like?
	Well, it was like an underground parking facility.
	You could smell the new paint, but it was very empty.
	There wasn't a lot of pictures on the wall.
	It was just like an underground parking garage.
	Did they put you in a cell?
	Yes.
	The cell wasn't like a normal cell, though.
	It wasn't with the bars coming down.
	It was like a maximum security.
	I understand.
	Big steel door.
	Oh, yeah.
	Did they put you in there for about an hour to freak you out, then pull you out and interrogate you?
	Let me just guess.
	I mean, tell us blow by blow.
	Let me just stop you, because we don't have a lot of time.
	I want to get the story.
	Specifically, tell us blow by blow what happened.
	Well, they put me on the cell for a few hours, and then I was called into this interrogation room.
	Some of the questions that were asked were, how do you know Alex Jones?
	Do you know how many people are with him?
	And so on.
	They just asked me what I was doing there.
	They recommended strongly that I be picked up if I went anywhere back near this place.
	And the thing is, they also picked up Joe Bird and Crystal Slack, who's only 19 years old.
	I knew that they had them in custody.
	I just had a gut feeling.
	Now, we've talked to them.
	I didn't want anything to happen to them.
	So I basically just agreed with most of what they said.
	I told them I'd never go to another conference again and got the heck out of there.
	Okay.
	Now, how many hours were you there?
	I'd say about six or seven.
	Okay.
	Specifically, tell us about this Frank or Francisco grilling you the threats, the threats of violence.
	Can you tell me about that?
	Well, Frank wanted to get the information necessary.
	He was just... Let me stop you.
	Were you being interrogated in the cell or were they taking you out to an interrogation?
	I was taken to a different room for that.
	Okay, describe it.
	You're at a table.
	How many people in the room?
	There was two people in the room.
	Was there a table in front of you?
	Yes, there was a table in the chair.
	Were there any recording devices?
	Yeah, in the corner there appeared to be the filmed camera.
	Sure.
	Tell us exactly what this Frank person said.
	Well, Frank wanted to know about what I was doing in Ottawa, why I was at the Bilderberg.
	Why I'd been there the night before, what was my relationship with you, how many people were with you, and so on.
	Because Joe Bird, in his email to us, and in our talks with him, we're going to get him on too, later, he specifically said that you were threatened, there were threats of violence, that this Frank person said that I was, quote, an insurgent.
	Is that true?
	Well, I got the impression myself that
	That was what he was kind of describing you as.
	Okay, specifically, what did he say about me?
	Well, he wanted to know how I knew you, what I knew about you, and I explained to him about PrisonPlanet.com and some of the websites, because I really believe that you are telling the truth, and I want him to believe that you are telling the truth.
	Sure, I understand why you're doing this, sir.
	Tell us about Frank.
	Tell us what Frank said.
	Well, Frank was...
	Asking a variety of questions.
	And how was Frank dressed?
	He was in a suit, very professional.
	Was he wearing a tie?
	Yes.
	I'm just curious.
	He was definitely... How old was he?
	Give us a physical description, please.
	Well, I'd say he was about 50 years old, perhaps.
	Okay, did he say who he was with?
	He said that he was with the National Integrated...
	What else did he specifically say about me?
	I'm sorry I'm interrogating you.
	I'm just trying to get it all out here.
	What else did this Frank person say?
	Well, he made it clear.
	He said things to me like, it'd be better if I did more sleeping than talking on the way home, as if, you know, they'd be listening to me.
	And I have to choose my words here very carefully, Alex, because...
	I hate to say this, but I'm looking over my shoulder from time to time now.
	Hey, that's what the secret police thing is all about.
	I understand your courage.
	You have incredible courage, Don, coming on, but you're doing the right thing.
	You've done nothing wrong.
	Now, I guess you guys were out front talking about 9-11.
	Is that what they claim they heard?
	When they charged me...
	We're good to go.
	We're good to go.
	And that's what a Canadian... While you were there, did you hear the people running around calling for violence, who were obviously feds?
	I'm sure you heard me on air talk about that later.
	That's what they try to do.
	They say it, they don't get in trouble.
	In my article last week, that's what we said.
	The minute I would have... Yeah, yeah!
	And by the way, I don't agree with that, folks.
	I'm showing you what it would have looked like.
	The minute somebody would have agreed or just jokingly laughed, boom, it would have been national headlines, Alex Jones the terrorist, he's facing 20 years in prison, they torture me.
	If I agreed to plea bargain, they'd only give me a year in prison.
	I'd be in prison right now.
	Folks, that's how serious...
	This is when you're dealing with these people.
	Now, I want to go back to Joe Bird's description here in this report he sent us.
	Were there threats to you physically?
	I cannot really say.
	It was more of a mental thing.
	Like, if you go here, we'll be picking you up.
	You won't be let go.
	And as far as I do more sleeping than talking on the way home is if they're listening to what I say.
	You know, psychological terror is a lot harder to heal than physical.
	Now think.
	Did Frank say anything else about myself?
	You know, Alex, the whole thing is so fast and so... Like I was in shock.
	I'm...
	I'm scanning through my mind, but he did want to know how many people were in your quote-unquote entourage.
	And what... Well, we talked about... My major concern was this smart borders thing, which all Canadians should be concerned about, and the effect of the Patriot Act on smart borders.
	And when I start reading things like if you believe in the second coming of Christ or if you're a Christian that you could be branded a terrorist, that's...
	So you started telling him that?
	What did he say?
	Yeah, well, he said that all this was not true.
	Oh, we have the official documents and FEMA on video and training manuals from Virginia to Texas to Arizona.
	No, we're not making any of it up.
	Well, I studied your work, too, and on the seismograph readings from Oklahoma City.
	So basically he said that I was a liar?
	He said that, yes.
	What did he specifically say?
	I don't want to put words in your mouth.
	What did he specifically say about me concerning that?
	He said it wasn't true.
	That the Smart Borders Patriot Act does not apply in Canada, and that that is wrong, and that believing in... That's been in the U.S.
	today, that we're merging our border systems.
	Yes, well, I've been in the construction industry, and even in 1992 when they had these free trade agreements signed...
	That was the beginning of the end there, and even before that.
	Any other key things he said, Mr. McCormick?
	Not that I feel comfortable.
	You've got to understand my position.
	I understand.
	You work for the government.
	How many people were in the facility?
	As far as I know, there was one person behind the desk, the two officers that escorted me in.
	And then he came in later.
	But that's why Joe's informed me a lot about your work, and I've learned from other sources.
	Let me ask you a question.
	What color was the paint?
	Gray.
	Dark gray.
	I knew it.
	I was going to say gray.
	It's all meant for intimidation.
	Dark blue, like a navy blue.
	It's all for intimidation, all for darkness.
	Before I ever talked to you, I knew.
	A couple hours in the cell, gray walls.
	You were probably at a torture facility, brother.
	Probably where they fly people out to the death camps.
	Stay with us.
	We'll be right back.
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	Don, I know it sounds like I'm interrogating you.
	We just have limited time and I wanted to get all the answers.
	Oh, it's not.
	And that's why Joe has put up CPAN so that other Canadians can join a peaceful information network on the web and because violence is just an attempt to gain control that we have a situation you don't have control of and we don't need that because we are in control of the truth.
	Don, if you want to plug that website, tell us about it.
	Give us the web address.
	That
	I'm not sure if I have the address here, but I believe it will be on the first release.
	All right.
	It would be actually the truthmovement.ca.
	Truthmovement.ca.
	Okay.
	Let me go back here now for just a second.
	Number one, anything else you want to add?
	And then my final question, was this not a wake-up call to you about just how real this is?
	I was astounded.
	Like, I've never been...
	Well, I've been looking into that with my lawyers, but I've been told not to comment on that at this point.
	I understand.
	Anything else that happened while you were in the facility?
	When they let you go, did they just bring you back to your car?
	They drove me back to the rental vehicle, but like I said, they had two of my friends in custody as well, just for being my friends.
	That's right.
	They let them go earlier than you, and they had to wait there where the two cars were, according to their email and the discussions we had.
	So they brought you back to the car.
	The whole ordeal lasted more towards 11 o'clock for like eight hours, to tell you the truth.
	What was the last thing they said to you when they let you go?
	Well, one of the last things in the interrogation room was, if I was you, I would not go down near the Brook Street Hotel, because if you're picked up again, you will not be getting let go.
	And if I was you, I'd do more sleeping and less talking on your way home.
	What does that mean, you're not going to be let go?
	Did you ask him what that meant?
	No, but I got, in my opinion, that would be...
	Like I say, knowledge kills fear, and the fear of not knowing how long they can hold you and how long they can hold you without charging you.
	Yeah, he was telling you you could be disappeared, and we know they have these holding facilities in every major city.
	We know there have been flights out of Canada, out of D.C., out of New York, hundreds of them even using Red Sox planes, they even rent them, to fly, I'm not kidding folks, to fly people to these former Eastern Bloc gulags.
	So, this is chilling.
	But it shows that their tyranny isn't full power yet, or that those guys might not have, you know, be totally wicked yet, that they didn't do something to you, or they thought it would make a major incident.
	Yeah.
	Well, I have no criminal record, and for this to happen to an average taxpaying voting Canadian citizen is not right.
	Did they ask you over and over again if you were planning something violent?
	Well, yeah.
	They also took my picture on the way out.
	Of course they did.
	Also, you're in the file.
	Also, did they keep asking if you were planning violence with me?
	They wanted to know what your purpose was and what I thought you were doing.
	Let's do five more minutes.
	Stay there.
	Well, the punks could have asked me.
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	Don McCormick and Joe Bird, and of course, Joe Bird's girlfriend, were picked up.
	And Don was interrogated severely and told that he would not be getting back out if he went back down to the Bilderberg group where they were meeting.
	And they were very interested in myself.
	Of course, they had provocateurs there and then others that would pick up the provocateur chant.
	And I saw police waiting to pounce.
	The minute I would have agreed or said anything that could be construed as a threat, I would be in a prison right now.
	Because I'm a public figure, I wouldn't have probably gone to an overseas torture center.
	But I would be in jail, it would be big headlines right now.
	We wrote that article last week, we weren't joking about that.
	Do you understand, ladies and gentlemen?
	And this is all meant to scare everybody, all the NSA spying announcements, all of it.
	It doesn't scare me.
	You should be scared of not taking action against these people.
	You know, I told Customs when they held me off and on for 15 hours, I told them why I was there.
	I was there to cover it, I was there to report on it, and I was there to expose it, and I did that.
	And I mean what I say, and I said what I meant, and an elephant's faithful 100%.
	I mean, I told these people what I was there for, period.
	And it shows how elitist the Bilderberg Group is.
	It shows their power.
	It shows how they can pull strings.
	It shows what they can do.
	This is the real shadow government.
	In closing, Don McCormick, I want to commend you for your courage to come on and expose this and talk about this.
	Well, first of all, Alex, I'd just like to thank you for letting me get this story out.
	I feel safer knowing that now if anything does happen to me, that maybe this might have something to do with it, you know.
	I don't mean to be paranoid, but after what I've seen in Canada here, I just don't know what to think.
	And I really appreciate your courage as well, because without you, I would not know what I know.
	Knowledge is power.
	It is.
	Don, stay in touch.
	If they give you any more problems, we'll be here for you.
	You've got our office number.
	God bless.
	Okay, thank you.
	God bless you, too.
	There's an electrician who works for the dams, works for the nuclear power plants.
	Bye-bye.
	No criminal record.
	Middle-aged fellow, family guy, and he just goes out there with some friends to check out what's happening, and they're listening carefully to anyone that's saying anything, they can grab them.
	Of course, the provocateurs can stand there and say whatever they want.
	That's fine.
	They're allowed to sit there and shoot their mouths off.
	You see, I told you we were crossing a line when I stood up in Bullhorn, Bilderberg.
	I knew it consciously and in my bones.
	But we've got to be bold.
	We've got to be strong.
	So if I fall and bump my head or an 18-wheeler runs over me or I die suddenly of a heart attack or some two-week cancer or I get found dead in a hotel room with a heroin needle sticking out of my arms with a prostitute cut up, you know it isn't true, ladies and gentlemen.
	And people go, man, Alex, you've got courage.
	Look at this.
	No, I don't have courage, ladies and gentlemen.
	We have a pack of psychopathic criminals.
	In control of our country and the world, who think they're going to get away with all this.
	They put all these poisons in the vaccines.
	The DU, John Yoo, one of the chief White House counsels, says they can torture little kids.
	I mean, you've got to stand up against them.
	They're going to have their way with us if we don't.
	And we are having an effect.
	We have discredited them.
	Their approval ratings are at 30%, in some cases even lower.
	Their agenda is unpopular, unconstitutional, and tyrannical.
	So if more of us stand up, they can't get us all.
	And people are standing up.
	A lot of the police and intelligence agency people are on our side.
	They've counted the cost.
	They know we're the good guys.
	They know their bosses are the bad guys.
	All we were there in Canada doing was exposing the global mafia.
	Period.
	That's all we were doing.
	And we'll continue to do that.
	These Malthusian social Darwinistic crooks that want to build this world government will be defeated.
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	Now, 8 minutes and 30 seconds into this second hour.
	And I've had a chance to meet him in New York and interview him for my film, Martial Law.
	He was gracious enough to give us a few hours then.
	We're good to go.
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	China floats, Bush sinks, the scheme to steal 08, no child behind left.
	And it also is a handsome book.
	I just got it, and I can't wait to read it.
	Greg is an extremely accomplished writer, again, best-selling author, joining us in studio.
	We're also videotaping this for the local TV show and the PrisonPlanet.tv viewers.
	Greg Powell, it's great to have you here with us.
	Terrific, Alex.
	It's always an honor.
	Really.
	I mean, you know, my big shot publishers out of New York, I say, I want to launch my book on the Alex Jones Show.
	And they go, what's Alex Jones?
	You know, like they're in the New York towers.
	They don't understand what the people are listening to.
	So that's why even they are surprised that my book is a bestseller again.
	So thank you, Alex, because you're getting that word out.
	Oh, no, thank you, Greg.
	You certainly have a huge grassroots support all over the globe.
	Tell us about Armed Madhouse.
	Well, I mean, it starts out like, who's afraid of Osama?
	You go from the war on terror to Iraq to Venezuela to China and what's going on with all this stuff.
	What I'm doing is, for those who don't know me, I do...
	Investigative reporting for BBC television, which, you know, Alex is, you know, I have to do over there, because investigative reporting here is, I think, against Patriot Act 3 or something.
	They don't allow this stuff on the air.
	What I've got here, for example, are the secret plans for the oil fields of Iraq, which I was able to get out of Houston, which are written for the Iraqi government, imposed by the State Department, but written up by big oil.
	I've got here the inside documents from Choice Point and the companies which are illegally sucking up information about you and me and renting it out to the government.
	So you have like 60 illustrations in this beast because it's all these documents marked secret and confidential you're not supposed to see and BBC will actually allow me to go get them but they won't allow me to show it on US TV.
	I am completely, totally locked out of American television.
	Well, this is smoking gun type stuff that you have.
	You've done a lot of the original research on this.
	It's been confirmed.
	It's been vetted.
	This is the same stuff that the Treasury Secretary O'Neill was telling us.
	Then you actually get the documents.
	This is war profiteering in the extreme.
	We're good to go.
	Conspiracy nuts think that Bush had a secret plan to seize and control the oil fields of Iraq before the invasion and even before September 11th.
	And that's not true, Alex, because I looked it up and we dug it out and we found out he had two plans.
	And the two plans, one written up by neocons, one written up by big oil, and the big oil plan, which is the one that ultimately won out,
	It's not about, believe it or not, it's not about going to get the oil.
	It's not about blood for oil.
	It's about blood for no oil.
	They're not going in there to get you the oil to make it cheap to fill your Hummer.
	They are going in.
	They're using the 82nd Airborne as Exxon's exploration company, not to find oil and bring it back, but to find oil and turn off the spigots.
	I have a 323-page document.
	Written up by Big Oil and the James Baker III Institute, Council on Foreign Relations.
	I know that a lot of people say, oh, this is conspiracy stuff.
	You have to understand...
	I found out these guys wrote up our policy because they told me themselves.
	The oil execs themselves.
	And the James Baker people.
	If you don't know James Baker, he was Secretary of State under Bush 1, Treasury Secretary under Ronald Reagan.
	He represents, he's the lawyer for Exxon Mobil, the lawyer for the Saudi Arabian government, and the lawyer kind of consigliere for the Bush family.
	And it's his crew that put this together.
	Now they say that they didn't put it together.
	Or they said they didn't even talk to me.
	And they threatened to sue, by the way, Harper's Magazine when I outed this stuff.
	Then the editor of Harper's said, you never talked to Pallas?
	I said, that's right.
	They said, okay, what part of this audio tape is not you?
	Because that's one thing I do.
	Now, I was on National Public Radio, NPR, which is better called National Petroleum Radio.
	And they said, we don't do that.
	I said, I know that.
	But I have to.
	You know what?
	You talk to these guys, they lie.
	So they didn't know who they were talking to or why, and they let the stuff out.
	When I got the word about the oil companies drafting up the plans for Iraq's oil fields right out of Houston, even though it says Washington on it.
	First of all, by the way, the United States government told me in writing, when I say me, BBC television, they told us in writing there is no such plan.
	Defense Department, State Department, White House, in writing, there is no plan for the Iraqi oil industry that we've written.
	Then, I get the plan.
	323 pages.
	Marked State Department.
	Not for public distribution.
	Not confidential to a whole nine yards.
	And I got that by wiring up and talking to the oil execs who described it.
	And I was able to get my hands on it.
	But here's the evil thing of what's in it.
	Bad enough that you've got oil company executives writing a policy attached to an Abrams tank.
	And we've got kids out there.
	We've got now two kids being held hostage.
	One out of Houston.
	Right?
	And believe me, the kid from Houston...
	Doesn't have anything to do with writing up these oil plans.
	Who's held hostage.
	The oil plans are about... Here's the phrase in it.
	You'll love this.
	The purpose is to, quote, enhance Iraq's relationship with OPEC.
	Guys, OPEC is the oil cartel which is squeezing us by the pumps, destroying our economy, raising the price of oil to 70 bucks a barrel.
	That's 3 bucks a gallon at the pump.
	Enhance OPEC.
	And just so you know, when you talk about crime, Alex...
	You have to understand, it is against the law for any American to participate in the oil cartel.
	In any cartel.
	Okay?
	King Abdullah gets away with having a cartel because there's an exception to American law saying that apparently dictators and bathrobes and crowns are not part of...
	They're not subject to our laws on monopolies.
	Yeah, the foreign governments who have kings, they're allowed to have monopolies, but in the U.S., going back to 1906 and the Sherman Antitrust Act, you can't do that.
	That's right.
	In fact, there's something called the long arm of the Sherman Antitrust Act, which says that any monopoly anywhere, including OPEC,
	...is against the U.S.
	law.
	If any American is found helping out OPEC... Now, of course, the oil companies are cranking it in big time because of OPEC, and they pretend to have nothing to do with it.
	But now we have a document showing that the James Baker people and the oil companies that worked with them, like Petromina out of Indonesia, for example, was in on it, that these guys are enhancing... They're using their own phrase, that they're enhancing OPEC, that they're trying to maneuver Iraq to make sure that Iraq will never bust...
	The Saudi Arabian production quotas.
	Saudi Arabia sets quotas.
	You can't produce more oil than 3 million barrels a day for Iraq.
	That's their absolute stone limit.
	Now, a lot of people I know think that George Bush screwed up in Iraq.
	You read these documents, you realize he hasn't.
	Because, you know, when he came into office, oil was 20-something a barrel.
	Like, cheaper than peanut butter.
	Today...
	It's $70 a barrel.
	That's mission accomplished.
	You read this stuff, that was their mission.
	Mission accomplished.
	Greg, let me add something to what you just said, because this is incredible.
	Obviously, I've read your last two books.
	I've watched your Bush Family Fortunes video.
	It's excellent.
	But the things you're saying here, this is the documents.
	This is the evidence.
	You've gotten IMF, World Bank documents in the past.
	I want to revisit some of that, because it ties in.
	But the neocons get on talk radio and go, look, less oil is flowing out of Iraq.
	See?
	If we wanted the oil, it would be flowing.
	No, no, no, no.
	It's called artificial scarcity.
	You got it, ladies and gentlemen.
	And it's the same thing the beers and the Oppenheimers do with diamonds.
	They go all over the world buying up the fields, paying people off, sending in mercenaries, bragging about it, because they're actually only semi-precious.
	They artificially make them scarce.
	And it's the same thing with Iraq.
	In fact...
	In 1990, they were angry.
	OPEC, Bush Sr.
	and others, Europe was angry that Saddam was, quote, overproducing, driving oil prices down because he said, hey, I've got a...
	$30-something billion debt to BCCI and other people.
	I've got to pay this off.
	OPEC said you're driving it down to 90 cents a gallon.
	You can't do this.
	So they shut him up.
	He said, okay, well, they're slant drilling.
	Can I invade them?
	Yeah.
	We don't get involved in inter-Arab affairs.
	April Gillespie, we don't have a defense treaty with them.
	So understand, ladies and gentlemen, grabbing the oil in Afghanistan and then controlling Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and the other stands, Turkmenistan, that means China and India don't get it.
	See, it's about grabbing it and then shitting on it.
	You know what?
	You got it.
	I'm glad you grabbed it, Alex, because there are a lot of people kind of in the streets saying no blood for oil.
	And there was this whole image that we were going there to get the oil.
	And like you say, the neocons say...
	Hey, we didn't get the oil, so obviously that's not what it was about.
	It's about not getting the oil.
	It's about capping it, not getting it.
	In fact, it goes back.
	By the way, this is interesting.
	You'll find in the book.
	And by the way, one thing I do in the book, there's like 70 documents shown here.
	And, you know, I try to do it, by the way, in a way that's humorous.
	You know, that's how you do news in the BBC.
	You can have a little humor.
	But you actually have the enhanced OPEC document in there.
	But one of the things you'll find out that's interesting is going back in history, Iraq was invented to control oil.
	Winston Churchill invented Iraq in 1920.
	And they set up a nation, they got in a guy named Faisal as king.
	Winston Churchill took the Kirkuk Fields, the Basra Fields, and the Tar Sands of Baghdad, put the three fields together, called it Iraq, invited in a guy named Faisal from Saudi Arabia, said, you're king.
	He said, king of what?
	Is it Iraq?
	He said, what's Iraq?
	He said, it's the place of Baghdad.
	And that's why the Saudis have always been our buddies.
	It goes back to Lawrence of Arabia.
	They just went and picked a tribe, gave them a bunch of machine guns and grenades, and said, you're the bosses there.
	And we got you.
	And so what happened was that Faisal then flipped around and gave a concession to a consortium, including Anglo-Persian, which is now BP.
	Standard Oil, now Exxon, the company that's now Total France and Royal Dutch Shell, those four operators, in 1925, they sat in a hotel room in Brussels, laid out a map of the Mideast, took a red marker, they didn't have markers, they took a red pen.
	And put a circle around Syria and Iraq.
	Every oil company executive in the room in 25 signed that on the red line on the big map and agreed never to pull oil out of Iraq.
	Greg Palacis is riveting.
	We're going to come right back.
	He's got the documents.
	It's in the new book.
	Armed Madhouse.
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	Greg, this is incredible.
	You have the oil company documents where they're openly talking about stopping the flow.
	You expose peak oil as a big PR scam to make us think there's not enough oil to again create the illusion of artificial scarcity.
	You've got it all in here, but before we get into that...
	In 1995 and 1996, a bunch of documents were produced by the oil companies.
	In 2001, the Associated Press reported on it.
	It came back out last year where they said, we've got to buy up these hundreds of independent refineries in North America because there's too much oil.
	We can create an artificial bottleneck by buying them up.
	Then they blame the environmentalists and say, oh, it's all their fault.
	They're the reason that all the refineries have been shut down when we have their own smoking gun documents.
	Greg, how do they get away with this?
	How'd they get away with it?
	Well, because they... Do you realize that ExxonMobil is the second largest lifetime career giver to George W. Bush and the Bush family after Enron?
	Okay?
	I mean, you have to understand who's bought the White House for these guys?
	And look, also, you can't ignore the fact that
	These are the guys who shoplifted the White House.
	And the same guys who helped them shoplift the White House are the same guys, the same companies, who are collecting the lists on Americans for the war on terror.
	And that's all about... You collect the lists?
	You know, everyone's worried about the civil liberties aspect.
	I keep asking a simple question.
	What are they doing with these lists?
	They sure as heck aren't going after the bad guys, the terrorists.
	They're going after... You know, we're the victims on September 11th, not the suspects.
	They made us the suspects.
	We're under surveillance.
	They can't do this legally.
	It's against the law.
	And by the way, the law is the United States Constitution.
	So what they do is they have companies like ChoicePoint and others collecting the information on us.
	Private KGB type operations.
	Then they rent the data from them.
	To fund it.
	Yeah.
	And then what happens is once they rent the data, what's it used for?
	It's used for elections.
	And then their buddies even make money off the scam.
	Billions.
	Billions.
	And then, meanwhile, the Democratic Party... No bid contracts.
	The Democratic Party's bought off by the same people.
	Oh, yeah.
	Now, I mean, even Senator... No, no, no, you can't buy Democrats.
	You can only rent them.
	I mean, even Senator O'Connor, even Bob Woodward, all these people, Ron Paul, Congressman, they're all saying we're in danger of a dictatorship.
	They say Bush, with the signing statements...
	Well, it's a slow-motion, soft dictatorship.
	In other words, when these guys start surveilling us,
	Okay, and it's against the Constitution.
	And they, by order, say that any law subject to presidential elimination by signature, any of your rights, then what is a dictatorship except one guy's... A dictatorship, by definition, is one guy saying, I can set the laws, I can ignore these laws, and I can accept those laws.
	When one man is above the laws, that is the definition of dictatorship.
	Getting into this particular document here in front of me from page 99, Enhanced Government Relationship with OPEC, USA will maintain the contents confidential, should not be reproduced, distributed, or used.
	What does this document specifically cover?
	Okay, what that document is covering, and it's part of the 300-page document, this is part of that document developed by the big oil companies,
	We're good to go.
	And, you know, again, a lot of these people didn't realize I was wired.
	By the way, Carol was at the Bilderberg Group meeting last week, and I was there, and I got picked up and interrogated.
	Other people that were there got picked up and asked if they were terrorists and stuff.
	So are you?
	No, but I mean... Are you now, or have you ever been?
	But it's getting scary.
	I mean, this stuff's really happening.
	Yeah, well, you know, it's fascinating, though, to talk to these oil guys.
	I mean, they're deeply concerned that...
	Saddam was out of control, as they put it.
	That he was jerking the oil markets up and down.
	And now I have, you know, I have also in the book, the maps of Iraq and its oil fields that Dick Cheney went over with oil company executives in March of 2001.
	You have to understand, that's within six weeks of the inauguration, guys.
	This is no September 11th attack or anything.
	We already had the maps out of the oil fields of Iraq.
	We're good to go.
	We're good to go.
	It's incredible.
	Well, you know, and some of the stuff, like the review, as I find out, the oil fields of Iraq are being reviewed by, who was in the room?
	It was not only oil company executives, Council of Foreign Relations, and Ken Lay, of all people.
	And that's because they're going over what people thought was that they were rewriting the energy laws of the U.S.
	That was a very minor part of it.
	I now know it was the total energy plan for the planet.
	And they talked about what they called, quote, and this is a quote, military option for Iraq.
	This is March 2001.
	This is before 9-11.
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	When we get back, we've got a long seven, plenty of time to talk.
	I want to get into what this global plan is, because you've got the 300-page document, and that can give us a window into what's going to happen in the future, what the neocons want, what the oil companies want, how these two different bodies, you know, how they're programmed.
	Converges, where it differs, and how Europe ties into all this, what you see happening in the future.
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	We've got Greg Palast in studio with us, the new book, Armed Madhouse.
	And he's the author of the New York Times bestseller, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.
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	I want to get into their big plan in the future, what you know from talking to these executives.
	And 300-page document.
	But right now, you have done something bold here, because the left is in love with what I've tracked back to be oil company propaganda.
	And it's like a religion.
	All over Austin, all over New York, when I travel to these cities, when I was in Canada, peak oil, peak oil, there's no more oil, we're all dead, we have to pay $500 a gallon, it's all over.
	We're running out of crude, dude.
	I mean, one of the problems is, Alex, and I lost a lot of my supporters, and I'm sorry about this, but I'm an investigative reporter, so I investigated Peak Oil.
	What I found out is that it was created by Shell Oil, and I call it the Shell game in there.
	By a guy named Hubbard, who is the chief geologist for Shell.
	And Shell was trying, was panicked because they were finding all this new oil in the Mideast, and so what are they going to do?
	So they announced, instead of that, God, we've got a lot of new oil, they said, well, it looks like we've got a lot of new oil, but you know, it's going to run out, it's going to peak, it's going to suddenly collapse on us.
	And now the latest thing that I found, by the way, Alex, and I show it in the book, inside the Department of Energy,
	Inside the Department of Energy is a document showing that while, yes, we're going to start running to the end of Saudi Arabia's oil, it's not going to be so quick, by the way, that if you add in what they call the Orinoco Extra Heavy Oil, that that reserve...
	And 90% of it's in Venezuela.
	That reserve is five times bigger than the Saudi Arabian Reserve.
	So we are swimming in this stuff.
	And this is their own internal document, so they don't want the public to know about it.
	And by the way, they called BBC Television London.
	When I put it on TV, they said, where'd you get that document?
	And I said, we don't remember.
	But see, I can't do that on US TV.
	I can't take an inside document.
	That I find about all this oil, and the Department of Energy knows it.
	Why shouldn't we know it?
	Why is it a secret?
	It's not a secret to the oil companies.
	It's not a secret to our government.
	I know.
	It just makes me become speechless to have the documents in front of me, to see the same documents, to track back peak oil when it's first started getting promoted six, seven, eight years ago, to see that it was being financed through these shell grants to Russian scientists, to see that it emanated from one of their chief petroleum geologists.
	I have family who are petroleum geologists.
	We're good to go.
	We have so much oil, they're finding it in the North Sea, they're finding it in Russia, they're finding it, it's in India, it's in China.
	Oil, it's all in the Gulf of Mexico.
	Mexico itself has three times the oil of the lower 48 in the U.S.
	Mexico, Pemex, I mean...
	But nothing comes close to Venezuela, and that's one of the reasons why they want to kill Hugo Chavez.
	I was just down meeting with the president of Venezuela last month.
	Oh, tell us about that.
	Yeah, last month.
	So I showed him the Department of Energy material saying he had more oil than Saudi Arabia.
	He said, well, hey, Greg, I know that.
	What he was saying, though, what he was concerned about is that, you know, obviously you had the Reverend Pat Robertson say, you know, Hugo Chavez, he's the president of Venezuela, thinks you're trying to assassinate him.
	Well, I think we should just go ahead and do it.
	They're afraid.
	Oh, I love that.
	He's paranoid, saying they want to kill him, but they're on the news saying kill him.
	Four days after you came on my show in 2002, on my show, it's in my book, The Transcript, that transcript I put in a bunch of foreign newspapers, it went supernova, as we say.
	You said there's going to be a coup in the next few months.
	Four days later, they kidnap him.
	I want to go back over that, but I interrupted.
	Tell us, you met with the president.
	Tell us.
	Okay, so I met with the president.
	And, by the way, that was very helpful, your show, because one of the things that he credits was saving his life, because they kidnapped him, and obviously the next move was to kill him.
	But by getting out the word that he was in fact kidnapped, that it was an illegal coup d'etat, the U.S.
	State Department said he had resigned, was in despair, and of course they're going to say he committed suicide or something like that, because it was a lie.
	And it was exposed.
	It saved his life.
	And so that's very, you know, getting the word out can be very important.
	But the important thing is that he's sitting on all this oil.
	He said, look, I'd like to cut a deal with the American people.
	I said, I'm not going to cut the deal with Bush.
	I'll cut the deal with the American people.
	Let's cut the price of oil by a good third right now.
	Knock a buck a gallon off your gas.
	I'll give cheap heating oil to all the cities in America, all low-income areas, to every fuel crop in America permanently.
	But, one, we've got to end the kind of cold war that they're starting against Latin America.
	That's got to stop.
	The other is that he says you've got to get rid of Saudi, in effect, get rid of Saudi control of OPEC.
	Because, you know, OPEC has this game where they shoot the price of oil way, way up through the ceiling.
	About every six, eight years, they dump it down to nothing to wipe out alternatives.
	He says, I can't operate, you know, our nation's getting killed this way with the up and down.
	Stabilize the price of oil.
	We've got plenty of oil for you.
	Let's work it out.
	And Bush's response, this government's response, big oil, and by the Democratic Party, too, both parties are in on this, is kill them.
	We're not going to tolerate that.
	And one of the big reasons, by the way, is that he said, look, Abdullah gives you all his money back.
	Basically, almost all the petrodollars, all the big money we spend on our oil goes out to the Mideast, through the oil companies, out to the Mideast, and back into the U.S.
	Treasury.
	So that we've run up a $2 trillion debt, Alex.
	Extra since Bush has come in.
	That's all been borrowed abroad.
	$2 trillion.
	Every single penny.
	Petrodollars are the key.
	Chavez said, I will give you cheap petroleum, but I'm not going to lend George Bush back money for oil wars.
	I'm not doing that.
	In fact, he took $20 billion out of the U.S.
	Federal Reserve.
	Now, tell me if I'm wrong, but I've been following this and following your reportage and others.
	He said, I'll give it to you at about 10%, 9% off.
	Then even some of the oil companies and the people that would distribute it on the East Coast, they said, no, how about 60% off?
	So that's what they ended up doing.
	Now Chavez has reversed and said, fine, if the oil companies say, if I cut oil prices, you're just going to restrict your production, fine, you won't let me do the deal, then I'm going to start taxing the oil companies a modest amount when you explore and develop here for my people, and it's a very small percentage.
	Now they're going even crazier.
	Yes, well, one of the things is he doubled the royalties on the oil companies.
	So obviously they weren't too happy about that.
	But on the other hand, they still keep 70% of the stuff, so we're 70 bucks a barrel.
	I was about to say before... They're paying 16%.
	In fact, they have some contracts, 1% royalty.
	1% royalty.
	I mean, this is starvation for these people.
	So he's building nations.
	He's also lending it to nations like Ecuador, etc.
	Because what he says is we have to eliminate.
	One of the reasons why they're out to get him, he says we have to eliminate the IMF.
	We have to replace it with the International Humanities Fund.
	He said the International Monetary Fund is basically a financial dictatorship.
	And it is killing.
	And you've got their own documents on that?
	Yes.
	In fact, in the book I have the documents that were just an absolute wipeout for the nation of Ecuador.
	And it wasn't Ecuador.
	Basically, this was to help out these bond speculators.
	Everyone knew these guys were a bunch of criminals.
	But the IMF was backing up these bond speculators who were demanding a bonus payoff from Ecuador.
	And the president of Ecuador met with me.
	He said, if we pay this level of debt, I mean, our nation is destroyed.
	If we're dead, who's going to pay them off?
	I mean, it's going to destroy our nation.
	But you have the IMF World Bank documents.
	Joseph Stickels, their chief economist, went public.
	In there, they say it's about destroying countries.
	They say it's about creating poverty.
	Because, again, these elites are monopoly men.
	It isn't about a free market, ladies and gentlemen.
	They're not free market.
	What's a free market?
	What's a free market?
	Just like General Smedley Butler said, war is a racket.
	He said, I was a highly paid mercenary who was sent into these countries for big moneyed interests.
	So understand, they're threatened by you having a good economy.
	They're threatened by you being solvent.
	Look at it here in the U.S.
	Everything is designed to get us into debt.
	This is a predatory economy.
	Can you speak to that?
	Yes, absolutely.
	There is a section in there.
	You have to understand, King Abdullah has lent us a trillion bucks out of Saudi Arabia.
	Lending back our own money.
	We get charged big time.
	Think of it as an oil tax at the pump, which goes out through Exxon, out to Saudi Arabia, and back.
	Now, as you know, the Koran prohibits the charging of interest.
	But King Abdullah doesn't mind grabbing a big pound of flesh from us.
	And also the Chinese are big, big lenders, about almost two-thirds of a trillion dollars at this point.
	And the result is these extra high interest rates in the U.S., which has been killing off the auto industry, killing off the airline industry.
	And you have to understand, these are unionized, high-wage industries, which are now becoming low-wage industries.
	And frankly, that's mission accomplished.
	These guys aren't shedding a tear.
	Why don't they stop it?
	They're not shitting it to you.
	Why not cut the deal with Chavez?
	Cheap oil, lots of it.
	Tell the Saudis to go fly.
	But instead we got our president chauffeuring around King Abdullah and his golf cart at the Crawford Ranch.
	Now, the globalists are long-term players.
	These deals that we still live under were made in the Middle East over 80 years ago.
	That's right.
	When Mohammad Mosaddegh, man of the year time magazine, humanitarian poet, pro-America, kicked the communists out of his country.
	Comrade Roosevelt, before he died, went on NPR and admitted that our government carried out terror attacks in Iran to then blame it on Mosaddegh.
	They put him on house arrest, cut his minister's heads off.
	Can you speak to specifically what happened in Iran?
	Man, that's a grim situation.
	In the 1950s, Mosaddegh, the elected president of Iran...
	We're good to go.
	The horrible thing is... It's in my new film.
	The Shah of Iran who took over actually didn't want to overthrow the elected government.
	He was scared.
	So the CIA said, what we have to do is activate the Islamic mullahs who have been out of politics.
	Activate them and convince them that democracy is un-Islamic.
	So that's right in those documents at the National Security Archive.
	And that goes back to the Muslim Brotherhood over and over again.
	So what they're doing is, we created, the CIA created this fanatic Muslim anti-democratic bent.
	It was a creation to get rid of the elected government, which had taken over the oil companies, and now that comes...
	You're getting close on that one.
	Mad Mahmoud is part of the game.
	It's a Punch and Judy show.
	Watch.
	Alex, every time the price of oil gets towards $60 a barrel, suddenly Mad Mahmoud out there in Tehran says, We're going to blow up Israel!
	Or next time it drops, he goes, We've got bugs and bombs!
	And then if it drops again, Bush says, Oh, we're going to go get them!
	And each time, either Bush or Mad Mahmoud says something, the price of oil is up another $5 to $8 a barrel, you have to look at the timing of those statements.
	It's a Punch and Judy show.
	The guy that they're worried about is Chavez of Venezuela.
	Well, let's talk about that for a second, and then let's go back to it, Greg.
	Right.
	I mean, we know that our government allowed them to fly in Ayatollah Khomeini.
	We know Reagan then and Bush Sr.
	made backroom deals with him to get Jimmy Carter out.
	We know that they used him to attack the Serbs.
	And then Iran-Contra, I mean, my God.
	I mean, we literally gave guns to the Ayatollah.
	Do you think they're on secure sat phones, having briefings?
	I mean, how staged is it?
	I think it's extraordinarily staged.
	But I think also, I mean, you know, the other problem is that these things get out of control.
	And we have to be very careful about it.
	This is really playing with fire.
	Well, that's what the globalists do.
	That's what the Bushies do.
	They set people up.
	I know, but you know what?
	The problem is that we created this fanatic Islamic...
	Politicized force.
	Dangerous force.
	Which wasn't there before.
	They had an elected government of Iran.
	We overthrew them because he grabbed the oil fields and we empowered these maniac mullahs.
	Well, I mean, I actually looked the documents up and I have Kermit Roosevelt's after-action reports to 10 Downing Street like they're his boss and to President Eisenhower and he wasn't asking for that much of the BP oil.
	He was just saying, can we keep some of it?
	That's right.
	Same with Chavez.
	He said, look, let us keep...
	We want 30%, not 16%.
	And these 1% deals have got to go.
	And he said, that's the deal.
	You can't squeeze our nation.
	We can't be an oil colony forever.
	There are a million people living in cardboard shacks around Caracas.
	And so he charged you oil companies, and now you don't see those cardboard shacks.
	Same thing, Mexico City, 30-something million people, half of them living in cardboard boxes, folks.
	I've seen it.
	It's unbelievable.
	They've got all this oil wealth.
	And, you know, they've got to keep some... The problem is that for the average American, what are we getting out of it?
	They squeeze the oil.
	We're paying high prices to pump, high interest rates.
	Our manufacturing industries are going down the tube with this stuff.
	I mean, it is not for our benefit.
	So the economy is being looted.
	I want to specifically then talk about in the future.
	You've made really good predictions here.
	You said Chavez in the next month to two months.
	In fact, I've got the quote in my book.
	I can dig it out.
	Just type Greg Palast, Alex Jones, World Bank, IMF documents into Google.
	It will come up.
	You bet.
	I don't know.
	And what we're finding now is that the neocons are in twilight right now because they... Look, when they're trying to grab the assets of Iran, that was one thing.
	When they try to grab the oil fields without the permission of the oil companies and have their own scheme, they got slapped around big, big, big time.
	So you agree with some of the other inside experts we've got that there is a... A split.
	Starting to be a split?
	Yeah, there's a split between big oil and the neocons.
	The big oil has a big long-term picture.
	And, you know, they're not, big oil ain't talking about democracy in the Mideast.
	They're talking about controlling those oil fields and, as they use their phrase, enhancing OPEC, making sure that no one busts the quotas.
	You know, I'm looking, unfortunately, I would say the obvious thing for these guys to do is to assassinate the president of Venezuela.
	I mean, you know, unfortunately, that's an obvious thing for them to do.
	We are now in a virtual Cold War with all of Latin America.
	And there's Crips in a whole bunch of countries down there.
	This is a very dangerous business right now.
	Everyone's looking to the Mideast.
	Get ready, guys.
	The big Cold War, and we're not going to move in with the 82nd Airborne because those people will shoot back.
	It's not going to be like fun and games, like Desert Storm.
	So that's not going to happen, but it's all going to be through puppet coup d'etat action.
	And we cannot let a guy with bigger reserves than Saudi Arabia
	Start cutting deals that don't involve the oil companies.
	He's threatening Saudi hegemony of OPEC.
	And now he's got his own type of coalition or alliance down there.
	These countries are getting together.
	So what's the time frame?
	I don't know, because, you know, obviously the Big Oil guys, they didn't get enough information from them.
	I mean, I could only have so much access.
	But we know they're increasing troop levels right now.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm hoping that, you know, that one thing Big Oil does not like is too much turmoil unless they've set it off.
	And, you know, but again, playing with fire, you know, once you set up, once you start playing games with the Iranians,
	It can get out of control.
	I don't see how they can control these fires that they set.
	But hasn't Big Oil set Bushes and them up, kind of their wind-up toys, to take the fall later?
	I mean, they do that a lot.
	I mean, it is James Baker and Daddy and all them.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, I think that little George is going to... They're going to load all the negatives on him.
	The war, everything else.
	The war is going the way that they want it.
	Oil is at 70 bucks a barrel, but someone's got to take a fall.
	Well, they call it the strategy of balkanization.
	I have an Israeli document, 1983 Pentagon documents.
	2002, they said they want it broken into three or four parts.
	Now I hear NPR announcing this like it's some new strategy.
	Oh, we could break it up in pieces.
	They wanted sectarian division.
	They don't want any sovereign nations.
	Well, in fact, when I talked to General Jay Garner, as you'll see in the book, General Jay was our first vice for it that we put in charge, Alex.
	And in our manhouse, I actually met with him.
	And, you know, he was saying we could have had peace between these factions, but obviously they didn't want it.
	No, they didn't.
	Rick Powell, stay there.
	We'll be right back after this quick break.
	We will continue.
	There's so much in this book.
	I haven't read it yet, but just scanning over it, I think this blows, just from looking at it, the spectrum of data in it, I think this blows best democracy money can buy away.
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	It does?
	That's from the author.
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	We're going to talk about some of the nightmare stuff she's been doing just to hype her very communistic books that she pushes as conservatism.
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	Looking at this, there's so many things that you've done in this book that really impressed me.
	I've been scanning over it during the breaks.
	You tackle peak oil.
	I want to spend a few minutes getting into that, because don't liberals out there, or progressives, or conservatives, don't we all just want the truth?
	Don't we want to know the truth?
	Not some lie that we've accepted as the truth becomes some religious orthodoxy.
	Peak oil is a scam, is a fraud, is a hoax, and I'm sick of it.
	Can you specifically, as we end this hour,
	Speak to the evidence, the chapter in the book on this, and how now some of your grassroots people are now mad at you.
	Hey, folks, Greg doesn't lie to you.
	He does the research.
	I'm kind of stuck.
	I went into the peak oil situation just to see what that was about, and what I found is that it was basically put together by shell oil to convince us, number one, that oil is scarce, so it's got to be much more expensive.
	Because when they came out with peak oil, it was already down to a nickel a gallon and dropping.
	Shell was in a panic, so they announced, well, it looks like we've got a lot, but we're about to run out of it.
	The second is to convince you that we need to secure the supply.
	You mean raw crude?
	Right.
	Raw crude was a nickel a gallon.
	Sorry, start over.
	Yeah, but the gasoline is not.
	This is 1956.
	Exactly.
	And that we have to protect our, and that because it's scarce, we have to protect our supplies, which means the takeover of Iran, the overthrow of Mossadegh, the control of Iraq, the whole thing.
	Even a lot of conservatives, either they say, oh, we don't want the oil, see, it's not being pumped, well, that's artificial scarcity.
	Then the other camp of neocon, they're conservatives, because they're not real conservatives, they say, oh, yeah, we need that oil, peak oil.
	Conservatives have bought into it.
	Well, the other thing that's happening is that, look, I understand why environmentalists kind of like the idea of peak oil, because they say, look, we're running out, so we better move to something else.
	We better move to something else for two other reasons.
	Number one, it's filthy, okay?
	Number two is that we don't want to be oil slaves.
	We don't need to be oil slaves.
	This is a monopoly run by monopoly men and it gives incredible power to these cartels.
	But Greg, when you go to these young people... But the problem is I don't want to be an oil slave.
	I don't want to be sucking soot and have my kids suck soot.
	But that doesn't mean that we're running out of oil, guys.
	We have to tell the truth about this.
	We are floating in this stuff.
	Plus, it's designed to keep us in the oil monopoly and then transfer all of our wealth, using it as the only world currency, using oil as a world currency, forcing us to use that world currency, and then jacking up the prices so more and more of our economy goes into funding these guys, which then they put back into the till to get even more control.
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	That we're running out of oil.
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	Greg, I'm impressed.
	I mean, just flipping through your new book, Armed Madhouse, it is really impressive.
	And I can tell you right now, I do want to carry this.
	I mean, just for the peak oil chapter alone, you've got the documents on the oil companies.
	Let's shift gears to what George Bush and his handlers really are.
	I mean, I've interviewed Ann Coulter, and I would say, well, Section 802 of the Patriot Act says that all Americans are basically terrorists.
	And she says, no, it doesn't.
	You're a liar.
	And then she says, I haven't read the Patriot Act, but she wrote it.
	But she wrote several chapters in a book about it.
	I mean, literally, I have congressmen, senators, Nobel Prize winners on, the best journalists.
	I mean, I don't consider myself to be real smart, but I have a lot of smart people on, so I'm pretty informed.
	She was one of the stupidest people I've ever talked to, and they talked about how smart she was in all this, and then she attacks the widows of 9-11 just to get publicity, and she looks like this ring-wraith type...
	...type creature.
	And again, it's not about Ann Coulter, folks.
	It's about the fact that Time Magazine, everybody promotes her.
	Why are they promoting this monster who has said stuff like, we need to kill more innocent Iraqis?
	Well, it's more fun and games and distraction, Alex.
	Look, when Greg Palast goes on BBC television and says, here's the inside documents from the oil industry for Iraq, when I show you the documents on the theft of the election, when I show you the documents from inside the Homeland Security operations...
	Well, that's what you have on the world TV, but in the United States you've got Ann Coulter talking about the godless terrorists that were killed by the terrorists.
	So what happens is fun and games and distraction.
	It's info distraction.
	So she's meant to be over the top.
	She's a carnival barker.
	No, she's part of the game.
	Yeah.
	She's total distraction.
	You know, she's total distraction.
	Well, I never really talk about her.
	It's just that I read the... It's all lies.
	And, I mean, at the same time, there's a lot of horrible stuff liberals are doing, their establishment.
	I'm not a liberal, folks.
	I'm a paleo-conservative.
	I mean, I'm a constitutionalist, but by any yardstick, Bush...
	Well, I mean, what she is, is she is a front person for the control regime.
	What she is selling us is the whole, she's bringing back the whole fear agenda.
	That's what they are.
	These are fear salesmen.
	That's what they're trying to sell you.
	Be afraid.
	That's what they want you to do.
	Well, I am afraid of the government, not them.
	Yeah, but that's why I call the first chapter, Who's Afraid of Osama Wolf?
	They've got a guy in a cave who's out to get you.
	It's a game.
	Well, we have Buzzy Crongard, who was executive director of the CIA, telling the Times of London, Oh, we know where he is, but we don't want him.
	Did you see that?
	Well, you know, look, Clinton turned him down when they had him cornered in a cartoon.
	You know, you have to remember that...
	You know, once again, the guy that's holding all our lists is this guy, Derek Smith, who's chairman of Choice Point Corporation.
	By the way, he's now under investigation for insider trading for failing to tell his stockholders that his company had given out the 145,000 personal files to identity thieves, a ring of identity thieves.
	These are really nice guys, right?
	So, what's happened is that he said, you know, if we only had these lists of Americans, and your DNA, too,
	We could have gotten the hijackers when they came to the airports to check in.
	Well, guys, you know what?
	Hijackers no longer use their names, even if they lose their frequent flyer miles.
	I mean, it's unbelievable.
	They said, well, you know, they use their real names, and if we only had the big databases, we could have got them.
	Well, number one, they had those databases to begin with, so we know the NSA picked it all up.
	Bush spiked it with W1999.
	That's in BBC News, and still people are in denial, even when FBI agents go public saying, I was ordered not to stop these people.
	We have FBI agents on the record saying it, and I've got neocon talk show hosts going, Alex Jones manufactured all this.
	Do you ever get tired of having the actual admissions and documents, and then they're saying it doesn't matter, it doesn't exist?
	I know, they say, well, your unprovable conspiracy theories...
	They say it's the facts and documents we put on BBC television.
	My God, it's the number one stature network on the planet.
	What do you want from me?
	They still won't put it on.
	The New York Times said it's conspiracy material.
	Well, the New York Times tells conspiracies about aluminum tubes and yellow cake.
	They're the ones with reporters on the payroll of the government.
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	We're going to be taking your calls here in just a minute or two.
	And Greg's got to go catch a plane for a big event he's going to be having in Houston.
	My last question for you before we go to calls, and you can add anything else you'd like that you haven't had a chance to cover.
	Really, where is it all going?
	Will these guys ever get impeached?
	Will they go to jail?
	Because I've studied American history, I've studied world history, I don't claim to be a historian, but I know quite a bit about it, more than most, and I've never, and I mean this, folks, you know I hate Bill Clinton, attacked him ceaselessly, so did Greg.
	Will they get in trouble?
	I mean, all these guys have been serious crooks in the past, really since they killed Kennedy.
	And there were some crooks before them.
	But the wild level, I don't know if you saw this, Greg, but John Yoo, White House Counsel, says we can torture kids in front of their parents, crushing their... And I keep bringing that up on the show because he got confronted at a CFR meeting in Chicago.
	Even CFR members, the establishment guys, said, did you really say this?
	This is evil.
	And John Yoo said, yes, we can.
	I mean, it seems like... I think they were worried that he was saying it out loud.
	I don't understand.
	No.
	Their concern is, you know, listen, moron.
	If you're going to go crush people's hands, you don't announce that it's the policy.
	You know, I mean, these guys are like amateur torturers.
	But, I mean, kids, his White House memo was we can torture children in front of their parents, including, I don't want to say it again.
	The point is, is that that is Mingala stuff out in the open.
	That does scare me at a certain level.
	It shocks me that it's so over the top.
	Yeah, well, and in fact, I think that some of the establishment, there is this internal battle, we've talked about it, between Neocons and Big Oil.
	Big Oil wants a much more sophisticated approach.
	You know, I think they're getting a bit nervous about this stuff.
	And that's why I was picking up out of Houston and out of New York from the guys on the inside, that they were not too happy about some of this cowboy stuff that
	Well, you can see the media, for the first two years after 9-11, they gave Bush carte blanche.
	They thought he was getting away.
	Okay, the plan's working.
	And I think as they saw things get crazier and crazier, now the media's allowed to say a little bit more on little side issues.
	Is that to weaken Bush?
	Yeah.
	I mean, well, one of the things is to give a shot to him and make sure he doesn't play too many games with the neocons.
	I mean, you know, after all, Paul Wolfowitz was basically demoted.
	I mean, he was kicked out of the war room where, you know, where the little tinker toy Napoleons play with the toy tanks.
	And he was sent to be president of the World Bank, which in their world is a demotion.
	Of course, now as head of the World Bank, this guy has just been absolutely, totally monstrous.
	By the way, the New York Times has a glowing profile about how everyone loves him.
	I mean, you have no idea.
	I mean, he told Ecuador, if they didn't pay off these speculators, then he was going to choke the economy to death.
	And we've got Bolton at the UN.
	I mean, what's wrong with these guys?
	Well, but keep in mind, from the CFR's view, was thrilled that Wolfowitz had sent the World Bank and Bolton sent up to New York.
	As far as they're concerned, that was away from the centers of power.
	Well, I want to go to the calls because we're almost out of time, but the last thing that I thought of, the Cheney shooting, we did an investigation on that.
	He clearly shot the guy up close.
	He clearly was drinking.
	They then had to admit it.
	If anybody else did that, they'd be in big trouble.
	They wouldn't let the police in.
	Just give us, in a nutshell, your take on the whole Cheney shooting.
	Well, you know, one of the problems is, I mean, I was down here.
	I'm going to be investigating that, by the way, just so you know.
	I probably shouldn't even announce that on the air, but I'm going to get some more information.
	But all I do know is that, absolutely, I mean, what the heck is this?
	Someone gets shot, and I don't care if the guy's Vice President of the United States.
	What do we now have?
	We now allow personal executions by our...
	By our leadership, I guess guns also write some type of law that says that, you know, that as long as the vice president is packing, whatever he does is okay.
	I mean, it's gone completely bonkers.
	Well, just so you know, I've done a lot of bird hunting.
	He wasn't the 90 feet away that they claim because even with the most high-powered shotgun load, it doesn't go into the heart at that range.
	It might go in half an inch.
	So it's just total baloney.
	Let's take a call here from Mike in New York.
	You're on the air with Greg Palast on Genesis.
	You guys got me all worked up now.
	Okay, Mike.
	Greg, here's the thing.
	September 11th, my understanding is Breda's Corp out of Argentina had to deal with the Taliban for taking the oil pipeline through that country of Afghanistan.
	Unical.
	Unical, correct.
	And obviously after September 11th, I also understand that Unical...
	During that time frame was lobbying Congress.
	I always call them UNICAL.
	It's stuck in my head.
	Like UNOCAL, I guess, right?
	U-N-O-C-A-L?
	Yes.
	They were lobbying Congress to establish some foreign policy because they actually wanted the deal.
	Obviously, September 11th came.
	British Corp's contract with the Taliban was null and void, obviously.
	And UNICAL won the day.
	They installed the Karzai.
	I guess he was on the board with UNICAL.
	Yeah, he was on the board, and then he becomes the puppet president.
	That was all staged.
	Right.
	And keep in mind that the deal that was brokered between UNICAL and the Taliban was brokered by Khalilzad, who is now the U.S.
	ambassador.
	And when you say ambassador, you have to understand this guy is basically the dictator and overlord of Iraq.
	...to Iraq.
	What about Ahmed Chalabi?
	He was at the Bilderberg Group meeting last week.
	I mean, he can't even go to a bunch of countries because he's a convicted felon.
	Yeah, he's a convicted bank swindler.
	Convicted bank swindler.
	I mean, you know, he wanted Interpol.
	I mean, this guy took down the Petrus Bank.
	Also, when Chalabi, that we installed...
	named himself oil minister in Iraq.
	We're still trying to find out what happened to about a billion and a half to two billion dollars worth of oil.
	That's right.
	These are crooks.
	Hey, listen, thanks for the call.
	I appreciate those fine points, Mike.
	Let's talk to Sarah Jo in New York.
	Go ahead.
	You're on the air.
	First of all, I just want to, from the onset, state my position.
	Yes, hi.
	I do not support Bush.
	But I'm rather tired of the idolization of Chavez.
	Anyone who's against Bush seems to be admired, and Chavez is not to be admired.
	I know you supposedly had a meeting with him and all, but I lived in Venezuela for many years.
	I have friends and family in Venezuela, even as we speak.
	The place is a mess.
	Chavez has done nothing except make it worse, okay?
	With other administrations, it wasn't the greatest.
	But it is in such dire straits.
	Well, listen, I'm not saying he's perfect, but he did give people back land that had been taken by oil companies.
	He's actually giving, with a deed, people their land.
	But he's a communist for that, but Bush is good with the Supreme Court ruling we don't own our private property.
	So I'm just trying to understand this.
	Let me just respond here.
	Number one, let's not fall in love with any politician anywhere.
	Obviously, Chavez is acting in his own interests, his own political interests.
	The fact is, and even the people who hate him and despise him down in Venezuela will say that he has turned those cardboard houses into brick and mortar houses and that people are, of all classes, are now way, way, way better off than they ever were.
	For the first time ever, an oil boom money is going back down to the people.
	Does that mean wonderful?
	Let me just understand this.
	Should we maybe make Pat Robertson Viceroy?
	What should we do?
	I mean, what should happen?
	You're saying that he's... They elected him, you know.
	He's the elected president.
	And so, therefore, you have to recognize... You know, for the United States to be clearly, deliberately trying to overthrow an elected president.
	And believe me, let's get away from the baloney that he wasn't elected.
	I went with his opponent.
	The guy's running against him for president.
	He's actually a nice guy.
	A guy named Julio Borges, I like his opponent a lot.
	But, you know, we went to a little town.
	We found one supporter.
	I went the next day to the very same town with the president.
	And you thought that Elvis had arrived, man.
	Ma'am, I mean, specifically, what's your point?
	What are you saying?
	What should happen?
	Well, the only thing I'm saying right now is that, like he said, Chavez is doing it for his own interest.
	And the people are not.
	They are taking land away from people.
	They're not giving them land and deeds.
	What they're doing is taking the people who live in the shacks up on the hills.
	Yeah.
	They're illegal immigrants.
	Well, I just think to give Chavez... You don't want to say an elected president, do you?
	No, I'm not saying that.
	But, you know, you say that they were not fair elections.
	I was down there for much of the demonstrations.
	I was down there.
	I saw the whole country.
	My point is that it's making the globalists mad.
	Okay?
	And, I mean, our government loves China.
	They've got mobile execution vans and public executions and sell organs.
	So Chavez, compared to them, he's much better than China and he's much better than our government.
	Thanks for the call.
	Do you agree with that statement?
	Yeah.
	I mean, China, we are cuddling up to the most bloodthirsty dictator in the planet.
	Yeah, I mean, North Korea is threatening to nuke us when we're giving them reactors, and Rumsfeld's involved in that, of course.
	Mike in California, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, guys.
	Hi.
	Two questions.
	One for you, Greg.
	One for you, Alex.
	Greg, what I hear, what I sense is that there's a...
	An effort to consolidate South America so as to cause problems for the New World Order.
	Can you comment on that?
	And Alex, can you comment on this?
	I think I heard it on your show where somebody was saying that you were agreeing that World Vision, this Christian organization, as well as other leaders like Pat Robertson, John Hagee, others,
	Yes.
	I appreciate your call.
	A lot of them are paid off.
	A lot of them are co-opted.
	Some of them are actual government operations.
	We have documents on that.
	You want to take that question and then answer his first one?
	Okay.
	Well, the first question about what's happening in South America.
	Hugo Chavez has said, we have to end the dictatorship of the IMF.
	The IMF has got to go.
	And we have our own documents saying we want to overthrow countries.
	So he's saying, you know, we can't operate this way.
	Right.
	We're basically being bled to death.
	But that means that he's had to take money out of the U.S.
	Federal Reserve and lent it into Argentina so that Argentina told the IMF to fly.
	He lent it to Ecuador.
	Ecuador told the IMF to fly.
	And he's lending, in other words, he's replacing the IMF with his nation's oil money.
	Now, they're not doing badly, because what happens is these nations, he lends the money to these nations, and they get up off the ground.
	He's actually made like 70 million bucks for his nation off the ground.
	Right, but they're independent then.
	What about using fake conservative Christian groups as government fronts?
	Well, yeah, I mean, that's the other thing.
	You know, I met with Pat Robertson,
	And I wore a wire then, too.
	By the way, the way I got around his metal detector, I told his guard, I said, could you hold my lighter for me?
	It'll just set off the alarm.
	And he gave it back to me.
	He didn't notice I didn't have any cigarettes.
	So Robertson told me, it's on tape, I'm not a televangelist.
	I'm a businessman.
	This is business, man.
	This is all about the money.
	He owned at one time like 30 TV stations, networks.
	I mean, the guy's billions.
	Yeah, you know, at least I figure he's worth a good half billion anyway.
	I mean, this guy, there is no... No, I mean, his assets are billions.
	Yeah, I mean, it's huge.
	And he's got, you know, Diamond Mind operating out of the Congo.
	You can't do that stuff.
	With slaves.
	You can't cut deals with guys like Mobutu without having CIA support.
	Hey, we're out of time, Greg Pallas.
	The new book, Armed Madhouse, already on the New York Times bestseller list in stores everywhere.
	I want to carry it.
	I appreciate you coming on with us.
	It's always great.
	And next time you kind of orbit through our area, I want to have you back in studio again, Greg.
	You got it, Alex.
	That was great.
	I think we covered a lot of the bases.
	Sorry, callers.
	I'll come back and go to you after the break.
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	You're the man, Alex.
	You're the man.
	No, no.
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	Kenneth in Louisiana.
	Sorry you couldn't talk to Greg.
	You're on the air.
	Yes, how are you doing, Alex?
	Good.
	People like Ann Coulter and John Hagee, their nationalism is internationalism.
	And what I'm saying is... They claim it's nationalistic to destroy America and get rid of our nationalism.
	Exactly.
	They're nationalists in name only.
	It's a wolf in sheep's clothing.
	It's a cloaking device.
	It's like dressing up like a cop and robbing a bank.
	These same people who don't like the terrorists, they were for the ANC in the 1980s to overthrow a white Christian government in South Africa.
	Well, they're there to overthrow any sovereign government, anything that's independent, whether it's good, bad, or indifferent.
	I'm not judging, saying whether Serbia's good or South Africa's good.
	The point is, something far worse is always brought in.
	That's it.
	All right.
	Anything else you'd like to add, Kenneth?
	No, that's it.
	Thank you so much.
	Good show.
	And while we're busy talking about all these issues, I know that...
	The transcript of the Greg Palast interview that we did back in 2002 in March was published in hundreds of newspapers from Italy to Caracas, Venezuela.
	And I knew that Hugo Chavez had sourced and used our interview in the media.
	I knew that it had been quoted on television.
	I didn't know that in a private meeting with Chavez that he had said that that interview was one of the things that saved him.
	Because we did it four days before.
	A day later, it went out as a transcript.
	We got millions of readers.
	Just on our site, it got, quote, web syndicated, posted on thousands of other sites.
	So, see, there we are having a difference, making a difference.
	And I'm not saying Hugo Chavez is perfect.
	But I think Greg Powell has got his head screwed on pretty straight.
	He impressed me today about how it looks like Ahmed Dinejad may be a globalist operative.
	At the bare minimum, he's playing along.
	And he's saying that Chavez isn't.
	They've had him at gunpoint on a helicopter about to kill him, and it got out in the news, so they had to release him.
	I mean, this is the type of stuff we're talking about here.
	Meanwhile, our government gives nuclear reactors to North Korea.
	They fire a test dummy missile that hits the U.S.
	six years ago.
	They cover that all up.
	It's in Japanese and South Korean newspapers, Senate reports, confirmed.
	But they're okay.
	They're fueling missiles right now to test fire missiles at the U.S.
	to supposedly plunge into the coast off of Alaska.
	I mean, firing missiles.
	Test firing them.
	Doing this.
	They're getting ready to do it again.
	This has happened.
	But they're okay.
	They're just threatening to nuke us.
	They've just got A-bombs.
	They've got hydrogen bombs.
	But they're okay.
	But we've got to go into the Middle East and we've got to bring, quote, democracy to the Iraqis when it's the opposite of democracy.
	They're bringing bedlam and genocide and extermination to them.
	We're going to break and come back and take more calls at 1-800-259-9231.
	And it looks like we're going to have William Rodriguez, one of the heroes of 9-11, on with us here briefly because he just got back from Malaysia giving a big speech to thousands about 9-11 being an inside job.
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	Paul, John, John, Mike, many others, your calls are coming up here.
	We're good to go.
	And he'll be at the 9-11 conference speaking as one of the key speakers on Sunday.
	I'm really looking forward to shaking this man's hand.
	And he's got some good news back from Malaysia.
	He's been traveling the world with Jimmy Walter, the philanthropist who spent over $7 million waking people up to 9-11 being an inside job.
	Good to have you on with us, Mr. Rodriguez.
	Thank you, Alex, and I'm so glad to.
	Greetings from New York.
	I'm actually, like I said, back from... Yeah, he's on a computer phone, and when you get him connected again, tell him to turn, to get the back off his phone.
	It's distorting.
	You've got to love these IP phones.
	We've tried them here at the office.
	They're okay.
	You save a lot of money with them, but they're just not as good as a regular phone line.
	A lot of guests try to do it, and it's fine.
	But we will get him back on.
	Were you able to get him back?
	Okay.
	Again, we're going to talk to him just a few minutes and then take some calls even while he's on air with us.
	This is real news, folks.
	We're bringing you all these guests that have traveled the world.
	We're bringing you these experts.
	We're in studio making TV reports out of the live radio shows.
	We're reaching millions of people.
	This is so exciting.
	Alex, I tell you, it was the best.
	Boy, this is getting a little suspicious.
	Call him and see if he's got an alternate phone number.
	While we're doing that, I'm going to talk to Paul in Vancouver.
	Put Paul on the air.
	Paul, you're on the air.
	Welcome.
	Yeah, sorry to change the tone there, but I just wanted to touch on the North American Union.
	I'm from Canada, and I actually think it's a good thing.
	Well, it's the first step in the Pan-American Union, but tell me how it's a good thing.
	By the way, the people pushing it that have set it up are total dictators.
	They want a dictatorship.
	They want command and control.
	It will be an added layer of bureaucracy.
	And under these international bodies, you don't have the free speech, you don't have the constitutions, but you think that's a good idea.
	Tell us why, Paul.
	Okay, well, I'm no expert, and I've learned a lot from you, listening to you in the past while.
	And about the issues.
	And the way I see it is Canada has the resources.
	There's oil like crazy, you know, but we still pay $4.50 a gallon here.
	Well, that's because you're under the crown, sir.
	It's free market.
	We can just buy the oil from you.
	That's right.
	How does an American union give you cheaper prices?
	Yeah, let me go.
	Canada has resources.
	Mexico has the manufacturing and the laborers, and USA is basically security and other resources, food, whatnot.
	Now, why put all our money into the Chinese economy?
	Why do it?
	Their ideology is, to me, sick.
	The Alex Jones Show would not be on if we were in China right now.
	Let me stop you and comment on what you're saying one point at a time, and I'm about to go back to William, but I just want to finish with your call.
	Number one, the very people that support China, the very people de-industrializing Canada and the U.S., the very people doing all of this are the very ones that want the American Union.
	So how do you come to the conclusion that a North American union is somehow going to help our economy and stop the shift to buying everything from China?
	Because we'll be investing, if we invest in our own state, our North American state, where we get all our manufacturing from Mexico.
	Sir, they're not going to do that.
	I mean, you're saying let's have an American Union and then let's do some good things.
	The people that are running the American Union are the ones that have set up the policy with China.
	Well, I mean, the Constitution hasn't been set, but we can make sure there are fair rules in place.
	That's not going to happen, sir.
	The people driving unions, the American Union, the EU, the Asian Union, are the ones that want to destroy our sovereignty.
	I'm going to put you on hold, and after William Rodriguez leaves us, we'll go back to you, because I'm not going to have William on long.
	I know he's busy.
	He just got back.
	William, give us the good news.
	You were there in Malaysia.
	Tell us about it.
	Great news!
	Actually, this is an exclusive from America, and you have the exclusive.
	We just got back from the International Islamic Media, the first one ever done in the world, and we were the official keynote speakers, and I tell you something, it changed the mindset of the Malaysian people forever.
	We was on TV every single day for the last ten days.
	Our video was presented in snippets,
	And William, I need you to back off the phone there.
	It's distorting.
	Now, doesn't Malaysia, I'm just striking out here in the dark because I forget, aren't there like 160 million people?
	That is correct.
	And not only that, remember, it's the largest Muslim country that has all three religions actually in there.
	They got Christians, they got Muslims, and they got Buddhists.
	And I tell you something, it was an historical, historical event because it was the first time they had a 9-11 victim
	Well, tell us who you talked to, what you presented.
	We talked, actually we did the conference with all the highest protocol people from the government.
	We're talking about the Minister of Foreign Relations.
	We spoke to Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad, who was the former Prime Minister of Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur, as a new progressive country.
	We spoke directly to people from their version of Congress, and
	The incredible thing that, after we went on every television show, on Friday, they have a hundred people in front of the American Embassy, just by themselves, actually asking, requesting that the 9-11 truth be told.
	They actually gave a paper to the Ambassadors.
	Well, I think what you and Jimmy Walter are doing, traveling the world, going all over TV, all over radio, all over print, getting top coverage from Venezuela to Malaysia to Europe, I think what you're doing is key.
	And so if half the Americans in major polls now believe 9-11 was an inside job, not that the government covered up or did something else, no, half of them now in a Zogby poll believe the government was involved,
	What are the numbers in these foreign countries you're going to?
	Listen, from here we're going to Indonesia.
	From Indonesia we're going to Australia, then Japan, then back to London, and then back to the United States.
	And then we have to go back to Venezuela where we started the whole trip.
	As you may remember, you got the exclusive as well from the Chavez government that they want to do an investigation about 9-11.
	So now we are having these international conferences
	That crimes against humanity happened on 9-11, and that the government of the United States did not do the proper investigation.
	So, with this presentation letter to the top officials of both these governments... Well, just a guesstimation, William Rodriguez.
	No, I'm here.
	Did he drop again?
	I'm here.
	Okay, good.
	Just a guesstimation, William.
	What percentage of the Malaysians do you think believe it's an inside job?
	I tell you, Easter, what they said on national television was the following statement.
	And don't take my word for it.
	Go on the internet, put William Rodriguez, 9-11, Kuala Lumpur, and you get all the information.
	He said that since we went to Malaysia, to Kuala Lumpur, the mindset of the Malaysian people about 9-11 has changed forever.
	And this is the national news.
	So, that will tell you that the mindset in general, remember, we are invited, invited by Saba Islamic Media, which is the biggest Islamic organization, to do this presentation, and like I said, it was historical, and now they want to represent us all over the Muslim world to take us around to tell the story.
	And, again, historical.
	Well, the globalists can't ignore this, and they're losing ground at every front, and we're trying to save lives, people.
	If we don't expose 9-11 as an inside job, they will continue to use it as a foundational event to push the domestic police state and the invasion of all these countries.
	William, I know you just got... And Alex, you said something very interesting, because now Malaysia, the government itself, said publicly that they are joining the World Against Terror.
	And what we explained to the people, directly to the people, was that they are actually being open to have the same violation of civil rights as it happened in the United States.
	Wow, so you're also there defending their freedom.
	Certainly, governments worldwide have been using 9-11 themselves to set up police states, so you're really defending freedom globally now.
	How many countries have you been to, William?
	Oh, forget it.
	I love to count, Alex.
	But you know what?
	I want to tell the audience to please come on
	This weekend, because if they haven't heard my story, they are for a big awakening.
	Well, William, it's going to be sold out in the next 30 to 45 minutes.
	We've only got like 30, 40 tickets left when I checked a few minutes ago.
	So it's going to be an overflow, biggest 9-11 event the U.S.
	has ever seen.
	And it's going to be great having you there.
	You're going to be speaking on Sunday.
	Again, I can't wait to meet you.
	I know a lot of other folks can't wait to meet you.
	And we're going to see you there.
	Anything else you'd like to say in closing?
	Again, in closing, this is a unique opportunity that the audience have to see the last survivor of 9-11 to speak publicly in the United States because I'm actually closing all my engagements in the United States since I am so involved in doing outreach in other countries.
	So this is a unique opportunity, and if they want to do it, it has to be on the Alex Jones.
	That's incredible.
	William, thank you for spending time with us today.
	Get some rest.
	When did you get in from Malaysia?
	I just got it last night.
	All right.
	Well, thank you so much for spending time with us, and I will see you in Los Angeles on Saturday and Sunday, my friend.
	You got it.
	All the best.
	God bless you.
	Bye-bye.
	Oh, William?
	Yes?
	Tell Jimmy, I've got to email him, Jimmy and I are going to be having a meeting.
	Well, just next time you talk to Jimmy, tell him I need to talk to him.
	Jimmy just arrived to San Francisco, so I will make contact with him so he can call you today.
	Sure.
	And you can arrange anything for Friday.
	Thanks a lot.
	I'll see you, bro.
	Take care.
	All the best.
	Bye.
	Bye-bye.
	What a wild show.
	We have people on who've been grabbed by the Bilderbergs, by National Security in Canada, and interrogated in a secret facility.
	We have Greg Pallast on.
	And then we shift gears with William Rodriguez.
	Paul, I'm going to go back to you in the final segment if you want to hold from Vancouver.
	I want to be fair to these callers.
	Let's go to Mike in Arizona first, then Joe in Wisconsin, John in North Carolina.
	Mike in Arizona, thanks for holding.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, Alex.
	You know, I was planning not to go to this event in L.A.
	I just didn't get so many things going on.
	But listening to William Rodriguez...
	That guy really is a hero.
	What he's done... You better buy tickets as soon as you get off the air.
	I know.
	I'm trying right now.
	I've just got to go to this thing just to meet him and possibly meet you.
	The interview you had earlier on with this fellow who got detained in Canada, there are a lot of ways to interpret that.
	I just wonder if that wasn't all about just intimidating the Alex Jones...
	I have a feeling these people have the ability to tap into this guy's communications.
	They would have known if he posed any threat.
	I think they wanted to happen exactly what did happen, which was his story to go to you.
	And then to be broadcast out to all the listeners about Jones.
	Exactly.
	It's meant to intimidate us.
	But see, they're in an old paradigm.
	It isn't going to work.
	We're going to expose them as tyrants.
	Yeah.
	And you had a lady on last week, and you were a little bit rough with her, but I understand the point she was trying to make.
	She was trying to say that it was, how do I communicate with my friends?
	They make me feel crazy, and women are...
	Very social creatures.
	They like to do things in packs.
	I'd like to see five other people doing the same thing around them.
	It's harder for them, I think, even than for men to stand up and expose themselves to ridicule, even when they know they're dead right.
	But that's what we have to be willing to do.
	Like the old prophets in the Old Testament, you have to, in the face of people spitting on you,
	When you know you're right, you have to be willing to get in there.
	It means nothing to me when idiots say horrible things about me and attack me and write hit pieces.
	They think they're hurting me.
	It only helps me.
	I don't know.
	I remember maybe 10 years ago, getting griped at hurt me a little bit.
	Now I kind of like it.
	I mean, is there something wrong with me or something?
	I just don't care.
	Yeah, I know.
	You have to be a lot like Jesus was.
	I mean, he didn't beat people over the head with his message.
	He told them once.
	Well, that's the big thing.
	A lot of people expect someone to wake up right then.
	No, no, no.
	It happens later.
	So, at any rate, I'll just get on to your other callers.
	Sure, get your ticket.
	I want to meet you, Mike.
	Yes, sir.
	Mike's been calling in for years.
	He's a medical doctor.
	All right, I like him.
	Let's talk to John in Wisconsin.
	Go ahead.
	You're on the air.
	Or Joe in Wisconsin.
	Excuse me.
	Hey, Alex.
	Hi.
	Yeah, you know that feeling that you were saying that you get?
	That's picking up flack.
	You're definitely over the target.
	And I've been getting my own flack.
	You know, police have been going a little bit overbounds.
	But, anyway, there are two things that I wanted to...
	Communicate.
	I'm taking it personal in this whole thing and I'm changing majors to amass communications just so it can be more effective and to have tools necessary to explain to people things that are going on out there.
	I've already got my electronics associates, which is basically useless, so I don't feel really bad about that.
	But the other thing is I did launch that website, and what I want to devote it to is an alternative media outlet.
	And if you have an overflow story that you can't fit on your website, I would talk to your webmaster, and you would send me a clip of file or whatever, and I would post it or something.
	So that's something that I would do.
	You better have a lot of bandwidth.
	Okay, what's your website?
	You want to plug?
	Go ahead.
	No, it's one of those ugly URLs.
	But anyway, one of the things I was going to comment on was, do you remember back in the early 90s, late 80s, when they used to have media that would detail these kind of New World Order things?
	Like the Rollerball, I know you're familiar with.
	Yeah, they used movies to... Yeah, there's one in particular called Fortress, and it starred Christopher Lambert.
	Yeah, I've seen it.
	It's pretty good.
	Yeah, and...
	What I want to do is I want to collect up little bits of media and clips like that and just put it in a playlist for people to watch.
	And it'll be like an auto-feeding loader and it'll stream directly off of YouTube so the bandwidth will be incredible.
	That's exciting.
	I appreciate your call.
	I'm going to come back and let Paul and John finish up.
	We just have time for two more calls.
	We'll be right back.
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	I'm not trying to be mean to Paul in Vancouver.
	I held him over so we'd have time to talk.
	But I run into people sometimes who just go, well, couldn't this be a good political policy?
	Wouldn't it help this, this, and that?
	And it does the exact opposite of what he's saying it would do.
	By their own admissions.
	I mean, I've actually researched this.
	I've seen their policy reports.
	I know...
	What globalization does.
	It's not good for the average person.
	It's not good for country sovereignty.
	The last thing we want is a North American Union that leads to an American Union.
	Or the Pan-American Union.
	And the people are just now learning of its existence when it's already 70% complete.
	But finish up, Paul.
	I mean, I'm just confused by your call.
	Well, I mean, the way I see it is every store I go to, every, you know, I look on the back of the box and it says Made in China.
	Okay, this is the issue here.
	Why are we pumping so much money?
	Why not put the money into our own area?
	What does an American Union have to do with that?
	Economically, we would merge our economies together.
	You still buy the stuff from China.
	You just add a whole new layer of bureaucracy, sir.
	It has nothing to do with getting products made here.
	You do that by demanding American or Canadian made.
	You do that by not buying the DVD player that's $10 cheaper.
	You do that by exposing the trade deficit.
	Well, the way I see it is the governments are falling apart here.
	There's so much decay inside.
	Well, that's by design, sir.
	The very people that want world government are the ones that have hijacked our governments.
	And basically... You understand the bad guys run global government?
	I appreciate your call.
	Call me back tomorrow.
	We can talk more about it, sir.
	Let's talk to John in North Carolina.
	Last caller.
	Go ahead, John.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Hey, Alex.
	I'm going to go ahead and apologize early.
	I'm on an IP phone, so if it drops out... That's okay.
	Go ahead.
	I wanted to ask you something about a subject nobody talks about anymore, and that's the anthrax mailings of 2001.
	government sent those.
	U.S.
	It's part of the record.
	Oh, yes.
	I'm quite aware of who sent those.
	They were on Cipro weeks before it even showed up.
	The White House, U.S.
	government strain from Fort Detrick, Maryland, coded in bentonite, and it just goes on and on.
	I thoroughly believe you.
	The reason my question was...
	This case with Stephen Hatfield and his volunteer former federal prosecutor, Thomas Connolly, helping him out, is this just the government's way of paying him for the job well done?
	No, they go after an innocent person knowing that it'll be a dead-end trail.
	It's like Janice Karpinski, the general over all the camps.
	She wasn't allowed into the wings that were CIA contractor run.
	Then they tried to burn her with it.
	The media does an investigation, finds out she's innocent.
	They just put us off on a trail.
	I know he's not innocent.
	How do you know that?
	I was one of the victims.
	I can tell you what Ottilie Lundgren and Kathy Nguyen have in common.
	I also have it in common with them, and Stephen Hatfield was stalking me afterwards.
	You're kidding.
	No, sir.
	Well, do me a favor.
	Send me some information on that, and if you've got documentation, I'd like to have you as a guest, okay?
	Okay.
	Do you have an email address I send it to, or...?
	Yeah, we'll put you on hold and give you an email address that isn't as heavily trafficked, okay?
	Thank you for the call.
	I, uh...
	We know the name of an Israeli operative that worked at the lab, who had signed into those areas where he wasn't supposed to be, where the anthrax was, and all the evidence we have points away from Hatfield.
	Okay, so, I don't know why Hatfield would, who they claim was making it in a bucket.
	It took a huge factory to make this stuff.
	That's part of the record.
	Whole other issue.
	I'm out of time.
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