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Air Date: June 22, 2004
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	Big Brother.
	Mainstream media.
	Government cover-ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	Well, I am completely, totally, massively...
	Energized.
	Years ago, I would watch a couple hours of television every night, news channels, C-SPAN, just to monitor what the globalists were up to.
	But the propaganda got so bad and so disgusting, and I got so tired of watching the killers stand up there and pose as our saviors, that for my own sanity, I stopped watching television almost entirely.
	We're good to go.
	Wonderful our SWAT teams are, how cameras are going to keep us safe, how world government's good.
	I mean, the local newscasts are more horrible than the national newscasts.
	And last night they had a local newscast, and hence I found a national newscast.
	They want to put metal detectors, face scanners in all the malls.
	And I had remembered how...
	Governor Riz, even before Homeland Security got funding, I typed a two-hour meeting he had on C-SPAN with all these CEOs in a congressional office building.
	And he said, to have a job, you'll have a national ID card, and we'll track and trace everything, and you'll have different levels of security clearance to even have most jobs.
	If you have bad credit, you won't be able to have a job in food service or agriculture or anything because you might be a terrorist.
	Having bad credit is a mark of terrorism.
	You've all heard it now in CAPS, too, with the airports.
	And he went on to say that we're going to then have the bag screeners and people searching you for getting in buses or getting on trains or then to cross bridges.
	We'll have toll roads to pay for the security.
	It'll be in the malls and it'll be everywhere.
	And then now in the last two weeks we've heard, oh, there's going to be feds on the buses, feds at the bus terminals, feds at the train stations, feds on the trains.
	And then last night, there I am watching local news, and they say, yeah, Homeland Security's telling the malls they want them to put in, you know, face-scanning cameras, metal detectors, you'll be searched to go in the mall.
	Because, you know, they foiled some low-grade moron who supposedly told an FBI agent who provocateur-ing, yeah, we might want to blow the mall up.
	So now you're going to have to be searched to get in the mall, not just the sports stadium.
	I mean, it's going to be everything.
	Everything.
	They said, don't worry, this is going to be non-invasive.
	It's going to be like Total Recall, where you just walk through the scanner and it scans down through your clothes to your naked body, and there'll be a technician there watching to see if you've got anything suspicious.
	And Schumer, of course, also yesterday proposed, and the government's worshipping it,
	To screen all children at birth with Child Protective Services.
	Just to decide whether you can keep your children or not.
	It already happens if you have any misdemeanors in your background.
	When they enter your name and social security number at the hospital when you have a child, then you get a visit.
	But now it's going to be everybody.
	And of course, Bush has this new program that's been going on in Texas that we told you about over the last few years.
	And that's New Freedom.
	Yes, New Freedom.
	That's where they screen all the elementary and junior high students.
	Most parents aren't even aware of this.
	They set you up in front of a computer and ask you hundreds of questions.
	By the way, a precursor of this, I had this when I was in high school.
	Everybody got it at Anderson High.
	And what, that was about 13 years ago?
	Yeah, I'm pretty young.
	13 years ago, graduating from high school, I had to do it.
	Parents are never told.
	They didn't find me to be mentally ill, though, so I didn't have to go on Prozac or Ritalin.
	But now it's going to be nationwide, all part of the new Soviet, I mean, American freedom.
	So we'll get into this and just so much more.
	I mean, it's an old for massive broadcast.
	And some guests coming up as well.
	You don't want to miss it.
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	Ease the T-Rex of political talk.
	Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	Coming up in about 22 minutes, we've got some guests coming on about new freedom.
	You're not against freedom, are you?
	The...
	An initiative they've already had here in Texas, and Oregon has a similar program, where they screen everyone in the public training centers, the brainwashing camps, for signs of mental illness, and they preemptively order the parents to put the children on Ritalin and Prozac.
	It's new freedom, my friends.
	Freedom is slavery, and war is peace, and ignorance is strength.
	That's coming up.
	And then there's an article out of Florida where a cartoonist for the newspaper does cartoons, and then the FBI dropped by and said, your cartoons are lying about Bush.
	Better watch it.
	And this is in the Associated Press.
	It's all part of the new freedom.
	Also, there's a new teddy bear out that says Bush kills Arab babies, and the FBI's been having to visit them, you know, criticizing the Lord.
	He's not accepted.
	I mean, Bush has said in his own memos, they're above the law.
	And Bush has said that everybody at Guantanamo are, quote, killers.
	They don't deserve trials because he says they're all guilty.
	That sounds like freedom, too.
	I mean, that's what Saddam did.
	He would just claim people were evil and have them interned and tortured.
	So, I mean, if Saddam does it, it must be good for our president to do it.
	I mean, he was the supreme leader of Iraq.
	Bush, Gitmo Bay captives are killers.
	President Bush said Monday that the captives held by the United States and Cuba are killers and terrorists and not prisoners of war.
	Isn't that nice?
	Bush said he was trying to decide whether the Geneva Convention, the international rules governing the treatment of POWs, cover the suspected terrorists.
	He heard arguments from the National Security Council on Monday, but made no determination and offered no timetables.
	Yeah, his appointed National Security Counsel.
	It's like, let's see what my 9-11 commission says that I appointed.
	Oh, they say I did nothing wrong.
	Well, there you go.
	I listened to all the legalisms and announced my decision when I make it, he told reporters in the Rose Garden.
	And it says he was with the Afghan interim leader, Ahmed Karzai, the Unicole executive.
	So, isn't that just precious that...
	But, I mean, he is the law.
	Judge Dredd.
	Judge, jury, and executioner.
	I mean, he is the supreme leader.
	They say, his own White House says that he's above federal law.
	And they've always had these executive orders.
	But, I mean, they've never really tried to go out publicly and say that they're absolute rulers.
	By the way, that's the very definition of dictatorship, when the leader is the supreme leader and can do nothing wrong and is above all laws.
	He is the law.
	I am the law.
	I am the law.
	I am God.
	Look at me.
	Ha ha ha.
	I'll keep you safe from the terrorists.
	Never mind, they're all my business partners and I protect them.
	Ha ha ha.
	I mean, come on.
	And we've got O'Reilly, the ultra-liberal, up there on his show.
	Calling Iraqis primitives and saying we should just bomb the whole country, pull out and just bomb them that 98% of them deserve to die.
	I've got the quotes right here on national TV.
	The same show that's been out promoting torture.
	We've become a really sick society.
	Well, that is the people they've put out there are sick, trying to get us as little social animals to accept it as normal because the big shots say it.
	Well, the guy in the $2,000 suit with the $200 tie, O'Reilly says it, looking at the teleprompter, why it must be okay.
	He does the power hand gestures and...
	Maybe torture's good.
	No, if you have a moral compass, you can't be swayed that torture's wrong.
	Or you've got to accept the fact that maybe Joseph Mingula wasn't so bad after all.
	I happen to think he was evil, but again, maybe you disagree now.
	Or maybe you have double-think in your mind.
	It's bad when Joseph Mingula tortures people, and then trains our own government how to do it, by the way, but I won't talk about that, do you?
	But it's okay when our government does it.
	So Bush, they're killers, and they don't deserve trials, nothing, because they're killers because I say so, he says.
	But you did fly out their leaders, didn't you?
	And by the way, in Reichstag, Bush likens terrorists to Nazis.
	Funny, Hitler blew up the Reichstag, firebombed it to get martial law, fatherland security in Iraq, and, I mean, in Germany.
	And I've got an article here about martial law in Iraq, excuse me.
	And now Bush is there likening Hitler to the terrorists.
	Which I have to agree with.
	I mean, your grandfather was business partners with him.
	Most Nazi money went through his hands even after the war.
	I mean, it's a good likeness.
	I would agree.
	The terrorists attacked us to get our freedom.
	The Nazis attacked to get the Germans' freedom to scare them into submission.
	You attacked to scare us into submission, Bush.
	Berlin.
	President George W. Bush stood in the well of Germany's reconstructed Reichstag and called the terrorist groups the United States and its allies are hunting down the new totalitarian threat
	And in a clear reference to Hitler, compared them to others who killed in the name of racial purity.
	Racial purity?
	The terrorists aren't... I mean, even if it was radical Muslims doing all this, which it isn't, they're not into racial purity.
	Your grandfather was, though.
	Bush's speech under the spectacular glass dome of the Bundestag in the symbol of a unified Germany sought to reassure a skeptical audience about his intentions as he pursues his next steps against terrorism.
	During a news conference, he promised to consult with Germany and other allies before taking action against Iraq.
	He said, we've got to deal with it.
	The President's remarks...
	And the Fuhrer said that they were enemies of the state.
	He was the Supreme Fuhrer.
	He could do what he wanted to.
	The President's remarks, the first by any President in the Reichstag building, seemed well-received, although his appearance was punctuated at one point by a demonstration of four members of the former East German Communist Party, see, the left always staging it, so Bush must be conservative, who unveiled a banner that said, Stop Your Wars, and then marched out.
	Oh boy, that's very interesting.
	By the way, I mean, just sealing the facts that Ralph Nader's not very good, folks.
	By the way, he just had selected his new VP running mate.
	This is a side issue of elections.
	The former head of the Socialist Workers Party.
	This is a side issue on Ralph Nader.
	A lot of interesting things happening right now.
	Cheney needs to step aside for the good of Bush and party.
	James Gannon, former...
	Wall Street Journal writer and now the editor of the Des Moines Register.
	He goes through how he worships Cheney, how good Cheney is, but because of all the corruption charges, which none of which are true, of course, he needs to step down for McCain.
	McCain.
	A Manchurian candidate.
	You know, we've had his...
	Former people who were in prison with him on the air, how day one he turned against them, was a little rat servant, but we get to hear how good he was.
	Of course, he's a gun-grabbing, open-border-promoting, New World Order minion, but hey, the neocons love him!
	And they're saying, step aside, Lord Cheney, for Lord McCain.
	Very serious when USA Today has an editorial saying, step down, Cheney.
	Oh my goodness.
	You know, just some positive news, some interesting news.
	Plus, it looked like a Buck Rogers rocket, didn't it?
	I should have talked about it yesterday.
	You know, the government says they don't have any space planes that can fly out of the atmosphere, though it's 40-year-old technology.
	The Germans had designs for the space shuttle.
	Do you know that?
	Wernher von Braun in the 30s was drawing up diagrams of the space shuttle.
	They tell us that's our most cutting-edge thing in 2004.
	But it's well known the government, with its black budget funding, has fleets of black manna and auroras, which are large militarized aircraft with particle beams and hydrogen bombs soaring about in space.
	But now this little private company shows that with their little rocket plane.
	A plane soars out of Earth's atmosphere, associated press.
	An ungainly, gangly-looking rocket plane punched through the Earth's atmosphere and then glided home to a desert landing Monday in history's first privately-financed manned spacecraft.
	A voyage that could hasten the day when the final frontier is opened up to paying customers.
	And, uh...
	This is the pilot, Mike Melville, took Spaceship One at 62.2 miles above Earth, just a little more than 400 feet above the distance considered to be the boundary of space.
	He was totally...
	You know, zero, geez, there were no gravity, or little gravity.
	The flight lasted just 90 minutes.
	The spaceship, with its flat fuselage and spindly white wings, was carried aloft under the belly of a carrier jet.
	The jet then released the spaceship, and its rocket engine ignited, sending it hurtling towards space at only three times the speed of sound.
	It left a vertical white vapor trail in the brilliant blue sky.
	Spaceship One touched down in the Mojave Desert at 8.15 a.m.
	to cheers and applause.
	Melville 63 said seeing the curvature of the Earth was almost a religious experience.
	It was really an awesome sight, he said.
	I'd say it's a religious experience seeing God's creation.
	It was like nothing I'd ever seen before, and it blew me away.
	And it only cost $10 million.
	I don't know.
	And they didn't spend a lot of money on it.
	The Spaceship One project was funded by Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen, who said the project cost just a little more than $20 million.
	So there's some positive news.
	Man, this government's got spacecraft.
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	I mean, they have spacecraft that are just incredible.
	I wish we could see them.
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	We've got two guests coming up talking about forced drugging of the entire population, hooking electrodes up to all the children's heads, run and paid for by the drug companies in the schools, who then order your parents to put you on drugs.
	Again, it's new freedom.
	It's all part of the new freedom.
	What's going on here in Texas, since I was a senior in high school 13, 14 years ago,
	And they have a different name then, and it's going on in a lot of other states under other names, and again, it's New Freedom.
	If you're against it, you're not for freedom.
	Bush to screen population for mental illness.
	President Bush plans to unveil next month a sweeping mental health initiative that recommends screening for every citizen, not just children, and promotes the use of expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs favored by supporters of the administration.
	The new Freedom Initiative, according to a progress report, seeks to integrate mentally ill patients fully into the community by providing services in the community rather than institutions.
	The British Medical Journal reported, so see, the whole system's geared, but then you read deeper into it, it's to find out who might be mentally ill and pre-treat you.
	Yes, preschool.
	The commission said each year young children are expelled from preschools and child care facilities for severely disruptive behaviors.
	Jumping around and not being disciplined is a mental problem.
	And they went on to recommend not just psychotropics or amphetamine-type drugs, but antipsychotics for children as young as 12 months.
	Remember about three years ago, the governor of Oregon said that they need to start drugging children at birth and pre-screening mothers who have environmental statistics that would show they might have a mentally ill child.
	It says schools, the panel concluded, are the key position to screen the 52 million students and 6 million adults who work at the schools.
	So see, it's not just the criminal justice system you've got to try to stay out of now with all the new crimes, but you've got to go to the thought police for your safety and be investigated.
	The commission recommended that the screening be linked with treatment and support, which is a militarized arm, including state-of-the-art treatments using specific medications for specific conditions.
	They have all these dozens of new mental illnesses.
	The Texas Medication Algorithm Project, or TMAP, was held up by the panel as a model of medication treatment plan that illustrates an evidence-based practice that results in better consumer outcomes.
	Again, everyone at Anderson High, I guess it was 13 years ago when I was a senior, was sat down for a couple of hours for a week.
	Let me see, seven times two is 14 hours.
	Electrodes hooked to the head, watching computer screen, sounds like freedom.
	And I was found to be okay, but it was kind of a Goals 2000 system as well.
	They told me what I should be.
	They told me I should be a school teacher.
	How surprising, adding to their ranks.
	The TMAP started in 1995 as an alliance of individuals from the pharmacological industry at the University of Texas in the Mental Health and Correction System of Texas.
	Well, that can't be, because they were doing it years before that to me, folks, and again, right here in Austin.
	I must have been one of the pilot schools, you know?
	Also was praised by the American Psychiatric Association, the same people that have come out and said pedophilia isn't bad, who called for increased funding to implement the overall plan.
	But the Texas project sparked controversy when a Pennsylvania government employee revealed state officials with influence over the plan had received money and perks from drug companies who stand to gain from it.
	Well, they run the program.
	The drug company doctor there is scanning your brain.
	Alan Jones, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector General, says in his whistleblower report, The Potential Pharmacological Alliance...
	The political pharmacological alliance that developed the Texas Project, which promotes the use of newer, more expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs, was behind the recommendation of the new Freedom Commission, which were poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness with expensive, patented medications of questionable benefit and deadly side effects.
	And to force private insurers to pick up more of the tab.
	Well, I mean, if parents know now that
	Many of the injections your children are given have 250 times safe levels of mercury.
	I mean, you'll give them deadly antipsychotics that cause death in many cases, massive increase in suicide, heart expansion, brain shrinkage, retardation of growth and mental aptitude.
	So what?
	I mean, you know, it's freedom!
	It's new freedom!
	You're not against new freedom, are you?
	It's like the Patriot Act.
	It's a patriot.
	You're not against patriots, are you?
	You're not against torture.
	It's a loving thing we do.
	You're not against war.
	It brings us peace.
	Don't be smart.
	That's Al-Qaeda-ish.
	Ignorance is strength.
	We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.
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	Welcome back, folks.
	33 minutes and 20 seconds into this first hour.
	We've got Jim Godstein, Vice President and CEO of the Law Project for Psychiatric Rights, joining us.
	Coming up in the next hour, we're going to have Dr. Grace Johnson.
	Coming on to talk about, well, this Brave New World situation.
	And again, we've aired the last speech that Aldous Huxley ever gave at Berkeley in 1962, the author of Brave New World from 1933, saying that the book was about the plans government had then for forced drugging and mind control.
	And again, he was in government, his brother was in government, the first head of UNESCO in the late 1940s.
	I mean, this is the plan.
	This is control.
	It's not just that these companies want to sell drugs to us and force us to take them, but they're also owned by the military-industrial complex.
	And now I can sit here and read this Associated Press article where they're going to force basically everybody on this stuff.
	Already one in ten people in England are on these drugs.
	And the numbers are racing towards that point here in the United States.
	And federal courts are ruling that you have to take this stuff.
	And, you know, one doctor is in this article talking about, again, deadly side effects.
	And they're not just talking about Ritalin and Prozac now.
	That increases suicide and causes heart attacks and all the stuff that we've gone over here, the horrible things.
	Now it's these new anti-psychotics.
	And I remember the governor of Oregon three years ago, who was a psychiatrist himself, saying, we need to look at the population, and one in seven women is going to have a mentally ill child.
	By environmental points and by being poor, we can look at who's at risk and start drugging one-year-olds.
	I mean, I remember reading the governor's press release.
	I thought I had fallen into some type of time warp and was in Brave New World or something.
	But again, this says it started in Texas in 1995.
	Well, that's not true, folks, because I was graduating from high school 13 years ago, and they hooked the whole school up, all the seniors, for several hours a day for an entire week with electrodes on our heads, watching a computer, being asked questions, and I was put through this, and my parents weren't asked.
	I never even told them about it.
	What's going on now in 2004, ladies and gentlemen?
	What's going on now?
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	All right, going to Jim Godstein, Vice President and CEO of the Law Project for Psychiatric Rights.
	Jim, good to have you on with us.
	Thank you for having me.
	It's a pleasure.
	Just in a nutshell, tell us a little bit about yourself, your organization, websites, and then launch into your expert opinion on the situation with this drug company takeover of the schools.
	Well, I'm an attorney, and the Law Project for Psych Rights, or psychrights.org, is a public interest law firm dedicated to attacking, through the legal system, unwarranted, court-ordered psychiatric drugging.
	We have a situation here where literally tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people are forced to take...
	These drugs, and it's not these antidepressants, it's the antipsychotics that you mentioned before that are very, very debilitating, have very, very dangerous side effects, and reduce lifespan significantly.
	Well, did you hear when the governor three years ago in Oregon, a psychiatrist himself, said that one in seven newborns need to be put on these?
	Well, you know, I think people have...
	Kind of lost sight of how ridiculous some of this stuff is.
	I mean, how is it possible that, you know, 15% of the country are mentally ill?
	You know, there's been this supposed epidemic of mental illness, and it just makes absolutely no sense.
	And when you look into it, you see that it's,
	It's really a pharmaceutical drug industry marketing effort, really.
	That's one layer of the onion, sir.
	Would you not agree that the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, the Nazis were really the first to do this, arresting hundreds of thousands.
	You don't like Hitler?
	You're mentally ill.
	We're going to drug you and put you in solitary confinement.
	Well, a lot of people find it hard to believe that things are happening the way that they are in this country.
	I don't know about that, but I think it's very clear that our society as a whole has...
	Really gotten to the point where there's a very narrow range of acceptable behavior and even beliefs to a certain extent.
	And if you don't fit with that, then people want to say that you're mentally ill and they don't like what you're doing and get you locked up and drugged.
	Give us your organization's website, sir.
	It's psychrights.org, P-S-Y-C-H.org.
	We've got a link to that on Infowars.com as well.
	Now, for those that don't know, I have a lot of friends.
	It's in the newspaper all the time.
	I talk to neighbors.
	I mean, their child acts up a little bit, so they demand, the school demands, no doctor, that you put your child on a Ritalin and say, here's the school's doctor.
	Go to him.
	And then they do this, and it causes heart palpitations.
	The heart enlarges.
	The brain shrinks.
	I mean, these are admitted.
	Prozac is now admitted as well as some other drugs to increase suicide risk.
	I mean, this is all out there.
	Now they want even more deadly drugs to be pushed.
	And, I mean, I just... Please get into this new program, this new freedom.
	Talk about Orwellian terms.
	And then I just wanted to add that, you know, they say it comes out of Austin, Texas.
	This was... The entire school went through this when I was a senior in high school, sir.
	This has been going on for decades.
	Well, you have a couple of questions there.
	One with respect to these antidepressants like Prozac, Paxil, etc.,
	They not only cause the things that you mentioned, but they actually cause psychosis.
	They cause people to lose contact with reality.
	It's a well-known effect.
	And so rather than help a lot of people, some people they actually make worse, and then they get into the
	A mental health system and they get increasingly severe treatments with the heavier drugs and even electroshocks sometimes.
	Did you ever read Phil K. Dick's book, A Scanner Darkly?
	No.
	It's being made into a film right now, but in A Scanner Darkly, there's a group in the government that puts out this drug that ruins your mind and they get you and put you in their slave camp.
	I mean, that's a good analogy of this.
	I think...
	I'll take a look at that.
	There's a book called Mad in America, Bad Science, Bad Medicine, and the Enduring Mistreatment of the Mentally Ill by Robert Whitaker, who was the science medicine writer for the Boston Globe when he wrote it, which is really an astoundingly good book about how we treat people that are diagnosed with mental illness.
	Now, back to what's called the TMAP program that started out in Texas, which Alan Jones
	Uncovered the Corruption in Pennsylvania.
	What that is about is it's supposedly this set of questions and answers that basically are supposed to regularize or make predictable what kind of drugs are to be prescribed.
	And what it really does is drive the decisions to what are called the atypicals or the newer neuroleptics,
	Which just so happened to still have patent protection, and therefore the drug companies can charge a lot more money for them.
	Now, let me just add a point to this new freedom project that is new tyranny, a new mind control project is what I would bill it as.
	We have to understand that it's a big deal to have a judge say, because your wife wants your money or your husband wants your money and they want to claim you're mentally ill, so they go to their judge who they're dating and say, put my husband in our psychiatric facility to screen him to see if he's mentally ill.
	That takes a court order.
	That's a big deal.
	This is a system to make all adults...
	And starting where they talk about having a captive audience, to actually say that, in the public schools, to make you go through a system, whereas if it was a criminal investigation or a psychiatric investigation, you'd have to have a court order or something.
	This is actually a screening project, and the parents aren't even going to be asked.
	They're just going to make this part of the education.
	Again, it's like some horrible science fiction movie.
	Well, the new Freedom Commission, I agree it's an interesting name, kind of Orwellian, is somewhat of a mixed bag.
	There was actually a recommendation that the long-term effects of these drugs really need to be studied because none of these drugs have really been... Well, let me put it this way.
	Approval of these drugs is based on basically six...
	Six-week trials, and these trials are kind of, they're rigged, I think is a fair way to say it.
	Well, the drug companies run their own trials.
	That's right.
	And see, the great thing about what's coming out about these, what's called the SSRI, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, which are these antidepressants that have been coming out, the Paxil and Prozac and all that, is
	Is that they've really started to look into how the drug companies rig them.
	And one of the things that they do is they hide the studies that turn out badly.
	And the other thing that they do is that they really cook the numbers.
	For example, if someone, these studies basically compare the drugs to someone what's on called a placebo, which is basically a sugar pill or an inert pill.
	And so what they do in this case is what they call wash out people that respond to placebo.
	So the ones that really do well on the placebo, they take out...
	From the test.
	And those studies, I've read those studies on air, those actually show that statistically sugar pill works better than Prozac.
	And I would go back to back up what you said earlier, in the 82, 83 trials of Prozac showed a huge increase in suicide, and that was covered up.
	Right.
	Well, one of the things that I think people don't really think about in terms of placebo is that actually placebos can be very powerful medicine.
	And, of course, they're not dangerous.
	And there's a very famous study, I think in the 20s, an industrial management one, was it by Taylor or Skinner or someone, where they were testing different things on workers on the production line to see what worked.
	And it turns out that everything worked.
	And again, in the 20s and 30s, testing on workers to make them better worker ants, bees, in factories.
	And again, when did Huxley write Brave New World?
	In the 30s.
	And he said in a speech, this is the government plan.
	I've been in the government.
	This is what we plan to do to you by 2000.
	And now it's 2004, and it's happening.
	Well, you know, there's some other things that...
	That I could mention, too.
	I don't think you've even talked about the implantable year-long drug that I forget which company is working on where they get a court order to implant a time-release capsule in your body to release these neuroleptics over.
	Over the course of a whole year.
	This is the new freedom.
	Well, it's not really out of the new freedom.
	No, no, I mean, that's a term I've always used.
	Oh, the new freedom.
	The new freedom is being a slave, and now they call the program new freedom.
	But I call this whole New World Order the new freedom.
	I did see that, and now last week, oh, for depression, we put a port in your neck, hooked into your brain, and we run these wires in, and it's a little system, and there's going to be court orders because we say you're depressed to take this brain implant.
	I'm sure you're aware of that.
	Right.
	Did you see that last week?
	I mean, we're entering health, sir.
	I don't mean to be going, this is driving me crazy.
	Maybe I need an implant right now because of this.
	I mean, they're openly... Yeah, tell us about the time-released implants.
	Well, I think I just did.
	The drug companies, I forget which one, are testing a delivery device that they can implant in people so that it will...
	Release over the course of a year.
	And the reason for that is they call it noncompliance.
	You know, these drugs are very, very debilitating.
	Most people, when they see people that have been diagnosed with serious mental illness and recognize them, what they're really seeing is the effect of the drugs, you know, the kind of zombie-like state and even literally slobbering.
	And drooling and... And now they're going to give us... Those are the drugs, and so people don't like them.
	And so they can't get them to take them.
	And so they say, oh, well, we'll make them take them by putting this device that releases it for a year.
	And by the way, I remember reading that article a few months ago.
	They said they're going to implant it deeply in the body so you can't even dig it out, folks.
	I mean, I'm living in a scary science fiction movie.
	But I'm not eating popcorn, Mr. Godstein.
	Right.
	Yeah, no, I know.
	I mean, this is what psych rights is trying to fight.
	And I think it's basically not legal what they're doing.
	It's unconstitutional what they're doing.
	And there are reasons why the trial courts have looked away from it.
	And that's, in my view, because...
	They've been sold this bill of goods that this is really good for people and it's what people need when in fact it's not.
	But we better start organizing now and educating people now because...
	I mean, take the vaccines.
	250 times safe level of mercury in the MMR and in the flu shot.
	They've actually increased it, not taken it out.
	And if parents will do that when it's known to brain damage children, they're going to do this.
	I mean, what is wrong with us?
	Stay there, Jim.
	I want to get into your website and how to fight this with you when we get back.
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	Folks, Bush Sr.
	is on the board of Eli Lilly, the manufacturer of one of these antipsychotics, the drugs recommended in the plan, the group that helped fund the setup of this in Texas, now spreading to other states.
	The elder Bush, again, was a member of Lilly's board of directors, and President Bush appointed Lilly's chief executive officer, Sidney Terrell, to the Homeland Security Council, part of the Homeland, drugging us.
	And it says of Lilly's 1.6 million in political contributions in 2000, 82% went to Bush and the Republican Party.
	And again, the Bushes are on the boards of these big private prison industries, where they then pack the private prisons.
	So if they can't get you in prison, they're going to say you're mentally ill.
	You understand they're going to implant you
	They're going to put in ports in your neck and put wires into your brain?
	Folks, you saw it on the news last week.
	Testing all the children.
	They're already starting universal drug testing.
	Getting them used to doctors seeing your children on a weekly basis.
	Interviewing them.
	Police in all the schools now having them write journals about their family life.
	What's in the medicine cabinet?
	What do mommy and daddy do?
	Do they spank you?
	I mean, this is kind of a super Nazi Soviet system of control.
	We're good to go.
	I think?
	Jim, getting more into the connections in government to this, and the big drug companies setting this up and basically running this, I mean, this is so obvious, so transparent, and these drugs are admittedly so deadly, but the general public isn't informed.
	How do we inform people?
	How do we warn people?
	Well, I think that what you're doing is great, and the Internet is really a great way to disseminate information.
	For example, on...
	On the psychrights.org website, we have a webpage called Scientific Research by Topic.
	And we actually pull the full articles out and scan them if we have to or download them and stuff under the fair use doctrine of the copyright laws and post the whole articles there so that people have access to this information if they know where to go
	And get it.
	For example, one of the things that we post are studies that show that most of the relapses, psychotic relapses of people on the drugs when they quit taking the drugs, you hear all the time about how they quit taking their drugs and then they did something terrible.
	Well, it turns out that that is more often than not
	Really, the withdrawal from the drug.
	These drugs cause changes in the brain.
	Well, every mass shooter we've seen has been on the drugs.
	On or recently off.
	It puts them into this mesmerized... I mean, Prozac is listed as, in the hallucinogen family, it puts you into this mesmerized dream world.
	Well, there's no question that it both causes...
	Psychosis for some people when they're given it, and it even causes more psychosis for people when they go off of them.
	And this is true of this category of drugs that you talk about, the antidepressants, and also particularly true of the neuroleptics as well.
	Well, I know people who go on one of these drugs, they get worse, they're doing crazy things, you know, freaking out, and then they end up on four drugs.
	And then they end up, people who were just a little depressed, five years later are in a mental institution.
	That's right.
	That's exactly right.
	It's absolutely incredible, Jim.
	And the mainstream media just seems to love this.
	I mean, they won't tell people because they're owned by the drug companies.
	The mainstream media has a lot of the same people on their boards that are on the drug company boards.
	Yeah, and I think, you know, at a certain point, you know, I'm still hopeful that at a certain point they'll have to recognize it and some of the stuff that's going on.
	I think we're seeing it a little bit because of... Stay there.
	We've got a break, sir.
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	I'm angry, I'm upset.
	We should all be scared of what's happening and get involved.
	Bush wants drug testing of all the children in the schools to get them into the criminal justice system when the government brings in the narcotics to begin with.
	Then the...
	Very people running the government own the private prisons.
	For years, they have been doing brain testing of all the students in public schools, and now Bush wants it to go nationwide.
	The governor of Oregon a few years ago, I've talked about this, says that one in seven children needs to be drugged at birth with antipsychotics just because of environmental statistics that they quote might be mentally ill.
	They're saying 15% of the population is mentally ill.
	They may want to upgrade that to 18%, they're saying.
	I mean, we're all mentally ill people.
	We all need to be drugged with deadly things that shrink our brains and enlarge our hearts and make us go crazy.
	I mean, this is sick.
	This is sick.
	And I am so angry about new freedom.
	And in this new freedom document, they say the ideal place is the public schools because we have a captive audience.
	I'll go over their own.
	And the people inside the system are blowing the whistle on this.
	And we're joined by psychologist Dr. Grace Jackson.
	We've had Jim Godstein, CEO and Vice President of the Law Project for Psychiatric Rights on the last 30 minutes.
	And I've been all over the map because, folks, I mean, this is as bad as it gets.
	This makes the Soviets look friendly.
	This is so sick.
	Boy, I tell you, the drug companies running the systems in the school, saying your child's mentally ill,
	And getting them into the system and putting them on, and they're talking about forced implants into your body that time release it, ports in your neck with wires into your brain.
	You saw it on TV last night.
	They're not playing games.
	They're making people do this.
	Dr. Grace Jackson, good to have you on.
	I'm sure you know who Jim Godstein is.
	I sure do.
	Mr. Jones, I just wanted to correct something you said.
	I'm actually not a psychologist.
	I'm a psychiatrist.
	I just said psychiatrist.
	I can blame that on the person running the board.
	She told me you were a psychologist.
	I'm just joking.
	Go ahead.
	No problem.
	So you're a medical doctor of the mechanics of the brain and not a psychologist, okay.
	That's correct, and it's an important distinction.
	It is a huge distinction, and that's what I thought I had here in my notes.
	Well, your critics will try to undermine the credibility of anyone who shares your viewpoint, as I am sure you are aware.
	Oh, I'm fully aware.
	I had psychiatrist here, and then I was told, nope, it's psychologist.
	Oh, no, no, you got it correct.
	Okay, good.
	You know, we're about to break here in a minute.
	We've got stations that carry the news, so everybody will be hearing you after this break.
	But, Doctor, what do you think?
	I mean, how do you deal with this?
	This is so out of control.
	Well, I think one of the ways to deal with this is to work with folks like Jim Gottstein, who is a man of high integrity, who is doing his best to protect the rights of individuals and families who are up against something which he has derived a wonderful term for this.
	And I don't know if he shared that with you in your interview with him, but he has called what is happening the pharmacost.
	And I think that really sums it up very beautifully.
	It is a holocaust.
	I mean, this stuff has maimed millions, killed tens of thousands, admittedly.
	Well, I think it's always prudent to be cautious about too much hyperbole.
	And at the same time, many folks truly have been damaged beyond repair and have died because of these drugs.
	And other interventions such as lobotomies and electroshock therapy, other individuals have been able to tolerate these interventions and to survive with them.
	However, I would say that there is a big difference between holding up these interventions as a gold standard given the fact that doctors are held accountable for doing what's called a risk versus benefit analysis.
	And when you really look at the risk of these different very aggressive interventions in the brain,
	From my own research, it appears that there are far less assaultive and far less toxic methods of working with individuals, but as a society and as a nation, we seem to have given up on those other types of intervention, and I think that's what's tragic here.
	Okay, Doctor, we've got a break.
	We'll come back with Jim Gottstein, who's going to be on with you.
	I'm looking at the Associated Press report here.
	Saying that they're going to test everybody in the schools, now the adults, they're going to force us on this.
	I mean, this is really happening.
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	Okay.
	Just to give you the atmosphere.
	In the last 12 hours, the president has come out himself and said that anybody they arrest under terrorism, which can be any misdemeanor under Section 802 of H.R.
	3162, doesn't get a trial because, quote, they're killer terrorists.
	The feds have come out with legislation to put airport screening technology in the malls.
	Now, again, I saw Ridge say this two years ago on C-SPAN.
	Here it is.
	Here's another one.
	Associated Press.
	Silence can be turned into a criminal offense.
	Now, remember when they first ruled on part of this a few months ago, I said this because I read the ruling.
	Well, now there's another ruling on the case.
	And it says the government will now be able to turn a person's silence into a criminal offense.
	A sharply divided Supreme Court has ruled five to four that Americans have no constitutional right to silence.
	No Fifth Amendment.
	Prophecy right advocates say the ruling essentially opens a can of worms.
	I mean, folks...
	I don't think you realize I've got stacks of these.
	Stacks of these.
	I've got another Long Beach article, Long Beach Press Telegraph, giving examples of them using it against pot dealers, county commissioners, you know.
	The Patriot Act!
	And then I see articles every week where they're forcing people on Ritalin, forcing them on...
	Serotonin uptake inhibitors, Prozac-type drugs, lawsuits, people dying from this stuff, suicide increased risk, major medical journals saying this.
	This is horrible.
	And we're joined by Dr. Grace Jackson, a psychiatrist.
	And Jim Godstein.
	And Jim and Dr. Jackson, you guys have got the floor.
	I mean, what's the most important things for people to know about the progress of this and how we stop them from testing all our children and trying to force more and more of us onto this?
	And the President's big announcement he's scheduled to make next week to federally push all this.
	I mean, you guys have got the floor.
	Tell us all about it.
	Hey, Jim.
	Okay, well, we have at psychrights.org a little piece that's really a plan of how to go about this.
	It's called, it's unwarranted, court-ordered psychiatric medication, a call to action.
	And there are a number of pieces to it, and one, of course, is what we're doing right now, which is educating.
	The second one, I think, and what we're really all about,
	is an organized legal campaign to enforce people's rights against this stuff.
	What you see happening is that people don't get any kind of vigorous representation in the main.
	And one of the things, for example, is the legal system is kind of this ritualized verbal combat.
	And one of the things is
	Is the issue of experts.
	And so the state always comes in with, you know, one of their on-staff psychiatrists who solemnly intones that this person is mentally ill and regrettably needs these medications to protect himself or society.
	And the way that the legal system works is that if you don't have a psychiatrist on the other side, you automatically lose.
	Thank you.
	The classic, if you want to use the word, model of that was the Thurgood Marshall and the NAACP's legal effort against legalized segregation in the 40s and 50s that was quite successful.
	And so we're trying to mount that kind of an effort.
	And this piece we have on our website, Unwarded Court Ordered Medication, a call to action, is...
	Is a description of that.
	Well, briefly going back to a point you made, the government has their on-site psychiatrist, who, of course, always say that you're mentally ill.
	It's like the Soviet Union saying, you know, you're mentally ill, we're going to grab you, and now they're going to test everybody in the schools, go after the adults, and it's the big pharmacological companies running the program, selling the drugs, pushing them, and then they've got their own doctors saying, you're all crazy, you've got to take it, 15% of us are nuts, we've all got to be on it.
	I mean, doctor, this is so transparent, Dr. Jackson.
	I mean, do you see an awakening to this tyranny taking place?
	Well, it's transparent to you and to Jim and to me, but what you have to appreciate is that, number one, most doctors who attend medical school are just trying to do one thing.
	They're trying to find their next 12 hours or 8 hours of sleep, and they're just trying to survive.
	And by the time you come out of medical school, unfortunately...
	Medical school is typically, at least in my experience, not the kind of place that rewards or encourages critical thinking skills.
	In my own case, I went through a very classic conventional medical school training and did my residency in psychiatry in the US Navy.
	It took me some time to really wake up and to realize that the medications were creating permanent patients, that they were making people sicker.
	And that people were recovering with much greater success if they were not being put on these medications.
	And that's the job of Big Pharma that writes the rules and runs the congressional committees and gets the president into power.
	That's what they want is bigger business.
	I think the problem now, Alex, is that the... I don't know to what extent things can be saved at the highest levels in our country anymore.
	I think the Supreme Court ruling on HMOs the other day was a good example.
	Yeah, can't sue them.
	Right, and I think
	It's almost beyond the point of expecting or hoping that the Congress, which is just as guilty as the White House and the Supreme Court, in my estimation, for not protecting the public, has really... I'm not sure if it's to the point where it can be corrected.
	What I think is the hope, if any, is to try and reach consumers themselves so that families themselves
	No, they're right.
	No, they're right.
	But doctor, I mean, here's a case point example.
	You're 10-year-old.
	They've got Coke machines in the halls.
	He's drinking three Cokes a day, two Snickers bars.
	He's bouncing off the walls.
	I mean, if you gave a puppy that, the puppy would be bouncing off the walls.
	You're not supposed to do that.
	It's obviously the Coke machines.
	They know darn well what they're doing.
	Then your child gets in trouble for speaking out of hand.
	Instead of being disciplined or looking at their nutrition, they say, oh, got to put them on Ritalin.
	You say no, or you do put them on Ritalin.
	They get real sick, start losing weight, black circles around their eyes, heart palpitations.
	I mean, I've read the news articles here 50 times.
	I've read them once.
	And that's happening.
	Then they come with armed police and grab your child and drag him away.
	And you see him a year later.
	You've lost custody.
	And your child is basically in a coma, drooling in a corner.
	I mean, how do you stop that from happening?
	Well, I know for a fact that there are some states that have finally enacted legislation to protect these families that have lost the custody of children for saying no.
	And when we're talking about stimulant medications, I just want to get in a plug here to underscore what I think are the tremendous toxicities that most families are not informed about.
	One of the facts is that anybody given a stimulant will begin to have increased selective attention.
	So it's not the case that these
	These medications suddenly discern which of the kids who have this illness and who doesn't.
	Any person put on the equivalent of cocaine will have higher focus.
	However, what families are not being told about is the fact that these drugs affect different parts of the brain differently and that the growth rate of children who are on these medications appears to be inhibited for as much as 30 months.
	Now, if you're delaying the skeletal bone growth of a child for 30 months before puberty,
	One has no idea what that is doing to the growth of the brain.
	And the doctors don't even seem to be interested in exploring the facts.
	Well, doctor, I've read the medical reports and had other psychiatrists and other medical doctors, you know, I've had neurologists on.
	They have major studies showing brain shrinkage.
	And those studies have, I'm not sure to what extent those have been replicated.
	I know some of those studies, Henry Nasrella was one who had done a CT scan of folks who had been on stimulants and
	It's always important to understand all the possible factors that could be contributing.
	Well, take Ritalin.
	And now they've got all these new drugs.
	But, I mean, I've talked to doctors.
	The molecule is almost identical to methamphetamine.
	Well, it's actually not the molecule itself that you worry about, but how it acts in the brain.
	And what Ritalin does in the brain is identical to cocaine.
	They're both dopamine transporter antagonists.
	And Nora Volkoff, B-O-L-K-O-W, is like the leading investigator of cocaine and Ritalin.
	In America, probably in the world, and she is a phenomenal researcher.
	However, she draws conclusions that are probably a bit different than my own.
	However, in all of her work, she has absolutely concluded that these two medications, while cocaine versus Ritalin, are identical in terms of what they do in the brain.
	The difference seems to be in their pharmacokinetics, which means how the body actually processes the two drugs.
	But it's concerning enough that many individuals who work in prisons or who work with troubled adolescents, and I've done both, in interviewing people who are cocaine-dependent, I'll frequently stop in the history and ask, well, when did you first get psychiatric help?
	And the story always begins with ADD and Ritalin.
	Now, that's even better than the mainstream news, too, that if you've been on Ritalin, you have a massive increase in now having a taste for narcotics.
	Well, it certainly doesn't seem to be the case that every child who's been put on these drugs at age five or six ends up cocaine-dependent.
	But there's a statistical increase.
	I believe it's triple.
	Well, I don't know that anyone has those facts yet.
	I've seen the articles, but go ahead.
	What concerns me the most, Alex, is the fact that there are researchers in this country whose names I shall conceal, but it's Harvard University, and they're trying to scare...
	And to say that if you don't take a five or six-year-old and put them on Ritalin, they'll develop cocaine dependence in an effort to self-medicate.
	I just want to say something about this issue of self-medicating because it's almost become the watchword of America now.
	With all the advertisements on television, the first thing people tell me when I meet them in an office as a psychiatrist, they come in and they say, Doctor, I have a chemical imbalance.
	And then they'll say, you know, you need to give me something for my chemical imbalance or I'll self-medicate.
	This was unheard of 40 or 50 years ago when people still took responsibility for their actions and for their thoughts.
	I don't know if there are any easy answers.
	I think one of the things is if I were a parent, to group together with other parents and to put pressure on the school board or the school district, and if need be, educate my children
	Outside of a school district that would put these... Okay, did Dr. Jackson stay there and Mr. Godstein stay there?
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	Alex Jones here, back live.
	And I cannot stress how serious this is.
	SWAT team will raid your house looking for a gram of cocaine, but...
	They're pushing something that our medical doctor here is telling us has very similar effects.
	And then Harvard comes out and says, oh, we'll see, you'll self-medicate with the cocaine if we don't give you this.
	I mean, it's sick!
	And of course, the globalists run both sides of the illegal and illegal.
	Just amazing.
	We're talking to Dr. Grace Jackson, psychiatrist, and Jim Godstein, CEO and Vice President of the Law Project, a public interest law firm, the Law Project for Psychiatric Rights.
	We'll give you that website here again in a few minutes.
	This program called New Freedom, going on in Texas here since the early 1990s, now going nationwide.
	Whistleblowers coming out and saying it's run by the drug companies.
	Bush is going to be announcing that this needs to happen nationwide.
	Can you give us some more details of the program, Mr. Godstein or Dr. Jackson?
	Well, the program in Texas, I think, was called the TMAP, which is the Texas Medication Algorithm Program.
	But they're taking that program and they're changing the name now nationwide to New Freedom.
	Well, there was this New Freedom, the President's New Freedom Commission on Mental Health that issued a report, I think maybe a year ago, and that was a separate thing, and what I think came out recently in the British Medical Journal was that they are proposing to screen everybody really for mental illness and then potentially force them to take drugs is the concern.
	And they're really, I think, part and parcel of the same effort to, you know, medicalize everything for people in the country.
	But I'm not sure that those are actually the same program.
	I'm not familiar with the TMAP program.
	In Texas, and then, of course, Alan Jones in Pennsylvania blew the whistle on the corruption involved in that.
	Okay, well, just from the Associated Press article, it says TMAP tested in Texas, now tested in other states, and that Bush is going to announce it nationwide, and they're billing it as New Freedom.
	I understand the commission coming up with all this is called New Freedom, too, with all the Eli Lilly people, but they're saying they're going to call the initiative itself nationwide New Freedom.
	I mean, maybe they're going to come up with some other term, but...
	So how do we stop this?
	Well, one thing, and I hate to be crass about this, but I spend probably 50, 60 or more hours a week pro bono or volunteer trying to help people legally, but there are also costs involved.
	For example, hiring experts such as Dr. Jackson, which the legal system actually requires that they be paid, and it's an arcane thing.
	So
	You know, any donations as psych rights will be used to fight this in a very coordinated way.
	I think that the more people that get involved and just resist this has got to help.
	Dr. Jackson hit on a very important point, which is that other types of interventions, she calls them, I would call them alternatives to the medications,
	...have been shown to be effective, but what happens now is even though people have the legal right to have these alternatives, they're not available, and it's critically important that people be given the choice not to have to take these medications.
	You know, that's a good term you use, pharmacost.
	Why do you call it pharmacost?
	Well, I think that it is...
	It's just the scale of the damage that's being done by these drugs.
	There are literally millions of people around the world whose lives have been ruined by these drugs.
	And in fact, there may even be...
	Certainly hundreds of thousands whose lives have been shortened and tens of thousands who've actually probably died directly from these drugs.
	And so it just seemed like an appropriate term to me to describe the scale of the damage that's being done.
	Well, I mean, the schools are just being turned into big marketing zones for the military, now doing psychological testing on the children to decide who will be a good minion for them, the big pharma in the schools.
	Dr. Jackson, were you aware of the governor a few years ago, who was a psychiatrist himself, in Oregon coming out and saying we may need to drug babies at birth and pre-screen all the mommies preemptively to see if environmental reasons might mean this child might be mentally ill, so in case they might be mentally ill, we need to pre-drug them?
	Wow, no, I didn't hear that.
	It wouldn't surprise me to hear that statement coming from the director or the president of the American Psychiatric Association.
	I'm a little bit surprised that it came from a governor.
	But I think it's really important to appreciate, just sort of backing up, as you were saying, that the new Freedom Mental Health Commission was passed by the president to take... Stay there, unless you do ten more minutes with us.
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	Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	Alright, I'm going to get our guests to give us a few final comments and take just a few calls for them and let them get back to their busy schedules and give out those websites again, which are, you can link through at infowars.com or prisonplanet.com to them.
	We've got links up to their sites.
	But, think about this.
	Bush, our big conservative leader, expanding Department of Education, signing on to the UN and UNESCO, who, by the way, writes the guidelines for all this drugging and brainwashing and
	And it's not just the drugging in the schools and now the expansion of the screening.
	They want to do it to adults.
	And it's, you know, cops in most of the public schools for a semester in the 7th or 8th grade, depending on the school district, for a whole semester having the children write dossiers on mommy and daddy and giving them tattletale cards and giving them $200 if they turn neighbors in.
	I mean, this is like a nightmare.
	It is a nightmare.
	And it's this whole system of control.
	It's always for your best interest.
	It's just amazing.
	But Dr. Grace Jackson, psychiatrist, you were trying to get into Bush and New Freedom.
	Please continue what you were saying.
	Sure.
	I think there was maybe a little bit of confusion as to the Texas medication algorithm and the New Freedom.
	And my understanding is that the New Freedom Mental Health Commission is perhaps coming out with this new report that I have not seen.
	Apparently, you know, it's just been forecast.
	I don't know who has seen the report.
	But it's apparently been leaked to the press that a part of this report
	Well, I don't know how they're going to do that, but the Texas algorithm...
	To my understanding, it's a separate piece, whether or not that's going to be a part of this or not.
	Well, they're saying they're using that as the national model, but Bush is going to say next week, this is the model, this works good, my commission on new freedom wants it, this is the program.
	Wow.
	Well, the Texas algorithm is currently being used in ten states, is my understanding, and many states have elected to use different kinds of guidelines.
	I, as a rule, tend to believe that any kind of algorithm works.
	...is grossly misguided, and I would... Now, tell folks what an algorithm is.
	It's just risk points.
	Yeah, an algorithm is basically a flow chart, and I think this is wonderful in medicine.
	Okay, I'll tell you where flow charts have been terrific.
	For instance, for a heart attack, every intern knows that when a person comes into the emergency room, and if you're an intern, you're pretty overwhelmed trying to learn everything from a garden, a drink from a fire hydrant.
	And it's nice to have a flow chart, because you remember, oh, okay, two liters, nasal cannula, oxygen, aspirin, beta blocker, you know, get the EKG, and off you go.
	And figure out who needs to go to the cath lab to actually have their angioplasty or whatever.
	So algorithms have a legitimate place in medicine, but we have to stop and think for a moment that when we're talking about psychiatry and psychology, we're talking about human behavior and human thinking.
	And we're really crossing out of the area of medicine, I believe,
	Into the territory of philosophy.
	Well, really, that's it.
	I mean, there's not a CAT scan.
	There's not a lesion on the brain.
	There's not something physical we can show.
	It's just...
	You know, the big pharma writes the guidelines.
	We give your child a test.
	Your child's, you know, the flow chart's designed to net the largest group of people.
	Oh, well, we did a scientific test.
	It shows you're mentally ill.
	You have one of these dozens of new mental illnesses, which aren't even mental illnesses in many cases.
	Let's go ahead and give you these drugs.
	One of the things I think that this is leading to is there is this big sales job
	That mental illness is some kind of brain disease or some brain defect, and you talk about the CAT scans and all that.
	And there's really not a shred of evidence that there's anything abnormal about people's brains that cause them to have mental illness.
	And this is even true about the genetic research.
	It's very questionable when you actually look at the study.
	Yeah, a lot of this is... And we never get to go into court on these things, and that's one of the things that we're trying to do.
	Well, yeah, you've just got a psychiatrist who works for Big Pharma, there in the school, running the machines, saying your child's mentally ill, and here's this expensive, synthetic, patented drug that is going to make you sit in the corner and drool, but so what, because I'm a doctor.
	Yeah, I mean, Alex, I hope we're not getting to the point where they're actually going to start scanning the kids at the schools.
	But who knows?
	It may come to that point.
	Ma'am, I'm 30 years old.
	This was done to all the seniors at Anderson High in 1992.
	Head scans?
	They hooked electrodes up to my head.
	All the seniors had to go do it.
	And they would sit there and ask you questions and have you do different things on these maps.
	Incredible.
	And then I did the big, what's the psychological test that's 600 questions long?
	Yeah.
	What's that called?
	MMPI or something.
	Yeah, you know, supposedly the...
	Wow, that's really startling.
	Yeah, so see, this says it started in 95 in Austin, Texas, in testing schools.
	Well, no, it didn't.
	Well, I think it's really important to understand how psychiatry has been able to build itself as this biological disease, you know, what Jim was just saying.
	And the real critical thing for parents to ask doctors who are trying to do this or to ask the school board is to say, where is the test that shows that my child has an abnormal brain?
	Because what happens is if a child, let's say...
	Thank you very much.
	Something terribly wrong that is a medical illness that I'm saying, that's terrific, that should be treated.
	But statistically, doctor, if they're saying 15% of us are mentally ill, 1 in 10 in England now on these drugs... Oh, Alex, you're way off.
	What they really are trying to do is to be sure that every American has a bona fide illness, okay?
	So what they're trying to do, and I have no doubt that they will go this far, is to every time the DSM, the statistical manual that psychiatrists use for diagnosis, that gets revised every time the
	Thank you very much.
	Well, I've just seen the numbers currently that Jim was bringing up, where they say 15% of us are mentally ill.
	Obviously, a big pharma that runs all this is going to say we're all ill, and the men in black uniforms will drop by if we don't take the drugs.
	But all they'll do is hook electrons up to your child's head, say they're mentally ill, give them a test, and then, you know, it's total quackery.
	And then, I mean, but folks...
	I don't know.
	This is just out of control.
	And they admit all the side effects of these drugs.
	Oh, man, I'll tell you.
	I don't know that they do admit the side effects.
	And I guess that's one of the problems that Jim and I are working so hard on.
	Well, it's just all these big medical journals are talking about the suicide.
	Well, they're actually minimizing the actual scope of the problem.
	The problem is that the public can't be expected to understand the sophistication of how the scientists manipulate data.
	And you've probably read about the fact that Columbia University is reanalyzing all those old studies on antidepressants in children.
	It doesn't amount to anything to reanalyze data if the data that was collected originally was tainted.
	Well, what people don't really appreciate is that it takes a good amount of sophistication to understand how the data is manipulated in the first place.
	But it doesn't take sophistication that when I watch TV, what's the new drug where it goes, are you tired?
	Having trouble getting it all done?
	It shows this mom coming home from work, cooking dinner.
	Well, we've got a new stimulant for you.
	What's that drug called?
	Oh, geez, it must be anamoxetine.
	It's probably, I don't know.
	But, I mean, my point is that I even heard an ad, and I'm not kidding, I heard an ad on the radio going, get subscribed for Soma.
	They actually have a new, did you know they have a drug called Soma?
	I did not realize that.
	I mean, how arrogant is this getting?
	How dumb do they think we are?
	Well, I guess they think people have not been reading Orwell.
	Because he said it all in 1984, and I think that he was wildly optimistic, because I think what we're seeing in this country, anyhow, has wildly surpassed what he wrote about in 1984.
	Well, let's take a couple calls, and I'm obviously going to have to have you both back up.
	I mean, this is just frightening.
	Tim in Ohio, you're on the air with Jim Godstein and Dr. Grace Jackson.
	Go ahead, Tim.
	Good afternoon, Alex.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Hello, Jim.
	Hello, Dr. Jackson.
	My question has to do more with epilepsy and this vagus nerve stimulator.
	I have a very close friend who had diagnosed with epilepsy at the age of 16.
	Been on the cocktail of drugs, the Lamictal, the Depakote, the Carnicor, the Keppra.
	Now, Tegretol, she was on first.
	That in the United States was replaced by one of the others, right?
	And now they've got the port in the neck where they plug into the brain, but now they say for depression they're going to use this, and it would seem that that is a medical thing, not a psychiatric doctor.
	Tim, what's your question?
	They evolved from the cocktail drugs to the nerve stimulator, right?
	And every day at exactly 321...
	Complete coughing fits.
	You could set your watch to it.
	And I tried to tell her that they're probably activating that with some type of satellite.
	And, of course, ooh, I'm the conspiracy theorist, but I don't know.
	Now they want to do a special research study to test the efficiency and safety of a substance called SPM-927.
	Wait a minute, wait a minute.
	You're saying your friend is a wirehead.
	She has this port in her neck.
	Already, yes.
	And then she, oh my God.
	Let me just sort of go back here and sort of clarify.
	I have not actually been involved in implanting a vagus nerve stimulator.
	I've read some about this.
	And probably what's helpful for your friend, Tim, and for you to know is that for a long time there's been a debate in psychiatry and neurology as to what is more important, electricity or chemicals.
	And this was a debate that waged in... It was a raging debate in the 1800s, and the group that thought the chemicals were more important called themselves the soups, S-O-U-P-S.
	And the group that thought electricity was more important, because the brain is both... It's electrochemical.
	Yeah, the whole body is.
	And so the group that was voting for electricity called themselves the sparks.
	Okay, let me stop you right there, Doctor, and Tim, I appreciate the call, but this is the point I want to make here.
	If they're forcing...
	Millions of people on these drugs.
	Put your chal on or we're taking them.
	Now if they're coming out for depression, getting FDA approval for the wirehead system, these are Philip K. Dickian term, then common sense goes to show they're going to force people to take this.
	And earlier Jim, doctor, brought up these implantable year-long time release psychotropics and antipsychotics.
	Comments on that?
	Well, the vagus nerve stimulator, remember, if we're talking about epilepsy, then we're talking about a true neurological condition, although it certainly is, so that's very different, okay?
	Sure.
	We're talking about psychiatric, which is a philosophical problem, psychological, versus a neurological condition called epilepsy, for which there are fairly good markers and very objective signs and difficulties.
	The vagus nerve stimulator runs a wire alongside, well, through the neck,
	I think we're good.
	Tim, can I get your friend on who has this?
	Sure.
	Okay, let me get your number.
	I have one more question real quickly to Dr. Jackson.
	I've got loaded phone lines we'll never get to everybody, but go ahead.
	The SPM 927, they wanted to go in and participate in a research study on it.
	What is SPM 927?
	I honestly don't know, and I would just want to be real respectful of your friend's privacy.
	You know, if we're talking about her case, that we sort of have her permission to be talking about these things next time.
	But it would be great... Well, we haven't said her name.
	We haven't.
	But it's always important to respect people's privacy.
	We know a woman in the state of Ohio.
	She could be anywhere.
	But the point is, Tim's a concerned friend, and I think he's asking great questions.
	I don't know SPN 927, Tim.
	Okay, I'm going to have to let Tim go.
	Tim, give me your number and talk to her.
	If she wants me to call her and get her on, we'll do that.
	Okay.
	And Roger in Pennsylvania, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	I've got to go quickly here.
	Yeah, thanks, folks.
	And I think instead of for algorithm, probably better word than flow chart would be method for doing something.
	And I would like to ask, given to varying degrees throughout both psychology and psychiatry, given the precious little that's really known about neurology or the physiology, let alone in the presence of these drugs,
	And then you have these quantum leaps from the physical sciences to the cognitive and then the reductionism to behavioral determinism.
	Do you have a question or a comment?
	I'm going to have to let you go.
	I'd like to ask, do you think it'll be more than 10 or 20 years before a lot of this is revealed as the pseudoscience it is and all that more dangerous than bloodletting, etc., and all those other dark ages things?
	Where it's exposed as more being a control mechanism.
	Okay, thanks for the call.
	Jim, Grace, comments?
	Yeah, well, Roger, I guess the best thing I can say is to describe, I think you're totally on the right track.
	I think the human brain and consciousness are so complex that to answer your question quickly, there'll never be an easy or chemical explanation, nor should there be.
	And the last thing I can say about this is we've invented the Holy Grail.
	Whereby scientists at NIMH and major medical centers, academic centers, etc.
	know that they have permanent job security by just naming the next chemical that they want to say causes any particular kind of abnormal behavior or thought.
	And there's the incentive for the drug companies to keep pushing this and pushing it.
	Jim, comments?
	Yeah, I will say I'm hopeful that this current wave of exposes and exposes and
	About what's happening with these antidepressants will open up this whole thing and that there will be a more critical look within the media about what's going on and really going on because the last time this happened was probably...
	Oh, maybe in the early 70s when there would start to be some questions raised and it was squashed.
	So I feel if we don't really seize this opportunity now with the questions that are being raised, it may be a long time again before there's another opportunity.
	Good point.
	Patrick in Texas.
	Last caller for our guest.
	Go ahead.
	Quickly.
	Yes, I'm in, Leo, and I'd like to say that the Citizens Commission on Human Rights came out with reports about psychiatry abuse, everything from psychiatry rape, psychiatry fraud, and eradicating justice.
	I take how I call it.
	I have trouble understanding you, sir.
	Yes, I came out with the Citizens Commission on Human Rights came out with reports of psychiatric abuse, everything from psychiatry fraud, psychiatry rape, to eradicating justice, to tear the blacks,
	Sounds like that was a comment, Patrick.
	I've been your slave.
	I picked up trash.
	George Bush said that was a good idea when his governor was mentally ill.
	So you're their slave.
	They drug you and you go out and pick up trash.
	Yeah, now, you know, I'm their pet.
	Making them money.
	So, um...
	Again, a scanner darkly.
	They brain damage you and then use you as a slave.
	They have advice in the corner of the center I go to.
	You know, the little infrared little scanners and stuff.
	It's sick.
	And they have an armed deputy.
	All right, listen, I'm sorry to hear that, Patrick.
	Dr. Jackson, Mr. Godstein, both of you, thanks for coming on.
	What are the websites we should know about again?
	PsychRights.org, P-S-Y-C-H.org.
	R-I-G-H-T-S dot org.
	Okay.
	And, Doctor, thank you for coming on.
	Thank you.
	God bless you.
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	Whether it is drugs, child abuse, mental illness, environmental crimes, none of this is enforced on the globalist.
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	It's focused on the general public by huge industries owned by the military-industrial complex.
	Big Pharma, the private prisons, now more than half the prisons, our biggest industry.
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	But the average yuppie has no idea.
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	Well, these drugs are killing people.
	Good!
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	And so they say 15% of us are mentally ill, and you heard the doctor.
	Actually, the government wants to say everybody is.
	And so we all get arrested if we don't take the implant that releases the drugs over a year, or if we don't take the wire into the brain.
	And here is Schumer wants airport screening technology in malls.
	And it says on New York lawmakers demanding better security in the nation's shopping malls in the wake of last week's revelation about a terrorist plot.
	We're good to go.
	Again, and Paul Watson wrote a comment on this.
	He says, this is what Alex has been warning us about for years, the beta test of the invasive Big Brother technology, first in airports to acclimatize people to it.
	Then they expand it and apply it to everything.
	This is why biometric thumb scanners have been going in everywhere from grocery stores to theme parks.
	The police state control grid is gearing up to envelop every aspect of your life.
	And then it gets into it.
	You know, all these people on the news last night, nationally and locally.
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	The warning signs.
	And after that, people are dumping motor oil.
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	We're going to get to all your calls.
	Mike Zinna.
	He's an editorial cartoonist.
	The FBI says that he's lying about Bush and is threatening him to stop.
	Paul, part of the new freedom.
	There's all this news about if you don't answer cops' questions in your house, in your backyard, on the street, that's basically terrorism.
	It's a felony.
	No Fifth Amendment, publicly.
	I mean, this is the new America, people.
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	It's here.
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	They're behind the terrorism to scare you to accept it.
	It has nothing to do with terror.
	The news is like Orwellian running man, brave new world propaganda.
	But right now, let's go back to the calls.
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	Rick in Florida.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, sir.
	Hello?
	Yeah, I had a quick comment for you, Alex.
	Actually, two.
	One was that...
	I don't know if you remember, a while back in the Northeast, they had huge insurance hikes for the doctors at the hospitals.
	And I looked into this, and I found out that the greatest increases in insurance payment was in radiology, emergency medicine, and child medicine.
	And so I look at this and I say, well, who's got the motive here?
	And the people getting paid are basically the insurance companies, the pharmaceutical manufacturers,
	That's how the scam works.
	Doctors are paid about half what they were 20 years ago, and nurses are paid even less.
	And now you can't sue the HMOs.
	I mean, there's some Byzantine process to sue an HMO now, but it's very hard to do.
	So it's just like what you were saying about these international global corporations that pretty much run in this whole...
	By the way, there is an antidepressant called Soma now.
	It has been for a long time.
	You know, brave new world here, right in front of us.
	But, I mean, that's, look, they call the snooping system under total information awareness, Matrix.
	They call one of the drugs Soma.
	I mean, how?
	Folks, come on!
	Come on, they even call it the same thing!
	How dumb do they think we are?
	Thanks for the call.
	Great call, Rick.
	You can call me back any time, my friend.
	Charlie and Mash.
	Charlie, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	That's me?
	Yes, sir.
	That's Judith.
	I wasn't sure.
	It kind of cut out there.
	That's okay.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I got something very interesting here, Alex, tying in with what you were talking about a moment ago, your guest there.
	First of all, for your listeners, in case they're not aware how many kids are put on Ritalin, is the school tries to get your kid to put on an IEP, an Individualized Education Program.
	Yeah, it's 60 million.
	I mean, 6 million children a year are on Ritalin, and then a total number of about 10 million on antidepressants now.
	So 16 million a year.
	But this is a legacy Clinton left us, the IEP thing.
	This is one of the main avenues that they get kids on this.
	And then notice Bush is expanding that.
	Exactly.
	But parents need to understand that a lot of times it's not that the schools themselves are evil on the local level.
	They're just abiding by policy.
	Yeah, they're told here's the policy.
	And here's the pressure that's put on them.
	First of all, the war kids that are put on IEPs, that justifies all the payrolls of these special education teachers, so there's an agenda there.
	Yeah, the school district itself, if they've got a large percentage of mentally ill or disabled children on the rolls, the school district gets major federal bonuses for that.
	Right, not only that, but most states now, this is going to go national soon, where you have these national...
	curriculum standards that you have to meet, and you have these tests that you have to take.
	Yeah, it's Gold's 2000, and now 10 states have the psychiatric end of it.
	You just heard the doctor.
	Right, and Bush's Leave No Child Behind Act now, they're going to have a national test that you have to pass.
	Well, anyway, in order to pass that test, you have to take the test within a certain time frame.
	If you have more kids on the special ed programs,
	They're given special concessions where they don't have time limits, you know what I'm saying?
	And then they get screened and put on drugs and taken from families, and yes.
	Okay, well, I guess I'm going to have to wait until after the break because I want to read you a very interesting quote.
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	Eight minutes and 20 seconds into the third hour.
	And I know the phones are loaded.
	We'll go to your calls a little bit later.
	Just to give you an idea of how bad things are, every day now, every day now, that may be an exaggeration, every two days.
	No, it's got to be every day.
	I mean, I see articles where...
	Somebody gets questioned because of a news article they wrote saying the government's corrupt.
	Or a cartoonist gets a visit.
	Or a professor who does art displays exposing bio-crops at the city fair with some petri dishes and the SWAT team hits them because it could be a bio-weapon.
	I mean, I see this every day now.
	Stories like this.
	And this particular article is out of the Rocky Mountain News.
	And it says, FBI visit infuriates irreverent cartoonists.
	Michael Zinna is a loud, irreverent, and completely politically incorrect.
	He is, more than anything, a nasty, extremely irritating thorn in the backside of the very people who have been elected to represent him.
	All of which is every reason why you should thank God for him.
	I agree.
	He has just gotten...
	Off my telephone.
	My ears are ringing with his anger.
	And it goes on to talk about the FBI had just driven away from his warehouse office in Jefferson County Airport.
	He tells me, having yet again accused him of being a threat to the republic.
	And it says the agent has accused him, he says, of lying, adding that he might not want to do that again.
	The stream of bile laden, and it goes on.
	If I broke the law, charge me, Michael Zena says into the phone.
	I write a column.
	I stick it to him.
	Is that a crime now?
	I will not back down.
	And the reporter goes on to talk about how he's been harassed by the police, all the things that he has been through.
	It's just incredible.
	Michael Zinna cannot stand the people who run Jefferson County, and they have little affection for him.
	So when his website ran a cartoon penned by him depicting a mushroom cloud emanating from the Jeffco's headquarters, the FBI soon showed up.
	And it goes on to get into that.
	And I've been to the website.
	I've seen it.
	I mean, it's pretty tame stuff.
	Well, I started this website about six months ago, and I had been involved in a lawsuit with our local officials here in Jefferson County, Colorado, and I was pretty upset.
	I think so.
	What your website shows is a bulldozer running around the town, which we actually then ended up seeing in Colorado.
	But we know that guy was planning that a year ago.
	And on top of this, I mean, you show him with Count Dracula teeth, dressed up like dunces, different city officials.
	I mean, this is pretty tame stuff.
	Yeah, that's what I thought.
	I've seen far worse in newspapers and local newspapers.
	You know, it's comedy.
	It's a joke.
	It's a little bulldozer running into our local county building and
	And the building falls down, and a couple of our county commissioners are hidden there in bed together.
	I thought it was funny.
	I thought it was just a cartoon.
	But on top of this, what's key here is they didn't come to your office, they say, about that.
	They came and said to you, hey, you're lying about the corruption in government.
	You better watch it.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	They tried to intimidate me into keeping my mouth shut.
	So how many visits have you gotten, and who have you been visited by?
	Four total, Joint Terrorism Task Force.
	And what do they say to you when they're there?
	Oh, so now they don't think it's funny.
	Yeah.
	Now, how long, what was the first visit you got from these people?
	The first visit was an FBI agent sat down next to me at a public meeting.
	I go to all of our public meetings here in Jefferson County, and he sat down next to me at a meeting.
	You know, I had the SWAT team at a zoning meeting sit down on the sides of me and start bumping into me.
	Well, they basically followed me around.
	How long ago was this?
	This was in March of this year.
	So they were coming around, bugging you about stuff a long time ago?
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	So the first time they come in and sit down by, what did he say?
	He said, people have some concerns over the Mushroom Cloud cartoon that you put on your website.
	I said, well, maybe they need to read the article.
	And he goes, he says to me, well, I'm not concerned about the article.
	I'm concerned about the cartoon.
	And I said, the cartoon...
	Is an illustration of the article.
	Did you read the article?
	The article had nothing to do with property destruction or violence.
	The article was about a certified public accountant who worked for the county who sued the county.
	And the headline was, such and such person nukes the county, nukes the fifth floor where the executive offices are.
	Had nothing to do with violence.
	Had to do with a lawsuit.
	Nuking them, bringing them down with a lawsuit.
	It's like info war.
	I talk about info war, that doesn't mean physical war.
	Exactly.
	So I said, nukes the fifth floor.
	And the whole story was about a lawsuit.
	And they thought the cartoon was a credible threat.
	And so now you've had three other visits.
	What happened in the second, third, and fourth?
	Well, when the agent sat down next to me at the first meeting, he asked to come out and visit my office.
	And we made an appointment for two days later.
	I said, sure, I'll have my attorney there.
	No problem.
	You're welcome to come around.
	So two days later, he showed up five hours early with another agent and a bomb dog.
	And he came through my property.
	Well, I wouldn't have let him in then.
	Well, he came, and I work at like a warehouse airplane hangar complex.
	He came through several of my buildings to get to my office, which is all the way in the back, tried to gain access to my office, and I said, hey, what are you guys doing here?
	You're five hours early.
	And they said, well, we've got some other bad guys to catch.
	We want to talk to you right now.
	I said, no, there's nobody here.
	My attorney's not here.
	Yeah, you set an appointment with him.
	We set an appointment.
	You're five hours early.
	I'm more than happy to let you in, but you can't come in unescorted.
	And they said, well, now you're making us real nervous because you won't let them in.
	Yeah, because you want to witness, because you want to protect yourself.
	Exactly.
	I mean, this is an FBI in Boston caught running the hitman.
	I mean, they've been caught in Texas doing it.
	You've got to watch them.
	Right.
	So I just wanted witnesses there, and they got all perturbed about that and wanted to bring the bomb dog in.
	And I said, bomb dog for what?
	I drew a cartoon.
	What are you guys talking about?
	So basically I shined them on.
	We went running around for about 20 minutes.
	They wouldn't give up.
	But eventually they had to leave.
	Well, good job for you.
	So the third visit?
	The third visit was when we were actually scheduled.
	They came out, a couple of more agents, actually brought the bomb dog again.
	They sniffed my entire office complex.
	The place came up totally clean.
	They said, okay, you're good.
	You won't hear from us again.
	I said, okay, that's great.
	And then just last week, they showed up for the fourth time when I put the bulldozer cartoon on the website and said, we don't think that's funny.
	Which I thought was funny.
	So where was the bulldozer cartoon originally?
	Because you said they were there the first time over the bulldozer cartoon.
	No, they were there the first time over the mushroom cloud cartoon.
	Okay, because it looks like a mushroom cloud with a bulldozer in the front.
	Yeah, we had Mr. Hemeyer.
	You know, engage in his little, his tirade, his property destruction tirade.
	I thought the bulldozer cartoon was kind of appropriate, so.
	Oh, so you did that after that.
	I did that after the Hemire Rampage.
	Yeah, obviously, so.
	So now you got a fourth visit.
	I got the fourth visit after the bulldozer cartoon.
	They said, we don't think that's funny.
	I said, I thought it was really funny.
	So, they didn't like that, and that's when they started accusing me of lying to federal agents and
	And things like that.
	Well, that's the new thing now.
	They claim something you said was a lie.
	Not answering their questions, federal or state now, is a lie and is a felony.
	And I have that in the Associated Press today.
	So, no Fifth Amendment.
	So what were they... Did they specifically say what you were lying about?
	Apparently, this agent had combed through a civil deposition that I had given last year on a completely unrelated case.
	He said that I lied about something that literally happened 20 years ago.
	And it was an extremely minor issue.
	And I said, you know what?
	I didn't lie.
	If I misstated it, then I misstated it.
	It happened 20 years ago.
	Why are you here?
	That was 20 years ago.
	Is that why you came out here?
	And then he said, well, you lied to me last time I was out here.
	You lied to me about where you live.
	And I said, well, why do you care where I live, first of all?
	And second of all, I'm pretty sure I didn't lie to you.
	Because if I did, you wouldn't just be here as a courtesy call.
	You'd be here slapping cuffs on me.
	I'm
	Lying to them is now... Lying to them?
	I mean, boy, why hadn't Bill Clinton arrested or George Bush about the weapons of mass destruction?
	I mean, are they God?
	They claim something's a lie?
	You lied to the Inquisitor?
	Yeah, and you've got to remember, this is all about a cartoon.
	A couple of cartoons.
	So where does it stand now?
	I mean, obviously now it's in the newspaper.
	They don't like that.
	Well, the website is going haywire.
	That's pretty much where it stands, and I'm working on a lawsuit against them.
	For harassing me, as well as the county officials that put him up to this.
	So I'm certainly not going to take it lying down.
	I don't appreciate these people coming after me for simply stating my opinion.
	And by the way, I've written almost 100 stories on this website.
	I've never been sued.
	Everything I print is factual.
	It's either factual or satire.
	So there's really nothing they can do about it except try to intimidate me.
	Well, you better watch yourself.
	I mean, they don't sound that bad.
	They don't sound like the Boston FBI agents, you know, because if they were the bad guys, you know, the dog would have found something.
	So they're probably just being ordered, you know, through the mayor, hey, you know, feds, go put some heat on this guy.
	But who knows what's really going on.
	I just know it's your First Amendment right, and you haven't done anything wrong, and I've looked at what you've done, and it's just...
	And we're on, what, four stations in Colorado, so I hope that people are aware of this and visit your website.
	Yeah, the website is called jeffcoexposed.com, and I also own the domain name coloradoexposed.com, which I'm working on a couple of stories for that as well.
	What type of stuff do you expose?
	Corruption by elected officials and government workers.
	Oh, government never did anything wrong?
	That's impossible!
	No, it's the best government money can buy.
	I mean, anybody that says government never did anything wrong, it's just, I don't know.
	Exactly.
	Big Brother loves us.
	Okay, well, Michael LaZenna, thank you so much for joining us, and I support your First Amendment right.
	My pleasure, sir.
	You bet.
	Take care.
	All right, we'll come back, go to all your calls and a bunch of other Big Brother news as well.
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	I'm Alex Jones, your host.
	I'm going to take a bunch of calls right now, then I'm going to get into more detail on all the other big police state news, and it is Legion, all part of the new freedom.
	As we like to say, now Bush has a federal program called New Freedom.
	I love it.
	It's the new freedom of slavery.
	Freedom Plus.
	But we were talking to, I believe it was Charlie, and he was bringing up the drugging of the children and how they get this done in the schools and how they're now expanding it.
	Finish up what you were saying, sir.
	Yeah, just to recap, not only are schools pressuring parents to have their kids put on an IEP because it means more federal funding, they're also afraid that they might lose the funding they're already getting because of these standardized tests.
	How it works is if the school has a certain percentage of students that fail the test at the end of the year, the government has threatened that they will actually cut off their funding.
	So there's this push now to get as many kids on an IEP as possible.
	Yeah, they list them as mentally ill or as mildly retarded or as a learning disability.
	And then now you've got some schools where I've seen some where 40% are classified like this.
	So now it doesn't matter if they can't pass the federal test.
	And the feds have designed it all like this.
	And they take our money, take it to Washington, send it back and federalize the schools.
	Finish your comments.
	Okay, just so parents know.
	We're going to read a quote.
	We've got a lot of calls here.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	Okay, this is from a brochure called the Parents' Rights Brochure.
	This is sent out any time parents are pushing them to get the kids on an IEP.
	Under a subsection called Providing Your Written Consent, it says this.
	Absolutely incredible.
	It says, Once you have consented to an initial placement in a special education program, if you refuse to provide consent to any subsequent placement,
	Actions related to special education.
	The school district cannot use your refusal to consent as a basis to deny you
	Yeah, I've seen those.
	Send me a copy of that if you would.
	That'd be really nice of you, my friend.
	And this is a contract.
	It's a sharecropper's contract or an indentured servant's contract waiving all your rights.
	It's like a few years ago, Smith & Wesson, on the Second Amendment, as you tried to get all their dealers...
	And distributors have signed a contract saying, and it said on the last page, that you waive all rights in perpetuity and accept any regulation of Smith & Wesson or the BATF.
	Yeah, so you're literally giving over your authority as a parent to the school.
	And parents, I don't even know if they read this, but if they do, I don't see how they can't read it.
	Well, I know this.
	When I was a senior in high school, when they started this mental illness testing, all the seniors...
	I got sent down, you know, for a couple hours a day for a week to be tested, and my parents were never notified that I had electrodes hooked up to my head and was looking at this computer screen.
	I mean, that's the new freedom, seeing the new programs called New Freedom.
	Thanks for the call.
	Really good points, Charlie.
	I hope you'll send that to me.
	Yeah, I was aware of that, but I'd seen it in news articles, but I'd like to have a copy of that.
	Yeah, you and your child will have all your rights.
	You will do what we say.
	You will take the drugs we say.
	You will go on drug testing.
	And now if your child in Austin, we have this newscast,
	I've heard it many times on local TV.
	If your child is late to class three times, that's truancy.
	And we have the judge going, I'm putting you on drugs now.
	Or you're going to have to go on drug testing.
	Or you're going to juvie for a week.
	You sign the form over to them.
	Now you're on probation for being late to class three times when the state law says truancy is 14 absences.
	I mean, it's not even a law.
	They just say, I'm going to get you.
	You're going to get in trouble if you don't sign here.
	You sign there and it's, ha, ha, ha, I have you.
	You know, it's like in 1984 when, or no, it's Animal Farm, where they're loading the horse up in the glue truck, or taking the horse to see the doctor, just sign the contract.
	Once you sign the contract, they slap the door shut and take you to the glue factory.
	I mean, it's just nuts, man.
	It's so evil, the average person just is so gullible, they can't believe this.
	Thank you for the call, Charles, Charlie.
	William in Florida, thanks for holding.
	Go ahead.
	He just dropped as I was going to him.
	That's classic.
	Rod in Colorado.
	Rod, you're on the air.
	Yes, sir, Rod.
	You're on the air.
	Oh, okay.
	I'll call you Charlie and whatever it is in Florida.
	Go ahead, sir.
	That's okay.
	Okay.
	Hey, let me give you some straight scoop.
	My son works for this company, Cyberonics, in Houston, and makes this Vegas tap that controls the viscera for the prevention of the, what do you call it, the spasms.
	Epilepsy, but now it's going to be used for depression.
	Yeah, well, that's a follow-on.
	That's the...
	Let me give you my son's number there, and you can talk directly to somebody that works for the company.
	We've been trying to get somebody on from the company.
	All right, let me give you a number.
	Well, sir, I'll bet you money your son doesn't come on.
	If the CEO or their public relations person doesn't want to come on, do you think your son's going to go on, or is your son the CEO?
	He'll talk to you.
	No, he works in the advertising department.
	He's a technical writer.
	But I'm going to get 281.
	We can't give your son's number out on air, sir.
	100 people will call.
	It's nice of you to want to give it to us, but let me get it during the break, okay?
	Okay.
	I don't want to give your son's number out on air.
	Let me get the number from you during the break, and then we'll come back out of break.
	Stay on.
	Yeah, we'll talk about it.
	Just stay there, William.
	Great.
	We're going to talk to him when we get back.
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	No, I appreciate your time call from Florida, William.
	I just don't want to give your son's phone number out on air, but thanks for giving it to us.
	Perhaps he'll come on.
	But you were going to tell us about this brain stimulator wire that basically hooks into the nerves.
	My name is Rod.
	My name is Rod from Fort Collins, Colorado.
	Oh, that's right.
	It's Rod.
	I hear the names messed up.
	Go ahead, Rod.
	My son is Dan Lovin from Houston.
	Sir, sir, sir, please, we don't get on the air and give out people's phone numbers and names.
	Okay, well, I'm not on the air now, right?
	No, you're on the air, sir.
	You're on the air.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Okay, well, the system that they're talking about is much like a pacemaker that you, you know, control your heartbeat.
	Hello?
	Yes, sir.
	And then this is like a fly-by-wire control system that goes into the vagus nerve, and it's to help people that have these...
	Oh, epilepsy fits, you know.
	And some of them have multiple seizures during the day.
	And they've found this to work very effectively.
	And they've had to work with a lot of cash and time to get it through the FDA because the pharmaceutical companies have been fighting it.
	They don't want electrical stimulation.
	No, they want drugs.
	They want chemical.
	They don't work.
	They haven't worked.
	Let me just stop you for a second.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And I really appreciate you being a listener in Fort Collins, Colorado.
	I know I sounded rude earlier.
	I'm sorry.
	I just don't want to give out people's full names and their phone numbers and stuff like that.
	We're not supposed to do that.
	Now, obviously a pacemaker or something is used to do something medical.
	Right.
	Let me just finish.
	That's provable.
	That's demonstrable.
	Okay?
	The Army War College Report of 2000 said they are going to sell mind-control wires
	Into the brain.
	Brain chips is the term they use.
	By advertising it as being a pacemaker, but that it will bring control.
	Now, obviously the company that you say your son works for developed this for people who have epileptic fits.
	Right.
	And the news says that it's done some good.
	That's one thing.
	We're talking about a government that's made tens of millions of people go on Ritalin and Prozac, forcing them.
	Now they're going to say it's for depression and use this, and we have government plans saying they want to use this to control the population.
	Well, the person I talked to said that they found as an after effect that
	It does help in depression.
	Well, what is depression?
	And there's a whole debate there of the different types of depression.
	The tendency towards suicide and crying all the time.
	Oh, really?
	The Prozac causes more suicide.
	I wonder why they give that to us.
	You know, we don't want Ritalin.
	We don't want the chemicals.
	You know, I'm talking about on behalf of this wire system that... Don't laugh.
	I mean, it can be effective.
	Uh-huh.
	And so if it's effective, the schools are going to quote, say your child's depressed, you know, your 14-year-old's crying because their girlfriend broke up with them, we'll just put a port in their neck and run a wire into their brain.
	It happens to have a good effect on depression because it just happens to be that way.
	They're not going to put it in for people that are depressed.
	They're going to put it in for people that are epileptic and have these many seizures.
	You didn't watch the news last week?
	Sure, sure.
	You just said five minutes ago they're going to start doing it for depression.
	You said it has a good effect.
	You just said they're not.
	Yeah, it does have, but no one in the company said that they're going to diagnose it or push it for depression.
	Well, obviously they're not going to be out doing the diagnosis.
	Hey, listen, I'll try to call your son, and thanks for the call.
	I know you want to defend your son, and I'm sure your son's a nice guy who's working at the company.
	And I'm sure that stuff like this could help somebody with epileptic seizures, because that's something that's medical, they can show and demonstrate.
	Okay?
	But what I'm talking about here is the government says, and the company has sought approval for depression, which they can say everybody's depressed, and they're going to force us to take it, because the Army said so four years ago.
	I'll go off that.
	Man.
	Let's go ahead and talk to Wesley in Tennessee.
	Wesley, go ahead.
	Thank you, Alex, for taking my call.
	How are you today?
	Okay.
	While I was listening to all these various commentators today, I had a couple ideas.
	I would hope that somewhere there would be somebody, some electrical engineer, maybe even a computer hacker, that would be working on a way to counteract the RFIDs
	Maybe a pharmacist with a conscience that could learn how to compound a drug that would absorb or counteract the drugs that these 17 million kids have got.
	There's got to be guys out there that have got the intelligence and the skill, wouldn't you think, Alex, that could be able to do those kind of things?
	I mean, number one, you can put an RFID in the microwave and that disables the radio frequency identification chip.
	We're not trying, though, to disable it.
	We're trying to stop Walmart and the Defense Department and Homeland Security forcing all manufacturers of all retail goods to put this in.
	We're trying to stop Michelin from putting it in all their tires, which has already started.
	We're trying to educate the people about the control grid.
	You know, it's not how to get kids around being forcibly tested in the schools to see if they're, quote, mentally ill.
	Every man, woman, and child Bush is now talking about, not just children.
	It's about exposing that as Big Brother, exposing how Big Pharma runs it, and stopping the program itself dead in its tracks.
	I agree wholeheartedly, but what I'm trying to get across, I guess, Alex,
	Well, it's real simple.
	15% of our population is not mentally ill and doesn't need to be put on, you know, amphetamines and psychotropics.
	Yeah, well, absolutely.
	You know, that's actually the best job in the world, a psychiatrist.
	What other job could you think of where you can make up a disease and then be the only one to have the cure for it and be able to name your own price?
	It's like owning a printer.
	And to run the test in the school where you have to buy the expensive drugs from them that make you drool in the corner.
	Thanks for the call, Wesley.
	Great points.
	Ron in New York.
	Ron, go ahead.
	Alex?
	Yes?
	How are you doing?
	Do I have a couple of minutes to make this point here?
	Okay.
	Go ahead, sir.
	Last night, Pat Robertson had a guest on from the Weekly Standard, and he wrote a book called The Connection, affirming the ties between Iraq and al-Qaeda, and said, quote, and the potential connection between 9-11 and Iraq...
	It's hard for Christians out here to believe that this media leader, that Robertson, had a guest on for the purpose of agreeing with that guest to back up the monumental lies told by the administration to get us into the war in Iraq.
	Well, I mean, what lies?
	Bush says the biggest blanket amnesty ever of 20 million people he proposes is not an amnesty.
	So, you have to learn.
	You have to learn that Rumsfeld says he never said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
	It doesn't matter if we all saw him say it a hundred times and he's on video a hundred times.
	He says he never said it.
	So we've got to learn to believe the lie or we're not Christians, sir.
	And the point here is that the continuation of these lies after the fact resulting in the scores of dead and maimed young Americans.
	Enough said.
	Pat Robertson at the end of this interview said that
	I wish the established media would get it right for a change and stop telling lies.
	Who is lying here?
	Well, that's what Limbaugh and Hannity, Every Child Needs a Chip Hannity, says.
	Why won't the liberal media report this?
	All the weapons of mass destruction have been found?
	And why won't Bush say it?
	Well, Bush has said it, and it always turns out to be a lie.
	And the liberal media, it was the New York Times with the aluminum tubes and the Niger uranium and the mobile weapons trucks.
	It's been the liberal media lying for them.
	And so there's like this double psychological game where they keep reannouncing they found it, then back page admitting it wasn't found.
	You know, I mean, it's probably been 15 times they find mortar shells that turn out not to be sarin or whatever.
	It doesn't matter, though.
	There are hundreds of admitted found sites with U.S.
	markings on it, with U.N.
	tags hanging off of it.
	And then they're ordered to tear it up and ship it out.
	And they go, oh, look, they're shipping out the aluminum out of the country.
	It's just, thanks for the call.
	Look, Ron, I get frustrated.
	I get overwhelmed.
	I get irritated.
	And not with the callers.
	It's just that...
	It's just so incredible.
	What I do when people start trying to give out folks' phone numbers on the air, I just... I mean, look, I saw Ridge two years ago, now two and a half years ago, months before he got funding, say, you're going to have to have a card to have a job, levels of security, bad credit, you can't have certain types of jobs, we're going to have security on the streets, military on the streets, you know...
	I'd like to see security in all the malls and in the trains and everywhere.
	I mean, I've got him on tape.
	And then here they are piecemeal coming out and saying, oh, to get on any of the ferries, you know, random vehicle ferry searches to resume.
	Associated Press, random searches of vehicles boarding Washington State ferries will resume next month as part of a new plan for increased security under orders from U.S.
	Coast Guard.
	And it shows a guy that looks like a Nazi or something out of 1984, you know, searching all the vehicles.
	And, of course, they never find terrorists, but they find drugs or they find open beer.
	You know, just, well, it's crime.
	We've got to get you in our system.
	And then one of the New York lawmakers is demanding better security at the nation's shopping malls in the wake of last week's revelation about terrorist plot to bomb an Ohio shopping center.
	Schumer wants airport screening technology in malls.
	Schumer made this announcement yesterday morning.
	And by the nighttime, I looked at different websites around the country, including Austin.
	Local news channels were interviewing local FBI going, yes, we must have it.
	You must be searched to enter and leave the mall.
	We've got the terrorists.
	They're about to hit us any minute.
	I mean, it was just, it's going to be everywhere.
	Goons in black uniforms searching you everywhere.
	And you better answer their questions.
	Because, you know, they've now come out in the Supreme Court.
	And they've said that you've got to answer their questions, that if a cop in your house, anywhere, wants you to answer questions, that it is a felony not to answer those questions.
	Again, this is KABC, and also the Associated Press here in front of me.
	One lawyer says the government will now be able to turn a person's silence into a criminal offense.
	A sharply divided Supreme Court has ruled 5-4 that Americans have no constitutional right to keep quiet.
	And it says privacy rights advocates say the ruling essentially opens a can of worms, forcing people who haven't done anything wrong to give information that can be used in broad data searches.
	The head of the Electronic Privacy Information Center says the modern age means police get an extraordinary look into someone's private life simply by getting their identification.
	But the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation says officers will only be able to demand ID from people suspected of criminal involvement.
	And it says the case involved a Nevada rancher who was arrested after refusing multiple requests to give an officer his name.
	He wasn't in his car, folks.
	He was on his property.
	I was like an 80-year-old World War II vet, and he was demanding he answer all the questions, and the guy refused.
	And it wasn't what his name was.
	The ruling says it's more than just your name.
	It's answer my questions.
	And again, this is the national ID card.
	We have federal-specced, federal-controlled ID cards and driver's licenses.
	And you're going to have to have it to buy and sell, the government says.
	You're going to have to swipe it under the new national sales tax.
	And they say you've got to answer their questions.
	Now the police for years in Austin arrest you as you walk your dog.
	I was almost arrested one time walking back from a store in broad daylight, you know, with some ice cream and Gatorade.
	50 yards from my apartment door.
	This was like 10 years ago.
	I've told the story before.
	I said, are you looking for somebody who looks like me?
	Well, no.
	What's your name?
	What's your apartment?
	I told him.
	I'm like, what do you want?
	Hey, we can arrest you, buddy, for not having your ID on you.
	You've got to have that to leave your house.
	And I was like, really?
	Well, the Supreme Court in the past has said you didn't have to do that.
	Failure to ID was unconstitutional.
	But now you see, oh, now it is good.
	So you see where that's going.
	You can't be in your backyard without an ID.
	You can't be in your home without an ID.
	And I guess if it was good in Nazi Germany, it's good here.
	So, there you have it.
	I mean, what happened to us as a country, as a people?
	But, as a citizen, I have a thumb scanning at a driver's license.
	Almost all the states have it now.
	But if I'm an illegal alien from Latin America, I have a special federal waiver where I don't have to thumb scan when I come in biometrically.
	Remember that a few months ago?
	But if I leave the country, I have to as a citizen, or to get a driver's license or ID card, I have to have it.
	I mean, I watch illegals at the bank get bank accounts with no ID, but I've got to show three forms of ID at my own bank.
	This is the freedom.
	I talked to my friend who runs the biggest apartment complex in Austin, works for the biggest property management company in the nation.
	Last Christmas, she was at the big board meeting, big meeting up in Dallas, and they said, look, we've secretly been taken over by the feds.
	We don't have to pay taxes anymore.
	One-third of our properties, and that means unit by unit, not just whole properties, is city housing, government housing.
	So, illegals, foreigners are allowed to have ten to a one-bedroom.
	Literally, we don't care.
	But then we want you to crack down on citizens, even if they have people visiting, fine them and kick them out.
	We want to make room for the farmers.
	I mean, she was telling me this.
	She was at the meeting.
	Do you understand?
	It's like Bush says, we need to accelerate exporting jobs.
	It's our number one export.
	It's good.
	Fast food jobs are now industrial jobs.
	You know, again, it's 1984.
	It's up is down, down is up, black is white, white is black.
	I just, if I have to argue with one more yuppie about this.
	You know, I talk about how every day I see articles where they're going after people who, you know, for their free speech, this is out of a smoking gun on Grudge, FBI probing anti-Bush teddy bear.
	Plush toy, and it goes on to say...
	It's a white teddy bear, and it says Bush with an American flag off the side of it, and it says, kills Arab babies.
	And the FBI doesn't know this is allowed to say bad things about the president.
	I mean, I've got the article.
	The federal judge saw it, demanded an investigation.
	You know, just as, I mean, actually, there's another one in the stack here.
	So I'm wrong.
	It isn't every day.
	I have three of these today.
	Let me find the other one here.
	I mean, it's just bonkers, la-la, ga-ga.
	You know, we're going to put wires into your brains so you're not depressed.
	Every child and adult's going to be tested.
	You're going to go on antipsychotics that you show propensity to maybe be mentally ill.
	You know, we're just... The U.N.
	says the terror threat's real.
	London Evening Standard, we're going to get nuked any minute.
	Give up all your freedoms.
	Iran did seize U.K.
	vessels and crew, and they may charge them.
	Major escalation there.
	Kuwait sends back truck carrying radioactive material out of Kuwait City.
	Kuwait refused to allow a radioactive material-bound truck to enter the country as demand by the U.S.
	Army.
	Kuwait Times reported.
	Caught him trying to ship in weapons of mass destruction.
	Kerry looks like he's going to choose John Edwards, who was at the Bilderberg group meeting two weeks ago.
	We predicted he'd be his VP running mate.
	We'll see if that happens.
	Iraqi leader says, yes, I will not rule out martial law.
	Martial law is good to protect the freedom of the Iraqis.
	Actually said that.
	To protect freedom, we must have martial law.
	Okay.
	It's like new freedom drugging you.
	Unbelievable here.
	Spanish police arrest five Muslims as crowds accuse Anzar of cover-up, saying that they're covering up the government may have been involved in Madrid bombings at Sunday Herald.
	I'll come back and just news blitz for the rest of the broadcast.
	It's coming down hard and heavy.
	Hey folks, Alex Jones here.
	And the behavior of our police is a reflection of our government.
	One look in the mirror and we know our country is entering a high-tech police state.
	Here's just a sample from my documentary film, Police State 2, The Takeover.
	In downtown Seattle today, the First Amendment ended.
	The civil emergency was created by the police.
	Riot police attacked people on the streets indiscriminately.
	The medical bills.
	Are going to be enormous for me.
	You see them here with their hands cupped behind their backs.
	They are being led into the Sandpoint Brig.
	The neighbors in that area of Sandpoint Naval Air Station were shocked to hear that the old brig was being reopened.
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	Folks, there are literally thousands of crimes.
	Industrialized, mechanized.
	We have government documents where they explain how to break up our families, how to drug us, how to enslave us, how to imprison us.
	They laugh at us.
	They call their federal snooping system at the state level the Matrix.
	They put out an antidepressant called Soma.
	They laugh at us.
	It's sick!
	It's sick!
	They're evil, people!
	And to see them breaking America down at an accelerated rate, just unraveling this country, to see them dismantling and setting up an ultimate tyranny makes me so very angry.
	And then just all the silliness, all the stupidness
	They invent all these crazy, stupid rights, these cartoon clown rights, and then ignore all of our base rights, and the government runs around talking about how loving they are, and how helpful they are, and how they're going to take good care of us, how good they are, and how government never did anything wrong, and how they love you, and how the men in black ski masks are going to keep you safe, and don't mind the armored vehicles, and we're not just getting armored vehicles now, we're getting treaded tanks for your town!
	We're building emergency detention centers for the mass of you, and we're going to put implants in you that time-release antidepressants if you don't want to take them and put wires into your brain.
	We're putting fluoride in your water, but it's good for you.
	Drink more.
	You'll be one of us soon.
	Then I get this news out of Bangkok, Thailand.
	Local 10 reported on it out of Miami.
	Transvestites get their own school bathroom.
	Transvestites at the Thai vocational school are getting a room of their own, their own restroom.
	The pink lotus bathroom is for the exclusive use of the 15 transvestite students at the technology school from Bangkok.
	And it goes on to say they must be given their own rights.
	And then they're going to let transvestites, men, into the Olympics to compete against women, going, oh, they're women.
	They're women.
	Oh, no, they say they're women.
	That's like the old Russian women with steroids with the hairy arms.
	You know, they're not really women.
	Because they're on so many steroids.
	I mean, but this group gets to cheat.
	Nobody else does.
	Because you're a transvestite, you're like God now.
	And you get to do... I mean, just... But then, we can't say no to Ritalin and Prozac.
	We don't have rights to not have, you know, be put on all your drugs.
	You're going to test every adult and every child.
	But if you want to have your own pink bathroom, you know, we can see we give you all these special rights.
	It's just...
	Florida woman with human form of mad cow disease dies.
	This is Reuters.
	Florida woman suffering from the only known case of the United States of the form of mad cow disease has died.
	The only known case I've seen probably a hundred times where somebody died.
	The only known case.
	It's always the only known case every time I see it.
	Go look it up!
	Abducted North Korean in Iraq still alive.
	You need to pray for that man.
	98% chance the CIA ops about to cut his poor little head off.
	I'm out of time, ladies and gentlemen.
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