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Air Date: Dec. 14, 2004
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In his discussion with "Ed" from California, Alex Jones covers topics such as government corruption, drug trafficking, civil liberties violations, and media complicity in covering up these issues. He discusses the connection between the drug war and police state measures introduced in both the US and UK. The show also mentions the death of investigative journalist Gary Webb, who exposed government complicity in the drug trade with the CIA. Ed claims there were recent death threats against Webb and suggests his death should be investigated as a potential murder. Finally, the program promotes a video titled "Sheltering in Place: Surviving Acts of Terrorism from Biological, Chemical, and Radioactive Fallout," which provides information on how to prepare one's home as a shelter during times of crisis."

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	Big Brother.
	Mainstream media.
	Government cover-ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	It is Tuesday, the 14th day of December, 2004.
	Ultra-massive broadcast lined up for you today.
	We'll get into the latest death numbers of our troops in Iraq.
	New scandals concerning torture, not just in Iraq, but also Afghanistan.
	The Fed to raise interest rates, what's happening with the economy.
	But a large portion of the broadcast, we also have Paul Watson joining us in an hour and a half,
	I'm going to cover the worldwide news and give us his news analysis.
	It's always excellent.
	But in the first hour and a half, we're going to predominantly focus on Pulitzer Prize winning author, researcher, San Jose Mercury reporter, Gary Webb, who we now have gotten the details.
	The police report, all of it.
	He was shot in the face with a shotgun.
	Clearly murdered.
	Oh, but conveniently, the police say it was a suicide.
	Well, since we learned of this yesterday morning, and the world learned of it yesterday morning, that he had been killed in his home the night before, the morning before, since we learned of this, I've talked to Selly Castillo, I have talked to Chico Brown, who was Free Ray Ricky Ross's
	Well, one of his top business partners, Freeway Ricky Ross, the biggest drug dealer on the West Coast for the CIA.
	And you see, I'm one of the few people that's interviewed Freeway Ricky Ross, not on this radio show, but for an upcoming film that I'm involved in called American Drug War.
	Well, last night, the producer of the film called Freeway Ricky Ross...
	In the federal prison he's in, in the panhandle of Texas, up near good old Tulia, where he's not allowed to have interviews.
	Even Texas Monthly has trouble getting him to see him.
	And I've interviewed him over the phone before from there, for the film.
	And he learned from Kevin Booth, the producer of American Drug War,
	That Gary had recently been telling him that he was on to new information concerning the CIA and drug trafficking.
	And that men, he'd pulled up to his house and two men were up on his balcony.
	Two special forces types.
	They jumped off the balcony and ran away.
	He was being followed.
	He was being threatened.
	But the police, of course, will say it is all suicide.
	Just like Princess Diana says, they're going to kill me in the next few months, they've told me, in a fake automobile accident.
	That's how they're going to kill me.
	They killed my lover.
	They murdered him.
	Now they've said they're going to kill me.
	Or, Dr. David Kelly, whistleblower, says if I don't shut up, they're going to kill me and I'll be found dead in the woods.
	Told two different colleagues that that have gone public.
	Mainstream news, but again, back of the paper.
	We're not going to let the memory of Gary Webb go down in some type of shame like he committed suicide.
	This is unbelievable.
	But it's par for the course with what we've seen.
	Police officers that expose Oklahoma City get stabbed 13 times and have their throats slit and have torture marks and handcuff marks on them.
	And it goes on and on.
	We're tired of it.
	I mean, they've got medical examiners that will say, well, you've got severed limbs and torture marks head to toe.
	And they'll say, oh, suicide.
	Arkansas.
	Gary Webb, unrecognizable, face blown off.
	By the way, a shotgun doesn't do that up close.
	It has to be at least from a few feet away.
	That's how the pattern works.
	They blew his face off, and then put this note on the front door.
	We'll be right back.
	Stay with us.
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	It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
	So, the award-winning Pulitzer Prize winner, author of the best-selling book, Dark Alliance CIA Drugs series, dead of reported suicide, shot in the face with a shotgun.
	Now, it was a little more obvious when people would commit suicide with two gunshots to the back of the head, which is kind of hard to get the rifle to the back of your head, and then it's impossible, basically, to shoot yourself twice in the back of the head.
	But, uh... We have now learned some new developments.
	I have interviewed Ricky Ross.
	Freeway Ricky Ross.
	Who was selling 25...
	$25 million worth of cocaine a day.
	$25 million of cocaine a day in California distributing across the West.
	Openly taking delivery from the Central Intelligence Agency.
	And Gary Webb won the Pulitzer Prize.
	Then the media, the establishment, tried to discredit him.
	He was successful in disproving their claims.
	He had just recently been able to disprove everything they were saying and had been vindicated.
	And he had recently told Freeway Ricky Ross via telephone in his federal jail cell in North Texas...
	That there were men up on his balcony when he pulled up at home, jumping off and running off, that he was being followed, that he was being threatened, and then he supposedly shoots himself in the face with a shotgun.
	He was moving.
	He had movers coming to his house, was moving, and just had a divorce.
	That's when the CIA likes the strikes.
	They have the convenient narrative, the story.
	Oh, he was depressed.
	We're good to go.
	We're good to go.
	The former head of the biological weapons program at Porton Down, then the head British UN envoy to the inspectors, saying that it wasn't true, Saddam couldn't hit England in 45 minutes, notice with chemical or biological weapons, that there weren't any weapons of mass destruction.
	He then told an American and a British colleague, they're going to kill me, I'm going to be found dead in the woods if I don't shut up, and then he's found dead in the woods,
	With three undigested sleeping pills that wouldn't have killed him, by the way.
	Would have taken dozens.
	Undigested.
	Somebody put them down his throat.
	Undigested.
	Sitting in his belly.
	Sitting in his stomach.
	With almost no blood at the scene.
	He supposedly died by slitting his own wrist.
	And there's almost no blood at the scene.
	And one of the local constables, when they were out looking for him, because he'd come up missing the night before...
	That morning when they came upon the body from about 100 yards, they described seeing men in black uniforms who looked like military men.
	You know, the short haircuts, muscular.
	And then they walked off from the dead body, and the constable went up there and didn't chase them.
	Obviously intimidated by them.
	And then they called in the police, and oh, it's a suicide!
	Men with shaved short haircuts standing around the body.
	No blood to speak of, the paramedics said.
	Tells people they're going to kill me and put me in the woods.
	I mean, what more do you need?
	A videotape of them killing him?
	Princess Diana, months before her death, says they're going to kill me.
	They've told me.
	Charles is going to kill me in a fake auto accident.
	This is mainstream news.
	They're going to kill me in a fake auto accident.
	And then a few months later, when she's pregnant with the shopping mall tycoon's child, and the British royals weren't about to let her be pregnant by anybody who wasn't royal, much less an Arab.
	Very upset about that.
	Think of the scandal.
	She thought she could just rebel and do whatever she wanted to get back at him.
	Didn't work that way.
	Her car, her Mercedes, got stolen the week before.
	And when it gets returned, all detailed and nice, no questions asked, her security detail just says, oh, it got returned, we'll just take it.
	Wonder why.
	And then the cameras all turn off two minutes before the wreck.
	And then it plows into the pillar, the underground tunnel, and then they sit there for an hour.
	The paramedics just sit there, and you see the
	Surveillance cameras, and they turn back on, her legs moving and twitching, and it looks like people are inside holding her down, and she has a little problem.
	And she gets loaded in the ambulance, and they drive 25 miles an hour for another 45 minutes, and she dies at the hospital.
	And right as she gets there... Oh, no, she wasn't killed.
	I mean, people can say, they're going to kill me.
	They can specifically say how they're going to die.
	They can name who is going to kill them.
	And then when they're murdered, the authorities say, oh no, it was an accident or it was a suicide.
	This is unbelievable.
	And the cowards in the media and the cowardly police and the cowardly medical examiners, they just go and rubber stamp it.
	They've got a problem, though, because the paramedics in the Kelly case are saying, no, this guy had been brought there.
	We've seen what happens when people slit their wrists.
	There's blood!
	There's blood!
	They've got a problem with saying all the voice recorders and data recorders were destroyed at the World Trade Center site because firefighters are going public and saying it's all a fraud.
	By the way, the FBI's threatened us.
	They've got a problem.
	Some people have got courage.
	Some people speak up.
	Some people get involved.
	Some people have spinal cords and aren't jellyfish.
	And I'm not going to stand here and let them besmirch the memory of people they kill, like Dr. Kelly and Gary Webb.
	I'm not going to sit here and watch these heroes fall and then not give them their due.
	Gary Webb deserves to be buried in Arlington Cemetery with a monument there for standing up and never backing down.
	And I know they've got patriotic cemeteries in England.
	Dr. David Kelly deserves to be buried there.
	We're doing what's right.
	I'm not going to sit here and let them claim they commit suicide when it's not true!
	And again, I will never commit suicide.
	I've never thought of committing suicide.
	I would never want to commit suicide.
	Nothing would happen in my life that would make me commit suicide.
	So don't you, if they kill me, ever let the media say I committed suicide.
	I'm sick of it.
	And again...
	They have old technology, even the highway departments come out, federal transportation offices come out and say, oh yeah, we can remote control cars perfectly.
	And why, in the future, we may even make it to where your cars are controlled as you drive down the road.
	Or where there's little sensors on your car, and if there's an emergency, we can remote control and take control of your car.
	That will keep you from running into other cars or any type of obstructions.
	Covered that about a year ago when it came out off the government's own website.
	It's old technology.
	So the car, Diana's car, gets stolen a week before, gets brought back detailed, and her own security doesn't even...
	Her own royal security just, oh, it was stolen, but it was returned.
	Let's just put you in it.
	And so the driver gets in there, and everybody describes it as the car just suddenly veers right into the 13th pillar.
	In fact, it did it over 100 yards early.
	It isn't like it just suddenly veered.
	The car's driving, and it just...
	Veers perfectly and stays in a perfect line and hits straight on, dead center, into that pylon.
	Clearly it was remote controlled.
	Then it turns out the driver was not on drugs, was not drunk, was not on pills.
	Those toxicology reports are out public.
	But boy, when did you ever hear of somebody in a car, wasn't stuck in the car, just the front of the car was smashed,
	When you ever heard of somebody, them just leaving somebody for an hour in the car, there's the video of her legs flopping as they're leaning in over.
	They're going to kill me in a fake auto accident!
	Charles is going to kill me soon!
	He told me!
	Oh, the police, oh no, he's not a suspect.
	No, because you can't be a suspect.
	He's your royal, isn't he?
	No, royals never kill their families, never kill their wives.
	They never smothered the twins in the tower.
	Henry VIII didn't kill five of his wives and have their heads chopped off.
	No, they never do that.
	It never happens.
	I don't know when it doesn't happen.
	That's court intrigue.
	It's ridiculous.
	No, it's impossible.
	Royals do not have other royals killed when they're pregnant with Arabs' children.
	I'm sure Prince Charles was happy, and he was just going to let a foreigner impregnate his wife.
	And again, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that.
	I'm saying they weren't going to put up with that.
	But Gary Webb, ladies and gentlemen, new developments.
	And this was recorded, by the way.
	I talked to Kevin Booth last night, right before he was making the American Drug War film that I'm narrating and hosting.
	It's a big production.
	Been in production for a year.
	Going to be in production for another year.
	And he was going to call, or get the call, his weekly call from Premier Ricky Ross in prison, where Gary Webb got a lot of his information.
	And when he called him, he didn't know that Gary died, and that was all caught on tape.
	We'll air that tomorrow, perhaps even in the third hour today, if Kevin's able to get back to his office and do it.
	But he will be joining us in the next segment from the road.
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	It's Alex Jones, only on the GCN Radio Network.
	Alright, we've got some big breaking news for you.
	And we're going to be posting this on prisonplanet.com later this afternoon.
	We definitely need our great listeners to make a transcript of this interview from this point on.
	Kevin Booth is a documentary filmmaker.
	He's been working for the last year on a film titled American Drug Warb.
	And the website's AmericanDrugWar.com.
	The film will be coming out in about a year.
	He's interviewed basically everybody under the sun concerning the history of the drug war, who really controls the drug trade.
	And I am the narrator of the film and the host of it.
	And I have been involved in some interviews with Ricky Ross, known as Freeway Ricky Ross, the biggest public drug dealer.
	That is the biggest known drug dealer in West Coast history, upwards of, in some days, $25 million worth of dealing going on, linked directly back to the CIA.
	He was one of the main sources for Gary Webb, the Pulitzer Prize winning author of the book Dark Alliance CIA Drug Series in the San Jose Mercury News.
	And then, of course, he then wrote the best-selling book,
	Dark Alliance.
	He was shotgunned in the face, something that the major newspapers aren't reporting, but I have this from direct sources in Sacramento and some of Gary's best friends and associates.
	It's just unbelievable.
	He was shotgunned in the face, and then movers who were coming to the house found a note on the door saying, don't come in, call 911, call an ambulance.
	Yesterday, Kevin called me, and again, we've interviewed Ricky in the past, and he said, Ricky's scheduled to call me tonight at 10.30, because you can't call him at the federal prison he's in.
	They've moved him there from Victorville, Florida.
	Excuse me.
	From Victorville, Northern California, from that prison in Northern California, in Southern California, and again, we'll scratch that out of the transcript.
	Scratch that.
	We're trying to get all these facts together.
	Victorville in Southern California...
	To the panhandle of Texas, North Texas, where they do not let media in to interview Mr. Ross.
	So we've been doing it over the telephone.
	Kevin Booth was able to get the call last night and had the unfortunate job of breaking the news to Freeway Ricky Ross that Gary Webb had died from gunshot wound to the head, to the face, in very questionable circumstances.
	And now Kevin can reveal to us what Gary Webb via telephone had recently told Freeway Ricky Ross.
	Kevin Booth?
	Hey, Alex.
	We've got about three minutes before we hit break.
	Just tell folks basically who Freeway Ricky is and what happened in the conversation last night.
	Well, I guess, like you said, Ricky Ross, he just became known as the biggest crack dealer in West Coast history.
	The name Freeway came from the fact that he was buying up so much real estate along the Harbor Freeway in Los Angeles.
	And when he finally got put away the second time,
	He didn't know that the CIA was behind allowing him to become so big.
	Basically, it's not like CIA agents were supplying him with cocaine.
	It's more like he just couldn't believe he never got caught, and he couldn't believe...
	Well, people, I mean, in the Dark Alliance series and talking to Ricky, they had a go-between, but it was Contras directly shelling him, and then the Contras flying back were all part of the CIA operation.
	Right, it was all, yeah, all these big cartels.
	And so, you know, like you said, he was in the Victorville prison in New York,
	Right above Los Angeles there.
	The last time he spoke to Gary, which wasn't that long ago, he told me that Gary was still working on the story, that this was the kind of thing that Gary was never going to give up on because Gary felt like he could just keep going with this forever and uncover more and more people and exposing more names.
	But he did tell me that Gary knew he was being followed every time he drove somewhere.
	There was always cars following him around.
	He said he knew it was government people.
	Several times he came home to his apartment, a two-story apartment, late at night, and a guy would come shimmying down like a drainage pipe, you know, off of his balcony.
	And, you know, you could tell it wasn't a burglar.
	I mean, it was obviously somebody probably in his apartment rummaging around looking at documents or looking at his computer.
	And we talked off-air.
	It was described as kind of a special forces type, you know, really fast going down the pipe.
	Yeah, definitely.
	And, you know...
	So, on to, like, the whole suicide angle of the story, I mean, it's kind of like they did stuff to kind of freak him out, to intimidate him, to push him to actually being depressed, but, I mean, everybody I've spoken to, Ricky included, said there's no way, you know, that this guy would have taken his life, that he enjoyed life, he loved his kids.
	He was excited about the future.
	And, you know, people of South Central L.A.
	saw Gary Webb as a godsend.
	We'll be right back, Kevin.
	We've got a break.
	Stay with us.
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	Coming up in a few minutes, we'll be talking to Selly Castillo.
	Of course, the top DEA agent in Latin America, Central and South America, who was eyed witness to masses of drug deals by the CIA and by the Contras.
	And another one of Gary...
	Webb's sources, the Pulitzer Prize winning author of the Dark Alliance series and the San Jose Mercury News, then wrote the best-selling book, Dark Alliance.
	CIA drug trafficking.
	And the new developments, Kevin Booth, again, who's been interviewing, talked to him last night.
	I've interviewed him for the film as well.
	Talking to Freeway Ricky Ross, who was the person who was supplied with CIA cocaine and the biggest known drug dealer in West Coast history.
	Tens of millions of dollars a day going on for years and was absolutely untouchable, one of the major sources for the Dark Alliance piece.
	Kevin broke the news to Freeway Ricky, Ricky Ross, last night.
	And...
	Describe for us, Kevin, before we get back into the people that were rummaging through and up on his balcony and following Gary Webb around, according to Ricky Ross, how did Ricky take it when you described it to him?
	I know we're going to be able to play that on the air, but you weren't at your office when I called you for this broadcast this morning, and so we're not going to be able to have that until tomorrow.
	But, Kevin, describe that discussion for us.
	Oh, he took it really bad, you know.
	I mean, he thought of Ricky as a, I mean, he thought of him as like a godsend and that, you know, this guy, Gary put his life on the line to expose this story and that, you know, that he just thought it was really depressing.
	It really, just really made him sad and he said a lot of the guys there in jail who've
	We're familiar with the story, and a lot of people are going to be sad.
	When he came out with that story, a lot of people in South Central just kind of had a wake-up call, and it just all rang so true to them.
	One of the crazy parts of the story, too, is that, like I said, Ricky wasn't even aware of all this until he got put in prison and Gary Webb came out to try to
	To help him with his case.
	And that's when all this evidence started becoming uncovered.
	It was just like with me working on this film about the drug war.
	It's just like one thing leads to another.
	It just never ends.
	So you talk to one person and they lead you to another.
	And he just kept following this chain.
	And the chain, just because he finished that one book, it just never stopped.
	So my question to Ricky was like, well, the book is already out.
	Everybody knows all this stuff.
	So why kill him now?
	It was just a revenge thing.
	He said, absolutely not, because Gary was still hot on the trail, and he was never going to give up on this thing.
	He had just recently been vindicated.
	The establishment media had been trying to attack him with ham-fisted...
	We're good to go.
	Please repeat what Ricky told you Gary told him about people at his apartment and about being followed.
	He knew that he was being followed all the time.
	There are several instances where he would come home after working all day late at night and he would see a guy shimmy down.
	He had a drain pipe that went up to the balcony on the second floor apartment.
	What was the term, and again we're going to air this interview,
	Kevin, what was the term he used to describe them?
	I mean, why did he think that they weren't just regular burglars?
	I believe he described it as it was just so professional how they did it.
	It's so professional.
	What Ricky said, he just said that Gary said they were definitely government.
	That's all he told me, so I'm not going to put words in his mouth.
	But he just said that Gary had said these were definitely government people.
	So that was the term he used, was definitely government people.
	Yes.
	Unbelievable.
	Anything else he told you during this interview?
	I mean, I've been doing interviews before with you with Ricky, and he only gets about 15 minutes, and then the prison cuts him off.
	It's the only way we're allowed to interview him.
	They don't really let the media in to interview him, and you've actually had to contact lawyers and started proceedings concerning that because they're not supposed to be able to do that.
	Well, yeah, another part to the story I didn't know about was that, you know, after Chico and Ricky had gotten arrested that time, I guess there are some...
	This would blow Scarface, which is based on some real characters, out of the water.
	I mean, this is a film that needs to be made.
	And so that's another big piece of this.
	Anything they can to try to stop it.
	And, Kevin, I know that you're out taking care of errands right now.
	I hope that you can try.
	Let's be honest.
	I called Kevin this morning.
	He's out on the Greenbelt, beautiful weather here, down by the river, walking his two dogs.
	But, Kevin, do you think you can get back to your office and get that queued up by the end of the show?
	I'll try to.
	If you can't, it's okay.
	I don't know how to play it over the phone, though.
	You can figure it out.
	I think you can plug it into your... Well, just try to figure it out.
	If you can't, we can get it over here and get it uploaded to the computer tonight and try to get it or put it on the web in high bandwidth and we can download it and stream it that way.
	This needs to get out immediately for Gary.
	Kevin, I want to bring up Sully Castile.
	Now, Sully, again, was the top DEA agent.
	He's been all over the big national TV shows, foreign television.
	We've interviewed him many times.
	He's come to Austin and showed the pictures of the CIA drug dealers.
	He shows us the connection to Latin America, how that coupled through to people like Freeway Ricky Ross and the direct connection of the CIA...
	I've heard something to that effect, but I wasn't very sure on what actually did happen.
	But my whole point to this issue is the fact that you've got to remember one thing.
	Nobody's ever done a movie or a documentary on the Iran-Contra investigation, which involved the CIA involving drug trafficking.
	Now, Gary Webb at one point pointed to the assets that were heavily involved, and I myself pointed to actually the CIA officials
	Who were actually participating in loading and unloading and refueling the planes.
	You came to Austin and did a two-hour presentation and showed photos of them, documents, everything.
	Yeah, I got another hundred set of slides I'm going to bring over to Kevin Booth so he can put them on.
	Those slides do have the good, the bad, and the ugly.
	For people that don't know who you are, in a nutshell, tell us what you did and why you went public.
	Describe what you saw in Latin America.
	Well, you know,
	You've got to remember one thing.
	I am not an individual who comes off from the left or from the right, but I was reared as a very patriotic family, coming from a very patriotic family.
	We all served our country and so forth.
	When I joined the DEA, I thought that by putting my life on the line that I would make a difference.
	But it was there in Central America in my six years that I realized that we were the enemy.
	We were sleeping with the enemy.
	We were involved in drug trafficking and
	When I tried to expose the whole issue, I remember Randy Capster, a CIA official, saying to me, you know, nobody's going to listen to you.
	We've been doing this for years, and nobody's going to ever, ever stop us.
	And he was absolutely right.
	Nobody has stopped them from doing their drug trafficking worldwide.
	So you had CIA... And I saw DEA's participation in refueling planes
	And you had individuals tell you, hey buddy, you're never going to stop us.
	That's right.
	I had a CIO official by the name of Randy Capster, who was down there for close to seven, eight years, involved in these covert operations.
	And, you know, he was involved in
	And I have about an hour long video that's just full of clips of you on national television going over much of this in years past and they're unable to even challenge you.
	You've got to be worried a little bit about your safety, sir.
	Well, you know, recently, to be honest with you, I've had some vehicles follow me around and
	Uh, trying to, you know, I could tell their government, you know, uh, because of my experiences and how they, um, when you approach them, they turn their face and they're on the cell phone.
	But I've been under surveillance for quite a while now.
	But you're not afraid.
	You were a highly decorated sniper in Vietnam.
	But my point is this.
	Exactly.
	You know, I've, I've, since Vietnam, let's put it this way, I've been on borrowed time.
	So, hey, I've made my, my, my, um,
	My peace with God.
	Be it what be it.
	But I will fight until the end.
	And I will never, ever commit suicide.
	I want to say that too.
	I will never commit suicide.
	Kevin, you want to... It's a triple non-suicide pact.
	I will never commit suicide.
	Yeah, you know, we're in it for the long haul.
	We need to fight these people until the very end.
	And whatever we have available
	With what little we have, we need to continue fighting this because it's getting worse.
	And it's going to get worse before it gets better, if it gets better.
	Talking about Gary Webb, Sully, I mean, he's dead.
	Shotgun to the face.
	And they described his face from the sources.
	And you got a call just two hours after they found him.
	Well, I got a call from Michael Rupert who eventually he got his information right away after the incident.
	And, you know, he knew that there was a note had been left and so forth.
	And that he was planning to move that morning, had the movers coming in.
	And they found that note on the door.
	You know, allegedly that saying, do not come in, call 911 and call an ambulance.
	I mean, why on earth, if you're going to commit suicide, would you like to, you know, bring an ambulance if you shoot yourself with a...
	With a 12-gauge shotgun.
	Well, that sounds like the classic mafia activity, blowing somebody's face off.
	Well, you know what?
	To be honest with you, I really think, when I speak about government people, I speak about Felix Rodriguez and his goon squads that have been involved in all kinds of assassinations, whether it's foreign or domestic.
	You know, Felix and his group are very well documented as trained assassins.
	Well, it's like Barry Seale.
	They just marched up and machine-gunned him.
	Exactly.
	And they play in a couple of Colombians for that and so forth.
	But there's always people that are willing to take the fall for the agency.
	Unbelievable.
	Again, Steli, just for the record, tell us about your position in the DEA.
	Well, I was a senior agent in El Salvador.
	I mean, that's how serious the war on drugs were at that time.
	We had two agents covering the four countries in Central America.
	And, you know, I was assigned to cover El Salvador.
	Well, to be clear, I had read in mainstream media reports that you were described as the senior DA officer in Latin America.
	Are those incorrect?
	No, no, those are correct.
	You know, I spent my time in New York City and domestically, but I was the senior agent, and I was in charge of El Salvador.
	You know, we went out there and conducted these investigations.
	And so you'd signed on to fight drugs.
	When did you find out that it was the government controlling it?
	Well, from the very get-go, you know, I was, you know, when I got into Guatemala City and my country officer, Robert Stee, had said to me, you know, there's some funny things going on in Salvador and just don't step on anybody's toes and, you know, don't report anything and, you know, everything comes to me and so forth and
	Sure enough, my source of information was the guy who did all the flight plans for the Contra pilots that were heavily involved in drug trafficking.
	And it was very well documented of money being seized in the U.S.
	and drugs being seized in the U.S.
	that came out of Villapango.
	There's no doubt about that.
	And we ourselves refueled some of those planes
	With the anticipation of being seized in the U.S.
	when they arrived.
	Well, there have been cases where the local police bussed planes on airports.
	This has been in Esquire magazine.
	And the people flashed CIA national security badges.
	Terry Reed was there and saw the cocaine at Mena, Arkansas.
	I mean, there are countless people who have actually witnessed and seen all of this.
	And it's no secret.
	Yeah, well, you know what?
	The thing about it that indicates Gary Webb was the fact that the conscious story, the final report, Higgs, a CIA official, admits that they were sleeping with the enemy and that there was an agreement between the CIA and the State Department not reporting this incident.
	What's always interesting to me is for you to explain how
	Right.
	See, what happened was Ricky would not ask any questions.
	Because everything was funny to him on consignment.
	Why?
	So, you know, he cornered the market.
	It was like Wal-Mart.
	He was able, everybody came to him from all over the country, and he started major distribution points, and we saturated the country with cocaine.
	Well, I want to add this.
	The colonel who was the head in Latin America back in 1998 for all counter-drug operations was caught shipping in masses of cocaine and heroin into New York.
	And when I asked Barry McCaffrey about it, you know, he just literally turned red and couldn't talk, and the whole audience started clapping and laughing at him.
	And, I mean, that's another example.
	I mean, we've caught these people red-handed, Sally.
	Well, you know, we have a CIO official in Venezuela who shipped 1,000 keys of cocaine without the approval of the DEA, and then he was arrested and so forth.
	So there are instances that are very well documented that our government was heavily involved in drug trafficking.
	And there's no doubt about that.
	I mean, the final report acknowledged the fact that it did happen, and they turned a blind eye to it.
	Kevin Booth, anything else you want to add from the interview you taped last night?
	No, just, you know, I mean, how, you know, that I think Ricky was really sincere when he felt like a real loss with Gary's death, regardless of
	All right, Kevin, try to get back to your office and see if we can get that in the third hour.
	Thanks for joining us.
	We'll be back with Sully right after this break.
	Stay with us.
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	Skull & Bones was founded in 1832 with money from the British East India Company.
	Mr. Russell, who was over all opium sales in the United States.
	Ever since then, they've been in control of it.
	And the people that founded the CIA in 1947 were publicly members of Skull and Bones.
	They've always been drug dealers.
	It's the heart of their business, whether it's Afghanistan now with record opium sales and production, or Latin America.
	This is how it works.
	They send in the military to go after any competition that is producing poppies or coca leaves that goes against them, and that's the war on drugs internationally.
	So they can control the markets.
	Control competition.
	Then domestically, they bust the low-level dealers to put them in the prisons that the drug-dealing families, we've traced it back, own predominantly.
	So they bring the drugs in, and then when they get your kids using them, then they put them in their private prisons working for 18, 20 cents an hour and displace those jobs and then make money by having the slave labor.
	And then they use the pretext of the drug war to militarize the police and to fund the militarization and have them bust down your door.
	That's why I will never use any of these drugs, not to mention the fact they're bad for you and very destructive.
	I won't use the same big pharma companies are also linked to opium and cocaine.
	It's one big happy family.
	They also push their legal prescription drugs that are even more deadly than the illegal drugs on your children.
	And on adults.
	So the drug dealers, the criminals around the country, that's what tyranny is.
	When criminals get control of government, we call that tyranny.
	And that's been the norm in history.
	America had been a little bit different, but now we've fallen down.
	Sully Castillo, again, the senior DA officer in Latin America, is going to be with us into the next hour.
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	Sully, we're about to break, but in the next hour with Chico, what are some of the things you want to get into?
	Well, basically, the acknowledgement of the fact that, to affirm the fact that the CIA was involved, how the whole operation was run out of L.A.
	and Meneses and Blendon, how they were actually...
	Getting their supply from the CIA.
	And also, during the break, I said, have they broken in your house?
	And your comment was, hell yes.
	And you've done some things to be able to document that.
	Right.
	I, for example, will do the old-fashioned, the old-school type of stuff.
	I'll put, like, scratch tape on the beams of my door to find out if somebody actually came into my house or not when I was gone.
	And they've been broken, which means they were inside the house and
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	Shelly Castillo, the senior DEA agent.
	For Latin America, help contribute to a lot of Gary Webb's Pulitzer Prize winning work, exposing CIA drug trafficking, is here with us Chico Brown, associate of the biggest drug dealer in West Coast history, who is in prison, who we interviewed last night via telephone.
	We just gave you those revelations from the federal prison he's in in North Texas.
	Again, Chico Brown, the associate of freeway Ricky Ross.
	Gary Webb shot in the face with a shotgun, and he told Ricky Ross in a phone conversation that he would come home and men, obviously very highly trained, government types was his term, would shimmy down the drain pipe and run off.
	And we were just talking to Shelly.
	He gets followed.
	He's had people going into his house, taking photos.
	He's got CIA officials he knows was involved in drug trade.
	So he's come to town and gone over these documents publicly at public events and been on some of the local TV shows and been on this radio show.
	It's an honor to have him.
	Of course, he was a sniper in Vietnam, highly decorated.
	And he said it, hey, he's on borrowed time.
	It's up to God.
	And same here.
	We can't be cowards.
	We have to be men.
	If the men aren't men, we become slaves.
	Our women become slaves.
	Our children become slaves.
	To be free, men got to stand up to evil, to bullies, to criminals.
	Organized crime is seized control of the country.
	We're going to go to break and go to Chico here in a few minutes, but can you talk about the mentality of your courage?
	I mean, I wouldn't call it macho, Sally.
	It's just you're an honorable veteran of the drug war, veteran of Vietnam.
	You saw this happening.
	Tell us why you do what you do, and then describe for us the type of individuals, the sociopaths, that are becoming wealthy off this.
	Well... Off the drug trade.
	Exactly.
	Basically, you know, the way I was raised was, you know, you would talk what was right and what was wrong.
	And basically, I've always stood by that and was always doing the right thing whether, you know, I felt good about it or not.
	You know, I had to do the right thing.
	And when I got started working with the government, I realized that at the end of the day, we ended up being the enemy and the bad guys and the assassins and the murderers and everything else.
	And of course that, you know, blew my mind away.
	You know, I couldn't understand why one arm of the government was playing the so-called war on drugs while the other arm was sleeping with the cartels.
	And it was then and there that I realized that this is not the government that I thought I was going to be protecting and serving.
	And I realized that I had to do something.
	So I started knowing the fact that I would, in my career with the DA, which basically I did because
	Informing Washington and the ambassadors about the atrocities that were occurring in their countries.
	And even at the end when I left, my whole life was affected.
	I was looking for a job when I found that.
	And to me it was, you have to do the right thing and continue.
	And I did.
	I continued to talk about it after I left and documented it.
	One of the greatest things that's saved me, I think, has been my journals.
	I've documented just about everything that happened in Central America.
	And I was an avid photographer.
	We ended up taking hundreds of pictures of the before, the after, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
	And you were there at the bases while the DEA was fueling the drug aircraft.
	Exactly.
	We, you know, were running a covert operation, undercover operations, refueling those planes that we call the Islanders.
	They were being refueled there in Ilopongo or in Guatemala and with the anticipation that they were going to be seized in Texas or in California somewhere down the line once they crossed the border.
	And, you know, I started to question the fact that, you know, nothing would ever happen.
	So the DEA was part of those covert operations and saturated the whole country.
	And so for how long did you stay inside and covertly document?
	Well, basically for six years.
	I did that in Central America, even though I was warned that if I continued.
	So once I was warned to stop my reporting, I knew that I was going to go full blast with it.
	We've got a break.
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	Gary Webb, Pulitzer Prize winning writer for the San Jose Mercury News, who also wrote the best-selling book, Dark Alliance, was shotgunned in the face two days ago.
	And we talked to Freeway Ricky Ross from prison last night.
	They don't allow face-to-face interviews.
	He learned from us that he was one of the main sources for Gary Webb, that Gary had died, and said that Gary, the last time he talked to him, said he was being followed.
	All over the place by government people that he'd come home to his house at least twice.
	And government men with precision would shimmy down a small drain pipe down the back of his house from a two-story window and run off into the night.
	He was working on news stories.
	And Gary focused in his first series on the drug dealing in South Central, the connection to the Congress and the CIA.
	And then, of course, Selly Castillo was the head of the DEA operations in Latin America, folks.
	And for years, he became aware of this, documented it, took the photos, the documents, was basically threatened over it.
	He's come to Austin and done two-hour presentations showing the photos, the documents, who the drug dealers are.
	He was there in Latin America watching the DEA fuel the drug planes.
	It's unbelievable, ladies and gentlemen.
	And, of course, he was a friend of Gary Webb's and learned of it within two hours after they found his body, his face shotgunned away.
	And, again, folks, for those that don't use firearms a lot, haven't done a lot of hunting, haven't done a lot of target practice and shooting, you shoot somebody with a 12-gauge up close, it just blows a big hole in their head.
	You've got to shoot them from at least five feet away to blow their face off.
	I don't want to go into too many details of it, but the pattern spreads out from there.
	That's what a shotgun does.
	So that, we have confirmed, his face is basically blown off.
	We're not going to let him kill somebody, a hero, like Gary Webb.
	And that's obviously, this should be treated as a murder, as a homicide.
	And then ignore that.
	And I just want to say this before we go to Chico Brown and back to Selly.
	Yesterday, the paramedics went public in England with Dr. David Kelly.
	The top UN weapons inspector from England who said that there were no weapons of mass destruction, and then he told an American colleague and a British colleague that, quote, if I don't shut up, they're going to kill me and put me in the woods.
	I've been told this.
	And then a few weeks later, he was found dead in the woods, and the paramedics have gone public and said, look, his wrists were slit and there was no blood at the scene.
	We've been to suicide.
	If you bleed to death, there's blood.
	Princess Diana said, they killed my boyfriend, and Charles has told me they're going to kill me in a fake auto accident.
	Then they clearly kill her in the fake auto accident, crash the car, and then don't bring her to the hospital for an hour and 45 minutes total.
	And then 75% of the British people believe they killed her, but the media still says, oh, no, no, no, no.
	My point is bringing those up.
	Is that they do this over and over again.
	We saw Fannie Malick, the Arkansas medical examiner, with people with two shotgun blasts to the head, people with arms and legs cut off in trash dumps, and they would rule this as suicides.
	We've seen cops killed in the Oklahoma City bombing case who were exposing government involvement, stabbed 13 times, throat slit, handcuffed marks, people tortured with electricity marks all over them, beaten from head to toe, beatings on the bottoms of their feet.
	And these sicko coroners will say, suicide!
	Well, I'll never commit suicide.
	Sully has said he'll never commit suicide.
	Now we're bringing up Chico Brown.
	And he runs one of the biggest youth organizations in L.A.
	And, of course, he's changed his ways and done a great job.
	He was a co-defendant.
	With Freeway Ricky Ross, the biggest drug dealer in West Coast history.
	Chico, we appreciate your courage and your honor in coming forward.
	Of course, you were friends with Gary Webb and got a lot of information for us.
	Thanks for coming on.
	You're welcome.
	Thank you.
	Tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do in L.A.
	Presently I run a place called Home with the Youth Center with over 5,000 members for at-risk kids, kids from the different communities of Compton, South Central LA.
	That program is to help kids because I don't want to see them go to prison.
	I also have another program called Life on Purpose.
	It's a computer literacy program that I put down for the 19 juvenile camps in Los Angeles County.
	Because I know that I have to educate the kids so they won't have to go through the same situation that me and Rick went through.
	That's, you know, going to prison and, you know, I have to go with these prison ways.
	And our film crew was just out in L.A.
	interviewing you for several days.
	I mean, you've got a lot of great people involved in your program like Al Pacino.
	The list just goes on and on out there helping you.
	Yeah, my biggest one is Penny Morris.
	I mean, she helped me on a day-to-day basis.
	I mean, the Lakers, Brad Pitt, Mark Wahlberg, a lot of different people that helped me in my organization.
	Well, would you like to tell folks you're not planning suicide anytime soon?
	No, that's never going to happen.
	What did you think when you heard, and pop in anytime, Shelly.
	I know you know Shelly, a great patriot, a great American.
	Yeah, I know her, sir.
	Tell us a little bit, I mean, what did you think when you got the call?
	Well, I always knew because it always came up.
	One of these days we'll get that car saying that happened to him or somebody that was involved in his case.
	So that wasn't, it wasn't shocking to me that they would say that because I knew because riding in the car with him, you know, many times and we just talked about that stuff and he was like, you know, used to tell me, you know, when the first case first broke.
	Now again, on record, he told you he'd been getting death threats when he was first working on the case.
	Continuing now, police.
	Yeah, that's when the case first opened.
	I actually, you know, when we was going to court, you know, when all this stuff started coming out and
	Because I got out on bail so he came to L.A.
	and we rode around for weeks.
	You know, he wanted to talk to me about the case and stuff.
	And so in that conversation he was always saying, you know, I get death threats all the time.
	So to me when it happened, when I got the news, I actually read it in the paper and my father called me and I was like, man, that time.
	Because he always told me like, you know, something like that would happen.
	Like, you know, they can get you any time they want and stuff like that.
	I automatically said to myself, damn, my father said, he killed himself.
	I said, yeah, right.
	My father said the same thing, you know.
	I just knew that day was going to happen.
	One day we were going to get that call.
	I just talked to you during the break, and Sully just learned of this.
	We talked to Freeway Ricky from prison last night.
	We're going to be playing it in the third hour or tomorrow.
	We recorded it.
	We're having to upload it right now.
	But he said the last time he talked to Gary, Gary said, this was recently, he was being followed by cars.
	He would come home, and men, I would call it special forces type, but he said,
	What was that revelation like for you?
	Yeah, I know, because I think I talked to him about six months ago, and when they said suicide to me, I know the guy, I know he'd never do nothing like that, but for him to just open and say something like that, I was like, man, and then when I talked to Rick Mother,
	The day I called her, her first words were like, Chico, they killed him.
	And that was her first word.
	I said, you know, Gary's dead.
	Let me bring Sully in.
	Unbelievable.
	Sully, any comments to this?
	Well, you know, that's the way the government works.
	That's the way that they've always worked.
	I've actually spoken to some people that have been on operations with the government when they go out and assassinate people.
	And that's exactly the same ammo that they've used for years.
	And it's worked.
	And they have carte blanche to do just about anything and get away with it.
	You know, we saw it with the Cubans.
	We saw it with the different kinds of hit squads that they bring down to the U.S.
	to commit these atrocities.
	Now, Sally, you're a unique expert on this subject.
	I mean, you were, I don't want to call you an assassin, but a highly decorated Vietnam sniper, then the head of DEA operations in Latin America, witnessing all this death squads and stuff going on in drug dealing.
	And so when you say this is the M.O., I mean, how can police then just automatically, suicide, case closed, how do they control local Sacramento police to that level?
	Well, because of...
	You know, coming down from Washington, you know, every operation is approved by the CIA.
	Every single one of them is approved.
	So they know better than to mess around with them because, you know, they use all kinds of techniques.
	You know, one of the first tools that they use against individuals would be like the IRS.
	You get audited and, you know, you end up paying thousands of dollars.
	That's the first tool to let you know that, you know,
	You know, they're after you.
	Why are people so cowardly?
	I mean, I don't even think I have that much courage, but I'm not going to let a bunch of drug dealers ruin our country.
	Well, you know, they're doing it, and they're getting away with it.
	That's the whole issue here.
	But that's because more of us aren't standing up.
	Well, that's what it is, and that's the problem.
	And we're having that major problem.
	We saw it this election where people thought it was going to change and didn't change.
	And we have to take a... We've got to take it to the... Chico Brown, what do you think about... It seems like the corruption gets worse and worse.
	The good news is, everybody I talk to now, it's an open secret that the government controls the drug trade, but still, now everybody knows the truth, but still the SWAT teams will raid some teenager's house for a bag of marijuana and ruin their life.
	Oh, man, that's so true because, you know, when that story first broke and everybody was excited for the L.A.
	time, Washington Post, I remember Gary was there.
	You know, they want my story, people.
	They want my story.
	But he wasn't willing to give his story to the bigger newspaper.
	And then there was a conflict right there.
	And, you know, his story was unique and it was true.
	You know, it had facts.
	And they were like, okay, if you don't want to do this, this is what we're going to do.
	And then when they wrote the three-page series denying everything that he said and worked hard on it,
	You know, that's why I knew, well, man, we have problems.
	Problems like, you know, they can deny all these facts and make it look like it's due to a victim and a villain.
	Alex.
	Let me just add something to that.
	Yes.
	You know, I'm an expert witness now for entrapment and informants for the defense.
	So I get hired or retained by different attorneys and families from all over the country.
	And every single, every single case that I've worked on
	For the defense.
	We realize and we find out the perjury, the corruption that the government is using to destroy families.
	So it does happen.
	There is an M.O.
	on that.
	We'll be back with Chico Brown and Silly Castillo.
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	We're talking to Sully Castillo.
	He, of course, was the senior DA agent in Latin America, first-hand for years, witnessed CIA drug trafficking, documented it, tried to covertly fight it, and was basically told to shut up.
	Then, of course, Chico Brown, who was their co-defendant with Freeway Ricky Ross, Freeway Ricky in prison right now, for being one of the biggest drug dealers in West Coast history.
	And he, of course, one of the main sources for...
	Gary Webb.
	Gentlemen, both of you.
	First, Chico, any websites?
	I mean, for your organizations, any contact info you want to give people?
	Same thing for you, Sully.
	Yeah, it's chico at apch.org.
	APCH is a place called home.org.
	And I can be reached by phone at the office, 323-232-7653.
	And that's an email address.
	Is there a website as well?
	Yeah, apch.org.
	apch.org.
	That's your youth center with over 5,000 children involved.
	I've heard they're doing a lot of great work.
	Trying to keep them out of the system.
	And really, I found that's the message to keep kids out of drugs, is to explain to them that it's a trap literally laid by the establishment to get them into these private prisons.
	Exactly.
	I mean, I go out and travel all over the states and speak about it.
	It happened to me and Rick, and we were just puns about a whole drug war.
	Sully, any contact info for you?
	Well, anybody can email me at the very simple email address.
	It's called Powderburns.
	At Prodigy.net.
	A little simple.
	Powderburn at Prodigy.net or from the wilderness.
	You can order a book from them or from me.
	And also, just to say that I will be in Austin this weekend at the Crockett Convention Center at the gun show and I'll be selling my videos and my book there in case anybody wants to go down there.
	Well, that's wonderful.
	Yeah, you're a fellow Texan here with us.
	We'll give out your contact info to get the book a little bit later.
	Right.
	Or you can also call me at 956-345-5770.
	956-345-5770.
	Or powderburns at prodigy.net.
	Exactly.
	We're going to go to break and come back with Paul Watson to give us the international view on the drug trade, but...
	I want to go back to Gary here.
	I mean, he's dead now.
	And my gut tells me, your gut tells you, the M.O.
	tells you, Selly, the M.O.
	tells you, Chico, that he was killed.
	And I know he'd been working on some new things.
	Any hints on what he was working on?
	I know that the media had been saying, oh, look, he is vindicated.
	What he said was true.
	What do you think is going on here?
	Well, let me say one thing that's real simple.
	You've got to remember, nobody's done a documentary on Aaron Contra.
	Or the whole issue with the CIA involving drug trafficking.
	And maybe that's what he was trying to put together, something that was going to expose the Bush administration.
	Going back, there's a book called Firewall by Lawrence Walsh who wrote about how they conspired and how they covered up the whole operation.
	So, you know, that could possibly be it, but I think that we need to have some kind of documentary out there
	And to really educate, you know, I'd be glad to donate my pictures and my films to that whole issue, but it's got to be done.
	You know, Fahrenheit 9-11, everybody went crazy, you know, the most documentary thing done.
	That was nothing!
	That was nothing, and that's exactly it.
	So now we have something that we can actually go out there and not... Don't let Gary's dad be a denial to...
	Everybody else that needs to be educated or into what's really going on with the government.
	What about also trying to force the local police to have it as a murder investigation?
	Well, we can do that.
	I guess the people who know he's been saying he was getting threatened and stuff should call the police and call the media and go, how dare you?
	You know, I just wrote a story on Soldier of Fortune magazine and Felix came on and he's an announcement with how they killed Che Guevara
	In Bolivia.
	And my point is, they took him out because he was being threatened.
	And at the end of the day, they found out that he's a Nikon now.
	And they go out and do stuff like that.
	So we can't let Gary's death just go unnoticed.
	And we have to do forms.
	Yeah, that's the point.
	They turn people into martyrs.
	Yeah.
	And we've got to do something to his death not in vain and so forth.
	And we've got to do something.
	We just can't let it...
	Let me get a comment from Chico on that.
	No, I agree.
	We're going to focus on this.
	Chico, comments to keeping Gary's memory and work alive?
	We definitely got to do something.
	Like you said, do a film about the situation.
	I think it's the last public note that really went on.
	So these documents that Gary has and a lot of people have that
	I have that people never seen and just know what went on in our courtroom when he was willing to testify and they talk about, you know, the CIA was there.
	And everything that's coming up right now was not allowed in me and Rick's trial when we went to court.
	They would not let us talk about none of the CIA involvement, even though that we have proof and documents.
	It was just, we went on as a regular little case.
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	Times obituaries...
	Really vicious things going after Gary Webb.
	And Richard Heinberg, author of The Party's Over and Power Down, observed after reading the Times obituary, the LA Times obit is disgusting.
	What's our attitude towards investigating journalism?
	Well, of course we try to discourage it whenever we can, but sometimes it happens anyway.
	Then we get especially nasty.
	We have to, naturally, to protect our reputation.
	Yeah, I loved USA Today when they said, Jones raises allegations that Schwarzenegger's father was a Nazi.
	I raise allegations.
	That's like, I mean, that's your journalism.
	Yes, the allegation that the sun came up today, the allegation that Arnold's from Austria, the allegation that Hitler is from Austria, the allegation that ducks quack, that water is wet.
	I mean, the media, and I read the articles they did trying to attack Webb, they were never on any information.
	I mean, I've interviewed the people on both ends of it.
	They catch CIA bringing drugs in all the time.
	Here in Texas, they find tractor trailers full of three tons of coke, and the police show up and say, let it go.
	They come and tell the Border Patrol, let it go, this is our shipment.
	That's been in the Associated Press.
	Shelly Castillo, of course, a senior DEA officer for, what, seven years in Latin America,
	And it's still continuing.
	Absolutely.
	Just recently, there's a senior DEA agent that's been involved in drug trafficking for many years for the cartels in Mexico.
	And he sells a lot of the information to the drug traffickers organizations.
	And this guy's been around for close to almost 20 years now and nothing's ever happened to him because
	Well, all these intelligence agencies are like twin towers.
	The corrupt, rotten part is a small part, but it's the top.
	Everybody else knows to go along, and they build right next to it the whole system that runs parallel.
	Exactly.
	And it continues to do that.
	Absolutely.
	And we have the...
	The involvement of the government in the cover-ups.
	Just recently, there were several customs agents arrested here in South Texas for their involvement in drug trafficking.
	But again, they get busted because they're low-level guys cutting in.
	They're covering up for the main guys.
	I see it all the time where the U.S.
	Attorney's Office will purchase themselves before a grand jury.
	And it's allowed.
	And they do this, Alex, because they know that at the end of the year, the president will pardon a lot of these individuals that work for him.
	George Sr.
	pardoned a Pakistani drug trafficker, heroin trafficker, right before he left office.
	Bill Clinton!
	Yeah, everybody.
	Did the same thing.
	And they're all going to be pardoned.
	And then George Jr.
	tells Dan Burton's committee, don't go after Clinton for pardoning giant Coke dealers.
	And then the media doesn't even pick up on it, showing these guys are all just puppets.
	And that's why they do all this, and they get away with it, because even if they get arrested, at the end of the day, they'll be pardoned.
	Well, Sully, I'll tell you what I don't like, and Chico, I'll tell you what I don't like.
	We're about to bring Paul Watson in.
	I don't use drugs other than an occasional cerveza with my Mexican food or a glass of red wine with my Italian food.
	I drink one cup of coffee in the morning.
	I mean, that's the extent of my drug use.
	But I've many times had the police pull me over, ask to search my car, and I tell them no, and they act like I'm evil and go, what do you got to hide?
	I go, it's called the Fourth Amendment, bro.
	Don't you want your kids to grow up in a free country?
	And I'll start giving them a speech.
	Don't you know your bosses bring the drugs in?
	You know, with...
	And by making drugs illegal, it puts the profit in it and brings the gangs in and criminalizes our society and drives the crime wave.
	That's what I teach some of my kids at the high school on criminal justice.
	Absolutely.
	I teach them that racial violence is alive and well in Texas, all over the country.
	And, you know, you lost your Fourth Amendment right on profiling.
	Well, it's true.
	I've seen it.
	They really, on average, and I'll see a black cop doing it to a black guy, a Mexican cop doing it to a Mexican.
	Exactly.
	I mean, but it's like we're allowed to be even meaner to the minorities, but I'm a white guy, man, with blonde hair and blue eyes, and they're pretty mean to me.
	I mean, what is this?
	Chico, any comments?
	Me, I got stopped every time I turned a corner, so, you know.
	So I just thought it was a thing that went on all around the country.
	Well, a lot of people are going to get upset when they put in these new National ID card systems that passed last week.
	They're going to have hardened checkpoints on the road, or they search your cars like the airport.
	Is that a fact?
	No, they're doing that already.
	They're doing it here in Texas by the Department of Public Safety.
	They're
	Yeah, we're good.
	Because it's recorded.
	And you have an illegal search in violation of your constitutional rights.
	Also... And it's recorded.
	Again, when they say, what do you have to hide?
	You need to tell them, look, my Fourth Amendment, would you like being pulled over and searched like this?
	And people that I know go, I'll let them search.
	They don't have any drugs.
	Folks.
	That's the point.
	Folks.
	Because you haven't done anything wrong.
	Make them get a dog.
	But listen, here's the thing.
	Here's the deal.
	People are going to jail...
	In Round Rock, Texas, we're not returning, I mean a week late, a videotape to Blockbuster or Hollywood Video.
	I have Associated Press articles where somebody moves and forgets to return a library book, and when they come back to town later and get arrested, they're charging them.
	Folks, I know Korean War veterans.
	I know an old man, 75 years old.
	No criminal record, driving back from South Texas, fishing at the coast.
	And they said, mind if I search your car?
	And he said, sure.
	They arrested him for a filleting knife.
	And they'll arrest old men, folks, with vet stickers.
	Okay?
	They'll arrest old men with vet stickers for having a filleting knife in their car.
	They'll arrest people who... I have friends.
	One guy's like 45 years old, owns his own company, with the lawnmowers and trimming yards.
	They arrested one of the members of his crew because there was a machete in the back.
	Folks, you use a machete when you're clearing brush in somebody's backyard.
	It was in there with the lawnmowers.
	My point is...
	It's like New York.
	Arresting somebody because the tip wasn't 20%.
	That was New York Daily News.
	Arresting people because they finish a candy bar before they get on the subway.
	They said they chewed aggressively.
	Sully, I mean, are you seeing this system where everything's a crime?
	It's funny.
	Here in Texas, you can drive around in your truck with an AK-47 and it's not illegal.
	Imagine that?
	They get a knife or whatever they want to come out with that, you know, they can charge you with.
	And it's all up to them.
	And that's why you never give permission for them to search.
	No matter what, never give permission.
	Because then if they do it without a warrant, and they get the knife, you're going to have a defense in court.
	And see, once you target those police officers for doing, they have a tail, what we call a cola, which means this guy has been involved in a lot of civil rights violations, and I think people will start listening to him, or you get a civil rights attorney.
	Exactly.
	You just file on them, and that's exactly what happened just recently, a couple of days ago, when...
	Here's another example.
	I know old people.
	Again, the reason I bring up the old people is because it's an old lady.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	And again, I know we've kind of diverged, but this is what this whole drug war is about.
	I mean, look, I want to bring Paul Watson up from England.
	Paul, they've got the drug war over there.
	I know you've covered what happened here in Texas.
	Tulia, Texas, 50-something black people, no criminal record, no drugs found.
	They've just come arrest them and put them in the local prison owned by the local town fathers.
	And you know what, Alex?
	It's still continuing.
	There's two other cases I'm working on, task force cases.
	They're continuing to do the same thing.
	They're taking the money.
	Instead of taking the guys to the police department, they take it out to a little ranch, a little barn.
	They slap them around and try to get them to confess where the money's at, and then they let them go.
	I mean, can you imagine that?
	The task forces, that's why they need to be disbanded.
	It doesn't work.
	It has never worked, and all it does is corrupt everybody.
	You're talking about multi-jurisdictional task forces.
	Exactly.
	Paul Watson, comments along these lines?
	Yeah, well, you mentioned the drug situation in England.
	Before the war in Afghanistan, Tony Blair publicly stated, we will bomb the poppy field and look at what's happened since.
	Record level.
	Yeah, and that represents one-third of the entire world's drug trade, the Afghan Golden Crescent, you know, $200 billion or more.
	And so now the report saw record levels of heroin and opium on the streets of London.
	And Tony Blair promised us that he would bomb the poppy field.
	So they're bringing this system in, which ties in with exactly the same kind of police state measures that are being introduced in this country as they are in America.
	Things like the ID card and internal checkpoint.
	So it's the same system being introduced at the same time.
	We've been covering the obvious murder, and I'll say it, it should be a homicide investigation of Gary Webb.
	Some incredible revelations, Paul, listening in the last hour.
	Do you have any questions for Chico Brown or for Sally Castillo concerning this murder?
	Well, my thoughts on it, as you mentioned before, are the media complicity in the reporting of the death.
	You know, aside from the fact that so-called suicides related to the Bush crime family, the odds,
	That's right.
	The original article said wounds.
	Were you able to save that?
	Well, there's still some out there that still say wounds.
	They've changed most of the others.
	That's what I'm asking.
	We were able to save that before.
	We catch them a lot going back and editing.
	Well, exactly.
	And again, they don't retract it and say they were wrong.
	They just take it out.
	Let me get a comment from Sully on that.
	Sully?
	Absolutely right.
	They, you know, they're not smart enough to try to keep it glued together and they end up making mistakes.
	And that's what it is.
	When you lie about something, you forget about what you said in the past and
	You know, if it was the truth, then it would be a solid case on it.
	But, you know, they do that a lot, and that's where we pick up the bits and pieces to know that these people are lying to us.
	Chico Brown, what do you think about... That's a good point Paul brought up.
	First it's wounds, and now they're going back and trying to change it.
	Yeah, that's the article I read.
	It said a parent got shot wounds to the face, and that's the same thing I said.
	Wounds.
	Wounds.
	Wounds.
	Well, that's like two shotgun wounds in the back of the head.
	It's impossible to shoot yourself twice in the head with a shotgun.
	There's also a very similar case that happened a few years ago in El Toro where that colonel up there was trying to blow the whistle on the government's drug trafficking.
	It's a military base.
	That's right.
	Tell us about it.
	The Marine colonel that was shot in the back and he also committed suicide according to the military.
	I mean, how do cops come and stand over a dead colonel who stood up against drug dealing and see him shot in the back and go, well, we don't want this to happen to us because we're little cowards.
	Let's just shut up.
	None of us are safe when we have that attitude.
	We've all got to stand up.
	Paul Watson?
	Well, yeah, that's another one of the aspects to this.
	There's been this argument of, you know, why kill him now?
	After all, his great reporting has already come out.
	Obviously, as you've been talking about, he had new information that he was working on which was on the way.
	And, you know, it would have been easier to get rid of him now, you know, in a time when he was out of the spotlight rather than later on when he's back in the spotlight.
	But also, you know, it's a fair assumption to make that this is also...
	An extreme show of brute intimidation to anyone else out there with the same kind of sensitive information, whether that be related to the CIA drugs issue or any other issue.
	Keep your mouth shut or there'll be consequences.
	Yes, because now they're going to be taking steps to do things that have been done before covertly, but now it's not going to be covertly.
	They're just going to go out there outright and just do whatever the heck they want to do.
	And if anybody wants to complain about it or whatever...
	Then that's a sign.
	Here he is.
	We got the Gary Webb kill.
	If that's what you want to happen to you or to your family, you know, try to stop us.
	And that's what's going to happen.
	They're going to come after anybody who goes against them.
	You know, I'm going to do something, and I know that I'm going to let, unless he wants to stay with us and he's welcome to, Chico go here in a few minutes.
	We've taken so much of his time.
	But I want to try to keep Selly a little bit into the next hour.
	If he can do it, I know he's busy as well.
	But regardless, I want to keep the lines open here for only police officers or retired police officers or retired or current intelligence people who want to call in
	And try to refute this or add to it.
	Call in with your experiences or what you've witnessed.
	1-800-259-9231.
	But, Sully, you raised this earlier.
	1-800-259-9231.
	All they do is turn people into icons they kill.
	If we remember them and talk about them.
	Exactly.
	That's something that has to be done here with Gary Webb.
	I mean, if they kill me, or they kill you, and we're on record saying we're not going to commit suicide, I expect people to keep the memory alive and to use it against the New World Order.
	We need to go to the universities and lecture to them about what happened to Gary Webb, because those are going to be the leaders of our country one day, or people that we really need to go out and, you know, grassroots individuals and people
	They need to be educated in a, you know, I'm part of a group called People for Peace and Justice now and there are a whole bunch of young kids and when you talk to them about the CIA and the involvement in the atrocities, the death threats and so forth, that's what's going on in Colombia right now.
	They're not aware of those situations and we need to educate them, bring them up to par on the whole issues of what our government is doing.
	Chico, anything else in closing you want to add?
	I want to thank you for coming on with us.
	Well, yeah, you're right.
	People got to just stand up.
	We're all in this position where at any time something can happen, but that's not changing my mind and my thoughts of what Gary believed and what I believe in, and that's the truth of what happened in today's society, especially drug trade and how the government was involved.
	You know, like you said, we own records, so whatever, you know, if something happened to me, I didn't kill myself.
	That's for sure.
	All right.
	Well, keep up the good work with the Youth Center there in Los Angeles, and give us that website one more time.
	It's
	apch.org.
	My email address is chico at apch.org.
	All right.
	Chico Brown, thanks for joining us.
	You're welcome.
	Thanks for your courage.
	We'll come back with Sully Castillo and Paul Watson and some of your calls.
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	Ed, you say you've got some interesting inside dirt for us.
	Tell us about it.
	Hello, my dad.
	Yeah, hello, can you hear me?
	Yes, sir.
	Okay, yeah, I worked for a small agency in Tucson years ago, and the reason I would never be able to serve on a jury is something that I had jury duty a couple times.
	I tell them right off the bat that
	I've witnessed this before where I was responsible for typing up the blotter and I know good and well what happened out in the field because I was in radio contact and I followed the sequence of events that would happen in a certain arrest or this or that.
	And then the officers got back to the station and I'm sort of under their, as part of the job, I'm under their authority.
	Well, that's just classic.
	A cell phone cut out.
	Are you there?
	Yeah.
	I was going to say that.
	Ed called right back in.
	But, yeah, even tell them the dispatchers falsify reports.
	Sully?
	Yes, sir.
	You ever heard of dispatchers falsifying reports?
	Oh, absolutely.
	You know, one of the things that now it's computerized, especially on 911s, everything's recorded.
	But then they always claim it malfunctioned.
	Yeah, well, see, that's the other thing, yeah, or the camera wasn't working or so forth or whatever.
	Yeah, but they do that all the time, and that's how they're able to get away with it.
	The surveillance camera.
	How do they get so many people to be corrupt?
	It's normal now?
	Well, it's normal.
	See, and everybody's cocky about it.
	Now they're so blunt about doing what they're doing.
	Because they feel that they're protected.
	And also, a lot of these TV shows, these dramas, the cops do bad things on those shows, but they're still good.
	So cops watch that, and that's kind of like a moral comforter.
	Exactly.
	It's letting you know it's okay for you to do it.
	Paul Watson comments.
	Well, yeah, I mean, they call these CCTV cameras up to protect us, but whenever they catch something which the government doesn't want you to find out about, they mysteriously malfunction on every occasion.
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	Now, come on.
	We should trust them.
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	Terror!
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	Government cover-ups.
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	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	We've got to get this interview up on the web, the audio of it, we will.
	We've also got to get a transcript of it, and coming up either later this hour or tomorrow, we'll be able to play the Freeway Ricky Ross interview that Kevin Booth did with him.
	Of course, we're talking about Gary Webb, shotgun in the face.
	The report first was multiple shotgunnings, but now they're not retracting it, they're just...
	They're just removing it.
	And again, he was the big preeminent mainstream media reporter, journalist who had exposed government complicity in the drug trade with the CIA.
	Ricky Ross was one of the main CIA dealers there in California.
	And he learned from this office, basically.
	We're making a drug war film.
	Last night from Kevin Booth,
	That Gary Webb had died and he said, oh man, he told me there were people at his house.
	People, you know, with Special Forces style would shimmy down the drain pipe and run off.
	We talked to Chico Brown.
	Gary Webb had told him he'd been getting a lot of death threats just over the years.
	He'd been being followed recently.
	And he's dead.
	Committed suicide, supposedly.
	No investigation.
	And you're a former law enforcement officer, Selly Castillo, the head of the DEA for Latin America.
	I mean, I would investigate this as a murder investigation.
	Isn't it a no-brainer?
	Exactly.
	We'll tell you you need to do what you've got to do and do it right.
	You know, it's common sense.
	But when you've got people pressuring you from the chief of police or to anybody else to do what they're asking you to do, and I remember a guy in Washington, D.C.,
	He came all the way from Washington to Salvador to tell me to use the word alleged because there was no proof that the CIA was involved in drug trafficking.
	He came all the way down here to try to tell me how to do my job.
	That was uncalled for.
	That's when I started to document everything that I could.
	I got him documented at a time and date when he came up and told me to use the word alleged.
	Paul Watson, I mean, there's no way to deny that you put men with covert powers in around hundreds of billions of dollars and it isn't going to become corrupt overnight.
	But this system was corrupt to begin with, Paul.
	Well, that's exactly the case.
	The point you mentioned about, you know, why no investigation.
	Elaine, here in this country, it's legally imperative that there is a public inquest on anyone's death where the cause of death isn't totally clear, you know, clear-cut with witnesses.
	So that should play out in America, but obviously with these high profile cases, they don't do that.
	Going back to the gunshot wounds, I've got two separate AP reports.
	The first one, which was posted on a local news channel affiliate website, which they get them posted within minutes of their release.
	The second AP article, which was reposted in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, says single gunshot wound.
	And then the guy that put the obituary for one of the big newspapers, I'm still trying to confirm which newspaper it was,
	But he said that the coroner told him that Webb had multiple gunshot wounds.
	So that's... You can't argue that that's just a, you know, a difference in grammar between wound and wounds.
	It's clear that he had multiple wounds is what the...
	Journalists do pull up the obituary for one of the newspapers.
	Now to be clear, a shotgun, unless it's shooting slugs, shoots out multiple pellets.
	But we're going to try to find out what's happening here.
	But clearly, coroners and police know what two different shotgun wounds look like.
	Just amazing.
	But bottom line, because of his line of work and what he was into, it should be investigated.
	And then you look at him saying he was being threatened.
	Sully, what does your gut tell you about what the cause of death was?
	I mean, suicide or murder for Gary Webb?
	You know, I think they actually came up to him and, you know, they told him, you know, today's payback day, Gary, and it was going to happen and you're going to be...
	You're going to be here.
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	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	Gary Webb, Pulitzer Prize winning author of the Dark Alliance series of the San Jose Mercury News.
	Everything totally documented.
	CIA drug trafficking.
	Into this country.
	We talked to Freeway Ricky Ross's, the big CIA dealer.
	We talked to his co-defendant, Chico Brown, in the last hour.
	We're talking to Sully Castillo.
	He, of course, the senior DEA agent for almost seven years in Latin America, publicly saw the government dealing the drugs, bringing them in, fueling the drug planes.
	And, Sally, before we went to that break, you were... Start over again.
	I mean, clearly, you've studied this.
	You were a sniper yourself in Vietnam.
	But clearly you know how these globalist criminals work.
	When they went into his dark house, I asked, do you think they clearly killed him?
	I mean, the evidence is there.
	He said he had been death-threatened and had people shimmying down the pole, down the...
	Well, I think that my theory behind it, I think that that happens all the time.
	But I think that Gary was working on something huge.
	And I think what he might have been working on, it's just my guess now.
	I think he was working on Carlos Slater's case.
	Carlos, there was a lady called Carl Baca.
	Well, you told people that he was working on something new and big.
	Yes, and I think that's what it was.
	Carl Baca was a lady that started, in his book, that initiated the whole case on Dark Alliance.
	Well, at the end of the day, we found out that she was married to Carlos Slater.
	And Carlos Slater was the biggest drug trafficker ever extradited to the U.S.
	He was the co-founder of the Mayling Cartel.
	And he was supposed to be coming into the U.S.
	to do life without the possibility of parole.
	And he's been out of prison for several years after he testified against Noriega.
	And he's worked for the CIA since then.
	So he's been up and about doing his business with the CIA.
	And I think that maybe Gary, you know, maybe that was the story that he was working on.
	I don't know.
	I'm not sure, but... But before the break, you described how they like to do it.
	I mean, you know, describing how this man gone down as he... that night in his home.
	Yeah, well, you know, we talk about, you know, the colonel in El Toro, the same thing, with a shotgun, same MMO, committed... allegedly committed suicide.
	And they do that all the time.
	They find these freelancers...
	They go out there and they kill people for the agency or use people from the agency.
	And they're all ex-law enforcement or military guys that actually believe that they can go out there and do that and get away with it.
	And they do it most of the times.
	But before the break you were...
	You know, describing how a lot of times this goes down, that they probably talked to him beforehand.
	Can you describe that for us?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, on that issue, you know, they probably came out to him, and they like to do that.
	They like to tell you why they're going to do you.
	And I remember seeing that in Salvador and in Guatemala.
	They go, you know what?
	Today's payback day, you know, for all the shit that you've done, and you're going to go down, and it's up to you to go.
	You go easy or you go hard.
	So it's up to you.
	And what do you got?
	And, you know...
	It's like I remember a CIA guy telling the guy before he killed him in Salvador.
	Sally, I understand you're doing this for documentary purposes.
	We have a lot of children listening, but please be careful with any language.
	Okay.
	I understand this is a murder we're talking about, and it's pretty obvious.
	But yeah, that's what I've always read.
	I mean, I wasn't a law enforcement head of Latin America.
	Yeah, and they tell you it's up to you how you want to die.
	You want to die slow or you want to die fast.
	But you are going to die.
	But we need to know this, we need to know that, and
	You know, can you just imagine sitting there, figuring that it's the last few minutes of your life, and then they do you the way they do them with a shotgun?
	And it's devastating, but that's the way they've worked, that's the way they've done most of the operations that I saw them do.
	Well, I know it's painful for you to talk about because you were friends.
	Right, and you know, and the thing about it, I kept telling them, look, what you guys are doing is completely wrong, I mean, it's illegal and so forth, and says, you know, we've been
	But he said, we're going to stop us.
	And this is the way we do business.
	So you would talk to these people when you were down there?
	Oh, absolutely.
	And I would actually just walk out of the room.
	Because I remember one guy that said, you know, if you tell us, we'll let you survive.
	And after the guy finished spilling the beans, he said, well, you know, now you're going to die.
	You said I was going to live.
	Wait a minute.
	He said, no.
	We decided that you're a coward.
	And the guy was waiting for his life.
	Yeah, the family and so forth, and they whacked him.
	Well, I know this.
	Simple as that.
	Just a little advice to those out there.
	I'm going to fight.
	People can be guaranteed of that, man.
	Come to my house, somebody's aiming a shotgun at me, you know.
	Yeah, you try to take a couple with you, and they'll be fine if you do, and they'll be fine if you don't.
	And the thing about it is that I think, Alex, we're at the point that we've made our peace.
	But as more people stand up, as millions of people speak out, they can't get everybody.
	Well, exactly.
	And that's what's going to happen.
	People are going to finally realize that it's going to be one of their kids.
	And then they're going to try to say, well, let's do this and let's do that.
	And it always happens that way.
	History will show that people will not get involved.
	It happened with Hitler.
	Remember Hitler?
	They all knew he was doing it and they let him do it and got away with it.
	And then they created this monster that they couldn't destroy.
	Well, let me try to, and bring Paul Watson in, let me try to go over that psychology.
	I've found they normally don't just kill you, unless it's organized crime, separate from the government, for revenge.
	It's normally because you've got a piece of evidence that is source material, original source research, that will burn them, then they'll kill you.
	They'll have a plane bomb your house and say your gas main went off.
	I mean, they'll do whatever it takes to...
	And so, so many people that have information creep around with it and do end up getting killed.
	And it looks to me, from the sources I've talked to, that Gary was working on something new and big.
	And that's probably why they killed him.
	Do you think, from your gut level, they killed him for revenge as payback?
	Or because he was working on something new?
	Selly?
	Yeah.
	No, I think it was both.
	He was working on something new.
	There's no doubt about that.
	Because Gary would be not about to give up.
	And secondly, that it's revenge because he's been a pain in the ass for them for so long with the CIA and their involvement in drug trafficking.
	And because drugs is still a big issue in America, you know, he would be the one to really start something to restart the whole issue again.
	And we saw with Afghanistan now with more drugs coming in.
	And Colombia, let's not forget Colombia, man.
	Playing Colombia is devastating.
	It's killing a lot of the...
	Latinos down there, people are really getting hurt on the drug issue and we have a paramilitary.
	They're training those people down in Iraq to go to Salvador.
	I mean, to go to Colombia and start those same operations.
	The same blueprints they used in Guatemala that they used in Vietnam are going to be used in Colombia.
	So that's what's going to happen.
	And then it gives them a bigger army of sociopathic killers.
	Exactly.
	And they have their people that go out there and kill people and that's exactly how they work.
	You know, they'll
	They'll talk to you real nice, and they'll convince you that you are going to die today, and how you're going to die is going to be up to you.
	And that's exactly, I think, what happened to Gary.
	They went in there, and they sent him down, and they said, look, it's payback time, and number two, what do you got?
	So it was a little bit of both, in my opinion.
	And so they put the screws to him if he won't talk, and they just kill him if he will.
	And again, people can have knife wounds and shock wounds and be blackened head from toe, and you can have photos of it, and they'll say on the news, yeah, it was suicide.
	And the worst scenario is this.
	They get caught, for example, doing what they did.
	They get arrested.
	They get sentenced.
	Knowing the fact that when the president leaves...
	Paul Watson, I appreciate you holding during this.
	Anything you want to add to what Sally's been saying?
	Well, yeah, talk about the criminology.
	And this is the same case, I believe, with the so-called suicide of David Kelly.
	It's almost a case that they want to be caught, which is why they do such a shoddy job in covering up the murder.
	Because it works on two levels.
	On one level, they put out the story that it was suicide and, you know, bully the police and the paramedics into towing that line.
	So that story goes out there, placates the general public.
	Then underneath that, there's all this evidence that it was a shoddy job, which is, you know, what happened with the Kelly murder.
	Yeah, go over that.
	I mean, the police show up and guys in black uniforms run off.
	There's no blood at the scene.
	The paramedics say that.
	The pills aren't digested in his stomach.
	He told people they're going to kill me and put me in the woods.
	Yeah, and this again came out two days ago, and just with this web situation, there was a canned media response, which was, oh, the poor family, surely they just want to move on from all this.
	And if the family knew 5% of the evidence, which they obviously do, against the suicide theory, then they'd want a full public inquest, and not the Hutton whitewash, which Blair said he knew the result of before it even started.
	Michael Shrimpton, the government barrister who was on your broadcast, said the same thing, that he was murdered, that certain elements of MI5 were unhappy about it.
	He has that from MI5.
	And as you mentioned, the simple fact is it takes at least 12 to 24 hours, if not days, to die from slitting your wrist, even if you cut through a major artery.
	And obviously, with the crime scene evidence, there were only spots of blood at the scene where there should have been five pints or more.
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	I was talking to Sally during the break, and I don't want to embarrass you.
	Sully, but you're almost breaking down over this.
	I know you were friends with Gary Webb, and I appreciate...
	I appreciate your courage in Vietnam as a sniper, highly decorated.
	I appreciate your courage down there in the drug war for almost seven years as the head of the DEA in Latin America.
	I appreciate you having the courage to come on this broadcast, and we've talked about how you come in your house, and they've broken in there, and you've gone through a lot, and Gary told folks he was being followed and harassed and death-threatened, and then to watch the media cover this up.
	But we can get the truth out.
	We can educate the people, and we can explain to the young people, don't use drugs.
	They're not cool.
	The government ships them in.
	And that seems to be a good way to get kids to not ever use drugs, to see it as a trap, not as something that's cool.
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	And the number's 956-345-5770.
	Well, Shelly, I think that Gary Webb at 49, survived by children and his wife, I think that he's had a good, full life, and I think God was smiling down on him when these sickos obviously killed him, and I think that he's been brought into heaven and is going to...
	Be rewarded.
	He certainly was a good person.
	Yes, that's the very, very sad thing about it.
	He was a good person.
	All he wanted to do was do the right thing.
	Even though he stepped on people's toes, that's the kind of individual that he was, doing the righteous thing.
	Well, if we had more people like him, we wouldn't be so enslaved right now.
	And once again, education is the key to this whole issue.
	Exactly.
	Educate the public.
	Aid the kids.
	And once you do that, then you might get a momentum going, and hopefully things will change.
	And one last thing I want to say is that I'll be in Austin at the gun show this weekend in case somebody wants to come by and pick up a video or a book.
	And that's at the Crockett Center?
	That's correct, sir.
	All right.
	I may have been out of town, but I may be back by then.
	I may see you on Sunday.
	Drop by.
	Paul Watson, we've got a few minutes left here, and we're going to keep Paul into the final segment and get into some other news.
	Well, thank you for having me.
	Well, thank you for staying with us here right at the end of this segment.
	Just a few more minutes, Sally.
	Paul Watson, you know, these evil people that enjoy doing this, I think it backfires on them.
	From your studies of these type of assassinations, does it work for them?
	Well, it hasn't worked with David Kelly, but again, maybe that goes back to the point that they almost want to be caught.
	One thing which you could pursue with Gary Webb, it'd probably be difficult at the moment, but with Kelly, they got the emails from him.
	Kelly was killed on the Thursday night, they found his body Friday morning.
	Later on, the emails came out, which Kelly had sent, with him saying, quote, this should all blow over by early next week.
	And he was talking about the investigations into the Iraqi WMD.
	This should all blow over by early next week when I go back to Iraq.
	And he sent that email on the Monday, Tuesday before he was killed.
	The strongest evidence is him telling other weapons inspectors, if I don't shut up, I'll be found dead in the woods.
	Yeah, exactly, but that email proves that he was in no mindset to kill himself.
	I mean, he also said he was looking forward to his daughter's wedding later on that month.
	So, I mean, if anyone close to Gary Webb can, you know, who communicated with him by email can get those emails, then that's a major line of investigation.
	Shelley?
	Yep, that's right, and that's what...
	A lot of people will say, well, this will blow over and so forth, and that's why we have to continue to fight for his cause and our cause and not let people forget about what happened to him.
	We need to do.
	And, you know, the signs are there, you know.
	I will tell you today, I will never commit suicide, but it doesn't mean I'll get hit on in an accident with a 19-wheeler and, you know, just blow me away or things like that.
	There's always accidents waiting to happen.
	Or a heart attack.
	A heart attack, exactly.
	And, you know, they'll say, well, you know, he had a history of high blood pressure and so forth.
	And, you know, records will indicate that.
	But they won't tell you that there's medication that you can take covertly and kill you.
	You know, give you a massive heart attack.
	But it does happen.
	And once you make statements like that, then they'll go to Plan B.
	You know, the guys that do this, though, that go around killing good people that stand up for the little folks, they've got to have a hellish world.
	I mean, when I do something bad in my life, it always comes back on me.
	Shelly, you reap what you sow.
	I wouldn't want to be between God and these evil globalists.
	Yeah.
	Well, they get in denial.
	Denial ability.
	And they actually think that they're doing something for the government.
	They can be proud of them.
	Yeah.
	Sully, take care, my friend.
	Thank you, sir, for having me.
	We'll be back with Paul Watson.
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	And boy, Sully was almost breaking down during a break.
	I was talking to him because he was friends with Gary Webb.
	But just such a sad story.
	You know, the least you can do is just get informed and inform others.
	And Sully's got to be concerned.
	I mean, he's as prominent as Gary Webb is.
	He's got photos of these CIA guys, and all their names, and he saw them dealing the drugs.
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	It's so sick.
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	Drug war bigger than ever.
	Yeah, you've done a great job ruining this country.
	Getting a lot of cops killed, a lot of citizens killed.
	The junkies want the drugs because they're so expensive.
	Nine out of ten robberies, drug-related.
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	I want to go to John and Rick and Jim and Bill and William and others, but right now, for folks that just joined us, any other important news you want to talk about things that are happening globally?
	Yeah, the global news is the geopolitical situation.
	And that is that China and Russia have just announced their first joint war games.
	And the two countries are basically following the exact same course as the US is being led down, which is preemptive imperial action abroad and, you know, police state measures at home.
	And in the past we've seen that these kind of war games conducted by both China and Russia have been designed around repelling an attack
	Repelling against them attacked by the US, which is no surprise because the neocons don't hide the fact that no matter how large the country is, anybody's a target.
	In their own recent policy documents and these speeches at the Jerusalem Summit, they again listed France as a military enemy.
	And in fact, William Crystal...
	From the reports that he wrote that we posted on the website, he's now encouraging the US to invade South Korea.
	That's South Korea, not North Korea, under the justification that they're secretly working with the North Koreans in allowing them to advance their nuke program.
	So, in the face of this, it's no surprise that Russia and China are bonding.
	And the man with the soul of love, Mr. Pooty Poot, as Bush calls him, Vladimir Putin.
	By the way, that's true.
	He calls him Pooty Poot.
	Yeah, at the ranch.
	That's his pet name.
	That's nicer than my nickname for you, Waddy Wad.
	But Putin came out publicly.
	We have a chilling of the love fest.
	Chilling of the love fest.
	And so Pearl and people within the White House are beginning to question whether Russia should be seen as an enemy again.
	The overriding fact is that the neocons can't really have any complaints because what's happening in the US internally is almost as bad as Russia and China.
	Putin just abolished the elections of regional governors by popular vote.
	How different is that from the growth of federalization, the growth of government in the US?
	Regional governors will keep the systems in line.
	Fear!
	Oh boy.
	And China just arrested another group of intellectuals for criticizing the government.
	So how much different is that from the artist who was also almost arrested for creating the picture of the Bush face made out of monkeys, you know, and they shut the entire art exhibit down in New York.
	Yeah, and I saw the picture.
	It was no big deal.
	Bush's face made up of a bunch of images of monkeys.
	And then they shut the art exhibit down.
	We may arrest you!
	You talked about the great leader!
	Oh my, oh my, oh!
	It's like high school students who get arrested for having t-shirts with Bush on them saying, not my president.
	And they actually bring the police in and arrest them.
	Then again, that's nothing compared to, you know, the 10-year-old girl who was arrested for bringing a pair of scissors into school.
	She pulled her scissors out during the craft time when they had their little scissors and was cutting, and they had to arrest her.
	Isn't it dangerous?
	So again, they're both following the same policies internally and geopolitically.
	But it seems that they're following the same road but going in different directions.
	So it seems that some organized chaos later on down the road is in the pipeline to create this global horror that the globalists need.
	Yeah, all this is a precursor.
	After the next big terror attack, the draft comes and the real war starts.
	The real wars which will require, for North Korea it was 600,000 troops.
	So, I mean, all the people who speak out against this draft saying there's no way they need a draft, they've got plenty of reserves, plenty of troops to fight these wars.
	Well, that's not the case when you get, you know, to the borders of North Korea and then China.
	Then they will need the full draft.
	I tell you, the globalists have really set up a mess.
	Meanwhile, do you see this article?
	It's mainstream news, folks.
	A satanic...
	Blood ritual and orgy manuals handed out to the middle school students.
	Yeah, just completely by accident amongst a set of other material.
	I forgot what it was related to now, but something mundane.
	Just by accident amongst it are these satanic witch blood ritual manuals which just casually got handed out amongst the students.
	And I believe that came down directly from the police, so
	Just an accident again.
	Well, it's all very Christian.
	I mean, Skull and Bones is Christian, Paul.
	I'll tell you this.
	And then the real Christianity.
	I mean, we've got the article out in the London Evening Standard today.
	A third of people don't know Jesus' birthplace.
	Bethlehem!
	Ooh, I'm smart.
	So the real, you know, the real education on Christianity, even if you're not a Christian, you know the basic tenets of the Bible and how to live your life, which is, you know, successful and moral.
	That's all being suppressed and even turned into hate crimes in Canada and now the U.S.
	Well, France just passed a law where you criticize or say you don't like homosexuality several years in prison and over a $60,000 fine.
	Yeah, that's the definition of thought crime.
	A homosexual movement preaches tolerance, doesn't tolerate any criticism of it.
	And that's not being run by even the homosexual leaders of those movements.
	It's all coming down directly from government, who then legislate this into law to make it the pretext for shutting down any kind of free speech.
	It's scary, folks.
	This whole thing is just...
	It's just unbelievable.
	Let's talk to, and we're going to go quickly to calls.
	I want to thank you for holding for eons.
	We'll give each caller about a minute or two.
	John in Ohio, go ahead.
	We may not know the identities of these slimeballs, C.I.
	Connected slimeballs who carried out this crime against truth and courage and humanity, but I think they're the underground.
	I think we know the overground perpetrators.
	It's the media.
	It's the New York Times.
	It's the Washington Post.
	It's the Los Angeles Times, who did an assassination attempt on him, on Gary Webb, when more and more people became aware of the... A credibility assassination.
	A credibility, a character assassination, and they're doing it now posthumously.
	And I think we've got to realize that we can go after them.
	And I was recalling the FAIR.org organization, the Media Monitor, which has become kind of watered down in recent years, but originally their editor went to the New York Times, which is one of the biggest conduits for CI disinformation, and he asked them why they weren't publishing this evidence of CI involvement in drug trafficking.
	That's available in the public record.
	And their top investigative reporter told them, we're never going to allow that information to get to the public.
	That would destroy the system.
	But because it was not in a public forum, they could admit this kind of stuff.
	And I think people have got to realize that the CIA, even according to Carl Bernstein, he couldn't get it written in his own Washington Post, had to get it written in an alternate magazine years ago, that all of the top media, the networks, the New York Times, Washington Post, Time, Newsweek, had not collaborated with the CIA all throughout the Cold War and planting
	No, I know.
	Thanks for the call.
	I appreciate it.
	Yeah, and Fox News, one of the contributors to the special report with Brett Humes, NPR people.
	It's a joke, folks.
	It's a joke.
	Let's talk comments, Paul.
	Well, yeah, the character assassination hasn't stopped either.
	Miami Herald with the headline, you know, Webb's research based on discredited reports.
	When the congressional investigations, which proved it, I mean, you just had a former head of DEA who was witness to it.
	So the character assassinations continue.
	The obituary in the LA Times was scathing as well, which is why we're going to put up this page later on today with all this evidence thrown in with these interviews today, which will counter that.
	Yeah, the real obituary.
	William, I believe it's Dr. Deagle.
	What's going on?
	Hi, Alex.
	Just on today.
	Hello.
	Hello?
	Yes, sir.
	Go ahead.
	You're still on because the...
	Oh, great.
	All of a sudden, it sounded like it disappeared.
	I want to come from a different point of view.
	I know Delta, Special Ops, the Navy, and so on, and everything you say and your experts say just now is absolutely the truth.
	These drugs are coming in, and I'm going to ask them, if they're listening now, and a lot of them are Christians, and they've seen these drugs come in on naval ships and C-130s when they're coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq.
	I want them to speak up and call this radio program today or other days and
	As we stand up in the tens and the hundreds and the thousands, we're going to start coming against this drug war.
	And then I wanted to mention two other things that haven't been mentioned so far.
	The war on drugs is also a war on pain patients and pain doctors.
	And where's all this money going?
	It's going into weird projects that we don't need to discuss.
	By the trillions of dollars in the last number of years.
	And it's subverting the very basis of the Constitution, which is that
	The Congress determines where money is spent, and there's trillions of dollars that's coming in illegally to these weird projects that we can discuss on another date.
	Yeah, the drug war is hundreds of billions a year that the globalists make off of, and then they make money fighting it and set up the police state.
	And then they're persecuting people who are dying.
	They can't get their pain medications, and they're putting doctors like Dr. Hurwitz now in Virginia who's going to jail.
	It looks like multiple life sentences for trying to treat pain patients.
	This is...
	The end of America.
	And if people don't speak up now, that means you people on the front line that are in CIA and DEA, you've got to start speaking up now because you're on the inside like I've been.
	And you've got to speak up now or your America will be gone.
	And the system will destroy you whether you serve it or not.
	Thanks for the call.
	And we've all got to stand up.
	We've all got to get involved.
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	Rick and Reno!
	You're on the air with Paul Watson.
	Go ahead.
	Hello, gentlemen.
	It's an honor.
	Listen, Alex, I have a question for you.
	Sure.
	If you were to be given the choice between appearing with Bill Maher, who yucks it up with former CIA directors, you know, war criminals, or with Jon Stewart, who yucks it up with Henry Kissinger and other various war criminals, or with George Norrie, who is a friend of the people, whose show would you choose to appear on?
	George Norrie, that show's bigger than the Daily Show, and it's bigger than the other one.
	Well, here's my thing, sir.
	With your permission, I have email addresses for George Norrie and for the producer of Coast to Coast AM.
	I believe we need to have you on.
	I believe we need to take the initiative here, because the government's going to crank up this information on Gary Webb.
	Yeah, they do have me on that show on a routine basis, and that is a good idea to go on.
	I don't want to lobby them.
	No, I ask your audience, sir, and I will be part of that effort, to email George Norrie.
	That's george at coasttocoastam.com.
	And to ask him to put you on for an emergency Gary Webb program.
	And that's George at coasttocoastam.com.
	And the producer also is coastproducer.
	Yeah, I do.
	I don't want to tell people to lobby him.
	I want your audience to do so, sir.
	Well, they already have me on, and they're great folks, but they'll do what they need to do.
	George at CoastToCoastAM.com Listen, I hear you, Rick, and you're too kind.
	They have me on, and when they want to have me on, they will.
	And people do ask to have me on.
	That's probably why they do, but I don't want to tell folks to lobby and do that.
	But it is a good idea.
	Paul, anything you want to say about that?
	Well, besides that, you know, after I get off the ad, in about two hours, it'll be all over the internet anyway, and the story we're going to put together.
	So, you know, we're going to blitz it out there.
	Yeah, help us spread the word by emailing it out to people.
	Yep.
	Jim in Michigan.
	Go ahead, Jim.
	You had mentioned a number of times in your films how the government was so good about covering up all the evidence at Waco.
	They bulldozed everything.
	Ruby...
	The shooter there was the same one that was at Waco.
	And you were talking about the attitudes of these guys and the evidence to get anybody caught at anything.
	Well, when the government does all that, one of the gentlemen there today mentioned about liars forgetting their lives.
	And Dan Rather had a segment on 60 Minutes, and you'll remember the issue came up about who was shooting first at Waco, and the doors would tell the difference by which way the shards... Yes.
	Well, the doors conveniently disappeared.
	That's what everybody was told when they cleaned everything up.
	Well, when Dan Rather did... Call me back.
	Call me back tomorrow, tonight.
	God bless.
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