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	Big Brother.
	Mainstream media.
	Government cover-ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	Welcome, my friends, to another live edition of the Alex Jones Show.
	It is Tuesday, the third day of February 2004.
	We'll be live for the next three hours.
	Coming up in about 30 minutes, we're going to have Dr. John Breeding, Ph.D., on
	To discuss this headline story from CNN and the Washington Post, FDA links antidepressants to youth suicide risk.
	Now, when Prozac was approved in 1983, the trials showed a massive increase in suicide in those taking it.
	The numbers go up even higher when adolescents or children are given it.
	Hundreds of thousands of children, tens of millions of adults are on these Prozac-type drugs.
	It's a whole class known as psychotropics.
	We're good to go.
	The British government is calling for a department of pre-crime, arresting you secretly, putting you in a camp secretly, if they think you might commit a crime, and that's causing a lot of people to wake up in England.
	They've already passed similar laws in this country as well.
	We're good to go.
	TiVo sets are that new system that came out in the last few years where you can pause, rewind, fast-forward events as they're happening.
	And just here they are admitting that they're tracking what you watch and what you do.
	Talk about 1984.
	We also have more news where they're announcing their new world order.
	The dollar has plunged even further today after they found Ryosin, a chemical, a naturally occurring chemical weapon or something that can be used as a chemical weapon in three different government office buildings.
	I will simply point back to the fact that we know the U.S.
	government launched the anthrax attacks after 9-11 in 2001 to heighten the fear.
	We'll go back over
	We're good to go.
	I think?
	And said that it had as great an effect on him as the birth of his children and getting married to his wife and everyone I talked to.
	Everyone I talk to who's seen this film, the film critics here in Austin that saw it when Mel Gibson came to town and showed it at the Alamo Draft House, to Mel Gibson's father, Hutton Gibson, who by the way is coming on tomorrow, to just you name it, says that it is the most powerful film they have ever seen.
	By the way, Hutton Gibson's coming on tomorrow to talk about his speech he gave to American Free Press about secession from the Union as well as the national draft, what's happening in Iraq and a lot more.
	And Hutton Gibson is a very intelligent, interesting individual, so you don't want to miss that tomorrow on the show.
	So when we get back, I'm going to read part of this Paul Harvey commentary.
	About the passion.
	Then I'll get into all the news I mentioned and a lot more.
	Websites are infowars.com and prisonplanet.com.
	Stay with us.
	We'll be right back.
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	He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	All right, my friends, it is Tuesday, again the third day of February, and
	2004, hard to believe we're already well into the second month of this new year.
	Coming up, Blunkett to enact pre-crime terror law.
	Home Secretary David Blunkett today unveiled far-reaching and controversial plans to tighten Britain's anti-terror laws.
	He wants terror suspects to go to jail in secret, lower the burden of proof, and bring in pre-emptive, that's his quote, charges before a crime is actually committed.
	So, guilty before proven innocent, secret arrest, you name it.
	And I've got more articles here where world leaders are calling for a new world order, where they're enacting pre-crime type laws here in this nation as well.
	We'll also get into the Ryerson attacks that the government's now reporting on Washington, Ryerson and actually occurring.
	We're good to go.
	We're good to go.
	Because I haven't seen The Passion of Christ.
	I'll see it when it comes out in theaters.
	But again, everybody I've talked to says that it changed their lives, that it's an amazing film.
	And it is as it was, as Pope John Paul said.
	And again, folks, I'm not here supporting Pope John Paul.
	He called for a New World Order three weeks ago.
	The point I'm making is that Billy Graham, the Pope, everybody sees this and says it is as it was.
	Because it's simply historical right out of the Bible.
	But it's gotten attacked massively all over the so-called mainstream media, but it's backfiring on them because whether it's conservatives or liberals or Catholics or Protestants who see this film, they're saying it's the most powerful film they've ever seen.
	And this is what Paul Harvey had to say about it.
	I'm just going to read part of this because it's long.
	I'm going to read the first two pages.
	Paul Harvey comments on The Passion by Mel Gibson.
	The majority of the media are complaining about this movie.
	Now Paul Harvey tells the rest of the story, and David Limbaugh praises Gibson, most people who wait and see a movie before giving the reviews that have been issued by the reporters trying to tell all of us what to believe.
	The folks are waiting to see it for themselves, and when they do, they agree with Gibson.
	Paul Harvey's words...
	I really did not know what to expect.
	I was thrilled to have been invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film, The Passion.
	But I had also read all the cautious articles and spin.
	I grew up in a Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to the influence.
	I have a long life, deeply held aversion to anything that might even indirectly encourage any form of anti-Semitism.
	In thought, language, or actions.
	We're good to go.
	The way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the cross until the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie, it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced, Paul Harvey wrote.
	In addition to being a masterpiece of filmmaking and an artistic triumph, the passion evoked more deep reflection, sorrow, and emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding,
	We're good to go.
	We're good to go.
	That I have been glad handling before the film was now eerily silent.
	No one could speak because words were woefully inadequate.
	We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life.
	The kind that makes heaven touch earth.
	Did you hear that?
	It makes heaven touch earth.
	This is what uplifting art is.
	One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind.
	A brutalized, wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross.
	His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa.
	As she ran to him, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child falling in the dirt road outside of their home.
	Just as she reached to protect him from the fall, she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face.
	Jesus looked at her with intensity, intense probing, and passionately loving eyes, and at all of us through the screen, and said, Behold, I make all things new.
	These are the words that take from the last book of the New Testament, the book of Revelations.
	Suddenly the purpose of the pain was so clear, and the wounds that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in his face, his back, indeed all over his body, became visible.
	Intensely beautiful.
	They had been born voluntarily for love.
	At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover, a question, an answer period ensued.
	The unanimous praise for the film from a rather diverse crowd was an astounding and to the compliments were effusive.
	The questions include the one question that seems to follow this film even though it has not yet even been released.
	Why is this film considered by some to be anti-Semitic?
	Frankly, having now experienced, you do not know until you view this film, the passion is it is a question that is impossible to answer.
	A law professor whom I admire sat in front of me.
	He raised his hand and responded, quote, after watching this film, I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus.
	It doesn't, he continued.
	It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus.
	I agree.
	This is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film.
	If there were, I would be among the first to decry it.
	And he goes on to say, It tells the gospel story in a dramatically beautiful, sensitive, and profoundly engaging way.
	Those who are angling otherwise have either not seen the film or have another agenda behind their protestations.
	This is not a Christian film.
	It is a sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ.
	We're good to go.
	If that is no longer acceptable behavior, then we are all in trouble.
	History demands that we remain faithful to the story, and Christians have a right to tell it.
	After all, we believe that it is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for all men and women, the greatest right is the right to hear the truth.
	So, again, I'm not a newsreader, folks, but that was Alex Jones babbling through the eloquent words of Paul Harvey.
	And I've talked to local film critics that went and saw it when Mel Gibson was here in Austin.
	They were stunned by it.
	And it's not in English, folks.
	It's in Hebrew and Aramaic and Roman.
	And I can't wait to see it.
	It's coming out in late February.
	In fact, I don't have the release date in front of me.
	I believe it's released the 23rd or the 24th.
	Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it's coming out in just a couple weeks.
	Believe me, I will be there right after I get off this show at 2 o'clock.
	I'm going to go see a 3 o'clock or 4 o'clock showing of it with my wife.
	I will give you my report at that time.
	From reading descriptions of it, all it does is expose the Pharisees
	Who wanted to kill Jesus because he was standing up against their corruption.
	And look at the corruption of the church today.
	Look what's happened to the church today.
	How wicked it is, both Protestant and Catholic, how it's been infiltrated and controlled by the New World Order.
	And so we face the Pharisees today.
	Whether they're Jewish or German or Chinese, we face evil people that are pushing their own agenda, seeking to replace Christianity with their New World Order neo-paganism.
	And so understand, folks, we are in a culture war
	We are in a battle for Western civilization and Christendom that is being destroyed.
	And those of you out there that are against Christianity understand it is being replaced by the Satanism, by the Luciferianism of Skull and Bones, of the Bohemian Grove.
	Turn on the television.
	You can't miss the occultism being promoted across the board.
	Now, by the way, coming up tomorrow, we have Hutton Gibson on the show in the second hour of the broadcast, and he is quite a historian, very well read.
	I mean, he's the national champion of Jeopardy!
	He's going to be talking about secession and how that's constitutional, how that's a good thing.
	And I agree, some of the states should break off just to send a message and educate people about this new world order.
	He'll also be coming on to talk about the National Draft and the Iraq War and a lot more tomorrow.
	We've got Dr. John Breeding, Ph.D., coming on to talk about Prozac causing the children to commit suicide.
	When we get back, we're going to do a bunch of other key news items.
	The plunging dollar, the Ryerson attacks, you name it.
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	I have just one or two more comments about The Passion of Christ, produced, directed by Mel Gibson.
	And that is simply that this shows how sick our society's gotten, that you can have Janet Jackson dancing around naked at 8 o'clock at night in front of the children of America.
	You can have cuss words and all of this stuff on mainstream television.
	And then somebody like Mel Gibson makes an uplifting historical film out of his own pocket.
	And everyone who sees it is deeply touched by it, and it's being demonized and attacked by the mainstream media.
	And as Paul Harvey said, if this film's bad and we can't tell this story, we're in a lot of trouble.
	We're in a lot of trouble.
	We have a lot of attempted censorship and blackballing going on in the media.
	They won't even let MoveOn.org air their TV out on CBS, which is tame stuff.
	So we have censorship across the political spectrum.
	But I'm telling you, it's backfiring because people are starting to value alternative information.
	They're starting to research history for themselves.
	And God bless Mel Gibson for his work.
	And I hope we all pray that this film is wildly successful, and I think it will be.
	And I know I'm going to be here promoting it.
	Okay, gosh, there is so much here.
	I mean, how could I ever cover it all?
	Ryerson Discovery closes three Senate office buildings, Associated Press.
	Three Senate office buildings were closed today after a suspicious white powder, apparently delivered through the mail system, was found in the Senate Majority Leader's office.
	Officials said preliminary tests, but not all of them were positive for Ryerson, a deadly poison.
	Now, we don't know what's going to happen, but there have been hundreds of cases where they find white powder, which I think is anthrax or ryosin, and in every case before 2001, it was not positive.
	In 2001, they did find positive, and people did die for anthrax.
	So we don't even know if this is going to turn out to be ryosin.
	They're claiming it's ryosin, but they say some of the tests show that it's not ryosin.
	Now, going back to the anthrax attacks, Bush's White House press secretary admitted in a press conference that the White House cabinet was on Cipro, the anthrax-fighting antibiotic, on September 10th.
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	The Russians couldn't even figure out how to do this.
	And suddenly this stuff gets mailed out to a bunch of Bush enemies.
	And he's on Cipro.
	And then we go back to the companies, the congressional funding in 99 for a CIA program to mail weaponized anthrax through the mail.
	Then you have White House cabinet officials involved with the big drug companies that sell the drugs that treat the anthrax, who then saw their stock skyrocket as well.
	And because of this, the dollar has dropped even more.
	It's dropped by 42% in the last year and a half.
	Now it's dropped even more.
	Dollar drops against Euro after poison found in Frist's office.
	Bloomberg Financial, the dollar weakened against the Euro in London after police said the poison Ryerson was found in Washington offices of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, raising concern about terrorism against the U.S.,
	Now, you notice in the AP, they say some of the tests say it's not Ryerson.
	Some of the tests say it is.
	Bloomberg says it is.
	It will make the market more cautious towards the dollar, said Frank Dong, chief strategist at Hong Kong, a Bank of America corp.
	who used to work at the Federal Reserve.
	The U.S.
	has been warning recently about possible terrorist attack.
	Powder found in Frist mailroom in Driskin Senate office building tested positive for Ryerson.
	U.S.
	Capitol Police said first Republican from Tennessee, so the powder may have been inhaled by people who came in contact with it.
	And the dollar dropped to $124.68 in London from $124.42 to $4 in yesterday, New York versus the Yen.
	The dollar traded near a three-year low.
	At $1.5.54 from $1.562, so that's another serious drop from $1.23 to $1.29 in the next month, said Bank of America.
	They're thinking they'll see an even bigger drop.
	And the average American has no idea what this means to have a weak dollar.
	It's not good.
	But again, the average person has no idea.
	Here's a clue.
	Remember making fun of Mexico because their peso was worthless?
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	We're on the way to that.
	All right, we'll come back and get into what's happening with the children and the drugging and how it's making them commit suicide.
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	Colonel Craig Roberts, Army Intelligence, Marine Corps sniper in Vietnam, expert on the New World Order, will be joining us to talk about some of the new revelations concerning a videotape that Congress was supposed to have
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	This is a story out of the Washington Post today.
	FDA links antidepressants to youth suicide risk.
	Now, in the early 80s, it came out in the Prozac trials that it just doesn't cause children, but also adults, a massive increase in suicide.
	People are in a mesmerized, delusional state.
	Women will dance naked on rooftops.
	They may get happy.
	They may get sad.
	They may commit suicide.
	Men do it.
	It puts you into a mesmerized state.
	Federal regulators said for the first time yesterday that clinical trials of popular antidepressants such as Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft show a greater risk of suicide among children taking the drugs compared with those taking dummy pills.
	That's not true.
	We have 20-year-old studies, 22-year-old now, since 1981, it was approved in 83, showing this.
	Although only one of these drugs has been approved for the treatment of children with depression, doctors are prescribing them to hundreds of thousands of American children each year.
	Joining us is Dr. John Breeding, Ph.D.,
	Author of The Wildest Colts Make the Best Horses, about drugging children with Ritalin, and workshops Dr. Breeding offers.
	We have all that posted on InfoWars.com.
	I've been interviewing several times over the last six years.
	Dr. Breeding, good to have you back on the show.
	Good to be here, Mr. Jones.
	Thanks for having me on again.
	I was happy you called this morning.
	Good, you're on top of that story with the FDA that's happening this week.
	Well, you heard me go with the fact that they're lying.
	These aren't the first studies.
	Can you tell us about it, sir?
	Yeah, basically, you know, Prozac was the mother drug, and since then there's a whole handful of related ones that are so-called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs, but it's Prozac, Paxil, Luvox, Effexor,
	There's three or four others.
	As you said, they started coming on in the early 80s and then just expanded from there.
	What's been revealed, we've been trying to reveal this for a long time, just like a lot of the things that you're trying to reveal, Alex.
	It's a real fight.
	Fortunately, in this case, recently we got some help from Great Britain.
	The equivalent of the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration here, there is called the Committee for the Study of Medicines.
	Recently, they basically put a ban on all the SSRIs for children.
	Why did they do this?
	Because they had a panel, thanks to some activist people over there, and started looking into these drugs.
	Then they discovered that
	Over half of the people on the panel were doctors that were in the pay of the drug companies.
	Well, that's the point I was going to make.
	The FDA owns or is owned by Big Pharma.
	The European and British drug companies own their panels.
	That's been proven.
	How are we now seeing them being forced to admit the truth?
	Well, what happened was there was enough pressure on the people in Britain that they
	They disintegrated the panel and created a new panel of people who didn't have links to the drug companies.
	Out of that came a close look at the data, not only in the sense of the clinical data of incident after incident after incident of suicide or violent action on these drugs, but also they went back.
	I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Every mass shooter, and I'm not exaggerating, I've never seen a woman drown five of her kids or somebody go into school and shoot people or Malvo or Muhammad.
	Larry Ashbrook, Buford Furrow, Eric Harris and Clybold, they're always on these drugs.
	Almost every time they're on this class of drugs.
	And what came out of the situation in Britain was they
	They finally basically insisted that they'd be able to go back and look at all the so-called research data, which is mostly done by people in the pharmaceutical industry.
	But even that data, once they looked at it closely, they showed that the companies had deliberately suppressed the information that revealed that early on in these clinical trials there was always a certain percentage, anywhere from 4% to 12% of the participants in these studies
	That would become suicidal or psychotic and this was suppressed.
	So they revealed that and then they analyzed and they finally decided that these drugs were dangerous and the so-called risk-benefit ratio was greater toward the risk and so they basically banned the drugs for children.
	Yeah, I think so.
	We'll really confront this, but they're certainly getting more pressure on it than they ever have.
	Well, in fact, in the Washington Post article, it goes on with a family, a bunch of families who met.
	It says, Patients and impassioned families pleaded for more urgent action at a day-long meeting of an expert advisory panel yesterday.
	Dozens of parents, siblings, and doctors from all over the country gave lengthy speeches
	Yeah, and Glenn is on my board of Wildest Cults Resources, and
	He's a good friend of mine, and it's just a tragedy.
	What they figured out in retrospect was his daughter had a sleep disorder because of a sleep apnea condition, and it was not diagnosed.
	They put her on the psych drugs.
	It just exacerbated the problem, and she tragically hung herself in Cedar Park High School.
	He's going to be on your show later, I know, but not today.
	These kind of tragic stories, I've heard them from so many people.
	Well, we also have the statistics, but ten years ago, I had a girlfriend who was in a car wreck.
	She wasn't even hurt very bad.
	And she was a nice person.
	She goes to the hospital, goes back to the doctor.
	They recommend Prozac because her neck was hurt.
	Oh, this will make you feel better.
	Obviously, nothing to do with psychological problems.
	And she turned into a different person, got basically manic, happy or really sad.
	It caused psychological problems.
	I had to break up with her, not before I read the insert on the Prozac prescription.
	And it was listed basically as a cross between a hallucinogen and an amphetamine.
	What exactly do these drugs really do?
	Well, they're called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, but the selective part is about like the idea of a smart bomb, you know, that you can send a bomb in an area and pick out the people you're going to kill and not kill the other people.
	You know, it's like...
	The knowledge about the complexity of the electrochemical functions in the brain and the nervous system and all through the body at this point is like caveman level of information, but it's presented to the public as if we really know this and this is precisely how it works.
	It's not true.
	The basic effects profile, you used the word, is amphetamine with the drugs.
	That's the basic effects profile, and the real dynamic that seems to send people into psychosis
	We call it ream sleep behavioral disorder or whatever, but basically it's the idea that the amphetamine effect kicks in the so-called fight or flight hormones.
	You get the cortisol and adrenaline and it gives you a lift for a while, but then at some point your organ systems get depleted.
	For some people it's very quickly, but it starts interfering with sleep.
	You get sleep disruption.
	You become sleep deprived, particularly the ream sleep or deep sleep.
	I think so.
	I don't know what happened.
	I can't believe I did it.
	I was in a fog.
	Doctor, you've got a Ph.D.
	in psychology from the University of Texas, but I've also talked to other medical doctors, and this is the classic thing that speed freaks do.
	Because it is a classic speed effect.
	It's an amphetamine effect.
	Yeah, exactly.
	We talk about the fact that, for example, just on Ritalin for a second, Ritalin, which is methylphenidate, if you take methylphenidate,
	You take methamphetamine, which is crystal speed, or you take cocaine.
	Cocaine is illegal.
	Methamphetamine is illegal.
	But Ritalin is a quote of medicine that's given to millions of school-age children.
	Now, doctors, yes, over 6 million, they also admit that... But the drug effect is identical.
	If you take the same dose in the same form, you can't tell the difference.
	And whether you call it Prozac and it's a medicine, or amphetamine and it's an illicit drug sold on the street...
	You run into the same kinds of problems.
	And again, this is hidden in plain view.
	Right out in the open, in front of everyone, tens of millions of adults are on these drugs.
	Millions and millions and millions.
	I've seen the number of six million children are on these.
	Hundreds of thousands now on the Prozac type drugs.
	Six million on the Ritalin type drugs.
	And that's year by year.
	I mean, this is amazing.
	It causes heart palpitations, brain shrinkage, stunting of growth, all the classic stuff that speed does.
	We have the speed dealers now selling Ritalin instead of speed.
	I mean...
	How are they getting... Look, I have the studies from the early 80s on Prozac where they admit it was causing increased suicides.
	I mean, I covered this eight years ago.
	How did they ever get this approved when they knew what it was doing?
	Well, the real story is that the FDA is co-opted.
	But basically, to get a drug approved, all you have to do basically is create some kind of study that presumably shows that with some population...
	It's at least as effective as a placebo, or maybe slightly more effective on some kind of outcome measure, which in this case might be a self-report that I feel less depressed, and that it doesn't seem to kill a lot of people.
	That's about all it takes to get it approved by FDA.
	They don't even consider these other factors.
	Then what happens is you have the pharmaceutical industry, which is one of the most profitable industries in the world, as you know.
	And you start to see, you know, Prozac, for example, 45,000 or something like that adverse reaction reports to the FDA in the 1990s.
	I mean, it's like unbelievable more than any other drug in history.
	And that's maybe 1 to 10% of the actual incidents.
	Thousands of those are deaths.
	But the drug company, and a lot of them go to trial, so there's these trials, you know, people want to sue the companies.
	But the pharmaceutical industry has millions and millions and millions of dollars.
	And they have lobbyists, more than one lobbyist for every single member in the U.S.
	Congress.
	Also, they fund the states.
	They're some of the biggest lobbyists there.
	They also fund the election campaigns of judges.
	All that.
	President Bush was on the board.
	Senior Bush was on the board of Eli Lilly.
	His family...
	You know, is all connected with that whole history.
	By the way, they admit that most of the Bush family, and this is Parade Magazine, are on Prozac.
	Did you know that?
	Well, I was on a panel once with Neil Bush, and there was a situation with his son, and he was actually on our side in that incident because he had been really pressured by the schools to drug his kid.
	I'm not surprised.
	I have to tell you, I don't really know the inside story on that, what you just said.
	Well, it's incredible, Doctor.
	Here's the CNN headline.
	Adverse effects on children.
	And it says, urge warnings of kids, antidepressant risk.
	FDA hears debate on behalf of side effects of the drugs on youth.
	So they're having to admit some of this.
	They're having to admit some of it, but the basic trend, as you mentioned, is that in the last few years particularly,
	They've just been putting more and more children on these drugs, and it's just a tragedy, and that's what we're trying to stop.
	Well, doctor, let me give you an example.
	I go to the gym for about an hour a day, get on a stair stepper or an exercise bike for 30, 45 minutes, lift weights for maybe 20 minutes, and they've got TVs all over the gym where I work out.
	And all I see is Prozac ads and other psychotropic ads.
	I open magazines up when I'm on the stair stepper, and every magazine I see is filled with drug ads.
	I mean, it's just... I talked to a pharmacist for the Drug Enforcement Administration two or three years ago.
	Her name's Gretchen Feustner, and she's pretty helpful in terms of giving me data and stuff.
	She was telling me that, and I wrote an article about this, she said that up until about three years ago, there was this so-called gentleman's agreement between the drug companies and the DEA, which was basically that they wouldn't do direct marketing to consumers, particularly for the drugs for children, but that they would do all their marketing to doctors and to blah, blah, blah, you know.
	Yeah, I think so.
	You know, like you say, on TV and newspapers and magazines.
	It's just incredible.
	What we have is self-prescribing.
	They go, oh, I need that drug.
	It says, ask your doctor, is this drug right for you?
	That was the goal of that marketing on-spot, and unfortunately it's been kind of effective.
	A lot of people are pretty passive and pretty much at the effect of things that they see, and that's what's happening.
	With children specifically, just this huge...
	I tell you what, we've got a break, sir.
	We'll be right back.
	This is what drug pushers do in the schoolyard.
	Our government does it with these creatures.
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	And as he said, I'm going to have some of these families who are in the Washington Post on the show talking about the suicides of their children.
	And so you're in a car wreck, you've got a sleep disorder, anything.
	The answer is here, we'll put you on these drugs.
	My mother had terminal cancer last year, and she got a little depressed, understandably.
	And the oncologist gave her some samples of...
	I can't remember which one of these was, but it was one of the SSRIs.
	It might have been Zoloft or Effexor or something.
	Fortunately, I got wind of it and went up there and she was already having the immediate reactions of so-called akathisia, which is the most dangerous symptom.
	That's when you get this inner agitation and restlessness.
	It's an effect of the drugs and that's usually the precursor.
	Well a few final points.
	People I know that are on these, they stop, quote, working in a few months, and then people end up on three or four of these drugs.
	It takes more and more.
	That's what happens.
	You start getting sleep messed up, so then you start taking tranquilizers on top of it to balance it.
	I want to make just a couple of real quick points, if I could, Alex.
	Sure, go ahead.
	One is that the danger of the drugs is paramount, okay?
	But below that, the bigger, even bigger issue is basically the fraud.
	What people need to understand is that these drugs are not being prescribed for real diseases.
	People are told that they have a chemical imbalance or a brain disease, but there's no real evidence of it.
	Basically, there's just a report that I'm not feeling good or there's an opinion about your child that they're not behaving right.
	Then it's assumed and there's all this pseudoscience that's given out there that you have this
	But the truth is that there's no scientific evidence that really validates any problem routinely seen by psychiatrists as a real, quote, sort of biologically or genetically based mental illness.
	That's the underpinnings that really need to be challenged here.
	Doctor, we're going to have to have you back on the show for a full hour.
	Perhaps you can come on when the families come on the show.
	Okay, we'll try to arrange that.
	You bet.
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	I appreciate your helping us with it, Alex.
	Look forward to talking to you again soon.
	You bet.
	Okay, great.
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	The original study showed that.
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	I wanted to ask you about this white poison powder that has showed up and the anthrax scare of 2001.
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	From all the evidence, it's totally clear, and I get into this in my two 9-11 films and in my book.
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	We actually know the name of the individual who got in there and was dealing with the anthrax, and he was doing it under U.S.
	government control, so of course they won't go after him.
	Well, I wonder what they're trying to prove with this.
	Like in
	Well, what did the anthrax do?
	It created fear, kept the hysteria going.
	During the anthrax attacks when the Capitol was shut down, they passed Patriot Act I. It just creates a lot of hysteria and fear in Washington and scares the Congress into going along.
	Okay, and I was going to ask the tie-in with Oklahoma City...
	What they were trying to prove and what the next move is, is it just the bottom line to get the populace into tyranny and enslavement so that they can be pushed around at will?
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	Thank you, Alex.
	Yes, I'm calling about the antidepressant drugs.
	You see, I'm a distributor for an essential oil company, and we get these training tapes every month, and on one of them, there is a speaker, Ann Blakely.
	She spoke at one of their annual conferences, and she's an antidepressant drug activist, I guess, and she detailed about how they cause...
	What she called dissociative episodes.
	And in fact, she was a witness at trials for these drugs, including Columbine incident.
	And she talked about how one of the kids there, his records were sealed.
	They weren't even allowed to discuss what he was on.
	And, you know, these drugs are very bad news.
	Well, I mean, when I said that every case of a mother grounding her children or somebody walking into a Baptist church or Jewish center shooting people or Malvo and the other supposed sniper, Muhammad, in every case I've seen, they're on these drugs, on multiple drugs in many cases.
	And it puts you into a mesmerized, as you said, disassociative state
	Where you're sleepwalking around, and that's why women get very promiscuous on these drugs.
	They might be in a great mood, they might be in a bad mood.
	Men get the same way.
	People just drive off the edge of a bridge, just not paying attention.
	It totally puts you into a mind-control state.
	Great.
	Um...
	You know, she might make a good guest on your show one day.
	Yeah, I know who she is.
	I ought to have her on.
	I've had a lot of medical doctors and psychiatrists and psychologists on, and a lot of people are starting to wake up to this, Marcello.
	Would you like me to send you a copy of the tape?
	Yeah, that'd be wonderful.
	Sure.
	Thanks a lot for the call.
	I appreciate it.
	Kevin in Boston.
	Go ahead, Kevin.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Hi, Alex.
	I've got four of your movies.
	I just ordered Gulag USA.
	And painful deception, just so that when I'm showing people, I can... I was looking for something to go along with yours that is from a voice other than yours, and I'm looking forward to those.
	But comments on the Gibson film and Paul Harvey's comments you mentioned, that was wonderful, because I read that article as well, and I liked... Paul Harvey mentioned there's no way he's an anti-Semite.
	He said he, as a Christian, grew up in a Jewish neighborhood...
	And he said he developed a lot of his concepts of faith and his passion for faith through the neighborhood and his Jewish influence on him, and he says he loves the Jewish people, and he doesn't feel this film is of any way... Well, I've talked to a bunch of people who have seen The Passion, and they just can't figure out why the ADL and...
	And then Simon Wiesenthal Center and others are attacking it, and I'll tell you why.
	Same reason they're attacking getting the Ten Commandments out of Alabama, because the Pharisees...
	Broke with what Moses had taught, and went into captivity in Babylon, and they came out occultic.
	And so what Christians have done, and what Christ did, was go back.
	Actually, that's what Christ said, is I'm here to fulfill the commandments, fulfill the Old Testament, bringing that back.
	And he told the Pharisees, you're a bunch of devils.
	And so that's what the New World Order is.
	That's why evil people, regardless of what race they are, hate the Bible, hate the information there, and that's why they're attacking Mel Gibson.
	Look, the Simon Wiesenthal Center will endorse Arnold Schwarzenegger, an admitted hater of blacks, Jews, everybody else.
	And then, at the very same time, attack Mel Gibson.
	Look, they'll attack Steve Voss, who has songs about America coming together.
	Anything wholesome, anything good, they try to attack it.
	Anything that's truly Nazi-like, they defend.
	Well, they had that nice Super Bowl halftime show, which they'll defend.
	CBS will issue a statement.
	Denying that they had anything to do with it, even though they can prove that they did.
	MTV bragged days before that it was all staged.
	Then they tried to take it off their website.
	Absolutely.
	They had a caller just ask what reason for these ricin attacks, these anthrax attacks.
	And I know one of the things I read elsewhere is about these factions within the Illuminati.
	They have that agenda for globalism they're all pushing, but they're fighting for power amongst each other.
	And some of these hits are against each other.
	You know, they'll roll it out for the terror effects, but also to send a message and retaliate between, you know, whether it's the European bankers or whether it's the neocon, you know, totally Bush group only, you know, amongst themselves for whether it's going to be more Europe, more American business interests.
	And one thing that this group, talking about these factions, was opting for,
	They were saying Bush's space program announcement may be an opportunity for him to bring out some of their secret technology that the black budget have already developed.
	So it may not cost all that much money, but they just may pull out some of these
	Well, that's it.
	They already have the X-ray lasers and the nukes and the particle beams in space.
	They already have space planes.
	That's admitted.
	And exactly, they're going to get now $600 billion over the next 20 years for the new space program, and that's going to be used to be funneled into black budget projects.
	Thank you.
	Thanks for the call.
	Great points, Kevin.
	Let's talk to... Oh, who's up next here?
	Mike in Pittsburgh.
	Go ahead, Mike.
	Hey, how you doing, Alex?
	Good, my friend.
	Hey, I'm just a first-time caller.
	I just got online with the broadband, and I just wanted to call and thank you for everything you're doing here.
	My buddy turned me on to you, and ever since then, I've been trying to listen to you on them little shortwave radios, and they're just impossible to get it in.
	So I finally got online, and I'm just calling to say thanks.
	And also, I didn't get to hear too much about the John Kerry and the Skull and Bones.
	I just wanted to get over that real quick.
	Sure, thanks for the call, and it's good to have you on board, Mike.
	At Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, there's a banner there at Prison Planet that says, Skull and Bones Election.
	And it's got some really good London Guardian, excuse me, London Telegraph articles about John Kerry and Bush and the satanic rituals.
	And the devil worship and how the CIA is run by skull and bones and the presidency and how it's all completely staged.
	This election is staged, folks.
	We have, for the first time, two skull and bones members running against each other.
	I think we're good to go.
	Or John Forbes Cherry in the White House.
	And again, if things don't go right for the globalists, they've got their electronic voting machines put in that are admittedly run by the CIA.
	And we, of course, have some articles, now is as good a time as any, to cover these.
	Kerry calls on Bush to settle questions on military records.
	And this is out of the Associated Press.
	Democratic presidential frontrunner John F. Kerry, who has turned his decorated Vietnam War service into a theme of his campaign, said yesterday that President Bush and the U.S.
	military should settle questions raised recently by Kerry allies about whether Bush completed his military service requirements of the Texas Air National Guard in the 1970s.
	Well, at Infowars.com and ThePowerHour.com and others have it posted, we have the actual discharge documents, his service record.
	He went AWOL for two years, about a year and about 11 twelfths.
	I mean, it's almost two years.
	He washed up.
	He wouldn't take the drug test.
	He wouldn't take flight exams.
	Anybody else with a big court-martial?
	Okay, he was down there in the Caviar Silver Spoon Regiment in Houston.
	And so, Kerry doesn't need to ask the question.
	He knows, okay?
	Kerry leads Bush in new poll, CNN.
	Senator John Kerry, the frontrunner among Democrats, vying for their party's presidential nomination, leads President Bush in the head-to-head matchup, according to the CNN-USA Today Gallup poll, released Monday.
	Senator John Edwards of North Carolina and retired General Wesley Clark also emerged as formidable opponents, according to hypothetical matchups in the poll, which found a deadline.
	A decline in Bush's approval numbers.
	The poll based on interviews of 1,001 adult members of America included 562 likely voters, was conducted in the days after the New Hampshire primary.
	And they found that 53% say they'll vote for Kerry, 46% for Bush.
	Well, do what Bill Clinton did, Bush.
	Just blow up a federal building.
	Oh, you probably did.
	You were involved in that, too, weren't you?
	Your daddy.
	Running the CIA still to this day.
	But that's how it works.
	So be afraid, be very afraid.
	If Bush can stand on some smoking rubble and talk about how tough he is and tell us how he's going to get the bad guys on a bullhorn, we'll all learn to worship him again.
	Jack Brownrigg for Midas Resources.
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	Let's update.
	January of 2002 to January of 2004, the Dow was up a whopping 2.2%.
	The NASDAQ in that same time frame is flat.
	Two years ago, the U.S.
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	Today, the U.S.
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	Guess which one has gold backing?
	January of 2002, gold spot was 283.
	January of 2004, it's well over $400 at a 13-year high, up near 40%.
	Gold is moving.
	Equities are treading water.
	There's a little of the billions lost in market scandals.
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	All right, callers.
	John and Michael and Ralph and others, I'll have to get to you in the next segment because I need to get into some of this police state and New World Order news.
	Then we've got Colonel Roberts in the next hour to talk about these new developments concerning
	The ATF surveillance tapes, sting tapes of the Ryder truck going off and multiple individuals and how Congress has had a copy of this.
	So we'll get his take on what J.D.
	Cash was saying yesterday in the third hour.
	Continue with your calls.
	I remember five, six years ago warning people that the new digital cable boxes had microphones in them.
	I have the owner's manuals for these, by the way.
	And that they can listen to you and that they track everything you watch and build detailed psychological breakdowns on you.
	Every national commercial TV show has different psychological scores.
	Every part of the program has psychological scores.
	And off this, how long you watch, what you watch, they build the most detailed psychological pictures you can imagine on you.
	So Big Brother isn't just watching you physically.
	Big Brother is looking into your mind.
	And they can also use it audio-wise to listen to you.
	And last year, Television Week came out, big industry publication, and said, yeah, Homeland Security's listening to you over your cable boxes.
	And most satellite systems, you have a phone line so you can get pay-per-view hooked into the system that comes along with the satellite system.
	They're doing the same thing.
	I told you that OnStar is being used by Homeland Security and the FBI to listen to you.
	That's a cell phone in the car, and it listens to you.
	You can turn your car off and track you as well, and people didn't believe it, and now it's come out in the mainstream news, and a federal judge says they can't do it, but they don't care if they're continuing it.
	Well, I also have been told by cable operators that I know, because I have a lot of listeners that work for the cable and satellite companies, that TiVo, and TiVo's not the only one.
	There's lots of these systems that you can pause and rewind live television.
	Well, this is from a release by PR Newswire by TiVo.
	TiVos are very proud of themselves.
	This is what they have to say about it.
	Just plain as day, right out in the open, publicly admitting it.
	And again, in 1984, Winston is watched by the telescreens.
	It listens to him.
	In 1984, there's cameras in the bathrooms.
	Hundreds of school districts now have cameras in the bathrooms.
	State rest stops have cameras in the stalls.
	This is Associated Press.
	And it's totally normal and totally good.
	But they just arrested some pervert up in Round Rock who owned a gym who was videotaping women in the dressing room.
	The owner.
	And he's going to get 50-something years in prison, which is good.
	But see, it's bad when a pervert does it.
	When the government does it, it's good.
	You start to understand how this works.
	They put cameras in your 12-year-old daughter's showers at your middle school, and it's a good thing.
	That's, again, Associated Press.
	But it's bad when a pervert does it.
	No, the government's all a bunch of perverts who make me sick.
	It's bad when you do it, or bad when some pervert does it.
	And this is how they sneak it in.
	Somebody would read this article and wouldn't even get the import of it.
	Okay, this is PR Newswire, and this is put out by TiVo.
	Satellite interviews available with TiVo president to discuss Super Bowl highs, lows, whatever that means.
	So there's a TiVo president saying, hey, you want to have us on your national news show to talk about how wonderful this is?
	Have us on.
	So this is from them.
	Okay?
	From them.
	From them.
	PR Newswire.
	Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson topped the show during Sunday's Super Bowl, attracting almost twice as many viewers as the most thrilling moments on the field.
	According to an annual measurement of the second-by-second viewership in TiVo households, second-by-second tracking,
	The Jackson Timberlake moment drew the biggest spike in audience reaction Tevo has ever measured.
	Tevo said viewership spiked up 180% as hundreds of thousands of households used Tevo's unique capabilities to pause and replay live television to view the incident again and again.
	Overall, the halftime extravaganza and the powerful grip of the viewers, according to TiVo's analysis of aggregated data from the anonymous sample, notice they say anonymous.
	Oh, it's anonymous.
	Our computers all are sampling over your cable box what you're doing, but it's anonymous.
	No, it's not.
	Sample of 20,000 households' viewership of the game's intermission increased by 12% compared to last year's halftime show.
	So, the main article's, oh, everybody was wanting to see Janet Jackson over and over again.
	But the real story's buried there, that they're tracking what you're doing.
	Just another example.
	By the way, I was in the gym yesterday, picked up a fishing magazine, and wait until I hear, until I tell you what was in this.
	We're on the march.
	The Empire's on the run.
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	Last summer, we did some two-year comparisons between the equity markets and gold.
	Let's update.
	January of 2002 to January of 2004, the Dow was up a whopping 2.2%.
	The NASDAQ in that same time frame is flat.
	Two years ago, the U.S.
	dollar was worth 17% more than the euro.
	Today, the U.S.
	dollar is worth 28% less than the Euro.
	Guess which one has gold backing?
	January of 2002, gold spot was 283.
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	We're here live, folks.
	And I know we've got a bunch of callers that are patiently holding, and we'll get to those calls coming up here in just a few minutes.
	And do we have Debbie?
	Okay, well, will you get her for me?
	Thank you.
	Again, folks, I was going over TiVo, monitoring what you watch, how much you rewind live TV, what you're doing, what your viewing habits are, and then telling the world about it.
	And you have your digital cable boxes with the microphones in them.
	Admittedly, the government can tap right into it and listen to what's going on in your house.
	And the point is, they just announced this out in the open.
	And so I'm going to the gym yesterday, and I sit there on the exercise bike, and I go get a magazine off the rack, and it's Outdoor Life, November 2003 issue.
	And I turn to page 18, and it says, beep, beep, you're busted.
	And you guessed it, trackable microchips.
	We'll tell you about that coming up here in just a few minutes.
	After we get to some more of your calls and how that integrates in with this CNN Law Center article, Student Wins Battle Against Plagiarism Detection Requirement.
	Now understand, the headline has nothing to do with the bigger issues involved.
	You read into the meat of the article, all over the country, I remember hearing about this years ago, public school children from elementary right through 12th grade have to post into a government paid for indexed
	What they're writing, what they're doing, and then that's looked at by the government.
	And, quote, it's to detective your plagiarizing.
	No, they admit that they're wanting to know about mommy and daddy.
	They have, in most of the public schools, by the eighth grade, you write a journal on your parents and your life.
	And don't worry, it's your private journal.
	Your parents can't see you and can't see what you're writing, but it goes on this Internet database.
	And so that's right out in the open.
	I mean, this is light years worse than 1984.
	Why are we putting up with it?
	Let's go ahead and take some calls.
	John in Florida, thanks for holding.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, Alex.
	You know, I always applaud your programming and admire your Herculean strength.
	Yes.
	Ability to put out as much as you do, but I need to make a constructive criticism, so I hope you accept this.
	All morning you've been saying Ryerson.
	You are mispronouncing.
	The word is right-sin.
	You're putting an extra vowel in there after the I. Well, listen, I butcher words all the time.
	Okay, but I hear your audience also passing it on, so I just don't want to see misinformation.
	Well, I know I'm mispronouncing, and I have trouble pronouncing, and I have a problem with some words.
	I can read well, but sometimes I have trouble pronouncing.
	How do I pronounce it right again?
	R-I-C-I-N.
	R-I-C-I-N.
	You've been inserting an A after the I. Don't do that.
	R-I-C-I-N.
	Yes, sir.
	You're right.
	That is how you're supposed to pronounce it.
	Everybody's just going to pick it up and pass it around, and then they're going to be saying one thing where they're not really aware of what they're saying.
	Okay, well, thank you.
	Anything else?
	Can I just say something about the OnStar since you were talking about it?
	There's an ad going around now that I've heard, I think, on car radio.
	And of course, you know, these are all actors and actresses, people that are reading from script.
	I doubt that any of these are real incidents, but the latest one is a lady's gone to the restroom, and she drops her car keys in the commode, and she has to call OnStar because she's too afraid to stick her hand down in the commode.
	Well, that's the point.
	That's exactly what, and I've actually heard that.
	I mean, these ads are all over talk radio, all over normal radio, you know, regular music radio, and it's, you know, basically, will you hold my hand?
	How do I wipe my nose?
	Oh, I dropped them in the toilet bowl.
	What do I do?
	And so this is training us.
	We're the all-seeing, loving Big Brother.
	I see articles every week where Big Brother's helping.
	Big Brother wasn't so bad.
	Big Brother's going to look out for us.
	Well, thanks for hearing me on this.
	You bet.
	I really do appreciate that information from you.
	Yes, Ryerson, not Ryerson.
	I believe they call it Ryosin poisoning, though, for some reason.
	I know I've heard that term, Ryosin, on the news.
	Perhaps they're getting it wrong, but I believe it's called Ryosin poisoning, and Ryosin is the toxic chemical.
	But, again, folks, yes, I mispronounced it.
	You're correct.
	I do that all the time, by the way, quite a bit, especially when I'm reading Russian names or Chinese names.
	I apologize.
	Or Muslim names.
	Well, those are even harder.
	Let's go ahead now and talk to Michael in Kentucky.
	Michael, go ahead.
	Good to have you on with us, Michael, here on the show day.
	Okay, he's not on his radio.
	Ralph in Tennessee, go ahead.
	Hey, how you doing, Alex?
	Fine.
	I was just hearing earlier about they're talking about these mind control drugs.
	I have a wife that suffers illness, and I feel that these mind control drugs just worsen the mind instead of help it.
	Well, the psychotropics are a mixture of methamphetamine and basically LSD.
	Yeah, I know.
	I've studied them, sir.
	Last time my wife was in a facility in Chattanooga, I talked to the doctor there.
	It would be impossible for a woman with a chemical imbalance who has a mania problem at times to go into a schizoid problem.
	Like I say, most of these doctors need to realize all they're doing is they're pretty much burying themselves.
	Just burying themselves into...
	Well, what's happening, Ralph, is the industry of the big pharmacological military industrial complex owns much of the media, owns and funds the American Medical Association and others, and so they set the policies, and the doctors carry it out, and the globalists run these TV ads, call your doctor, demand Prozac, and so the doctors give the people what they want.
	So it's not just the doctors.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The companies, too.
	You rich men of the world.
	Well, it's more than that.
	The globalists print the money.
	This is about control, getting us all drugged, just like Brave New World.
	Oh, yeah.
	And according to Iron Mountain report, it's like they're going to make it where if you're not a citizen of the world and you're a normal person, you will be considered insane.
	And the ones that say that they're...
	World citizens who are insane, actually, will be considered sane.
	Absolutely.
	Thanks for the call.
	Look, the official Department of Education documents, the official Pentagon documents, this stuff's all public.
	They want to break the family up, dumb you down, get you on drugs.
	They've taken Brave New World in 1984 and meshed the two.
	By the way, Aldous Huxley, who wrote Brave New World, what, in 1934...
	He gave a speech in 1961 that we've aired in its entirety at Berkeley.
	He gave the speech just months before he died.
	And he said, look, I wrote this book because my brother was a top eugenics expert, later became the first Secretary General of UNESCO at the UN that Bush has signed back onto, by the way.
	We're good to go.
	We're good to go.
	Well, it just got here a little bit late, folks.
	So when you look at Brave New World with the cloning and the selecting babies and the womb and the eugenics and forced drugging and all of this and breaking up the family, when you look at 1984 with cameras in the bathrooms, 1984 begins with a black helicopter flying over the city.
	And looking through people's windows.
	Scanning through their walls.
	Now that's happening.
	Okay, so, you know, how did they, ooh, were they psychic?
	Ooh, you know, a book written in 34, a book written in 48.
	Because they were working for the New World Order!
	Huxley said this!
	Went public and was dead a few months later.
	Orwell died with strange circumstances.
	Okay, he was a top presenter and writer for BBC.
	None of this stuff's made up.
	This is their plan.
	He'd been in Soviet-controlled areas.
	He knew what they would do.
	This stuff's happened before, is what I'm trying to say.
	Before I go back to calls, Michael and John and others that are holding, toll-free number to join us, 1-800-259-9231.
	I read the article where your TiVo cable box is tracking and watching everything you do and reporting it back to the government.
	Well, I sit down at the exercise bike and pick up Outdoor Life, November 2003 issue, and I'm flipping through it, and I flip to page 18, and it says, beep, beep, you're busted.
	It's the size of a grain of rice, and once inserted into the fish, it's undetectable.
	But this tiny chip is the Florida Wildlife Conservation Commission's newest tool to combat poachers.
	Poachers use hidden traps with specially designed pop-up buoys.
	Once they get the fish on board, they claim the fish were caught in illegal areas.
	But FWC officers have become highly proficient at locating these traps.
	Once they do, they pull the traps and insert data chips into some of the illegally taken fish.
	The chip records the time, the GPS coordinates, and after that, all the officers have to do is to be at the fish house when the boat's unloaded.
	We're good to go.
	And it is about the size of a white grain of rice.
	Older generation, applied digital is much smaller now.
	They have even smaller chips.
	It's RFID.
	Satellite Track System.
	Walmart's already putting it in most of their products.
	It's going in everywhere else.
	It tracks it from the factory to the warehouse to the store to your house to the landfill with a record of how you bought it and what you did with it.
	And even if you try to pay cash...
	They are going to come in with a new national sales tax, which means you have to swipe your card at point of sale.
	That then is scanned onto all your items.
	This is the admitted federal plan I read years ago.
	I can't open up a magazine.
	I mean, I was reading this magazine, Outdoor Life.
	Deer Rifles, Week-by-Week Guide to Hunting the Rut.
	I stepped into a black bear's death trap.
	I'm thinking, man, I'm going to enjoy this.
	Kind of divert myself for a few minutes.
	There's Prozac ads running on the big TVs around me.
	Oprah Winfrey, you know, and that idiot Mari Povich breaking up people's families.
	Propaganda all around me.
	Teenage girls dressed like prostitutes working out everywhere.
	The whole breakdown of society.
	And I'm sitting here in this Orwellian Brave News system, and I just flip it open and beep, you're busted.
	Sounds great, doesn't it?
	I've got stacks of these today.
	Just stacks of them.
	Stacks and stacks and stacks and stacks of these articles.
	And student wins battle against plagiarism detection requirement.
	All over the country, I remember six, seven years ago, accelerated in the last two, I would see news articles, and I would talk to students how, for English class or history, they go to computer terminals, Al Gore's initiative.
	And they have to write their articles, even if they write them at home, they have to stick their disk in, and then it's loaded into the database, and, oh, we have an anti-plagiarism database.
	System that looks at it.
	And also, we read the articles.
	The principal does to make sure.
	Keyword.
	They can search thousands of articles in a second.
	If the word guns in there, you're arrested, kicked out of school.
	They say they want you to go to a psychiatrist.
	They tell you to write a fiction story.
	All my stories had guns in them, it seemed.
	You get kicked out of school.
	You've all heard the stories.
	Again, Brave New World, 1984.
	Everything your student's writing, being looked at by the government.
	That's the Soviet Union.
	After refusing to submit his classwork to a plagiarism detection website, a 19-year-old sophomore has become the first college student to challenge university policy on the issue and win.
	The Senate Committee of McGill University in Montreal
	It said last Tuesday that with sophomore Jesse Rosenfeld, who argued that he should not be required to submit his essays to TurnItIn.com, a website that verifies originality by comparing documents to thousands of others.
	This is Canada.
	And again, these are government fronts, folks.
	They have government sites that do this, too.
	Through the ruling was a boon to student organizations across Canada and the United States who have protested use of the plagiarism detection site.
	And it goes into how all over the Western world, high schools, colleges, whatever you write, goes into this.
	And they also have keyword software at the public schools where they look for words, guns or violence or drugs.
	See, now you can't write about drugs.
	You can't write about guns because we have a zero tolerance policy.
	You can't use the word gun.
	Training a whole generation.
	See?
	Look, in the lunchrooms they thumb scan in thousands of school districts to get their lunches.
	No cash allowed.
	Getting them into the database.
	A record of what you eat.
	CPS is called if your parents don't put the money in each month into the account.
	The children are... There's cameras everywhere.
	The doors automatically, magnetically lock inside the classrooms.
	There's cameras in the bathrooms.
	Cameras in the schools.
	Classrooms.
	There's police in black uniforms searching the children.
	Police dogs jumping on them, searching them, searching their vehicles.
	It's a prison!
	It's a prison!
	And what you write is looked at by the school administrators and passed on to the police!
	Everything is run through filter programs looking for keywords.
	Your cable box is watching you and listening to you and tracking you and your OnStar is listening to you and they're going around putting microchips in fish to track them.
	It's into everything, everywhere.
	Just chipping and chipping and chipping and chipping.
	Total control.
	Then I got articles here where they admit the new matrix system already in place in most states.
	It's not nine states or twenty states.
	It's echelon, folks.
	The word matrix is new, but not the program.
	That's how they confuse you.
	Divorce records, directory service, what phone numbers you called wanting, your phone records, your divorce records, how much money's in the bank, where you live, where you work.
	Everything about you.
	No more warrants, no more freedom, no more nothing.
	And it's to be used for all common crimes and
	Folks, it's worse than 1984.
	The control grid, the slavery is worse.
	It's just they're not running out and arresting everyone right now.
	They're doing it incrementally and assassinating patriot leaders.
	And grabbing their homes and sticking the IRS on them.
	Just trying to dumb you down to accept it.
	You turn television on, torture's good.
	Secret arrest is good.
	You know, they're just getting everybody ready for this, preparing you.
	But the good news is, people aren't buying it!
	I've never seen such an awakening to what these pieces of filth are doing!
	So I want you to wake up to the full horror, folks.
	We'll come back and we'll go to...
	We'll go to Michael and John and others.
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	Okay, my friends.
	Already into this third hour.
	It is the third day of February, 2004.
	Colonel Craig Roberts is coming up here in just a few minutes.
	We're going to get into the big revelations of the police.
	Rating a former congressional aide of James Traficant's office home looking for video that eyewitnesses say they've seen of a second bomb going off in Oklahoma City of other people involved.
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	He's a former member of Army Intelligence, a police detective who also investigated
	The Oklahoma City case, because this is all tied into 9-11 as well.
	Right now, let's go ahead and go to some calls.
	Let's go ahead and talk to Michael.
	Michael in Kentucky.
	Michael, thanks for holding.
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	Yeah, you kind of threw me off with this delay you got going there, but that avoids, if anybody's got the radio on, you don't get the echo effect anymore.
	Okay, sir, what's on your mind?
	Well, the...
	The guy you had on talking about the wildest colts make the best horses, I think was the title of his book.
	Yeah, he's a PhD.
	I've interviewed him many times.
	One thing you might get into with him the next time you're on is a research or solution avenue for people that have family members.
	There was just something on PBS last night that says...
	One in four families has some mental illness.
	They were, of course, parading out the guy that is advocating the new eugenics.
	Which is, you know, says that people should have the right to choose to abort their babies if they're defective.
	Well, they're saying they want to kill them up until two years of age in this country in England, and they're saying we're all mentally ill, and they're creating new mental health SWAT teams.
	I have an article written from back in the Clinton administration where the Surgeon General said basically all Americans are declared insane and need medicated at one time or another.
	Now what is being ignored is the studies that show that all these oils that are corrupted in our diet are diminishing the effects of things like fish oil.
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	Sir, most children who have behavioral problems are drinking two or three Cokes by noon.
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	That is one of the things that you can do a little research and find out.
	But the fish oil thing and the B12, B6 folic acid, I mean, get that at your local drugstore, and it'll improve your...
	But the FDA is moving to regulate and shut down that sale, but then they're pushing Ritalin and Prozac on your children.
	The Codex Alimentarius, it's a globalist agenda there to eliminate these things.
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	Well, I just said I like dogs.
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	Yeah, well, cats are... I can relate.
	I'll just say that.
	But, yeah, those things right there would be possible solutions for people, and they've actually done double-blind placebo studies in mental hospitals, and one big story came out.
	Look, they've proven that taking complex oils and getting your B-complexes, they have proven that it is more effective than all the drugs out there to stop seizures.
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	Thanks for the call.
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	Colonel Craig Roberts, Army Intelligence, police officer, SWAT team member, helicopter pilot.
	Worked the Oklahoma City bombing case joins us.
	We're going to get into that before the bottom of the hour.
	But Colonel Roberts, I don't know if you had a chance to hear some of the last hour.
	And it's good to have you here, sir.
	I'm glad to be back, and I've been listening.
	Well, I mean, TiVo, your cable's watching you, tracking what you're doing.
	OnStar listening to you.
	Cameras now in school bathrooms.
	Microchips are putting in the fish to track us.
	RFID going in everywhere.
	The Matrix system, which is Echelon and the NSA locally.
	Everything you buy and sell or do.
	A new national sales tax coming out to force us all to scan our cards, even when we use cash.
	I mean, this is incredible, your response to it.
	Well, it's all been designed for a long time.
	They've been looking for scientific and technological solutions to totally control the planet's population.
	The only way you can do that is identification and control the economy.
	If you control the economy by the spending and selling habits, you know what products are being bought, you know where they're going, you know how much is being bought.
	Anything that sends up a red flag, the computer tells you, hey, this guy bought four boxes of ammunition and there's no reason to buy more than one if you're a hunter.
	This guy is storing food.
	This guy over here is buying chemicals to sterilize water, and we don't want people to be able to do that.
	They also know where you are by GPS all the time, if your car or your cell phone moves, so they can track you for your own good, of course, and so on.
	All the stuff you talked about last hour is stuff that we talked about five years ago and eight years ago and ten years ago, and no one wanted to believe.
	They said, oh, they can't do that.
	That could never happen, and here it is today, and they're finally coming out and saying, buy stock in our company.
	OnStar is good.
	This is good.
	That's good.
	We've got to have more cameras.
	We've got to have cameras on the intersections and on the stoplights.
	Plus, it generates revenue and it cuts down on accidents because people won't run the red lights anymore.
	We get all of this on and on and we're inundated with it to where there are two things.
	You fall into the category of you've got to go along with it because it's good and that's what they said or you fall into the category of I'd like to fight it but I'm so tired of it and I'm so inundated and there's nothing I can do anyway.
	I'm just going to go back in the house and sit on the couch.
	That's what we've come up against, Alex.
	Right now is a critical time that if people don't start getting proactive and jumping up and down and saying, I'm not buying any product that's got a scanner chip.
	I'm not going to go along with this.
	I'm not going to have a cell phone that does that.
	You have to hit them back economically.
	The CEOs of these companies that come up with this stuff look at the bottom line.
	If they go in the hole and the stockholders are going, we're not making any money on this, then the company can't function.
	Our
	I think so.
	But I want to be in control of it, and if I find out you're in control of it, I'm unplugging it from the wall, and I'm not going to... And again, all new cell phones are satellite tracked.
	I have a four-year-old phone.
	People laugh at me.
	Look at that old phone.
	Well, my phone isn't a tracking device.
	And, you know, I went and checked it out and made sure and had engineers look at it.
	But, Craig, they're putting in the infrastructure around us.
	They're getting rid of the checkout lanes that have service, putting in the self-checkouts, then the thumb scanners go in, then all this starts.
	We're just a few years away from the total grid being in place at every store.
	Right now, we can still boycott and keep them from going in.
	But if we let it go in everywhere, then we won't have a choice, and you can either buy it or sell without this system, and I think we've heard of that before.
	Oh, yeah, the mark of the beast.
	Yeah.
	The military is already there.
	When I got my last ID card from the military, they scanned my thumbprint.
	I thought it was going to be the old retina scan and put your hand on the thing and all this kind of stuff.
	They didn't do any of that.
	The computer took my picture.
	The little pad scanned my right thumbprint.
	Then the computer pukes out an ID card with all kinds of barcode stuff on the back.
	Since then, they've come out with one.
	It's a mark card, and it's got a programmable EPROM chip in it.
	You can see the chip.
	It's gold.
	It's right on the front of the card.
	And most states now have that.
	The children, the schools have been turned into little mini prisons preparing them for all of this under the CAPS-2 system to have a job anywhere.
	Your driver's license will have the federal security code.
	Clearance on it for what type of job you can have.
	The new sales tax, Craig, which they're getting ready for, is going to bring federal control into every business, every transaction.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And then on top of that, they're going to come up with a way to where this driver's license is going to end up being a national citizen ID card because of the invasion of the illegal immigrants across the border.
	I think so.
	You know, they're going to come up with a problem, and they're going to advertise this problem, and the media is going to harp on this problem over and over again.
	And then again, because it's all these foreigners, it's a global ID card.
	I have articles three years old where the state driver's license, the county driver's license in England, the stuff in Europe, it's all standardized biometrically.
	It already is a world ID card.
	They just haven't told us yet.
	Well, right.
	But everybody right now on the 6 o'clock news is seeing the problems.
	The problems are there.
	We've got to do something about it.
	We don't know what we're going to do about it.
	It's an election year, but next year we'll have an idea, da-da-da.
	And they're coming up with all of these things.
	Well, we tried this.
	We tried that.
	It didn't work.
	We're just going to have to use more microchips.
	We're going to have to use more ID cards.
	We're going to have to use more barcodes and scanners and cameras.
	And everybody's going to go, okay, I understand.
	Yeah, there is a problem.
	And so it's a problem solution, the Hegelian effect, just like we've talked about a hundred times.
	It's here, and it's happening all around us, and everybody's just looking and thinking.
	We're all behind the jet.
	We're all behind the power curve.
	We're all saying, geez, this is happening faster every day than I can even complain about it.
	And that's what they do.
	They try to stay ahead of us.
	And it's already in place to where we can't do anything until it's too late.
	I see articles out of Tennessee, Texas, New York, Canada.
	Where they go, yeah, we put cameras in the showers and the bathrooms, but we're having a school board debate.
	You know, is this good?
	There shouldn't even be a debate about putting cameras in the showers.
	But, I mean, that shows how dumb and ignorant people have gotten.
	Oh, it's incredible.
	Well, in Tulsa, the other day, when I was driving through town, I noticed for the first time under the major intersections, there's cameras pointed all four directions.
	Let's say somebody came up and they wanted to blow one up with a shotgun.
	There's no place you could stand in the intersection without another camera seeing you do it.
	You'd be on film.
	So, you know, I mean, it's a self-protective system.
	Craig, they're going in in our neighborhoods now.
	Here in Austin.
	Well, and in England, they're everywhere.
	Over four million, yeah.
	Oh, it's incredible.
	See, they were the test program.
	The English were the test program.
	Disarm them first, put the cameras in second, make everything against the law that you can't protect yourself.
	And all of this stuff is, you know, the English are very compliant like the Canadians.
	They line up and they do what they're told.
	If they think they can do it there by massaging the system a little bit, it'll work here.
	And what they do is they divide the country up into different cultural sections.
	They know that what works in the Pacific Northwest isn't going to work in the South.
	They know that what works in Maine isn't going to work in Texas.
	So they change it a little bit.
	But eventually, they'll meld it all together.
	It'll be one national thing, just like a federal income tax, and everybody's going to have to line up.
	Absolutely.
	And, Craig, I mean, looking at this matrix system, all this is is turning the states into vacuum cleaners of info for the NSA.
	We both know it's been in all 50 states for decades, but now they're announcing it to us, and they just say, everything you do will be tracked and traced.
	Every book you buy, what you sell, I mean, this is not America.
	And people say, well, it'll keep us safe.
	Well, wait a minute.
	The Houston Crime Lab, the FBI Crime Lab, all these crime labs admit they're framing people.
	Now they want to start a new national DNA database.
	And oh, by the way, for the last 34 years, every child born has their blood taken.
	It wasn't for a blood test after all.
	People go, well, this will stop crime.
	No, no, no.
	The criminals in government will selectively enforce that and frame people with those test ampules that they have.
	Can you speak to that?
	Well, you know, there was a time when I would say that that's ridiculous, but considering what we found out during and after the Oklahoma City bombing case with the manipulations that the FBI lab did on that, and then when I was writing the book Medusa File, the investigations that I was involved in both here and in Europe,
	And found out on TANM-103 how the laboratories manipulated the evidence on TANM-103 to try to make the Libyans look guilty when actually it was other groups altogether that were involved in this that had to do with CIA drug running.
	When we found out that over and over that evidence was manipulated and falsified and then we started looking back and we got all the way back to the Kennedy assassination where we found out that the FBI lab and other laboratories and other law enforcement agencies intimidated witnesses
	I think so.
	That were in the Dallas Archives and the Dallas Police Archives and in the Texas Department of Public Safety Archives and the same documents that were in the Warren Commission evidence where the numbers of the cartridges found on the floor had been changed.
	Well, Craig, a headline in the front page of the Houston Chronicle four months ago
	We're good to go.
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	The DA indicts.
	Innocent people go to prison.
	Tulia, Texas, 58 black people, no criminal records, no drugs, no paraphernalia, 20 to 90 years in prison.
	The cop informant was being paid.
	Every person he framed.
	I mean, this is industrialized, Craig.
	Well, it's rampant in a lot of the big cities.
	Oklahoma City last year, one of their laboratory technicians, I believe, was investigated and brought up on charges for all of the falsification of evidence that had gone through there to support cases.
	And of course, you know, we all know about what Frederick Whitehurst said about the FBI lab on several cases where evidence has been tampered with and falsified just to make the cases.
	And there are cases out there that we know of where federal agents and even local agents have gone onto private property and buried evidence, then come back later with a search warrant, found it, and seized the property.
	That's the point I'm making.
	If you're 33 or younger, they got your blood, and now they're going to just legalize using it, and you can't believe any of this DNA stuff.
	Where do you go to trust anything?
	What is the checks and balances?
	There is none.
	All right, we'll come back, take calls, and we'll get into Oklahoma City.
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	I want to get to Henry and Johnny and Kirk and Martin and others.
	I want to get into Oklahoma City and these new developments.
	Colonel Roberts, I was thinking during the break about the fact that there are crime labs in Houston and Dallas.
	I'm just using Texas as an example.
	Where they will knowingly, randomly arrest people, seize their assets, and throw a bag of chalk in the back of their car, and then the whole chain of command goes along with the frame-ups.
	I mean, I didn't even know that the average criminal was that ruthless and bad.
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	How did they get to that point?
	Well, I think what happens in some areas, some cities, and I'll be right up front, there are cities in this country that have been known for police corruption for a century or two.
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	Houston has always been a city that's had problems.
	I think so.
	I mean, we see this stuff now.
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	Oh, what a novel idea.
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	Well, all government in this country should be controlled by the citizen.
	But the citizens are so busy out here trying to make ends meet that they don't have time to do both.
	And a lot of people don't want to get involved.
	But to answer your question, a lot of times in a police department...
	They will get into a situation where they've had one thing get covered up, and then because it comes to light, the brass in the next level up decide, you know, we can't have this thing get out.
	We'll handle it ourselves.
	But they don't want any bad PR, so they cover it up a little bit.
	Then the brass above them say, gee, we've got two levels of cover up here, and there's no way we can let it get out, so we'll cover it up.
	And it goes all the way up, and finally it'll get to the chief.
	Or sometimes he doesn't even find out about it until the whole thing blows up and when it gets leaked to the media.
	This happens over and over.
	Those usually end up in a grand jury investigation.
	You get a case where you get a bad shooting.
	It goes down.
	You shoot somebody.
	You thought they had a gun.
	They didn't.
	Somebody takes the throw down and throws it down.
	Yeah, there's the guy's gun.
	Then later on, three months down the road, the homicide detectives finally trace the gun.
	It was sold originally to a guy who sold it to a guy who remembers selling it to a police officer.
	These are things that happen.
	A lot of it is human nature.
	A lot of it isn't.
	We do see giant travesties of justice in property seizures now.
	The property seizure laws have gotten so out of control that a lot of law enforcement people I know won't even touch them because they're just totally corrupt.
	Craig, here's the problem, and then we'll go to break, and I promise go to your calls.
	You may even go to one right now.
	We're going to see the first blood scenario, to use that Hollywood example.
	Whereas they push more and more former veterans and more and more people who aren't corrupt.
	It is pushing towards a violent confrontation, which we don't want, which they'll just use to expand their control.
	But, I mean, how close to a violent conflict do you think we're getting?
	Oh, I think we've been there for a long time.
	It's a powder keg.
	You look at Waco, you look at Randy Weaver, you look at Gordon Call, you look at...
	A lot of these other things we don't even hear about anymore.
	You look at the stuff that's gone down out in Arizona, out in Phoenix.
	Well, they have drawn first blood.
	Over and over again, we keep taking this.
	It's happened over and over again, but the media has a way of... See, what we never had in the past was television.
	Now everybody can sit in front of their TV when they come home at work at night and get the excuses.
	And the next day, they get to spin.
	So it's okay.
	This isn't the time because that guy deserved what he got type deal.
	Where in the old days...
	It happened in a local village.
	They knew what happened in five minutes and somebody would go get a rope.
	It's a different scenario when you control the media.
	In the old Rothschild plan, there were two things they wanted to control.
	One was the monetary system and the other was all outlets of public information.
	Because if you control those two things, you control the general population.
	But now, I mean, Craig, in a week, 3 million people watch a video clip on my website, and I'm just one website.
	They've got to be worried about that Internet.
	Oh, they're terrified of that.
	They're terrified of a lot of things.
	They're terrified of the fact that there's no way, no matter what they do, that they're going to have total control over the entire population.
	And this is the scary part, because you and I know that,
	And a lot of people out there that live in rural areas know that there's a drastic difference in culture in this country between who lives in the big cities and who lives out in the country in the mountains and the swamps and the backwoods and so on.
	I've got relatives that are hillbillies that I don't think they come out of the woods but once every ten years.
	And they have a different country there.
	They remember the country of 40 or 50 years ago and this stuff is all new to them and you're not going to be able to chase these people around the woods and do anything to force them to go into your new world order.
	Now they know this.
	Now, here's the other side of that coin.
	This is the scary part.
	How, if you were one of these globalists, deal with that?
	Well, if you're into population control anyway, the only way you're going to be able to deal with it is biological, chemical, or nuclear, and get rid of these people and start over again.
	Take the rural areas, decimate them, reduce the population, then you put your own re-breeders back in there.
	All right, we're going to come back and bam, bam, bam, go to your calls.
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	I'm only going to take five more calls because we've got to get into this Oklahoma City news.
	Colonel Roberts, ready to go to these calls?
	I'm ready.
	Let's talk to Henry in Colorado.
	Henry, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, gentlemen.
	Good day.
	Thank you for everything you do.
	I've got basically two topics and three questions.
	Number one, the Oklahoma City.
	KKTV here in Colorado Springs will not talk to me about a show.
	Actually, the bulletin they put on the OKC situation where they said, and these are the two bombs they have found.
	And you could never get a reprint or a copy or anything of that.
	They will not admit to it.
	Well, I have the video in my film, Road to Tyranny, of the local news reporting that.
	Is that your first question?
	What are your other questions?
	The other question is, I'm having a terrible time with the Air Force Academy fighting, being blackballed for exposing drugs at NORAD, sex scandals at the Air Force Academy, things like that.
	I've lost my job over this stuff.
	And what I wanted to know was,
	I've been fighting with these people for the last four years and I've been taping their conversations and the minute I told them I was taping their conversations, something's happened to my tape recorder.
	My tape has been totally erased.
	Is there any technology that can do that?
	Let me answer that question and Craig can answer the other one.
	Thanks for the call.
	I don't have time for three questions and two comments because we've got a bunch of callers here.
	Thank you, sir.
	Let me try to answer.
	Yes, they have magnetic systems you can buy that will erase whole boxes of tapes in a few seconds.
	They have more powerful systems that can emit your house.
	And demagnetize everything in it.
	That's the answer to the first question.
	To the second question.
	First question about the news reporting multiple bombs, removing the bombs.
	Colonel Roberts?
	Yeah, we had that situation happen on day one when they reported, they got everybody back and they said, we found the second device and we're working on it now.
	And then Frank Keating, the governor at the time, came on and he said that we have it and now we have something that we can trace.
	It's very sophisticated.
	And then all of a sudden that whole story went away after they moved everybody back away from the building.
	But what happened at the same time when they moved everybody back away from the building, moved back about a half a mile, is about 50 guys wearing blue raid jackets with no letters on the back showed up, and they went into the building, and they were seen by one of the firemen who did not evacuate the scene, who was up on one of the other floors.
	They were seen going in there and carrying out several things, including a stretcher that looked like what it had, like rocket launchers or something, that he wasn't sure what it was, explosives of some sort.
	And several boxes of files and putting them onto a military ambulance, which left the scene.
	And we think that the files are probably one of the reasons that the Murrah Building was selected for destruction, because they led to a lot of things in the current administration at the time.
	All right, let's go back to calls.
	Let's talk to Johnny in Texas.
	Johnny, go ahead.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Afternoon, gentlemen.
	Two things very quickly.
	My nephew, when he was a very small child, was put on Ritalin.
	Today, as a grown man, he sits around his house drinking bottles of Jack Daniels.
	He's completely psychotic, has a house full of guns.
	This is just an example of what Ritland can do.
	Second thing, I talked to Chris Simcox this morning with TombstoneTumbleweed.com, and we got into the borders being wide open down there in Arizona and the battles that Chris is facing.
	He's going to be on my Internet radio show for those that missed.
	It is at mastersofterror.net.
	Please tune in, people.
	You need to hear this.
	This is very important.
	Yeah, we did the interview yesterday about the foreign troops running around, coming over the border.
	I appreciate the call.
	Johnny brings up some important points, and now the foreign troops are coming right across the border.
	The people in the upper echelons in Washington for the last 10 or 15 years have encouraged non-enforcement of our national sovereignty on the southern frontier.
	They've wanted to create this problem to the point where the states, not only just the border states, but the states that border the border states are inundated with illegal aliens to where they can come up with one of two things.
	A solution to the problem where they have to track every citizen with ID cards and chips and so on.
	Exactly.
	I mean, right out in the open, they're going to accept all their IDs, give them IDs, and then give us IDs in the name of stopping them while they legalize them all.
	And then Bush says it's not an amnesty, Colonel.
	I mean, how ridiculous is that?
	Well, you know, the Russians proved a long time ago you can totally lock down and control an entire country for decades.
	We could do the same thing.
	For the money we spend in some areas, we could build a fence and a trench all the way across the Southwest if we wanted to.
	We could put Vietnam-issued jungle sensors in on the ground.
	I mean, there's so many things that we could do to stop this if we wanted to, but our border agents aren't even allowed to protect themselves.
	And they've been killing federal officers, but the feds seem to love that.
	Kirk in Colorado, go ahead.
	It's an honor to be on your show, Mr. Jones.
	You're not going to talk to you?
	Yes.
	You made a point earlier about the checks and balances.
	They're just gone.
	If you look at Bush, he can't justify the war for being self-defense because he can't tie any of the murderers to Iraq.
	We can't justify the war because of weapons of mass destruction.
	So we can't justify it as far as safety or security or that sort of thing.
	And, you know, if we're just going to depose a dictator, they should have just said, hey, we're going to go after him, and then once we got him, I mean, he's about the only one they haven't killed, then they would, you know, the war would be over right now.
	But what I don't understand is how this court-appointed dictator prince got around the Electoral College when the whole point of the Electoral College...
	It's to prevent the masses from electing a dictator through popular opinion.
	Well, understand, it doesn't matter if it's Al Gore or George Bush.
	The same agenda would be followed.
	But, yeah, I mean, I'm no fan of Saddam, but the whole war is a fraud.
	It's about globalism.
	Colonel Roberts' comments?
	Well, it's simple.
	It's, you know, imagine you're going to a city.
	And you've got two roads.
	One's a superhighway with four lanes, and the other one is a meandering country road with a scenic view.
	They both arrive at the same city.
	That's what we've got at the top levels of the electoral process now.
	Well, also, I mean, they're now putting in a national ID card in Iraq.
	They're not bringing freedom to those people.
	Well, to them it would probably seem like superfreedom compared to what they've had, but everything's relative, you know?
	We know better.
	They don't yet.
	And by the time they do, it's too late.
	By the way, now they're going to bring the UN in to take over and play the part of the good cop.
	And the whole thing really is irrelevant in the sense that what we're really facing here is a spiritual war and a religious war because the Muslims aren't ever going to get along with anybody else.
	The Christians are always going to be persecuted.
	And everybody that falls in between those two groups are going to be trying to rule the other one or make rules in between.
	One last call and we've got to get into Oklahoma City.
	Martin in Wisconsin, go ahead.
	Go ahead, Martin.
	We're going to bring you up now.
	Is Martin gone?
	Okay, I'm sorry to other callers, I don't have time to get to you.
	Colonel Roberts, we'll obviously have to get you back on and talk more about this, but we've got about 13 minutes left here.
	Possible OKC bombing video shows two explosions.
	World Net Daily picked up this McCurtain Daily Gazette, this J.D.
	Cash writer, and they talk about how this James Traficant's aide was raided.
	He told Congress that he'd seen the video of the multiple explosions and the
	Well, you know, that's a whole Pandora's box of items right there.
	The first thing that's hit is the problem area that we've got with J.D.
	Cash.
	Cash arrived into the story early on, and for some reason that I've never been able to completely determine, his bent has been Elohim City, the right wing, the militias, the white Aryan resistance, Aryan nations, the Ku Klux Klan, all of that wild goose chase over through that bunch, the CSA over in Arkansas and everything.
	As a law enforcement officer,
	What we did is we worked the best information we had from the eyewitnesses, which, you know, your eyewitness testimony on day one is the best information you can get.
	And these were police and firefighters.
	Right.
	And we're working citizens.
	We're saying, what did you see?
	What did you see?
	You were standing there.
	And the thing that developed that we got within a few days, actually most of it the first day, was that there were Middle Easterners involved, that two were standing in front of the front door of the Murr Building wearing blue jogging suits, almost like uniforms,
	And they held the parking place for a Ryder truck that pulled up, but before the Ryder truck got there, there was a UPS truck, a brown UPS truck, and when it pulled out at 9 o'clock in the morning, it had been riding about five minutes to nine, then the Ryder truck came.
	Well, I saw later on, and it was brought to
	The trial that was held in Tulsa, it was an evidence trial that was held in front of three judges in Tulsa, and I went to it, and this photograph was brought up there on a plasterboard that showed the UPS truck in front of the Murrah building.
	And the photograph was taken by the Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office.
	Now, that was a surveillance photograph prior to the Ryder truck arriving.
	And we have all these surveillance cameras.
	They declare national security on it.
	The FBI that saw that video told the L.A.
	Times that, yeah, it showed McVeigh with this other Middle Easterner, but Cash doesn't want to get into that.
	Well, no.
	In fact, what had happened is Kathy and Glenn Wilburn hired Larry Oliver, who was a Tulsa attorney, to represent them in a lawsuit against the government.
	And Oliver is a former Tulsa police officer, and I know Larry, and he's a very good lawyer, and the undersheriff for Tulsa County called me up, and he said, go over there and talk to Larry and show him some of the stuff you've come up with on the bombing case, because all he's got is what the feds have given him.
	So I went over there, and I'm sitting there talking to him, and I hear this voice out in the hall, and I turn around, and it's J.D.
	Cash, and he's on the phone, and he turns around and he walks in, and he was kind of shocked to see me there,
	But he said, I've almost got this nailed down.
	I've got one more phone call to make, and we've got LOMCity locked in on this deal.
	And I've lived here most of my life, and I've never heard of the place.
	And this guy comes from nowhere, Oklahoma, originally, and working for the McCurtain County Gazette, which is a little tiny, I guess it's a weekly newspaper that they talk about the price of cattle feed.
	I mean, it's a nothing newspaper.
	And all of a sudden, he's this big press credential guy walking around interviewing everybody and pretty much staying with Wilburn's.
	And he's trying to get the Wilburns to go along with this story that Elohim City is where it all emanates out of, and it all goes back to Millar and Dennis Mahon and Strassmeyer and all this bunch.
	Well, now he's saying Strassmeyer's a government informant, which we do know.
	But as you said, that whole place is government informants.
	Well, it all was.
	It was all a wild goose chase from the word go.
	Because we checked it out, and we worked it.
	And we found out that everything down there was informing to the feds.
	However, I sat there, we went to lunch, and I looked at him, and he came across this story about all of these players.
	Hey, let's stay there.
	And you know the congressional aid, too.
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	Craig, we know they have surveillance tapes.
	We know they have these sting tapes.
	We know they did it, basically.
	Engineered it, just like World Trade Center Attack 1, where they cooked the bomb, trained the driver, let the operation go forward, and said, oh, it was a sting gone bad.
	But, so, in a nutshell, you know the Congressional aide.
	He's saying he's had this video.
	He told Congress he's interviewed BATF that said they saw it in training seminars.
	Your info on that.
	Well, I know John, and he was a Marine sniper in Vietnam, by the way, with the 5th Marines at Quay City.
	And we're both members of the Scout Sniper Association, and I've talked to him.
	I helped him get started on writing his first book, Operation Tuscaloosa.
	And he's John Culbertson?
	John Culbertson.
	And he's from Oklahoma City originally, and I didn't know that he was involved in looking into the case until just recently because he wasn't part of our team or anything.
	But I know that John is a very honest person, and if he says he had those photographs, then he probably did.
	If he saw the video and told you what was on it or had the video, he probably did because he's a very serious minded individual.
	He's very honest.
	Those pictures and videos, the video I was told existed.
	I had no idea that anybody outside of maybe the FBI or the National Archives would have a copy of this thing.
	I have talked to VZ Lawton and a couple of other people in Oklahoma City that are the survivors down there and they said they saw a video and it may be the one he had.
	I don't know.
	But in the video that they saw, it showed who got out of the Ryder truck and that it was...
	McVeigh, a Middle Eastern male or somebody of dark skin, and a female, which is all new information to me.
	Well, some FBI agents told the LA Times and News 4 that they saw it, that they saw McVeigh with others, and then the feds grabbed the tapes and declared national security.
	I mean, they could have ended this real quick by just showing that video.
	Which is my contention all along, Alex.
	Every time I do a seminar or even have any interdiction to do with the federal government and the Congresses,
	Show us the video.
	Well, here's the big story.
	They say Congress has a copy of this, the Intelligence Committee, but instead they raid John Culbertson, wanting to know where the video is.
	They already have the video.
	They're just wanting to cover it up.
	Well, here's the problem.
	They didn't just take his computers.
	They took his disks.
	They took, evidently, his paper files, everything he had on the case.
	And this is supposedly initiated by the Nichols defense team.
	But why would they go in and take every single thing that had nothing to do with... Well, why didn't McVeigh's lawyer, Stephen Jones, who got $18 million, why didn't he ever demand a show of these tapes?
	Well, he did.
	He demanded all the tapes that he could get, and they wouldn't give him anything.
	And at the very last minute, they dumped in about a million documents of superfluous garbage on him that no one had time to go through.
	That's how they play that game.
	And then you run out of time in court, and then the judge tells you that he doesn't want to see anything that doesn't have to do with is McVeigh guilty, yes or no.
	Don't bring anything else into the case type deal.
	That whole thing was rigged from the word go.
	All right, Colonel Roberts, we're out of time.
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