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	Big Brother.
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	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
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	Hello, my friends.
	Thank you for joining us on this live Thursday edition.
	I'm Alex Jones, your host.
	The websites are prisonplanet.tv and infowars.com.
	And now we're going to dive straight into the news.
	We have some guests coming up I'll tell you about a little bit later as well.
	Well, first off, I should just say, if you're joining us for the first time, this show is not left-wing, it's not right-wing.
	We're constitutionalists.
	I believe in freedom.
	I love America.
	I want justice.
	I want to stop the organized crime syndicate that is the New World Order.
	And I want everybody, regardless of race, color, creed, to be able to live together in happiness.
	But that's not going to happen because the New World Order is there manipulating all the different sides to create a crisis, to create chaos, so they can give us their order.
	Rumsfeld, who ordered the torture, which is now admitted, to become new head of the investigation into it.
	This is from ABC News.
	Of course, I should add that that's Australian news.
	Same as ABC News.
	It's national news in Australia.
	And at the same time, Rumsfeld told officers to take gloves off with the American Taliban member, Mr. Lind.
	And I remember that at the time.
	We've taken the gloves off.
	We're interrogating him very strenuously.
	This was all public.
	And so now it's being pointed out, John Walker Lynn, the so-called American Taliban, was stripped naked and tied to a stretcher during interrogation after the Office of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld ordered intelligence officers to, quote, take off the gloves when questioning him.
	That's a quote.
	Mr. Rumsfeld's legal counsel instructed the officers to push the limits when questioning Lind captured in Afghanistan with Taliban and al-Qaeda forces in late 2001.
	The treatment of Lind appears to foreshadow the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib.
	Folks, the real Taliban and al-Qaeda, 8,000 of them, were flown out to safety out of Afghanistan.
	It's that simple.
	They were flown out to safety.
	They were CIA.
	But then they grabbed up little nobodies off the streets, off of the desert roads and mountain passes of Afghanistan and took them to Camp X-Ray for torture.
	Took them to the different camps in Afghanistan, not just in Cuba.
	And have been torturing the living daylights out of them.
	Their own top general quit a year and a half ago, Brigadier General Rick Baucus, refusing to go along with all of this.
	But don't worry, now Rumsfeld's going to do the investigation.
	By the way, about a month ago, there was a report by Judicial Watch, far from evil liberals out to get Bush, the folks that successfully went after Bill Clinton,
	A Freedom of Information Act request, they did over ten of them to the FBI, Defense Intelligence, CIA.
	They all refused, but the Customs Department did release the documents with over 160 of the Bin Laden family being flown out of the country on three separate flights, September 11th, 12th, and 13th.
	Finally today, in the several major Florida newspapers, including the St.
	Petersburg newspaper, they actually have copies of those documents published.
	Now again, a month ago we covered this and posted the documents, but finally it hit some major newspapers, which is news in and of itself.
	So that's on prisonplanet.com for you right now as well.
	When we get back, we'll get into just... Oh, there's so much news here.
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	It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
	One of the individuals that's going to be eulogizing Ronald Reagan is Missouri Senator...
	John Danforth.
	And remember during the whole Waco investigation or whitewash in the late 1990s, Janet Reno, who ran the Waco attack with the Delta Force and elements of foreign military as well, she said, oh yes, it's an independent investigation, and her Justice Department appointed Danforth, and then her aides were his assistants, and they called this an independent investigation.
	Investigation of Waco and Danforth ran an incredible soft-soap cover-up of the entire operation.
	It was amazing.
	And then now with the 9-11 Commission, we have all these different Bush business partners and Bin Laden family business partners and Condoleezza Rice business partners up there sitting in judgment and putting out their report yesterday saying no fault of Clinton, no fault of Bush protecting al-Qaeda.
	It's all the CIA and FBI's fault.
	They're just idiots and they need more funding and more power.
	That'll punish them.
	And now, Rumsfeld, according to ABC News, Rumsfeld, who ordered the torture to become new head of the investigation into it.
	U.S.
	Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is expected to replace the two-star general investigating the prisoner abuse scandal at Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail.
	With a more senior officer, the New York Times reported, the senior officer will report directly to Rumsfeld.
	Defense officials told the Daily that General John Abizid, commander of U.S.
	forces in the Middle East, has asked for the change because Army regulations prevent the investigator, General George Fay, from interviewing his superiors.
	General Fay has said he could not complete the investigation without interviewing the ground commander in Iraq, Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez.
	Lieutenant General Sanchez has recused himself as the reviewing authority for General Fay's report.
	The Daily says that he has asked General Abizid, I'm sorry if I mispronounced that, Abizid, or however you pronounce it, I can't pronounce it, that a higher-ranking officer be appointed to conduct a review in the investigation.
	Defense officials say the General made the request of Mr. Rumsfeld, who will most likely approve it.
	The Daily has been told that General Fay's final report is delayed by 30 days as an important witness who has refused to cooperate has changed his mind and agreed to work more closely with investigators, with whitewashers.
	The identity of the witness has not been revealed, and Army officials insist General Sanchez is not a target of the investigation.
	But it goes on to say that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is running the investigation through these generals out of his office, so...
	It's like having Jeffrey Dahmer be the prosecutor and the judge in the Jeffrey Dahmer case.
	I mean, it's just amazing.
	We all know that Rumsfeld got up on TV and bragged about torture, and that the CIA bragged about it, and there were 100 editorials, if there weren't 200, lauding the virtues of torture.
	That was a New York Times headline in the last two and a half years.
	And then now we're all shocked when we see the images of the torture.
	And here's another one out of London Independent.
	Rumsfeld told officers to take gloves off with Lynn.
	And we already went over some of this, the supposed Taliban, American Taliban.
	And Rumsfeld, it's now admitted by the CIA and the Pentagon.
	This has been leaked.
	Documents seen by Los Angeles Times show that when a U.S.
	Army intelligence officer started to question Lynn, he was given instructions that the Secretary of Defense Counsel has authorized him to take the gloves off and ask whether he...
	And asked whatever he wanted.
	The documents show that in the early stages, Lynn's response were cabled to Washington every hour.
	And it says that Lynn initially pled not guilty, but he later admitted reduced charges and was sentenced to 20 years.
	He and his lawyers also agreed to drop claims that he had been tortured by U.S.
	personnel.
	I don't know.
	I mean, he was stripped naked for the 20-plus hour flight, chained down on a metal plank.
	I mean, that's torture enough.
	I mean, they publicly put these people in hoods, mask over their mouths, earplugs, bowing their hands, chain them down, squatting on their knees for days.
	That's one of the most severe forms of torture, my friends.
	You try doing it for ten minutes and then add the sensory deprivation and see if you don't go crazy.
	But the torture's a lot worse than that.
	I mean, there's stuff they've done that's admitted that I can't even talk about on air.
	It's so pornographic in nature.
	But it's the same old story, whether it's Waco, 9-11, Oklahoma City, or the torture scandal, the foxes are guarding the hen house.
	The foxes have appointed weasels to sit in trial of them, of their treatment of the hens.
	People could say, well, we're in a war, we've got to torture.
	That's been the M.O.
	we've all heard.
	But I thought we took over Saddam because he tortured.
	I thought the Taliban were bad because they tortured.
	I thought torture was back as Joseph Mingala did it.
	I know I talk a lot about torture, but in a society where they come out and say they're torturing people and it's good, then we see the images of it, then they try to deny it, and there's this memory hole, to use the Orwellian term, of just day-to-day stories changing 180 degrees, and this isn't being pointed out by the mainstream media.
	It needs to be pointed out.
	Very, very serious to be facing this.
	And I don't know, what's your take on it?
	Rumsfeld investigating himself, but clearly it isn't just Rumsfeld.
	And in this London Independent article, it talks about how the council, Rumsfeld's council, was saying, yeah, go ahead and torture him, do whatever you want, take the gloves off.
	Well, it's the same Pentagon council saying, Rumsfeld says that Bush is above any federal or international law.
	I mean, we can torture whoever we want.
	I mean, those actual memos are now public.
	Sections of them, Attorney General Ashcroft and Rumsfeld are blocking the other releases of other memos and of the full memos.
	So we have them doing this.
	I mean, it's confirmed.
	And the question is, will they be held accountable?
	Because if they aren't held accountable and they just burn a few patsies and follow orders, and that doesn't abstain them from guilt either, then it sets the precedent for the globalists to continue torture on a mass scale.
	What we're seeing is the process of legitimizing torture.
	And I've talked ad nauseum about how every time I turn television on, and I literally don't watch more than an hour a week,
	I mean, every time I'm in a restaurant and a big screen TV's on, or I'm at the local TV station and they've got monitors on with different channels, and I stop and watch five minutes of Keith or Southern's 24, or ABC News' Threat Matrix.
	Or The Shield, or any of these shows, every time I turn the TV on and flip through channels, the police are torturing some drug dealer, and it's good.
	Torture's good.
	They've got some supposed terrorist in a torture chair, electrocuting him.
	And, you know, they're the good guys.
	They have to do it.
	You know, they're sad they have to do it.
	I mean, this is a mass program of warping our minds.
	And we have to say no.
	We have to say no, torture's wrong.
	It's like saying to Hitler, no, it's wrong to shut down these businesses of people you don't like and to arrest your political enemies and to put them in slave labor camps.
	If somebody would have been there and said no and stood up and admitted what was happening early on, Hitler wouldn't have been able to get away with what he did!
	You know, if we stood up and said no to what Israel's doing, torturing the living daylights, they admit they torture people in their hundreds of huge prisons, including Israelis that refuse to be conscripted.
	If people in Israel more aggressively stood up and pointed out what's even been admitted in Haratz and the Jerusalem Post, that the Israeli government has been behind a lot of the terror attacks, then that would stop.
	If we stood up and pointed out that our government's behind the terror attacks...
	If we stood up and exposed that the British MI6 and MI5 are admittedly behind many of the terror attacks, it would stop.
	They would lose that power.
	If more Russians stood up against Putin, which basically now is too late, and exposed the fact that he's been behind the terrorism.
	Then that country could be free.
	But they decided, oh, you can't fight City Hall.
	That's just a way of life in Russia.
	So they're slaves now.
	They were slaves a year ago.
	They were slaves 100 years ago.
	They'll be slaves 100 years from now.
	But in America, we had a different history of, yes, we had a lot of evils and a lot of problems, but we had a way of standing up against them and defeating those evils.
	But not anymore, because it's the age of the yuppie.
	The age of people thinking they're part of the system.
	The age of rationalizing what's happening and being in deep denial.
	You've got to get out of that denial.
	All right, we're going to come back and take calls, and then I'll get back in the news when you have some guests coming up.
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	Right now, let's go ahead and open the phones up, and then we'll continue with a lot of important news in the next segment.
	George in Canada, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Good day, Alex.
	Welcome.
	We're having an election up here in Canada, and I just want to make sure that a lot of your listeners who are listening north of the parallel understand that the leader of the Conservative Party, Mr. Harper...
	Was attending the Bilderberg Convention in Canada last year.
	It was in the Toronto Sun, May 15, 2003, so I'm sure it's gone down the memory hole.
	He attended with our then Prime Minister, Kretchen, who shortly thereafter retired and offered his position to the incumbent now, Mr. Martin.
	And Mr. Harper was chosen as our new Prime Minister then.
	So Mr. Martin is to throw the election, and Mr. Harper is going to pick up all the loose change by exposing an old scandal.
	So don't be sucked into voting for this guy because he's the pick of the New World Order.
	Vote for the most common down-to-earth neighbor you have, but don't waste your time or your money on this guy.
	Another interesting thing I came across in some research was a terrorist attack in the United States diverted back in the Nixon era.
	It was in a book called The Glasshouse Tapes by Louis Tackwood, who was affiliated with the Los Angeles Police Department.
	They were going to have a Republican convention in Los Angeles.
	And he was an agent provocateur.
	He was supposed to hire a bunch of street thugs to fight the police.
	Well, at the same time, law enforcement agents working for the Nixon White House and an intelligence part of the LAPD were going to plant explosives
	In the convention hall.
	No, that's a famous case.
	That is confirmed.
	In fact, that's another example.
	I mean, there's so many examples of government-sponsored terrorism that I forgot about that one.
	Well, you're having two conventions coming down the trail, and why I think that's important is these guys aren't too small.
	Their handbook only has a couple of pages.
	Yeah, but tell folks how that last one got canceled, because if good law enforcement inside the system blows the whistle on it even covertly, the globalists will cancel it.
	Exactly.
	Well, with the Watergate break-ins and things starting to crumble around Mr. Nixon, this plot, and they were going to kill the delegates, and then that would give Nixon cause to declare a national emergency, become El Presidente for life.
	But one of the ringleaders of this, when the Republican Convention was moved to Miami, was a gentleman by the name of James McCord.
	He was chief of security at that place, 19 years CIA veteran.
	And he was in charge of a 16-man unit that was concerned with planning and preparing for this process.
	And he got turned in.
	He was arrested.
	He was caught.
	The plot fell apart.
	And again, that's on the record, but we never hear about it.
	Well, it's gone down the memory hole.
	Years ago, I read some news articles about that, and I can't place them.
	You know what?
	Will you Xerox copy pages of that book and mail them to me?
	Well, one place I have found it, I found it on the Internet conveniently by researching the Kennedy assassination.
	This was published in 1972, as I recall, in an article by Martha Mitchell.
	And it was published in a magazine called The Realist.
	So if you search MarthaMitchell.com, you'll get this article, and there's also a very good one about the Kennedy assassination.
	Yeah, and I've seen that other places.
	I mean, I remember the whole attack getting foiled.
	It was minor news.
	That shows you how much of this stuff does go down the memory hole.
	Exactly.
	That's why history is so important.
	Hey, I hear you.
	Listen, I've got to let you go, my friend.
	Good to hear from you.
	I've got to give everybody time here.
	Let's talk to Andrea in Ohio.
	Go ahead.
	Good afternoon, sir.
	Welcome.
	Another place you may be able to find that information, it's been years since I've read it, but there's a Jonathan Stockwell book called The Secret Wars of the CIA.
	Okay.
	I'm familiar with it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But about this torture thing, are there any Christian or faith groups out there who are opposing this?
	Because my experience has been over the last couple of weeks, especially in conservative Christian circles, this mindset of, well, they do worse things to us, so, you know, it's almost a...
	Well, that was the whole point of the scripting of CBS releases the torture photos that they have for a long time.
	Then they show Bird getting his head cut off.
	Oh, see, this is okay.
	And this is sick.
	I've had people on this show that say, yeah, torture's good.
	And then I wonder how those individuals out there feel.
	And, you know, all the pundits that have been on television out there promoting torture, now that all these horrible images come back and we learn of the rape of women, beating people to death.
	I mean, how can, and I've heard them, so-called Christians snickering on talk radio about it.
	It's very funny.
	It would be funny if it weren't so frightening.
	And the thing is, too, if you compare how this propaganda works, I'll never forget reading in Robert J. Liston's book, The Nazi Doctors.
	I'll tell you what, stay there.
	I'm going to let you finish up.
	It's sick, people.
	I mean, torture is not good.
	I mean, do I have to go over this?
	I mean, what happened to us?
	Stay there.
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	Let's go ahead and go back to Andrea in Ohio.
	She was talking about how it's supposedly Christian now.
	According to some people, they make excuses for it and say, oh, well, raping and killing and beating people to death, you know, we've got to get tough on the war on terror.
	We've got to do it to those evil Muslims.
	So according to that worldview, I've said this before, I guess Joseph Mingala was okay.
	I don't think that the Nazi torture master was good, but maybe that's because I'm a devil worshiper.
	Because now to be Christian, you've got to love Moloch,
	You've got to love George Bush.
	You've got to love the police state.
	You've got to love the New World Order.
	And if you're against torture, why, that's quite devilish.
	It's like Nancy Reagan.
	We need the body parts of the children, the stem cell research.
	And I have confirmed now some of the neocons are out saying yes, yes, yes.
	So now if you're not using body parts of children, you're a wicked devil.
	But go ahead.
	Now, it has some really interesting historical parallels because you see what the Nazi doctors did
	Sure.
	They did a similar type of thing, you see, Alex.
	They used the war as a pretext to start the euthanasia program, which first began on German citizens who were mentally ill or physically handicapped.
	They could be blind or crippled or whatever.
	And so what they did was they conditioned the public much in the same way as we're being conditioned with these films, such as the one I accused.
	That was a famous
	Nazi euthanasia film in which it was portrayed in a sympathetic light.
	There were also training films for doctors teaching them, you know, basically showing mentally ill patients in a disgusting light.
	And the reason I'm saying all that is that propaganda, whether the Nazis used it or we used it,
	Operates much the same way.
	I mean, other callers have said this.
	They build a straw man only so that he can be knocked down again.
	And they create a quote-unquote ethical quandary.
	Of course, the reality is nothing like the scenarios they create in these shows like Threat Matrix and 24.
	Yeah, there's a nuclear bomb.
	They've got to have the answers.
	And the loving control officer straps him down and cries and says, I don't want to torture you.
	And the bad person goes, ah, go ahead.
	Because they're inhuman and they go ahead and zap him in blood sprays.
	But they save everybody.
	Torture's really good.
	Uh-huh, uh-huh.
	The reality is what it was in Latin America.
	I can remember reading the old Amnesty International and America's Watch report.
	Yeah, they'd just pull a family over in their little truck, walk them out, put a bullet in daddy, mommy's head, line the toddlers up, mow them down.
	Sure.
	Throw them in a pit.
	Yeah, and torture them for their training.
	You know, they're training people to do this.
	So they would grab somebody off the street and...
	And do this.
	Well, ma'am, you've certainly done your homework.
	I've actually seen documentaries and read a lot about what the Nazis did.
	But actually, they learned all this from American and British eugenics experts, Margaret Sanger and others.
	And in the Nuremberg trials, they actually tried to use the Margaret Sanger doctrine as their defense.
	Again, the head of Planned Parenthood, the founder of it.
	And just chilling stuff.
	And it did start on the retarded children, people who were handicapped,
	And they built the cadre out of that, and now we call it bioethics today, and it's being promoted.
	And again, it's not just conservatives that are out fighting it.
	Wesley Smith, who's a Democrat, writes for the Wall Street Journal.
	He's done dozens of reports listing the names of people who are paralyzed neck down, begging for food and water.
	I think what has happened is we've entered what I've heard called a culture of complacency.
	And we either don't care... Well, Wesley Smith calls it a culture of death.
	Yeah, it is a culture of death, and we either don't care, or in the Christian world, there's this mindset that says, oh, well, prophecy's got to be fulfilled, so we can't do anything about it anyway.
	Or they're just so preoccupied with their own little lives.
	I mean, I think it struck me the other night...
	Just, you know, I mean, everybody's just going out to a restaurant, doing what they normally do, and, I mean, it's what Hannah Arendt calls the banality of evil.
	I hear you, and I appreciate the call.
	Good to hear from you.
	Wow.
	Good call.
	Carlos in California.
	Carlos, go ahead.
	Hello?
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, Carlos here.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, Alex, so this...
	It's commissions that are appointed.
	It's nothing but wash-overs to camouflage the truth and kind of hide the truth.
	You know, during the Warren Commission, if we go back through history, was there to whitewash and obscure the truth about the Kennedy assassinations.
	And, of course, the New World Order appointed some other people to it, such as Ford and Prince.
	Next President Ford, and of course they rewarded him for the presidency.
	And Earl Warren himself.
	Exactly.
	Well, of course.
	And then the 9-11 Commission, you've got some very questionable characters there.
	You've got a Mr. Keene who owned some of the stocks in some of the military industrial corporations that are reaping profits of the
	Okay, let me just say something here, Carlos.
	Number one...
	Who appointed the 9-11 Commission?
	George W. Bush.
	That shows it's not independent.
	It's like they appoint the new Iraqi government and then go, oh, look, we've given them freedom.
	Our appointees want us to stay.
	I mean, this is so bald-faced in your face that it's staggering, just the wall of just obvious lies.
	And Chairman Keene...
	He's in business with one of bin Laden's brothers-in-law.
	He's in a bunch of different businesses with Bush.
	The head staffer on it helped write Condoleezza Rice's book for a bunch of the other members.
	The Democrat who quit a few months ago got the head of the import-export bank.
	Bush gave him that chairmanship.
	It's a joke.
	Again, it's like we've got Ashcroft investigating Rumsfeld.
	Well, you know, the sad thing is that most Americans are so gullible that they don't see through the obvious things that us Americans that do a little bit of research do.
	You know, Americans don't care, basically, and that's why they're the most ignorant people on the earth.
	And it's sad that this being the greatest economic power, the greatest democratic power, we have people that are so gullible and naive, and our nation is falling apart because of our lack of knowledge.
	Well, you're right, Carlos, but Carlos, that's the cycle.
	In every major civilization, they're strong to begin with, intelligent, informed people,
	Then, because they're free, they become wealthy, you have plenty, and then their children become spoiled brats, their children become thugs, their children become killers, and then you've got tyranny.
	And it happens over and over and over again, and so we're decadent.
	And you're right.
	Just 50 years ago, Americans were the smartest people in the world, the highest test scores, the most educated.
	Okay?
	Now, we are behind all industrialized countries and 20-plus third world countries.
	We're way down the list now for the level of education and being informed.
	They have major polls every year of high school seniors, and one year it's 75%, one year 89%.
	Don't know who the vice president is.
	Don't know how many continents there are.
	Don't know what the First Amendment is.
	Don't know the three branches of government.
	Can't name five state capitals.
	Sir, they don't know anything, but they'll tell you their opinion about torture, Carlos.
	Well, it's so sad.
	There's a deliberate dumbing down of the people, which of course is controlled by the New World Order.
	They control the educational system.
	They impose collective philosophies, and they
	They downgrade and debunk any individual achievements.
	It's all supposed to be a collective achievement by the students.
	And again, you're right.
	That is not... You have some wonderful communist society that they've promised us, which of course is a fraud.
	It's so the elite doesn't have any competition for their total domination.
	Thanks for the call.
	Another great caller.
	Ken in California.
	Go ahead, Ken.
	Yes, John Ashcroft stated two days ago in that investigation that we're not covered by the Geneva Convention because our so-called enemies...
	Are not wearing uniforms.
	They don't come from a state.
	Let me stop you, Ken, because a lot of people don't know what you're talking about.
	You're making another incredible call after incredible call.
	Ashcroft, before Congress, testified about the torture, said he won't release all the memos where they say Bush is God and is allowed to torture and is above all federal laws.
	We did get those pieces of the memo.
	He's refusing to release it or investigate it, and yes, I didn't see it, but I read the transcript.
	He then would double-think, oh, we're not torturing, we're not going to give you the information, but at the same time, oh, but we're allowed to, because we're not under the Geneva Convention, because these are enemy combatants.
	Go ahead.
	I have never heard such double-speak in my life.
	I mean, I saw the whole thing, and it was just absolutely astounding.
	He kept repeating, the president has not ordered anything that...
	We're good to go.
	The Geneva Convention.
	He really would not answer the question.
	It's obvious that these memos going back and forth, he gave the advice, and torture is okay.
	Well, General Antonio Togumba's report, what, five weeks ago, has the admissions, the confessions.
	He saw the thousands of photographs and videos.
	They admit raping women.
	Beating people to death.
	Beating children in front of their parents.
	Reuters cameramen have had their children tortured in front of them.
	That's been in Reuters.
	It's all in the report.
	Then the other Army report says 70-90% of those in the 32 camps were arrested at checkpoints for not having papers in order.
	And they've almost all got children with them.
	Look, who would go take a job?
	They admit they went to prisons.
	This has now come out.
	Bad records that were being investigated.
	Ashcroft, a year ago, a year plus ago, sent feds in to give people bonuses to join the military.
	Prison guards with bad records.
	They did this on purpose.
	Go ahead.
	I think we need an independent prosecutor.
	But how are we going to get an independent prosecutor when the Republicans who support the President, which are the majority in Congress...
	Have to appoint the independent prosecutor.
	What are we supposed to do?
	But again, you didn't see Bill Clinton shutting down School of America in Georgia, the tortured university.
	You don't see the Democrats calling for real investigations.
	So again, you say the Republicans.
	Again, you have to know, sir, that Bush and Kerry and all of this, it's a staged event.
	It's theater.
	Yes, I know.
	I do agree with you.
	But don't you think that if we put enough pressure on the Congress that they'll finally have to appoint some kind of independent counsel to investigate this thing?
	Yeah, but, I mean, they called this the 9-11 Commission Independent when Bush appointed it.
	They called Danforth appointed by Reno over the Waco Investigation Independent.
	They're calling Rumsfeld running the Torture Investigation Independent when the memos are out there when he gave the order.
	Is it under federal law?
	I understand.
	That if a felony is committed, such as torture, which is a felony, and somebody dies, that's considered first-degree murder.
	In other words, in the process of a felony, somebody dies... And that's why the memo before all this torture from the Defense Department by Rumsfeld says we're above the law.
	The president is not bound by federal law.
	So I guess that means he can, you know, snort cocaine on the White House lawn, or, you know, he's not bound by law, they're saying.
	Thanks for the call.
	And, of course, they are bound by law.
	Thank you.
	I mean, when the government starts saying we're not bound by our own laws, folks, and we know they've been ignoring their own laws forever and selectively enforcing them, but heaven help us when they start publicly saying we're not bound by laws.
	I mean, that is Stalin-esque.
	That is Hitlerian.
	That is Mao Zedong-ish.
	That is Fidel-ish.
	Again, I'm speechless at this point.
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	And maybe one call out of 30 calls in and disagrees.
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	I haven't seen it yet, but the new Running Man release, 2004 DVD, supposedly has a 20-minute special, saying, look at the Running Man.
	Got a call yesterday.
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	And so, you know, folks, a lot of stuff is happening right now.
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	Okay, Alex, I've got three quick points.
	Um,
	Also, there's a little clip on the end of The Matrix that's similar to that, where the producer's just talking about it, and he talks about how there is a secret behind the secret, and it's on the end of The Matrix.
	But at any rate, that's not what I called it.
	Which Matrix is that?
	I think it's the first one.
	Are you saying it's something extra on the DVD?
	DVD, right.
	Wow.
	So they're around.
	A lot of those DVDs have extra stuff
	Also, though, a few years ago, I picked up this CD in a record shop called The Movie Minority Report.
	I'm sure you're familiar with that.
	Yes.
	And I just had been listening to you for a while, and it amazes me at how saturated we are with this new way of thinking.
	For instance, this CD is free, and I just picked it up, you know, to see what it was, put it on my computer, and it's a game!
	And the name of the game is Welcome to the Department of Pre-Crime.
	And you have a case, you have to find and identify the perpetrator of the pre-crime.
	Yeah, that's a Philip K. Dick book, and Spielberg is definitely on the other side.
	He goes to Bilderberg group meetings, and they basically took that film, and it's a big conditioning mechanism.
	Well, this is a little game that you play on your TV.
	Yeah, I know.
	They had a game with it and the fake TV ads and the rest of it.
	All right, the other thing I wanted to mention...
	There was another movie called The Trial by Orson Welles from 1963.
	It was just another movie I picked up, and it basically is about what's going on now where they have a guy arrested, but nobody will tell him what he's arrested for.
	And everybody just says, you know what, you know what to do.
	And that's what Homeland Security does, and they're setting that precedent for all citizens for all crimes.
	And this was back in 1963, so... By the way, if you want to say hi to the star of The Matrix, you can say hi to him right now.
	I'm going to shut up.
	Hey, listen, I appreciate your call.
	It's good to hear from you.
	I'm glad I brought up movies, and the next caller brought them up.
	Good to hear from you.
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	All right, my friends, we're now into our number two of this live Thursday edition.
	We have John Ashcroft and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld investigating themselves in the torture scandal.
	We have a lot of Big Brother activities going on, more troops, our troops being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq, a bunch of economic news, and of course, I know we've got a load of phone lines that are going to your calls early in this hour.
	And Bob Chapman was in military intelligence.
	He's a highly respected economist, written for a lot of big journals in the country.
	And he's made incredible prediction after amazing prediction here on this show over the years and on other broadcasts and in print in his International Forecaster, one of the most highly respected periodicals out there.
	And we're going to have Bob Chapman with us.
	And Bob, good to have you on the show with us.
	Do we have Bob there?
	Hey, Bob, good to have you on with us.
	Bob, tell us a little bit about yourself in a nutshell for those who don't know who you are.
	Then I want to get into the whole geopolitical scene, the economy, the war, the impending terror attacks that Bush is out fear-mongering us through his surrogates.
	Well, as you said, I worked in counterintelligence for the government.
	I went to university.
	I was probably one of the largest, if not the largest, gold silver stockbroker.
	I've been in the world for 28 years.
	Owned my own brokerage firm.
	I retired in 1989 and couldn't stand it so I continued to write.
	I had written for several journals plus my own clientele of 6,000 clients and so I just carried it on with the International Forecaster.
	I also had another publication before that called the Gary Allen Report which Gary Allen and I wrote together.
	Now, I know you've got a lot on your mind today, and I've got questions I've got for you, and I know the listeners will as well, so we can talk about basically any issue, but the economy right now, they're telling us that it's doing wonderfully, but then I look at all the real economic numbers, and they're in the toilet.
	What's the reality from your 30-plus years of study?
	Well, I think the overall reality is the government is lying about most every figure that they released.
	Now whether that would happen under a different administration remains to be seen because of the power behind the government itself.
	But the American public is not being told the truth and that's why people subscribe to the International Forecaster hoping that they can get more of the truth as to what is really going on.
	And so yes, it is as bad as it seems.
	Particularly in this unemployment situation, which they've tried to improve.
	To make a long story short, most of it is deception, and employment has only improved ever so slightly, in spite of the billions and billions of dollars that have been poured into the economy.
	And so I think the situation is now that the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan...
	And I think he's got some serious problems with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
	And I think that's why over the last month that he increased the monetary aggregates by about $155 billion under M3.
	And that is one of the reasons and all.
	Bob, we've got a break, but when we get back, I want to explain what M2, M3 money supplies are, what liquidity means.
	Basically, the printing presses are on fire.
	They're printing so fast.
	They're at light speed, warp 10.
	And I want to get into how they manipulate the numbers.
	I mean, one example is, they don't count people as unemployed who go off the rolls, so a million people go off the rolls because it's run out, and they say, oh, a million new jobs.
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	But, Bob, for those that just joined us, it's always good to reintroduce this, and then I want to go into how the economy really works and what it means to have a plunging dollar and what we're facing.
	But first off, how did you discover the New World Order being at the pinnacle of economic success, one of the most highly respected names on the stock market and on gold and other metals?
	I want people to realize that.
	But how did you discover what the New World Order is?
	And then for those in a nutshell, what is the New World Order?
	Well, I discovered it when I was involved in counterintelligence because things were happening that just didn't make any sense to me.
	And after I left, I spoke with people who knew what was going on, and they filled me in in the early 1960s.
	And the New World Order is a dream...
	We're good to go.
	And, of course, your listenership knows about the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberger Group, etc.
	Absolutely, and their goal is serfdom, to enslave the population.
	People go, oh, they wouldn't do that.
	Well, that's really the history of the world.
	It's like the rock and roll song, everybody wants to rule the world.
	These guys are really setting up the global mechanism for global taxation, global regulation.
	And, you know, our freedoms, they could care less about those.
	And when people see the economic scene, I don't think they realize that this is manipulated.
	This is not free market.
	That they want booms and busts to consolidate power and control.
	So I guess we should talk about the Federal Reserve.
	And why they're more than happy, I guess, to have the dollar plunging, and what it means to have a weak dollar.
	And then extrapolating from there, what it means to have the Federal Reserve printing money like the late Weimar Republic in the 20s.
	Well, the Federal Reserve is a privately owned organization which is controlled by these people.
	And they create the background...
	For financial events for the future.
	And presently, what they, on behalf of their mentors, are doing is leading the United States towards a depression.
	And before that happens, I think you're going to see inflation to some extent.
	It all depends on the inflation side of it, whether the President of the United States is impeached.
	I think you're going to see over the next several days here, since the resignation of two top people in the CIA, and the President and Dick Cheney, among others, hiring criminal attorneys,
	I think that they've been caught lying about the Valerie Palm thing and I think it could bring down the government and I think the neocons could be out and I think that there's a possibility that there would be another Republican nominee.
	And these are the things that are going on that are affecting...
	The whole situation and of course the underlying thing is the financial problems which have been created deliberately because what they expected to do was keep the economy going well, get Bush re-elected, and then after the election they let the economy go down.
	Now it may come a little bit sooner.
	I think?
	We're good to go.
	Okay, Fannie, Freddie, explain to people what that means.
	Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are two agencies which buy mortgages from people who originate them.
	And then they package them and they sell them to investors, but they guarantee them.
	Now, up until just recently...
	So it's a giant bubble.
	I think so.
	As the rates move higher, you're going to have more people having foreclosures, particularly those who have adjustable mortgages called ARMs.
	Now, many of those people didn't think interest rates would go higher, and I'm expecting three more points on interest rates using the 10-year Treasury note, which has already gone up 1.20% over the last maybe eight weeks.
	I think so.
	And then they have to sell these foreclosures.
	Now, what does it mean to have a plunging dollar?
	People in Mexico know what it means to have a weak peso, but the average yuppie I talk to thinks it's funny that the dollar has been devalued, depending on what index you look at, 35% to 46%.
	Number one, what is the real devaluing in the last two years of the dollar, and what does that mean?
	Well, the dollar, since the mid-1970s, is off.
	But I mean, in the last two years... In the last two years, though, the drop against foreign currency specifically?
	The last few years, we've seen...
	And that's roughly... And that's roughly 40%.
	That's roughly 40% then.
	Yes, and I think it's got another 30 or 40 to go.
	Now, Bush said last year that a plunging dollar is good.
	He said this year that fast food jobs should be indexed as industry jobs, high-tech jobs.
	And he said that the Congressional Budget Office stated as well that we're going to have seven times the layoffs in the next five years on high tech, and that exporting jobs is our main export, and that it's a good thing.
	Well, that's insanity, and any sane person knows that.
	He doesn't know what he's talking about.
	He may have a master's degree, but he probably has slept through classes.
	Well, he obviously knows that's a fraud, but this is the propaganda of putting a good face on it.
	Almost everything that they've done is fraud.
	I mean, when this Palm affair comes out, people are... I mean, it was bad enough the last couple of weeks to find out that we had outside contractors as well as military personnel raping and torturing and abusing prisoners.
	Now we're going to be beset with the exposure of probably one of the most important CIA operatives in the agency.
	Out of vindictiveness against her husband, Joseph Wilson, for saying that the administration was lying about there being uranium that was being shipped to Iraq by a Niger, and the CIA had told them
	The administration a year before that that wasn't true.
	It was a lie, but they used it anyway.
	They just wanted an excuse for war.
	Bush still went on the State of the Union and stated it.
	So why do you think we see these resignations in the CIA?
	There's rumblings of other resignations by Powell and others.
	What does that signify?
	They want to get out of harm's way, and once they've resigned, they can testify against them.
	That's interesting, isn't it?
	Now, I'm hearing this, and I respect you.
	You've made a lot of accurate predictions, haven't found really any that you weren't right on.
	You've been late on a few things, so we all have, but everything you've broken down has unfortunately come true.
	A lot of people are saying that they think there's some type of weird jockeying going on and that this could happen.
	I just find it hard to believe Bush has done such a good job of raping America, bringing us into the New World Order.
	Why would they change horses with their cousin, Kerry?
	Well, I don't think they want to, but they're forced to.
	I think it's a power struggle among the elite.
	And they're saying, one group is saying to the other, hey, you've made a mess of this thing.
	We've got to turn this thing around.
	We've got to get you out of there.
	Because if you keep on doing it, the whole world's going to come around our heads.
	And when that happens, everybody's going to discover what we've been doing, and they're going to take us out and shoot us.
	You know, I'm hearing this from just all these different quarters of respected researchers and individuals.
	We're getting this out of British intelligence.
	You know, I don't know what to say about it.
	I mean, Bush is just a puppet.
	So you're thinking the globalists may use Bush as a sacrificial lamb politically to make people believe that the plunging economy and the torture and the CIA sellouts, that all that was Bush?
	That's correct, and it's only because they have to.
	If they didn't have to, they wouldn't want to get rid of him.
	I mean, they had him going on the way for his second term.
	And all of these things have come together at the wrong time.
	The Europeans, the black nobility in Europe, that is part of this conspiracy, the original part of this conspiracy, if you may, they're furious with him.
	Because he's just gone off the deep end.
	And that whole group is so greedy.
	I mean, out of 3,000 government contracts, Halliburton...
	There's 2,700 of them.
	Tell you what, stay there, Incredible.
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	There's kind of a mental illness that occurs at high altitudes of the pinnacle of power.
	It happens in most cases, the majority of the time throughout history.
	You can take a normal, nice person, give them a lot of power, and they'll flip out and turn into tyrants.
	Well, you've got inbred families working together.
	People who funded the Nazis, my friends, in control, and they're going all the way.
	When I said during the last segment that Bob Chapman's made a lot of predictions that come true and that he's only been late a few times, by that he'll say, I think gold's going to do this in six months, and it doesn't happen in six months, it happens in eight months.
	I mean, just scary accuracy.
	Frankly, I have a lot of that same talent at looking at all the different information and integrating it together.
	Frankly, I'm getting this from a lot of corners that I respect.
	That we could see a major super Watergate scandal, or Bush may go ahead and pull a big terror attack before that happens to smoke screen that out.
	Now, I said we'd go to calls in this segment.
	We will in the next, because I wanted to give Bob Chapman a chance to respond to the government saying there's going to be terror attacks, we're going to have martial law, it's good, all these generals saying this.
	Bob, comments on that?
	Well, I predicted that about four or five months ago.
	If the election was close or Mr. Bush was behind, and the latest polls I've seen is that his rating for approval is 42 and 43 percent, and that's considerably behind.
	By the way, a new poll out today...
	Well, no, I totally agree with you, and...
	The question is, how do we stop them?
	So what do you see happening?
	I mean, just extrapolating, not a prediction, but what you think, you know, probabilities here.
	You think they'll go ahead and carry out a big terror attack that will kind of nullify all these other investigations?
	Or will the elite allow them to do that?
	It's hard to say.
	It's really hard to say.
	I don't know whether he can act unilaterally.
	It can go either way.
	If we do have that kind of an act and we do have martial law, then they're going to have to face the window of opportunity, and that is that window so they can go forward and implement world government.
	But at the same time, when they do that, everybody in the world is going to know what they're doing, and because of people like you and I, they're going to know why they're doing it.
	And they stand a great...
	Well, you know, I tend to agree with you.
	Before 9-11...
	I got enough clear information in their propaganda reading how they were trying to prepare the public that I went on air and I said, call the White House.
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	Tell them, don't use your Patsy Bin Laden to attack the World Trade Centers.
	I mean, that's how much information I had, and that was on the record on radio and TV, and that's in my film, Masters of Terror.
	And everybody heard me for a month straight, coming up before 9-11, off and on, spending three hours sometimes a day warning people, because it was specific.
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	But at the same time, that could be disinfo.
	I mean, I've never seen such a fog.
	A fog, though, with these glimpses of big rocks ahead.
	No matter which way you cut it, Alex, it's bad.
	But I've never not been able to really put my finger on it.
	So basically, it's just chaos then.
	It is, and we're not going to know what's going to happen until it happens.
	And if we go into the election, he may get impeached.
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	And then we heard the Saudis were going to pump more oil right before the election, and now they're doing that.
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	We're on the edge of going either to the next level of tyranny or giving tyranny quite a blow.
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	We're going to go to the calls in about 60 seconds, but Bob, when I listen to the financial talk show hosts on the radio and I occasionally watch TV, it is such a false reality of lies they're putting out.
	Just from the other professional journals I read, they have to know they're congenital liars.
	They're putting out all these lies.
	How do you deal with that?
	Well, I know what the lies are, so I just skirt them and look for what meat I can find.
	I go through 300 pieces of research a day.
	I probably answer over 100 emails a day.
	And so I get a lot of exposure.
	And I've been doing this for many, many years.
	This is my 45th year.
	And I did research prior to that, so it's almost 50 years of doing research of one kind or another.
	So you can spot the good stuff and the bad stuff, and you've got to have a good memory, and you've got to be sharp, and I can do that.
	I mean, all the real economic numbers are in trouble.
	And believe me, I don't like this, folks.
	We're all, even though this is a fiat system, we're all tied to it.
	But meanwhile, they're telling us it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, that it's milk and honey.
	But then I talk to everybody on the street, and they're going, man, it's worse than ever.
	That's right.
	It's amazing.
	Let's go ahead and talk to Mark in West Virginia.
	Mark, thanks for holding.
	Go ahead.
	You're welcome, Alex.
	I have a quick comment and then a question.
	The comment is, I think this issue with the Mexican truckers displacing the jobs of American truckers could be the thing that turns the tide and allows the American people to know that they're...
	We've been taken over by a shadow driver.
	Listen, they're not even going to be searched, but citizens are on the street corners in the middle of the country.
	Thousands of trucks pouring across.
	Supreme Court's saying there's nothing you can do.
	They get three cents a mile when an American truck driver gets 30 cents a mile.
	That's a whole other industry.
	A higher-level blue-collar job where you can make a good living for your family being destroyed, and this is the plan.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, American truckers aren't going to put up with it.
	I'm sure of that.
	My question is kind of a lengthy one, but I think it's germane to your guest here today.
	I'm reaching out to you and your guests and your listeners.
	In 1978 or 79, when the Iranians overtook the U.S.
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	Yes, sir.
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	Documents from the nest of spies have been translated into English.
	Well, that would be interesting, but it's pretty old intelligence, and plus anything that's going to be in a console probably wouldn't be of the highest level.
	Comments, Bob?
	The United States government has forbidden professional journals and scientific journals from Iran and Iraq and some of the other countries over there from being translated in the United States.
	So there's your answer.
	Thanks for the call.
	I appreciate it, Mark.
	Kevin in Colorado.
	Kevin, go ahead.
	Hello.
	Hey, Alex.
	I've been on hold a long time, so I hope you'll give me a moment to get through this.
	It was before your current guest came on.
	That's fine.
	Go ahead.
	Well, I'm a left-wing liberal.
	This is a positive call, so don't cut me off.
	I'm a left-wing liberal, and I believe in a woman's right to choose.
	I believe in gun control.
	I believe in socialized medicine.
	But, listen, we find ourselves back-to-back in this fight against the Bush administration.
	You know, we can disagree, we can have our opinions, and we can work what we think is right out in the open and keep the American people... And I suppose, let me stop you, I suppose you think Kerry's going to save you.
	I don't think Kerry's going to save me, but I don't think Kerry is a corrupt... Oh, come on!
	Hang on now.
	Let me talk, let me talk.
	And then let Bob talk.
	Well, I think you've pretty well covered it, and that's why I tell people to go to a third-party candidate.
	And yes, that's why they do want our weapons, and once they're gone, we're dead.
	I mean, sir, can't you get past the... Look, look, the government, Mark, or excuse me, Kevin...
	Created the UN, created the gun control movements.
	They control the left.
	They control your so-called alternative.
	I bet you're not against Che Guevara having an AK-47, but why are you against the citizen having it?
	Why?
	Well, Alex, we're going to be ideologically opposed on a lot of things, but there's a very specific and real danger that we're working together.
	But answer my question.
	You're the one that brought up gun control.
	What's wrong with you?
	Come on, man.
	Hitler was for gun control.
	Don't you understand that?
	It's not funny.
	I do understand that.
	They're building concentration camps.
	Did you just hear Bob?
	Did you just hear Bob?
	What's going to happen if they get our guns, buddy?
	No, I mean, we have to disagree on a few points, but yet we also have to work together on a common problem.
	I mean, we both have a common problem in this Bush administration.
	No, we have a problem with the whole system that controls people like Bush.
	Do you not agree?
	And that's why things never get better, because the left in America thinks it's just the Republicans, and the right in America thinks it's the Democrats, when they're Siamese twins.
	Go ahead, Bob.
	Well, I agree with you, and that leaves us really no one to vote for except third-party candidates.
	And perhaps they can't win, but the point is at least people can express themselves.
	This locomotive that's going forward is under great power, and whether we can sidetrack it or not remains to be seen.
	Well, let me ask Kevin a question.
	Kevin, do you think the U.N.
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	I don't think the U.N.
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	But I do support the U.N.'
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	By the way, let me expand on that for you.
	Okay, because this is an important call.
	Okay, and I hope everybody bears with us.
	Hold on a minute, sir.
	Just hold on a minute.
	I said two years ago the UN would come in and take over Iraq, playing the part of the good cop.
	The UN said that.
	It's staged, sir.
	It's theater.
	Can't you wake up to that?
	Can't you understand the UN has murdered millions worldwide?
	The UN is infinitely corrupt.
	It is a tool of the... Bob, explain to him what the UN is.
	Well, it's exactly what you said and more.
	It's going to become the housing for world government.
	I think we're good to go.
	Yeah, and by the way, they say that in their own documents.
	You should get Road to Tyranny.
	By the way, you know the UN's for NAFTA and GATT.
	They're for all these policies that Bush is for.
	It's the UN, UNESCO, pushing, putting all the children on Ritalin and Prozac.
	I mean, I don't think, sir, I think you listen to the rhetoric.
	I don't think you know what the UN's really all about.
	Well, if I may make my point...
	It may be a small point, but I only called to make this one point, okay?
	And I was trying to lay the groundwork for it.
	And we are diametrically opposed on a number of issues.
	You're on the right, I believe.
	I'm on the left.
	Sure, I'm way past.
	I'm way past the left-right paradigm.
	Well, okay, okay.
	But some would argue that you're just far right.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You're not listening to what I say.
	I listen to what you say.
	Hold on.
	I can debate my facts with points and history and legislation and...
	All you say is, that's your opinion, moral relativism.
	When men in black ski masks come and take you to a forced labor camp, buddy, and I've been to them, all your talk about moral relativism doesn't matter.
	This is the real deal.
	You better grow up!
	You better grow up!
	We agree on moral relativism.
	We agree.
	I don't believe that moral relativism is valuable, and I think a good example of moral relativism is watching this Bush administration condone torture in the name of protecting us from terrorists.
	But were you complaining when Bill Clinton was supporting School of Americas?
	No, I was not.
	In fact, I am a strong Clinton supporter.
	We disagree on a number of things, sir.
	But we stand back-to-back in our agreement on the danger of this Bush administration.
	This is my point.
	Wait a minute.
	Clinton said he likes Bush, and Bush is doing a good job.
	I think you may be taking things slightly out of context.
	Bob, do you have anything else to say to this guy?
	Well, I think it's a great idea that the left and the right can come together for a common cause or against a common enemy.
	But I think we see the same intellectual dishonesty that we saw in the 1950s.
	And that is, you have to go and find out what the facts are.
	And when you do, you'll change.
	You'll come to the middle.
	Okay, thanks for the call, Kevin.
	Look, I'm glad you're listening, but just please don't call up and tell me how I need to turn my guns in.
	I'm not going to get along.
	Fred in Philadelphia.
	Fred, go ahead.
	Alex, I want to talk about the economy and even the mainstream...
	I think so.
	What do you think will happen with these interest rates in the housing markets?
	I tell you what, stay there because we were about to break.
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	Fred, we talked about the housing market, the manipulation earlier.
	I mean, are you asking what's going to happen in Bob's opinion, or are you asking why they're doing this?
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	Yeah, I'm right here.
	Yeah, I mean, specifically... Yeah, I think you're going to have a huge, disdained rise in mortgage rates.
	Can you hear me?
	And that's what Fred's asking me.
	And I agree with you, Fred.
	The 10-year Treasury note upon which interest rates are based for mortgages has already gone up 1.2%.
	Now, refis of almost...
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	It has been the key to what they've been doing, and what they've been doing is totally unprecedented historically.
	I mean, they are way out on the edge, and they're going to fall off.
	And it's going to come down anywhere between 20% and 80%, depending upon the price of the house and the location, etc.
	But isn't that part of the larger plan by the IMF and World Bank?
	We have their own documents from two years ago to artificially create these bubbles and then have controlled burstings.
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	My friends, I have publicly published copies of the National Banking Associations and others 150 years ago bragging about how they made their money by blowing out economies and then foreclosing on everyone.
	The banks, my friends, can take a dollar and then loan out $10, $15, $20 for each dollar that they actually have in their bank account.
	And the Federal Reserve prints it out of nothing and then creates debt that we owe to the private banks.
	It's an incredible scam.
	And so they need to have this consolidation.
	This is what they do.
	This is by design.
	And the new public works program is going to be the new national draft.
	Different bills have people 18 to 49 being under its control.
	We're about to go back to your calls to Kevin and Brian and John and Dylan and Joe and others, but in this short segment, first, the draft.
	Talk about the draft, this radical re-engineering of the entire society, and what you think is going to develop, Bob Chapman.
	Well, I think you're going to see a lot of people moving their children out of the country.
	And the reason I think that is we've received about,
	I think so.
	I mean, these people come from all walks of life who don't want their children and grandchildren used as cannon fodder in a perpetual war for perpetual peace.
	And they also don't want them hauled off to the new U.S.
	camp that's being built in Australia to be trained and then sent to the Middle East.
	And goodness knows when the children will ever come home again and the tremendous change it will make in their lives.
	The whole thing is a total waste, but what it is, as you said, I call it the new Civilian Conservation Corps.
	It's a way to offset the unemployment which will be flooding the streets because of the financial fiasco which they've created.
	They're talking about a $3 million draft for the military and $10 million for these domestic corps.
	They're going to say, fine, you don't have to go overseas.
	You've got to serve domestically.
	And I've read what you're going to do.
	It is literal East German Stasi-type activities, Bob.
	Yes, I have, too.
	And I think the domestic programs outside of the military will be extremely limited.
	So you think that's just propaganda they're putting out of, oh, don't worry, go along with the draft, you'll get to stay here.
	Well, I don't think you're going to stay here.
	I think that the brightest and the strongest will be shipped off someplace else.
	And that's why I have offered through my website to tell people where I think they should go.
	Just as a public service.
	Well, I'd like you to talk about that.
	But, you know, that's just the way it is.
	Well, I'd like you to talk about that if we take some calls, because part of this New World Order is they've already got a deal with Canada that you can't run there.
	They'll send you back.
	Other nations are signing on.
	They were getting ready for this years ago, Bob.
	That's true.
	You're absolutely right.
	You know, Bill Clinton set up a committee to study reintroducing the draft in 99.
	I mean, they've been quietly gearing up for a long time.
	That's right.
	The bill first went in the hopper almost five years ago.
	That's right, and they reintroduced it two years ago, and now I've seen 12 different versions, Bob.
	Some are 18 to 49.
	We have a lot of sponsors now.
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	Maybe it's the issue that just came out.
	I can't remember.
	I write so much it merges after a while.
	But anyway, either in this issue that's out this week or the next one, I get a list of the sponsors.
	And that should be written to and told, which is to congressmen and senators, that if you're going to sponsor this thing, we're going to do everything possible to make sure you're not re-elected.
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	You know, there are people who study football.
	Frankly, I was one of them in high school who could tell you about all the professional football teams, all the college teams, the scores, how much their linebackers weigh, and they're experts on that.
	So the public isn't stupid.
	They're just ignorant on areas that they should be informed on.
	Oh, politics, finances, that's boring.
	They don't even know which end is up.
	And that's a recipe to be abused, my friends.
	And I'm not tooting my own horn.
	Just like Bob Chapman, I spend four, five, six hours a day sometimes reading news wires.
	Reading transcripts, looking at legislation, and the picture is clear.
	Total tyranny, total despotism emerging.
	I'm not an expert on football anymore.
	I'm an expert on geopolitical systems and how the left and right are controlled and how things are infiltrated and how they condition the public.
	And it's always refreshing to have...
	We're good to go.
	I want to go to these calls here in just a moment, but where are some of the safe places if people want to get their children out of the country that don't have extradition, draft extradition deals like Canada does now?
	Well, I'm rather reluctant to give this one particular country I think is a good one, and there are two others, but I'd rather not give them out on the radio because what's going to happen is the government's going to start leaning on them.
	But I do know this, that you're right about Canada.
	They have made an agreement with the United States to return draft evaders.
	And I would think that New Zealand and Australia will do exactly the same thing.
	And so that cuts it down.
	You know, those are the countries that most people think of immediately.
	The people can contact me.
	I'll tell them privately.
	But if I put it out over the air, they're going to be all over those countries, you know, trying to make an agreement with them.
	Well, I think they're already... I know the countries you're talking about.
	I think they already are, Bob.
	It may be.
	I haven't read anything on it yet.
	I think they've been doing other things that I think are more important to them at the moment.
	But the longer it takes for them to try to get an agreement, the better it is.
	No, I agree with you.
	I agree with that point.
	I tell you, this is just... Now, again, you served in the military.
	A lot of people did who are now against this because this isn't our military, is it?
	No, and if you look at it in the perspective that not only have they pulled up our Reserve and National Guard forces and they have a small military, what has happened at the top of the military is that many of the people upon retirement or long before that who are real professionals have quit and joined mercenary armies.
	Also... And we've got thousands and thousands of people who are assisting our military...
	And they have plausible deniability.
	They can really do what they want.
	Just like with the torture.
	Pardon me?
	Just like with the torture.
	Absolutely.
	Those are private contractors.
	And there's no control over them.
	And so in that respect alone, we don't have the same set of even domestic circumstances that we had before.
	And so the military today is not what it was before.
	And of course,
	The awards that we've recently had are awards for profit, and it's very, very obvious.
	Well, also, Bob, there's a draft on right now.
	People who signed up for three years, five years, ten years, for two-plus years, they're not letting any of them leave.
	They're saying, no, you're not allowed to leave.
	Didn't you read the fine print?
	You have to stay.
	So it's no longer a volunteer military.
	That's exactly true, and they have done that before.
	During the Second World War, and they did it in 1959 with the U.S.
	Air Force.
	But that only lasted, in 1955, only lasted perhaps about a year.
	I don't recollect, but it wasn't a long period of time.
	But, you know, I was involved in the military at that time, so I was aware of it.
	But you're right.
	They are experiencing involuntary servitude.
	Oh, boy.
	Which is a fancy word for slavery, boys and girls.
	Uh-huh.
	Let's take some calls here.
	Somebody's got to talk about it.
	But you know what, Bob?
	Last point, and we'll go to the calls, I promise.
	And quickly, callers.
	Make your point, and then we'll move to the next, because we've got a lot of people here.
	But the denial, Bob.
	I mean, if people are going to...
	To deny that they've got all these draft bills introduced, draft boards being set up now for eight months, selective service preparing to force women into it.
	This is all in the newspaper, and still the yuppies I know who've got children laugh at me and say, no, it isn't going to happen, you're making it up.
	I mean, why are they in denial on something that's public?
	Yeah, well, I think it's part of their personality, and it's always been that way.
	They are in denial, like I said, to the gentleman who previously called.
	It's intellectual.
	They can't accept the ability that they're facing.
	Their decent minds just can't understand that anybody or any group of people can be that evil.
	It's intellectual dishonesty.
	Well, yeah, they do the mental trick, the gymnastics of, no, I'm in control of my life.
	I have power.
	Everything I've been taught is true.
	Don't tell me that the world's round.
	I say it's flat.
	I don't want to hear it.
	Shut up.
	Yeah, until a bayonet goes in and I feel a sharp pain.
	Okay, former military intelligence, economist, preeminent researcher, Bob Chapman's our guest.
	Bam, bam, bam.
	Let's go to the calls.
	Kevin in Boston, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Hello, Alex.
	Thank you for taking my calls.
	I've got a question for Mr. Chapman and two quick comments.
	First of all, I work in a school I started down today with a lockdown with over 20 police officers and vehicles everywhere.
	That was a nice start to my day.
	Nice martial law drill.
	Second quick comment is regarding the other Kevin that called in a couple of callers back.
	He's not tuned in and he doesn't get it.
	I'm a former self-described proud liberal, but I've welcomed a new world order.
	He won't.
	Wake up until he reads some more of your stuff, so don't scare him away because he'll come to our side.
	He knows something's wrong, but he has to realize that there's no savior in the Kerry, you know, occult campaign either.
	My question for Bob Chapman is I was interested in his reaction to some points made by Senator Tom Ferguson, a Maryland state senator who posted an article about elite bankers pulling the plug on the U.S.
	economy and currency today.
	And some of the points that he made that I was wondering what Mr. Chapman concurred or not with was, you know, he notes that the Japanese Nikkei dropped 5% last night, that the SEC has changed their position.
	They're now saying they're going to remove their crash protection on derivatives, and that's a huge warning that they're about to pull the plug.
	He says that Wall Street insiders are quitting with the value of the stock exchange seat.
	Yeah, let me stop you.
	We have, in the last two years...
	What is it, 40 to 1, Bob, of CEOs pulling out money 40 times for every time they put money in, and now that's accelerating.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, that's been going on for two years.
	And I think the points he's bringing up, I haven't read them as yet.
	I spend too much time on the radio.
	But if you take them one by one, I think we can address them.
	Okay, the stock...
	I think that what's happening here is that perhaps
	And I think this will happen.
	The specialist system is going to be ended.
	And that means everything will be done electronically.
	And that means that the seats will be worth far less than they were in the past.
	And incidentally, these specialists have had a license to steal for the last 230 years.
	That's not really funny.
	By the way, let me add something to this.
	You talk about prosecution, people hiring criminal lawyers in the White House.
	Grasso's facing criminal charges now for his $200 million activities leaving the New York Stock Exchange.
	Comments on that, Bob?
	Well, I don't see that they have any grounds for criminal, as far as what I can see so far.
	But they certainly have a basis for a civil.
	And of course, for Eliot Spitzer, it's a piece of cake, because no matter what he does, it's right, politically.
	Although I must say that Spitzer's done a lot of good things.
	But anyway, the people who are running the exchange...
	The board were the ones that voted Mr. Grasso his salaries and bonuses, etc.
	And you've got to stop and think for a minute.
	That isn't normal.
	The amount of money that they gave him was way out of sync with what should have been given to them.
	And those people had to have known that.
	So there has to be another reason why Grasso was being paid off.
	And I have my suspicions.
	Well, obviously, keep his mouth shut.
	Well, you know, he took two trips down to see the NACO terrorists in Columbia.
	Now, someone's got to tell me why.
	And I've been involved with the stock exchange business for 45 years.
	Why would Grasso be down there with NACO terrorists twice, not once?
	There's photos of them.
	I mean, what conceivably could they have in common?
	Money laundering.
	This is what's behind the whole thing.
	Right.
	So that's his payout.
	The mob's payout.
	And that's just supposition on my part.
	I'm backing into this thing.
	But that could be the reason.
	Well, I mean, notice...
	I'll tell you what, Bob, your phone just started cutting out.
	We'll try to reconnect with you or see if that gets better.
	Thanks for the call, Kevin.
	We'll try to go.
	We'll get to Brian, John, Dylan, Joe, others when we get back.
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	Let's try to go to these calls as quickly as possible.
	Brian in Louisiana, thanks for holding your on-the-air worldwide, sir.
	All right, I'll try to make this quick, but I've got a personal question for both of y'all.
	Y'all have fallen in at 49 years old, and if they try to draft you, what are you going to do?
	Well, I don't fall into the over 49 years of age, and I'm not going to serve a New World Order merc torture army where the troops are forced to take deadly vaccines and breathe a plea to uranium, and Bush has announced they're going to slash the benefits of the troops and not even take care of them, despite the fact that even Korean War and Vietnam vets who were promised lifetime health care for them and their families have now been told they get nothing.
	Bob Chapman comments.
	Well, are you covered at all?
	That was a mouthful, but you're absolutely right.
	And the worst part of it probably is the Veterans Administration and their cutbacks and all of these people who have been injured in working in the military, and now they won't take care of them.
	They won't even.
	They let them on furlough.
	The troops from Louisiana are in Fort Hood, Texas.
	They told them, yeah, y'all can go home.
	You'll get a week furlough for the Fourth of July, but we ain't bringing you.
	We got no money to send you home.
	A couple of businesses around Lafayette and TV stations chipped in, and they're going to try to send them back.
	The Greyhounds sent them back.
	I think that's thoroughly ashamed and disgusting.
	But there's a trillion, 200 billion missing from the Pentagon and hundreds of billions of dollars of contracts for Halliburton and others.
	I mean, there's no money because there's a mass looting going on, Bob.
	Absolutely, and HUD's the same way.
	That's like the cookie jar.
	One more question.
	I know there's no safe or sure thing in this life but death taxes and judgment after you die, but as far as getting into gold, do you know, Alex, or do you know of anything in the Patriot Act?
	Of course, you've got to put your money somewhere, and I'd rather have it in gold, but
	Who's to say they're not going to end the Patriot Act?
	It doesn't say somewhere where if you don't go, you're done.
	Well, sir, executive orders say they can take your life, take your labor, take your money, take your gold, take your children, take your car, take your husband, take your wife.
	I mean, yeah, there's no limit.
	Tyranny will stop where you start resisting it, as the Founding Fathers said.
	So there's no end.
	Thanks for the call.
	I appreciate it.
	Let's go ahead and take another call.
	Let's talk to John in Texas.
	John, go ahead.
	Alex, I feel like you're my brother, and Bob, I feel like you're my uncle.
	I love you guys, and I appreciate the efforts you do on my behalf.
	What I'd like to say is, earlier you had a guy talking about gun control.
	I remember the lady in England, when the livestock got sick and they were killing them all, she said, we didn't even have a shotgun to defend ourselves or to defend our property.
	Hey, it's real simple.
	A Roman slave 2,000 years ago couldn't own a gun, and a black slave 170 years ago couldn't own a gun.
	Hitler was for gun control.
	It isn't very hard to figure out.
	Bob?
	You're absolutely right.
	And once they come after them, you know you're going to have to use your assault weapons.
	One other comment, if I may.
	July the 4th is coming up.
	Does Bob see anything?
	In the way of military coup or any sources?
	Probably couldn't even talk about it.
	No, I don't see anything, but what we discussed earlier in the program and the CIA and the relationship with the Bush neocons, this could be a coup in the making with the exceedance of the powers behind the throne.
	And so something like that could happen this summer.
	It could happen over the 4th of July.
	Thank you.
	We're in very dangerous waters, folks.
	Thank you.
	All of this is very dangerous.
	Like Bob said, we don't know exactly what's going to happen, but it's bad.
	Dylan, go ahead.
	Dylan in Texas.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Thanks for being on Alex's show, Mr. Chapman.
	I really appreciate your input.
	As regards to that gentleman that called back, a few callers back, identified himself as...
	Left wing or whatever.
	Five years ago, I was staunch pro-choice, as they call it.
	But I'll tell you what, I never in this world possibly ever believed in gun control.
	That is some kind of fine line, and that's all I have to say.
	Okay, thank you for the call.
	Let's talk to Joe.
	Joe in Montana, go ahead.
	Hi, Alex.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Kevin's getting a lot of rhetoric here, and he should.
	I called to address the fact that if you're a true lover of truth and a real conservative in what I term the old conservative true values that love what America was founded on, you can never align yourself with people like Kevin and their agendas.
	They will exploit you to their own agendas if you do.
	And they will take away your rights, ultimately.
	That's what will happen.
	You can never align yourself with people like that.
	Well, you know, that's what I was trying to explain to him.
	I tell you what, stay there, Joe.
	We'll go to you and a few others, and we'll cover some news with Bob Chapman.
	Stay with us.
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	Bob, how important is the false left-right system in keeping the population corralled to the point that they never find any real solutions?
	Well, it's called misdirection and it's just circular in motion.
	And they just keep people confused all the time, and that's why a video like yours is so important, particularly for the people who understand.
	They can pass that on to other people so that the truth can get out.
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	We're about to go back and take a few final calls.
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	Joe, your point about how we were talking to Kevin earlier, and he just, not the last Kevin, but the Kevin before last, saying, you know, I'm for gun control, but I know there's this elite and all this.
	I mean, it's just so foolish.
	You were trying to finish up your point.
	Go ahead.
	Well, you know, I think they make a lot of ground, and I think like their protest in Seattle and that, a lot of good, really true conservative people joined in that.
	And you're exploited when you do that.
	You have no common ground with these kinds of people.
	You have none with the Bushites, and you have none with the leftist Kevins.
	And they'll make you think that they do, but when you join them, if you march with them or protest with them, you're being exploited.
	And their ultimate agenda is to destroy your rights.
	If you want to march, if you want to protest, you must do it yourself or put your own truly conservative, honest group together and do it.
	But never, never, never align yourself with those kind of people.
	All right.
	Well, I mean, I certainly agree with you that you cannot be compromised or sucked into that.
	I like to go in and deprogram these people.
	Well, I think you can do that, Alex.
	But I just feel bad to see what's going on today, that there are a lot of people who really don't like Bush, and they're being exploited by the left now.
	And I think that's what Kevin's call is all about.
	Yeah.
	Thanks for the call.
	I appreciate it.
	Let's go ahead and take another call.
	Let's talk to I guess up next here is Chardles in Rhode Island.
	Go ahead, sir.
	Hi, Alex.
	Mr. Chapman.
	Listen, I'm 53 years old.
	I'd like to tell you about my experience in the draft.
	I was drafted for three hours on September 12, 1971.
	I had three separate physicals and three separate psychologicals before my final physical that day.
	And the reason that they I went right up to the point where
	They were going to swear me in.
	The reason that they pulled me to the side, away from the group, and told me that there was a problem with me.
	I said, what's the problem?
	They said, you don't have a Social Security number.
	I said, that's right.
	It's a voluntary program.
	My grandfather told me by the time I got to be his age, there wasn't going to be any money in there.
	The government would successfully steal it.
	So that was back in the days when you had to go voluntarily get a Social Security number.
	So basically, if you don't get the Social Security number, you can't be drafted is what I'm telling you.
	Wow, that's an interesting point, Bob.
	I heard that before.
	I haven't seen it tested.
	And there are an awful lot of people who write to me to tell me they don't have a number and they won't have a number.
	And they've gotten away with having their children without numbers also.
	Well, I basically told them that you guys got housing, you got clothing, and you got food.
	I'll work for nothing.
	I'll find my own money.
	And the Sergeant walked in, got a captain, came back, came with a captain.
	I explained that to the captain.
	The smoke coming out of their ears, as I'm telling this.
	And two weeks later, I got reclassified from 1A to 4F.
	And, you know, I've existed my whole life to date with no social security number.
	You know, I'm in the junk ad business, so, you know, the government's not going to take over that business.
	Yeah.
	So, basically...
	Well, it is their slave identification number, and they said that, oh, it's just for the program, and there's a law they're not supposed to use it as a personal ID, but then they'll demand it from you.
	Thanks for the call.
	Let's go ahead and talk to Joe in Maryland, where Homeland Security is taking control of all the cameras.
	Go ahead, Joe.
	Hey, Alex.
	I love your show, man.
	I got turned on to your website from the Sacred Cow site.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	Yeah, and I can't wait for the drug war documentary either.
	But I wanted to say this morning after the... Your phone's cutting out, sir.
	All right.
	Can you hear me now?
	Are you on a cordless...
	No, sir.
	I just want to make this quick point.
	On this radio show, they were discussing how many cameras are going to come into Baltimore, and they actually wanted callers to call in and pick good areas for cameras where they think the highest crime is.
	And that's the Delphi method to make people feel like they're part of the power process.
	This is WBAL, and that's why I figured you were calling about this.
	I just guessed it.
	WBAL-TV, Baltimore, set for 24-hour Homeland Security surveillance.
	Local and state Homeland Security authorities are beginning to build a regional network.
	New York's going to spend a billion dollars on it of 24-hour surveillance cameras that will go live this summer in Baltimore.
	They're already live.
	And expand through the area.
	The closed-circuit video surveillance system of public areas will begin in the Inner Harbor by the end of the summer.
	And it's by a federal grant accepted by the city Wednesday.
	We'll expand the cameras into downtown's west side by early November.
	Folks, I read articles every two days where the highway cameras, the neighborhood cameras, the Austin cameras, the microphones are under Homeland Security control.
	They're running them through face scanning software.
	Bob Chapman comments.
	Well, I think it's something that's been evolving.
	I know that in England...
	Thank you.
	The United Kingdom.
	So I would think, along with the visual spying, as we call it, you can expect they're going to try to introduce a card also.
	Well, on top of that, we already have a national ID card by Fiat.
	And a few months ago, the Supreme Court said, if you're walking down the street or on your own property, you've got to show them an ID.
	You've got to answer their questions.
	So there goes the Fifth Amendment.
	That's right.
	Just amazing.
	Anything else, Joe?
	Well, no, I just thought it was really interesting how they wanted the audience participation to discuss good areas.
	They were talking about these crimes that have happened in the past.
	Oh, they could have been averted via the cameras.
	It's amazing.
	And then now Homeland Security says they're going to fight terror and crime because crime aids terrorists.
	So we all don't have our liberties under criminal investigations because crime is terror.
	Section 802 of H.R.
	3162, known as the USA Patriot Act, passed October 27, 2001.
	Thanks for the call.
	One last call and then that's going to be it.
	We're going to finish up with our great guest, Mike in Honolulu, Hawaii.
	Go ahead.
	Hey, aloha, Alex.
	Real quick, I was going to ask your guest, what is his analysis on the mood of the military?
	Some people say, yeah, the military is getting upset and they're going to maybe do a coup.
	Others say, no, that could never happen.
	I'd like to hear what Robert thinks of the status of the military.
	Well, I think Don Grande covered that fully here on this program some time ago, and I've been recommending his book.
	But I think that possibility strongly exists.
	And I think there is a group within the military, if things go too far, that they might just do that.
	And it could be the only thing that can save us.
	But it's a distinct possibility.
	Very good, thanks.
	I appreciate it, but also it could be the higher-up globalists using that as a way to bring in the military dictatorship.
	Again, you won't know until it happens, and you're going to have to guess.
	But bottom line, it's all very dangerous, folks.
	All right, thank you for the call from Hawaii.
	Bob Chapman, we've got a few minutes left here.
	I've got some news I wanted to go over with you, but...
	The troops have died by the thousands now, 900 in Iraq, more than that in Afghanistan.
	They're trying to cover up those numbers, but those are now out there.
	The neocons said they're going to hit 60-plus other countries.
	Is that program stalled, or will they just carry out another terror attack to get the people behind these invasions of other nations?
	Well, I think on the figures, they're not counting the mercenaries, and they've lost as many people as the military has, so you can double those figures.
	As far as the program and whether they're going to continue this perpetual war for perpetual peace thing, it all depends on how things come down with Bush and the investigation and the evolution of whether they attempt to impeach him or not.
	Again, it's really up in the air.
	If Bush stays in, we'll continue.
	To get the program that we've been getting.
	If he goes out, we may get the same program.
	It depends upon who goes into office.
	There's just so many ifs in here.
	We have five months of confusion, even for those of us who are in the intelligence business.
	Boy, I tell you, it is an interesting time to be alive, as the Chinese say.
	A blessing and a curse at the same time, but doing radio interviews, talking to people on your website, traveling around the globe.
	Bob, are you seeing the same huge awakening that I'm witnessing?
	Yes, I am, and I'm seeing it coming more from the left than anything else.
	In fact, almost half of the inquiries that I get from people who identify themselves as liberals or people who are left of center politically
	And I think that's really good.
	Like the gentleman from Boston said, you know, don't steer them away.
	Let them learn and understand and come in our direction.
	Very important.
	Well, exactly.
	I'm not going to be co-opted, and I'm not trying to co-opt them, but I want them to wake up and stop being so naive and realize that their whole leftist worldview was created by the same people that run Bush.
	And they better... And I'm trying to get into their head.
	It really is difficult.
	I mean, it's a scam.
	It's a rigged game, folks.
	This is for big stakes.
	This is for the whole globe.
	And the globalists infiltrate, try to infiltrate anything of any real size.
	And your Democrats, I mean, are all voting with Bush.
	Just the rhetoric's different.
	Bob Chapman, I want to thank you for coming on the broadcast and look forward to having you back on in the near future, my friend.
	Well, thank you very much.
	You've got a wonderful program, Alex.
	Well, thank you, Bob.
	Take care.
	Alright, final segment straight ahead.
	I'm going to hit a few final news articles here and
	Got to tell you where I think things are going through this fog.
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	And if you have a big government that violates your rights, no matter who's in office, you're going to have despotism, tyranny, serfdom, enslavement.
	And I'm very suspicious about any discussion of military coups.
	The military's all a bunch of CFR at the top.
	A lot of well-meaning people throughout the main body, though.
	And I see this coming from so many different quarters.
	If the globalists do pull something like that, it's just to put in a UN government.
	Bush is a puppet.
	Cheney's a puppet.
	They're all puppets of a larger financial interest.
	They would love, though, to burn them politically and say, oh, they did all this.
	They took over Iraq.
	They did all this evil militarism.
	See, the UN's going to be the answer to the problems.
	They're going to save us.
	And suddenly you'll see the so-called left, the leaders of it, shift and go, oh, yeah, the new rule is good.
	Secret arrest is good.
	If it's of the evil right-wingers.
	So, I mean...
	I don't think the globalists know exactly what they're going to do right now, because a lot of things haven't gone according to plan, and there is an awakening taking place, and they know that's happening.
	So they have the question, the quandary.
	As you say, the Hobbes' choice, should they go ahead with more terror attacks to scare us into submission?
	Will we buy that?
	Will that cause more resistance?
	Have they bitten off more than they can chew?
	Should they back off and just let the status quo continue?
	The point is, they're putting in this massive control grid all around us.
	They're training us that secret arrest and torture and military on the streets is a good thing.
	They're telling us martial law is a good thing.
	Big Brother's here to help.
	All the definitions are being changed.
	Our free society's being erased.
	And Democrats and Republicans together, greedily, at the international, federal, state, local level, are working together to do it.
	So we better make freedom the number one issue.
	And look at our liberties.
	And look at how they're being dismantled.
	And tell the government, we're not your property.
	We're not going to go along with your unjust laws.
	We're not going to sanction your criminality.
	How dare Bush has people come out and say, he's allowed to torture, he's above the law.
	Then I look at this article out of MSNBC like it's a good thing that country radio stations won't play all these big artists if they're anti-war or even slightly asking questions.
	We're talking about Willie Nelson, which they still air, Toby Keith, you know, and Daryl Worley and people like that, Charlie Daniels, all love the war.
	And they get played ad nauseum.
	But Merle Haggard and Nancy Griffin and Willie Nelson and others...
	People want to hear those songs, but they're not airing it.
	I mean, that's Nazism, folks.
	Oh, we're not going to play... Right after 9-11, they wouldn't play songs that talked about peace.
	Or love.
	I mean, it's crafting.
	It's manipulation of our minds.
	Look at this.
	ABC News.
	G8 seeks to help create world peacekeeper force.
	You mean world imperial force.
	That's what the G8 industrialized nations met under martial law in Georgia to set up yesterday.
	Another one.
	G8 approves tighter airport security for all air travel worldwide.
	See?
	Global biometrics.
	Global ID cards.
	It's amazing.
	They've caught the EU cheating in elections over in the Euro.
	Bush's approval ratings are plunging now to almost below 40%, which is very scary because that's when they like to carry out terror attacks.
	Voters shift in favor of Kerry.
	Taking the false choice will save them.
	Meanwhile, CNN reports cigars cost men three years in prison trying to smuggle in Cuban cigars.
	I mean, that should not be illegal.
	Court upholds Bible class ban.
	And I can't even have it as a piece of literature in the public schools, but you can have all the other occult stuff.
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