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Air Date: Jan. 14, 2004
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	Big Brother.
	Big Brother.
	Mainstream media.
	Government cover-ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	All right, my friends.
	Believe it or not, it's already Wednesday.
	The 14th day into the new year of 04.
	I'm Alex Jones, your host.
	We'll be live for the next three hours.
	And we do have a guest coming on here in about 30 minutes.
	T.J.
	Bonner, the president.
	Of the Border Patrol Council.
	That's the union for the rank-and-file Border Patrol officers.
	They're calling this betrayal.
	They're calling this a slap in the face, treason, you name it.
	So he'll be joining us in about 30 minutes.
	We've got some other guests we're lining up as well.
	And, of course, we're going to be taking your phone calls throughout the show.
	Right now, let's launch straight into the news.
	I saw this headline this morning, and I thought, oh, good.
	But then I read into the article and said, oh, well, I guess that's not good.
	Forex dollar rebounds buoyed by narrowing U.S.
	trade gap.
	Now, for the last, what, three years, the trade gap gets bigger each month.
	And it's still bigger than what it was three or four months ago, but it went down a little bit from what it was the month before last month.
	And so the dollar that had been trading, the euro, $1.29 above the dollar, well, it went down 2.5 cents to $1.265.
	That's their good news.
	See, it's not free market, folks.
	It's crony capitalism, or what you'd call fascism.
	A lot of news about Halliburton and scams they're running.
	Salon is reporting, Salon Magazine, that Halliburton's going to get a big piece of the increased NASA funding.
	I guess now they build spaceships and satellites.
	Now, they never have before, but now they're going to be getting that.
	Also, Halliburton trainees complain they're not being paid for
	And contractors serve troops dirty food in dirty kitchens.
	This is out of the Taipei Times.
	I mean, just to show what they think of the troops, we'll go over this, not to mention double-charging the Pentagon for fuel they were selling.
	There's just no end to these people.
	But no one's being indicted.
	Nobody's going to jail.
	It's like Enron.
	But in the case of Dixon Cannon up in Dallas...
	In the IRS case, they're trying to get life imprisonment now for failure to withhold.
	Axe murderers don't get that now, but also that doctor up in Missouri who treated someone and testified about how they'd brutally beaten someone in the jail.
	They pulled her over, beat her up, and are charging her criminally with a bunch of stuff.
	The state prosecutor got involved, and they're wanting to know why the governor wants her behind bars.
	And there's an article on that article.
	U.S.
	civil rights groups vow to fight color-coding of air passengers.
	It's not just for air passengers.
	This is what's going to be on your national ID card in the new discrimination system.
	Bush to seek unmanned missions to moon this decade.
	It's rumored that he was going to announce manned mission, but because the polls came out against it, now it'll just be unmanned missions.
	Also, the new World ID card shaping up.
	We'll get into that.
	Four dead and suicide.
	Bombing in the Gaza Strip.
	Court upholds use of random police roadblocks.
	That's just some, some of what's coming up here on the show.
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	Big Brother.
	Mainstream media.
	Government cover-ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	All right, my friends.
	It's eight minutes past the hour.
	We do have the president.
	Of the Border Patrol Council coming on the show.
	The National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush's proposed guest worker program, calling it a slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States.
	The agents are told in a letter...
	From Vice President John Frecker, that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference implies that the country really wasn't serious about immigration enforcement in the first place.
	Well, that's the way it's been for years.
	They'll make a Border Patrol agent sitting in a truck by himself in the most dangerous law enforcement job statistically you can have, and they're allowed to look, say, north down a road or south down a road, but not both ways.
	We're good to go.
	We're good to go.
	They've been killing about, what, three Border Patrol agents a year for the last five years.
	They've killed two Forestry Service agents, killed an FBI agent, injured two more, killed a bunch of sheriff's deputies, killed a whole bunch of citizens.
	They find dead Mexicans all the time at the coyotes.
	I don't mean the dog kind or the canine type.
	I mean the drug-dealing human smugglers feed on the illegal aliens coming across who aren't authorized.
	It makes me very, very angry, and we could not talk enough about this subject.
	Frankly, I don't think I've been discussing it enough.
	We've been talking about it so much over the last few years.
	Bush tried amnesty right before 9-11 and tried to say that, well, amnesty is a good thing.
	Well, now his amnesty is even worse.
	That was going to be a one-time amnesty of whoever was here.
	Now it's going to be whoever's here and whoever gets here in perpetuity.
	So perhaps you'd like to comment on this.
	I've been talking to so-called conservatives, and they've been listening to talk radio, and they're going, well, I guess it's a shrewd move by Bush.
	You know, we can't vote for Dean.
	Might as well support it.
	This is what we're getting.
	And I confronted one of my longtime friends last night out at the TV studio.
	He runs a pro-life show.
	And I said, you know, what about our loss of liberty?
	Well, we've got to do that to be safe from terrorists.
	Well, what about the open borders?
	Well, I guess we've got to do it.
	Well, what about Bush saying he's going to sign the assault weapons ban?
	Well, you're not for Howard Dean, are you?
	And I go, no, I'm not for Howard Dean.
	My question is, what are you going to do about it?
	Well, I guess nothing.
	Yeah, I guess nothing.
	We've totally capitulated.
	It's disgusting.
	And of the Limbaughs and the Hannities, they're not saying much about this open border thing.
	They're saying, well, we could just secure it and stop terrorists.
	I guess it'd be okay to have all these immigrants here.
	They're already capitulating.
	The only big national host that isn't saying that is Michael Savage, which I have to commend.
	He's saying, impeach Bush.
	And I heard two of my conservative friends who haven't woken up yesterday saying, oh, he's a nut.
	I don't like him now.
	I mean, anything to worship Bush.
	Oh, you liked Michael Savage when he was saying put anybody that disagrees with the government in a forced labor camp, but you don't like it when he finally says we cannot have open borders and impeach George W. What do you think about all this?
	1-800-259-9231 Before I get back into the news, I was just thinking about this this morning.
	We're good to go.
	I think?
	About this, why is that?
	Well, it's because when you're a child, everything is new.
	Your mind is alive.
	It's soaking everything up.
	You're developing your personality and your psyche.
	And that's why time goes by so slow.
	But as you get older, you're so set in your ways.
	You've got blinders on.
	You've got so many responsibilities.
	You're working so hard that everything basically flows past you.
	And before you know it,
	The big heart attack's hitting you, and your life is over.
	Well, I want to challenge people.
	Before you die in a car wreck, before you get diagnosed with terminal brain cancer, before any of this happens to you, get involved in spreading the word about freedom.
	Get involved in fighting for this country's sovereignty for the sake of your children and grandchildren.
	Don't live as a spectator.
	Don't spend your life as someone on the sidelines.
	And when you do get involved in fighting the New World Order, your life does become richer, your mind does become more focused and sharp, and the time slows down a bit.
	It doesn't slow down to the speed of when you were a child, but when I am fighting the New World Order and when I am working hard in the fight against it, every day is longer and fuller and richer.
	But when I'm just doing busy work or, you know, tearing out the trash or cleaning out the garage, time goes by in an instant because it's just mindless work.
	I don't know if that instruction helps you any.
	Perhaps you'd like to instruct me about the world.
	I'm learning more every day, and that's why I'm so alive, because I want to learn more.
	I want to understand history.
	I want to understand the present.
	I want to understand the future, and I do to a greater degree every day, thanks to God.
	But at the same time, I realize how much I don't know
	It's very frustrating.
	I want to reach out to them and throw cold ice water on them and awaken them.
	Let me tell you what's worth more than all the gold in the hills to myself.
	What's worth more than all the treasures is unlocking minds, seeing someone who was in darkness, who was only focused on themselves to the point that they destroy themselves.
	The thrill of my life is seeing the blinders come off, unlocking minds.
	And that's the goal of this show.
	We're losing our freedom.
	America is on fire!
	I do not have words.
	I do not have semantics.
	I do not have the vocabulary to describe the full weight and horror of what I have seen developing.
	We are already inside the New World Order.
	We're like a frog in the pot and it's set now from simmer to medium and now the globalists are cranking the dial to high.
	And the bubbles are forming at the bottom of the pan and the country is almost cooked.
	And there is a lot of struggling happening.
	A lot of people are uneasy.
	A lot of people are more perceptive and receptive to what we're saying and deep down know it's true.
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	The answer is no you haven't.
	Have you called into local talk radio shows to have your two cents put in each day because it's your responsibility and it's a lot of fun to get out of the benches and get on the field and stand up for the final battle of humanity against the dehumanizing forces of the New World Order?
	Who's up first, Mark?
	Bretton, Missouri, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Alex, enjoy your show.
	First time caller.
	Actually didn't know I could get you in Kansas City until this weekend, so I'll be a loyal listener from here on out.
	Listen to me six days a week in Kansas City.
	Just wanted to make one quick comment.
	Wonderful.
	You called Michael Savage perfectly yesterday.
	You took notice of him calling for Bush's impeachment and gave him 30 days to turn around and start worshipping the man.
	It took less than 30 hours, my friend.
	Last night on his show, he pointed out how he called for Bush's impeachment, and then he was saying how he thought he was a wonderful man, he's a good man, he just needs help, and we're trying to save your presidency, Mr. Bush.
	It was blatantly sickening.
	I mean, up until that point, I had listened to Savage, and I had observed that he was kind of wishy-washy on certain subjects.
	He'd mention the New World Order at times, but then he'll go right back into Republican-Democrat stuff.
	Well, he will claim, I've only listened probably 20 times, he will claim that fighting globalism is a New World Order plan.
	He'll say you're with the New World Order and you're fighting globalism.
	Have you heard him say put people in concentration camps?
	I have.
	Hey, look, stay there.
	We'll talk about it.
	And I never really talk about other talk show hosts, but you've got to when Limbaugh says there's no New World Order.
	And when savages put people in concentration camps.
	I mean, folks, you've got to talk about that.
	Late summer 2003.
	Mainstream press tells us we're having a stock market recovery.
	Late summer 2002, I heard the same thing.
	Late summer 2001, you heard the same thing.
	The Dow Jones Industrial Average, currently trading in the 93 to 9400 range, is down 7% from two years ago.
	That's recovery?
	Gold, now trading in the $360 range, is up 31% in that same period.
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	Let's go back to Brett in Missouri.
	I'm finishing up with his comments, then we'll go to Manuel and Barry and Rhonda and others.
	Go ahead, Brett.
	Again, I was focusing on Michael Savage and his spin last night back to basically worshipping George Bush, and I just wanted to commend you again.
	You called it perfectly.
	And as for your Limbaugh, he'll totally dismiss anybody who can get past the screeners who mentions any kind of global plan or New World Order.
	He dismisses it as rubbish.
	It says there's no proof.
	And he will nix them as soon as he can.
	And this is while presidents and the Pope and prime ministers and U.N.
	plans and hundreds of news articles about urban warfare with black helicopters terrorizing people, it doesn't exist.
	Even when it's in USA Today, it doesn't exist.
	You're crazy if you say it exists.
	You're very correct.
	What did you think when you'd hear Savage call for anyone that disagrees with the government as aiding terrorists, put them in a forced labor camp?
	I mean, it's speechless at times.
	I mean, you think, okay, you listen to him and he'll get on a tirade, and then you think, okay, he's shooting off at the mouth.
	But if you stop and actually just comprehend what he is saying, it makes it very difficult to give any credibility to anything he says.
	I mean, I'll openly admit I was somewhat gullible to different talk radio shows.
	I listened to certain things.
	Well, he's an elitist supporter.
	Thanks for the call.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, I mean, folks, we're losing our freedoms.
	America is about freedom.
	We're becoming the biggest police state in the world with the most draconian controls of any nation.
	We're becoming communist China.
	They treat protesters like they do in China now here in America.
	They hire provocateurs.
	They beat them up.
	They run over them.
	They kill them.
	This isn't freedom.
	And they control the fake right wing, they control the fake left wing, and there's no difference.
	I've told liberals, you should love George Bush.
	He's following every Clinton policy to a T and getting it ramrodded through.
	Let's talk to Manuel in Pennsylvania.
	Manuel, go ahead.
	We're having another good discussion here.
	I've got good news, man.
	When you made a rant one day about your local news host, talk host, not being able to get in through the screener,
	And them fading you out, basically censoring us like they all do all over the country.
	I started listening to my AM band here on the local show.
	And I'm going to tell you my two experiences.
	This makes me feel very good.
	In this city, we passed the reaffirmation of the Bill of Rights and Constitution here against the Patriot Act.
	Well, today there was a discussion with a general, a gentleman named Mike Williams.
	And he was talking about the Patriot Act 1 and 2, pushing it as if it's something good.
	Well, the host took a lot of calls, and in those calls was one of mine.
	And I mentioned the subsections in the Patriot Act, how they strip our citizenship, the new definitions of terrorism.
	They did not dispute that.
	The host even said, yes, I have the copy here.
	The next caller was, this is what you're really going to like, a Vietnam veteran.
	He said, listen, sir, this is to the general.
	When I swore my oath to protect this country against all enemies, foreign and domestic, I'm going to tell you, sir, and he was talking to the guest, he said, you are a domestic enemy.
	And the guests had nothing to say to that.
	Nothing at all.
	And this is what I like hearing.
	All of the callers were against it.
	Also, we had another time a couple weeks ago.
	You're telling me there was a general in the Patriot Act for all citizens and all crimes saying it's good.
	Check this out.
	General Mike Williams.
	I got his name.
	Yeah, I know who he is.
	I remember this.
	Defense Science Board.
	I have no clue what this is.
	It doesn't even matter to me.
	They're helping set up the Total Information Awareness Network.
	They want to sound legitimate, Defense Science Board.
	Well, check this out.
	A couple weeks before this,
	We had a Second Amendment discussion.
	Show comes on at 11.
	Always run to it.
	Ever since I heard it.
	They don't censor your calls.
	And I'm going to tell everybody out there quickly.
	Any host, no matter what they talk about, if they do not censor your calls, get in there.
	Because once you call in there consistently with the facts, it doesn't matter what they're saying, they can't argue with you.
	So I'm going to tell you this about the Second Amendment.
	We called in.
	Everybody here was calling in pro-Second Amendment.
	This was the case.
	Our local newspapers, two of them,
	We're using a commonly used tactic, and I'm sure you're very aware with this, where they said, oh, this guy has diabetes.
	He's about 76 years old, and he is a veteran.
	He was carrying a so-called arsenal of weapons.
	You want to know the arsenal of weapons?
	Two handguns.
	And they kept making a point about a hollow point bullet and how he had potassium iodate and a Kevlar helmet and a water filter.
	So what?
	Well, check this out.
	All of the callers were against it.
	When I called in and told them, that's a classic propaganda piece of the whole thing.
	He didn't even disagree.
	Oh, look, look, you can call into these shows and make the host change his opinion.
	Exactly.
	That's what I tell people.
	They don't send you your calls.
	Call in, people.
	No matter what they're saying.
	If you can get through, call in there with facts consistently, be coherent and cogent, and you'll do a good job.
	Absolutely.
	That's where the fight for this country's taking place.
	More news and a guest coming up.
	Thanks.
	We're on the march.
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	Earlier, I read out of the Washington Times, Border Council calls Bush plans slap in the face.
	The National Border Patrol Council, which represents 9,000, all 9,000, of the Border Patrol non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush's proposed guest worker program, calling it a slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States.
	The agents are told in a letter from Vice President John Brecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference...
	Great to be here.
	Tell us about the National Border Patrol Council, of course the website, and what your members are saying, and what this total amnesty package will do.
	Well, there's a website that people can visit if they want to express their displeasure with the proposal, and it's noamnesty.com.
	And basically what this would do is reward people who have broken our laws and encourage other people to come in illegally, and this is not speculation.
	This happened...
	During the 1986 amnesty, and we will see it happen again, only in much larger numbers.
	Now, your organization represents all of the foot soldiers, the rank and file of non-supervisory Border Patrol, and we've gotten calls from Border Patrol agents.
	We've read their quotes in the papers.
	They're hopping mad.
	They're getting killed, putting their lives on the line, and Bush says, we're just going to legalize all these people.
	Yeah, it's a huge slap in the face to all Border Patrol agents or any other person who has enforced the immigration laws.
	And more importantly, it's bad public policy for the entire country.
	Well, absolutely.
	What is your organization doing trying to stop this?
	I mean, when you've got the Border Patrol against what Bush is doing, that doesn't bode well for his plans.
	Well, we're encouraging our members to speak out, and we're also encouraging the public to speak out.
	Because the only way you can turn bad policy around is by making your voice heard.
	If enough people tell the President and tell the Congress, this isn't what we want, you're going down the wrong path.
	Perhaps they'll wake up and come to their senses.
	I've heard from border folks, listeners, and organizations on the border that since this announcement was made last week, that there are record numbers of illegals now pouring across in Arizona and California.
	Well, that's no surprise.
	It happened back in 86.
	As soon as they announced it, the volume of traffic increased dramatically.
	And it really never went back down to the pre-amnesty levels.
	Back at that time, they were estimating that there were 3 or 4 million people in the country illegally.
	Since then, the latest census figures show 8 million, and that's 8 million people who stood up and said, yes, I'm here illegally, count me that way.
	And I would guess that 90 plus percent of illegals don't come to the door and tell the person that they're illegal.
	Precisely.
	So the real figure is much, much higher than the $8 million that the Census Bureau estimates.
	A lot of the think tanks that have done the research say it's $25 to $30 million.
	It's quite possible.
	We've got a real problem on our hands.
	And rewarding these people who have broken our laws is not only a slap in the face to those who enforce the immigration laws, it's a slap in the face to everyone who has played by the rules and waited patiently in their country waiting to get in here legally.
	What feedback are you getting from the Border Patrol that you represent?
	We're getting a lot of positive feedback on this effort to educate the public and our opposition to this amnesty.
	Well, how can you have people committing federal crimes and then reward them by saying you're all legal now and anybody that ever gets here is legal now?
	You might as well not even have a Border Patrol.
	Exactly.
	You may as well not have.
	Any immigration laws at all just open up the borders, but as we all know, that would be a disaster vis-a-vis homeland security.
	Because if it's easy, which it is right now, for an illiterate, impoverished peasant from Mexico to slip across the border, how much easier is it for a well-financed terrorist to do the same?
	Well, I know that the police will apprehend large groups of Arabs, and it doesn't even make the local news, and they just release them just like all the other illegals.
	There's been articles as central states as Virginia and Tennessee where sheriffs are running checkpoints, sobriety drug gun checkpoints, and they catch vanloads of illegals and smugglers, coyotes, and they call the INS.
	The INS says release them.
	It's almost like if you're illegal, you've got more rights than a citizen.
	Well, sadly, the strategy that the government is employing is ignoring the entire interior of the country.
	They've focused almost all of their efforts on the borders, and yet that's a very narrow window.
	Once you transit the border, then you're going to be staying in the country for years.
	The efforts need to shift, and the focus needs to be on
	Finding a way to stop people from taking jobs for American citizens.
	There was an L.A.
	Times article on Monday, sir, on Mr. Bonner, president of the Border Patrol Council, an organization representing all 9,000 of the Border Patrol non-supervisory agents.
	There was an article about how the only bus...
	It truly is.
	But I hear about...
	I guess they think they were pretty unsophisticated and stupid.
	But I don't believe that to be true.
	I think the average American is a lot more...
	Mr. Bonner, I read an article in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram over a year ago where it said that thousands of Border Patrol had quit because they were tired of having to pick up garbage on the streets and not being able to go after people, but mainly because they get tens of thousands of dollars more starting pay to be an air marshal.
	How has that affected the Border Patrol?
	We took a pretty big hit.
	At that time, our attrition was up at 20%.
	That's one out of every five people leaving.
	It's a little better now, but not nearly good enough.
	I think we're down at 15%, 16%, which is still pretty high.
	And that's yearly.
	So I guess if there's 9,000 foot soldiers on the Border Patrol, the article saying 2,000 was accurate then.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, we're hiring.
	I think this year we'll be hiring in the neighborhood of 2,600 people.
	And that's to just make up for all the losses.
	Slight growth, but mainly it's making up for those attrition losses.
	You've got less people than a mid-sized city as police.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And we have 6,000 miles of land border to patrol.
	and Canada, 2,000 between the U.S.
	4,000 between the U.S.
	and Mexico.
	I want folks to think about this.
	If you've got 9,000 Border Patrol, and I'd say a third of them are off at any one time, you know, for the weekend, and then you've got three shifts a day, what is that about?
	2,500 Border Patrol actually on the border at any one time nationwide?
	Yeah, approximately.
	That is, I mean...
	We should have 100,000 Border Patrol agents.
	That's the only place we need more law enforcement.
	I mean, you're the president of the, what I call it, a union?
	Yeah, it's a union.
	So what's going to happen, Mr. Bonner?
	With the amnesty?
	I mean, we're just not going to have a Border Patrol.
	I mean, we already really don't have one.
	Well, some of the policies have effectively tied our hands behind our back.
	And it seems that there are people who make the laws for this country who aren't too serious about stopping people from coming into the country.
	Now the feds admit, the Border Patrol says, over a million illegals cross in Cochise County, Arizona alone each year, one county.
	How many agents you got in Cochise County?
	I'm not sure.
	I can tell you not nearly enough.
	I mean, what country in the world lets a million people come through in one county?
	I mean, you don't have a country if you don't have a border.
	It's pretty hard to be a sovereign nation when people can just come and go at will.
	What will Mexico do if a million of us tried to cross there?
	Oh, you know, that there'd be this international outcry of how we're invading their country, blah, blah, blah.
	I'm sure you know, sir, that Mexico claims the Southwest is theirs and is teaching that in high school and college and grade schools, elementary schools, and I've got both Mexican presidents on tape, the last two, saying that they're going to take this country over.
	Well, I think they've already made a pretty good start.
	Well, 80-plus percent of Hispanics are against open borders and polls, but Bush claims Hispanics want this.
	But that's a fraud.
	They're doing this because corporations want cheap labor.
	Sure.
	Absolutely.
	It has nothing to do with what the Hispanics want.
	Because Hispanics who have come into the country legally, rather, are very upset about this.
	Because it's slapping them in the face, saying, you were stupid to wait in line for five years to come in under our laws.
	You could have just broken the law and we would have forgiven everything.
	This would be like proposing a tax cut
	For everybody in the country and saying, oh, and by the way, anyone who has not paid their taxes for any reason previously, it's all forgiven.
	And then no one would follow the law from that point on?
	No, exactly not.
	Why should you?
	Because you know that down the road they're going to run another amnesty.
	Don't forgive me.
	Now, this amnesty, sir, is different than others because it's not just, okay, for three months you all get amnesty, line up at the offices of the INS.
	Now they're saying it's in perpetuity.
	Well, sure, if you're here and you have a job, and when you walk across the border you show up at some ranch and say, hey, hire me, and they hire you, you say, okay, I have a job.
	Well, you obviously lobby.
	What is your advice for my listeners, and there's millions of them,
	What is your advice for my listeners to do to stop this?
	My advice is that the most effective way of communicating with your member of Congress is to write out a letter, a handwritten letter.
	The next most effective way is to send an email.
	I know that that's somewhat counterintuitive because a lot of people think, well, if I pick up the phone, if you pick up the phone, you're going to get some staffer who's 22 years old, and they're just going to check some block that says,
	We're good to go.
	The best bet is to have some form of communication, whether it's a postcard, a letter, or an email, that lets them know how upset you are.
	I have found the best, other than that, the best tactic is when your congressman or woman is coming to meet and greet in their district, which they do all the time, folks.
	It's in the newspaper.
	Oh, absolutely.
	If you can get in front of their face and stand up and say, this is bad public policy.
	What's your position on this?
	I hope you're not supporting this travesty.
	That's absolutely the best way to do it, but those opportunities don't always present themselves.
	Okay, I've got loaded phone lines, and a lot of them were holding before you joined us.
	I'm going to ask my folks running the show, we don't screen calls, but I want to find out who wants to talk to you so we can go to them.
	We're talking about a bunch of different issues.
	Mark, find me some of these callers that want to talk to Mr. Bonner, and we'll go to the others after he's gone, because I want to go to these calls.
	I should have told you that at the break.
	I'm sorry.
	Give us the website again, Mr. Bonner, please.
	It's pretty simple.
	It's noamnesty.com.
	All one word, noamnesty.com.
	Mr. Bonner, I've never seen my listeners as angry about any issue, even gun control, as they are about this.
	I guess people instinctively know this is the end of our sovereignty if they allow this to happen.
	And they're absolutely correct.
	What feeling are you getting, the sense of the Congress?
	Are they going to go along with Bush on this?
	He's getting a lot of opposition from his traditional supporters.
	The conservatives are not happy with this.
	And then, of course, the liberal Democrats are not happy because it doesn't do enough.
	So perhaps between the two of those, we can have a coalition to think this bad idea.
	Mark, who should we go to first here?
	All right.
	All right.
	Barry in Arizona, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Good to talk to you again.
	Alex, hi.
	I'm listening to this conversation, and I have in my hand an article from the Arizona Republic today about how Oregon Pipe, one of our parks here in our state, is being endangered and trampled and ruined because of border crossers, okay?
	But the interesting thing is that Oregon Pipe is part of a U.N.
	biosphere that was one of the great gifts that Clinton gave us, okay?
	So...
	What I'm not hearing in this conversation are issues of jurisdiction, and I want to address that.
	Yeah, that's a good question.
	Why can't the sheriffs, because you can do this for a forest fire or an axe murderer that's loose, why aren't the sheriffs calling up citizens, veterans, a quick week-long training course to go out and help arrest these people and to aid the Border Patrol?
	Why can't that happen?
	I can answer you that.
	Okay, the reason why is because
	In the Constitution, only the President is empowered to do that in his original jurisdiction capacity.
	But Bush is not seated in his original jurisdiction capacity.
	Nobody in our legislatures or in Congress are.
	Because we're, again, like I spoke to you yesterday about... Let me get a comment from our guest on this.
	I want to hear what he thinks about, and yes, the sheriffs and the state governors can do whatever they want.
	They don't need the president to do it.
	You're incorrect.
	Sir, go ahead.
	Actually, they have a law in the books that passed a few years ago that empowered these state and local jurisdictions to assist us.
	If they go through some training, but very few have stepped forward and said they want to do that.
	Most of them say we'd lose the trust of the Hispanic community if we were out there arresting illegals.
	And again, that's not true.
	The majority of Hispanics are with the rest of America.
	They know this is killing the country.
	Yeah, but that's their excuse for not.
	Stepping up to the plate and helping out.
	Yeah, Barry, I'm not trying to sit here and tell you you're wrong, but we don't need the president to tell the governor what he can do.
	Oh, I agree with you, Alex.
	I'm not saying it's right, but I understand what the Constitution says, and I don't know what the state statutes say about that.
	But let me tell you something.
	If that, under the law now, which is a color of law, okay, if Oregon Pipe, for example, is under U.N.
	control and jurisdiction, how is a sheriff...
	The sheriff is waiting at the county line of that national park to arrest those illegals, and they levy taxes to pay for it.
	That's something you're supposed to pay taxes for.
	Exactly.
	All right.
	Thanks for the call.
	We're going to come back with our guests in the final segment of this hour and talk to Roger and Elizabeth for our guests.
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	This is such a big part of the solution.
	We're good to go.
	We're good to go.
	I think?
	For all Border Patrol agents who are in a non-supervisory capacity, all 9,000 of them, he's T.J.
	Bonner, and the website is no amnesty.
	Is it .com or .org, sir?
	.com.
	We've got a link to that on Infowars.com.
	This is a side issue, but I found it really illustrates things for people.
	I'm sure you're aware that foreigners who come here legally get seven to ten years of tax exemption, but most folks aren't aware of that.
	Why do you think, as the head of this major lobby and union, why do you think the government discriminates against citizens in so many ways?
	Boy, you're asking me to crawl inside the head of someone that I don't care to do.
	I really don't know why they come up with these policies that...
	Do you think we can defeat this legislation?
	I think we have to.
	I don't think it's a question of just giving it our best effort.
	I think we absolutely have to defeat this legislation.
	If we want to remain as a sovereign nation, we have to.
	We're not going to have a country if we do this.
	That's precisely...
	My point, if you allow anyone to come in here, then soon we will just become yet another third world nation.
	Mr. Bonner, they're also on record in this legislation saying that they're going to allow companies to bring illegals in legally from anywhere in the world now.
	Right.
	And the scary thing is, the devil's always in the details on these things, but it could be engineered in such a way that they say,
	That if you can't find somebody to work at minimum wage, an American citizen, then you can bring in someone else.
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	You take a skilled trade, you're not going to find someone in the U.S.
	who's willing to lay bricks at minimum wage, but yes, you would find someone from Mexico willing to do that.
	All of our jobs could be taken over by foreigners.
	What this does is drive down the wages where a meat packer got $15 an hour, now they get $8.
	Where a truck driver got $60,000, $70,000 a year, now they're going to get $20.
	I mean, this is destroying us.
	It is.
	And I hear these idiots saying it's a good thing.
	Stay there, Mr. Bonner.
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	He's T.J.
	Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, the union which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents.
	He's called Bush's activities a slap in the face of all Americans in the Border Patrol.
	Let's go to the calls.
	Roger in Pennsylvania, you're on the air with our guest.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, thanks, Jensen.
	I think no one will be able to find any law to preclude average citizens from interdicting any federal criminals, let alone any state law enforcement from doing the same.
	The problem is the FBI will still come after you.
	They do not want people protecting their own private property.
	Well, nor requiring any special training precedent to doing so.
	Now, two questions, please.
	Even the more establishment read a Bush administration friendly analyst pointed out in the last week or two about how totally unworkable Bush's proposals are, among other things, requiring additional vast new bureaucracies to administer the guest worker programs and such.
	And they point out that the systems are already like two years in backlogs and all this already.
	And...
	Roger, it's total capitulation.
	What's your question?
	Yeah, now it's one thing for these local clear channels to grouse on a weekly basis about illegal immigration.
	Yet, do you find yourself with a shortage of interviews or getting turned down at the last minute once you cause real serious embarrassment?
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	Comments, Mr. Bonner?
	Well, it's going to be logistically...
	We're good to go.
	Immigration agents can enforce the laws against hiring people who don't have permission to be here.
	Well, in the last three months, since the Walmart rate of 300, there have been no visits to any companies.
	They need to charge these owners with felonies, and if they start doing that, the jobs will dry up real quick.
	Well, the problem is the law puts the owners on the back of the employer.
	They're the ones who have to come up with... They're charged with...
	Proving that the person is here illegally, and that's not fair.
	They're not the experts.
	Federal agents study for years to pick off counterfeit documents.
	No, I'm not talking about counterfeit documents.
	I'm talking about where they know they're illegals.
	That's what I'm saying, Alex.
	There are 70-some-odd documents that you can...
	So what we do is we come up with one identification that a foreign worker has to have.
	But anybody who was here illegally is deported.
	Can't we do something like Eisenhower did, round up these millions and throw them out of here?
	We could if we had the will.
	And it wouldn't be very hard.
	I guarantee you, you start arresting a couple thousand people a day in every state, the others are going to head for the hills.
	That's what happened last time.
	But when we really boil it down, Mr. Bonner, the government wants it legalized, don't they?
	The government wants, they want to reward the big business owners who want cheap, exploitable labor.
	They want to drive down the wages.
	They want to eliminate the middle class.
	And that's the state of government plan, eliminate the middle class.
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	He's the president of the big union of 9,000 Border Patrol agents, the National Border Patrol Council.
	Got a bunch of news articles with their comments and analysis at InfoWars.com.
	Their site is NoAmnesty.com.
	Mr. Bonner, again, president of the organization, right before the break, you said it.
	That's what I said yesterday.
	This is about, because we have the big corporations saying this on record, getting rid of the middle class, turning this into a third world country.
	That's what the elite want.
	That's what they're doing.
	But still, the average American, I don't think, understands that.
	From what experience do you draw that conclusion?
	Well, you look at the way Mexico has run down, people say, oh,
	Mexico is such a poor country.
	It's not a poor country.
	They have more natural resources than we do.
	The problem with Mexico is all of the money is in the hands of a very few people at the top.
	They have more billionaires, according to Forbes, per capita per population than any country in the world.
	But they don't spread the wealth.
	And I think that some people believe that that's the solution to the...
	That's not the American dream that I grew up.
	Well, sir, you're very eloquent, right to the point.
	Certainly you've heard NPR or the nightly news shows.
	I hear them, Republicans and Democrats.
	Oh, it's good the dollar's plunging.
	Oh, it's good wages are dropping.
	We've had it too good too long.
	We're going to lower ourselves to the other standards.
	This is fair.
	But really, it's just a bunch of elitists setting up a command-and-control system.
	Sure, you don't see them giving up any of their money.
	Absolutely.
	Man, I tell you, we're blessed to have you as the Border Patrol union head.
	Unbelievable.
	I would guess that you're elected?
	Yes.
	Well, that's why.
	This shows.
	This man is a representation of our Border Patrol.
	Before we go to these calls, these final calls, what about the Mexican troops shooting and killing your officers and the federal government?
	I mean, I know that if some right-winger or left-winger killed a Fed, there'd be a task force of 500 Feds hunting them down, their mommy, their daddy, and their greedy, greedy granny.
	But when Border Patrol gets killed or forest agents get killed by Mexican troops or shot at, nothing happens.
	Talk about that.
	Well, even worse than that is if the shoe's on the other foot, nothing happens.
	A good example was there was a Marine Sergeant out in San Diego a few years ago, went down to Tijuana to pick up a couple of his troops who had been disorderly the night before, drove into Mexico in his private truck, and they said, do you have any weapons?
	He said, well, I've got my hunting rifle behind the seat.
	They seized his truck, threw him in jail.
	It took several months with congressional intervention to get him out of Mexican prison.
	Fast forward a few years later,
	Later, in El Paso, Texas, near El Paso, Texas, 14 armed Mexican soldiers in two Humvees firing automatic weapons shot at Border Patrol agents.
	We apprehended them within hours.
	State Department told us let them go.
	Everything went back to Mexico.
	Well, look, I mean, the case you talk about, somebody can have a .22 shell under the seat that they forgot, and they take your car, beat you up, put you in a dirt-bottom jail, store $100,000 out of your family, but nobody weeps and wails about that.
	Oh, that's loving.
	All I'm saying is if they want to play it that way, we should play it the same way.
	Well, sir, I've said that next time Mexican troops open fire, which they do now on a weekly basis on people, we need to have the military down there and wipe them out.
	Generally speaking, when someone crosses your borders with their military and fires upon your citizens, that's an act of war.
	Well, sir, absolutely, this is all just common sense, but...
	You know, they're putting troops on the streets, giving military hardware to police where it shouldn't be.
	The one place it should be is on the Border Patrol.
	Has your union and the 9,000 officers called for armored vehicles and .50 cal weapons and helicopters to engage these enemy forces?
	No, but we have asked for the military to support us.
	Well, why not just militarize the Border Patrol?
	That's totally constitutional.
	I suppose that's one way to do it.
	How about they... Look, how about the governors send the state guards down there, contingents to serve their yearly terms on the weekends with you guys?
	I mean, we need troops down there now.
	Well, I disagree that we need troops to stop illegal immigrants because it takes specialized civilian law enforcement training and you have to understand the language so that you don't get yourself hurt when somebody...
	I was saying have troops there to stop the Mexican troops.
	Okay, I agree with that.
	We'll let you go.
	Okay, let's take three calls.
	We appreciate all your time.
	Let's talk to Elizabeth in Maryland.
	Elizabeth, go ahead.
	Yes, go ahead.
	Yes, Mr. Bonner.
	I think one of your key points is to enlist the middle class at the big voting bloc
	And I think what people don't realize, the border is right out by our front door.
	It's coming closer and closer to all this anarchy.
	And I want to say something that Alex said sometime back, that we had a small window of time to stand up against various things within the New World Order, like the RFID.
	And he encouraged me.
	He was part of my encouragement to start a talk show.
	And I would like to invite Alex and your listeners...
	Stay tuned, especially if you're listening this evening at 1 a.m.
	Eastern Time.
	My little half-hour show has my Christmas character, Barbie, interviewing Fatherland Security.
	And this will continue next week, too.
	Okay, ma'am.
	What else is on your mind about immigration?
	All right.
	I think that it is very imperative that each of us takes our conscience and our will...
	And does what Mr. Bonner said, and we write a letter to our congressman.
	And I think that we have to get out of this apathy.
	And if three million listeners are hearing you, Alex, all three million should do it, not just listen.
	Absolutely.
	Thanks for the call.
	So many people say, oh, we can't do anything, there's nothing we can do.
	That's because you've never gotten off your hind end.
	We'd be in a lot worse shape if it wasn't for people like Mr. Bonner.
	Sir, comments on that?
	Absolutely.
	And if you don't want to write your own letter...
	Visit our website, noamnesty.com.
	There's a pre-canned email that you can send off to the President and to your members of Congress.
	No excuse.
	Jay in Colorado, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, Alex.
	You took my question.
	I was hoping you would talk about the military coming across and kidnapping people.
	Oh, yeah.
	What about kidnapping that family, sir?
	Outrageous.
	Outrageous.
	Could you imagine the outcry if U.S.
	troops had done that with Mexico?
	We would not hear the end of that during our lifetimes.
	And yet, I haven't heard a word about it.
	Just a little bit of media coverage, and it's gone.
	Sir, what did you think, or were you aware that Fox came to Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, gave awards to governors, to police forces.
	I bullhorned him, shut down his speech in his press conference.
	He gave awards to the police and said, thank you for not enforcing the immigration laws and accepting the Council of Matricula.
	That's sad.
	What if Kim Jong Il came here from North Korea and gave awards to people for not, you know, letting him infiltrate?
	The American public needs to be outraged and they need to make their voices heard.
	Okay, Jay, anything else?
	I was wondering if he had some more, no one else really had any more details on what the family, the family of five and the dad was kept and the family was released, what they were charged with and what that guy, you know what I mean, like what,
	What the heck was the reason besides showing they could do it?
	I know someone opined that, but I wonder if Mr. Bonner knew what that guy was even charged with.
	Why they even needed to take him.
	He lived a mile over the border.
	He was shooting at rabbits with a .22, and then for some reason a day later, the Mexican troops thought they had been shot at and came and grabbed the family.
	Is that what you got, Mr. Bonner?
	Yeah, and all I have is what I read in the paper.
	I don't have any inside information on this, unfortunately.
	That guy should sue or something.
	Oh, my.
	Well, it should be on the news.
	I saw Bill O'Reilly last night talking to a principal in New York City, and he was talking about security guards.
	Can we get some cops in there?
	And the principal said, well, we don't want to turn into Camp X-Ray Guantanamo without even missing a beat.
	O'Reilly said, yes, I do.
	Yes, I do.
	Thanks for the call.
	I appreciate it, Jay.
	Your Border Patrol agents routinely get their vehicles shot up.
	What have they been instructed to do when they're shot at by Mexican troops?
	Because I've read they've been told not to return fire.
	Yeah, especially if it's going across the border, they're told you have to be really careful about that.
	So don't shoot back when you're getting shot at.
	Pardon?
	So don't shoot back when you're getting shot at.
	Well, they haven't gone quite that far.
	But they're saying that, look, if you're going to be shooting into Mexico, you can harm innocent people.
	And it's like, well, wait a second, they're shooting into the United States, and there's the odds that they're going to harm someone.
	Well, they've been killing people.
	Let's take one final call.
	David, last caller.
	Go ahead real quick.
	Yes, sir.
	You know, you talk about certain things that make it apparent that you understand.
	Thank you.
	I'm sure you do understand the larger ramifications of this
	I'll hold you over, David, and let you finish up.
	I've got to let our guests go.
	Comments, sir, to what he just said.
	Um... It's...
	Pretty outrageous when Mexico is parading its military force and actually using their military to serve as a foil for the drug runners.
	But until the United States stands up and says this is unacceptable, it will continue.
	All right.
	Mr. Bonner, President of the Big Border Union, Border Patrol Union, thanks for spending time with us.
	Take care.
	Thank you.
	Bye.
	We'll be back, folks.
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	We're going to go right back to calls and back into more of the news here.
	But what an amazing interview with the head of the Border Patrol Union, talking about plans to get rid of the middle class, plans of the elite, end of America, end of sovereignty.
	I mean, these are the exact things I say on this show, because it's what's happening, folks.
	It's the reality.
	We're about to go back to David in Michigan and Rhonda in Missouri, because they've been holding so long.
	And then I'm told Don in Pennsylvania disagrees with me or something, so you'll be next after them and then Mark and others.
	David in Michigan, making great points.
	Go ahead and continue.
	Sir, well, what I wanted to say, and I wanted to say this if I could to Mr. Bonner, but people that you interview on these subjects, a lot of times they see these things in isolation because they're so close to the thing.
	But it sounded like he does understand that what this is really about is the end of national sovereignty and the fact that you have people getting arrested for invoking their rights under our laws
	Yet our people somehow go to Mexico, including our president.
	We're expected to make concessions so that we can be more like them.
	And at the future of all of this, George W. Bush is not acting out of stupidity.
	And Vicente Fox is giving speeches saying, I'm taking America over.
	He's got armed troops marching along the border, publicly saying we're taking things back, putting out bounties on Border Patrol agents' heads.
	And it's so cute.
	It's so funny.
	Look.
	GW is doing what he's there to do, just as Clinton was doing the same thing, that we were outraged about these things.
	Somehow the neocon talk show hosts, now they're making noise about it when it doesn't matter anymore.
	Let us burn out our anger and talk about this until we're tired and then we'll go on.
	But we could have done something about this before Bush actually pulled this off.
	There could have been so much rage and there could have been so much interest in the public that they might have
	Well, Bush has to... Bush, you know, he's saying he may not even need Congress, but yes, he does, and we're not going to let him do that.
	Thank you.
	Thanks for the call.
	Let's talk to Rhonda in Missouri.
	Rhonda, go ahead.
	Hi, Alex.
	Hey.
	You're my big berkey to this toxic stream of information we have to listen to all the time.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, boiling up these borders ought to make Alcater easy to find.
	Doesn't that ought to make it easier to find them Alcater boys?
	Them Alcaters.
	We've got to give all our rights up because Alcater will get us.
	Let's open the border up.
	Let's just legalize them all.
	You know, people say, well, CNN can't expose the PNAC document, and Fox can't expose Clinton's involvement in putting HIV into the blood supply.
	Because evil can't cast out evil.
	Because, like you say all the time, they're two arms of the same beast.
	And what prompted me to call was your opening remarks at the beginning of the show.
	And I agree with a lot of what you said.
	And what I've come to discover is, what faith does it take to wait until you see the Lord Jesus Christ before you speak the truth?
	I figure I won't see him unless I do speak the truth.
	You know, because the Lord is the truth.
	And I see it as my duty, if I want to bring heaven to earth, to bring it, let the Lord come through me.
	And He is the living vine.
	And, you know, all this talk about, well, you know, the Lord's got to return.
	I'm seeing more and more is He don't got to return to me, it's I got to return to Him.
	We create hell on earth by going along with evil and not standing up against it.
	And we can create heaven on earth, too, just like you.
	The things you've gone through, you know, being kidnapped by their, you know, goblins and, you know, speaking out the truth, you know, the Lord's protected you.
	Not because he's somewhere else.
	Because he's here.
	Oh, I have no doubt of that.
	Thanks for the call, Rhonda.
	Yeah, you talk about his goblins.
	That's when I asked Bush a question about the CFR, and they kidnapped me for 45 minutes and threw me out on the side of the highway.
	There's video of that in Police State 3 Total Enslavement.
	Let's go to Don in Pennsylvania, and Don will hold you over, so don't hang up during the break.
	You say I don't have credibility or something?
	No, no, I apologize.
	No, I want you to.
	I want you to disagree with me.
	I don't look.
	Go ahead.
	I've been listening to your show since August 15th.
	You've opened my eyes to a few things.
	I have a concern I want to bring up to you as a friend here.
	Look, you had said a few days back something about how, it was a small snippet of information, how with all these companies facing all these crises of stock games and insider trading and all this stuff, you had mentioned how the Enron hadn't gotten in any trouble because they were Bush buddies.
	Yeah, this is not a head guy they're prosecuting right now.
	It's not?
	No, it's just a little side minion.
	You're not going to see anything happen to Kenneth Lay.
	My point was, is they're going after Martha Stewart for nothing, while not going after all the... I mean, look at the stuff Halliburton's doing right now.
	All the scams they're engaged in, right out in plain view.
	Stay there, Don.
	Yeah.
	I'll come back to you after the break and talk about this, and we'll talk to Mark, and then I'm going to go into news and back into calls.
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	All right, folks.
	A ton of news, key info coming up, but let's finish up with some calls right now.
	Don in Pennsylvania was calling in and said,
	I volunteered to the folks answering the phone that he thinks I've lost some credibility.
	Then once we got him on air, we're trying to find out exactly what he's saying.
	What I'm telling you, sir, is that everybody at the high levels in Enron needs to have already been tried and convicted.
	It's so obvious what they did.
	They're a giant offshore money laundering operation.
	But instead, you've had a few top-level people in Arthur Anderson and Enron with their heads blown off.
	And you've got mid-level executives, the assistants of top-level people, vice presidents and people, who are going to take the ride to the federal Hilton or the federal Hyatt and spend a few years and then get right back out and be right back in it.
	And that's what they've done in the past with the SNL scams and all of it.
	They just do this over and over again.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, thanks, Tom.
	I wasn't meaning to attack you.
	Well, I'll let you do.
	I was just concerned that maybe you had said something that turned out to be different than what you'd said.
	Apparently, though, I wasn't paying enough attention to the information I heard on the news today.
	I've actually got the article here about going after one of the executives, and it is an executive, but it's not Ken Lay or the other top people.
	Okay, okay.
	The point I was making last week about these corporate scammers, the show I think you heard, was it last week?
	I think so.
	It was a few days ago.
	What I said was they're going after, yeah, it was last Friday with the international forecaster Bob Chapman on.
	We were talking about after-hours trading.
	By Martha Stewart, that didn't even amount to a million dollars, that is unethical but not illegal, and I've seen the law.
	Meanwhile, we've got Bush with Harkin Energy dumping all his stock right before they imploded the company.
	That clearly was illegal.
	So it's a joke.
	Martha Stewart isn't even on the Richter scale compared to the big scams of Halliburton and Enron.
	I just saw something on the news this morning.
	Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention.
	I didn't catch the name of who it was.
	I thought it was one of the higher-ups.
	And I just wanted to call and say hey.
	Well, that's how they phrase it.
	That's how they phrase it.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I got you.
	Thanks for the call, bud.
	I learned something.
	Thanks.
	I appreciate the call.
	Good to hear from you.
	Man, I thought that was somebody who was mad at me.
	Those make for great calls.
	I get mad at those calls, but they are interesting.
	I like to hear why folks think I'm wrong, but no, they're not bringing the real corporate criminals to justice.
	Bottom line.
	Let me give you a few examples of that, and we'll take some more calls.
	Here's a couple examples of that.
	Okay?
	This is from KHOU Television.
	Halliburton trainees complain they're not being paid.
	And it says, Channel 11 News,
	While we are here, we are not being compensated with pay, said one worker.
	And he won't be until his work in Iraq for a month.
	He's a truck driver who asked not to be identified.
	He's been in Houston since December 14th.
	And he goes on to talk about how they were promised pay and then weren't given it or being strung along and are sent to Iraq and not paid.
	I mean, that's like indentured servant.
	But compared to that, I remember a story last year when Halliburton went in there and took over most of the contracts.
	They will not let Iraqis sell beer, fish, dates, palm granites, everything on the street corners unless, and this was in Baghdad, Chalibi, unless they go to Chalibi and sign up with Halliburton and pay Halliburton a percentage, a license to be able to work.
	And then they have to wear an RFID bracelet or necklace.
	And then I, a little microchip, and then I had to scan who they are and if they're registered.
	And then a week later I saw an Associated Press photo, an accompanying article, of a truck full of men with bags over their heads.
	And it said these men were caught selling items without provisional government authorization, and so now they're being taken to the Baghdad airport as terrorists.
	And it listed what they've been caught selling, beer and fish.
	Now, are you starting to get an idea?
	They're confiscating their guns, something Saddam didn't do.
	How could Saddam stand there in a crowd of thousands with AK-47s?
	You know, 10 yards from people below them with loaded weapons firing them in the air.
	Again, I want you to think about that.
	And I'm not saying he's a good guy, but they were freer there with the Second Amendment, their own Second Amendment, than we are here today.
	And he's a dictator, and he's so wicked.
	Wow, he must have really been hated, folks.
	But the point is, they're taking their guns, they're taking everything.
	And listen to this.
	Contractors serve troops dirty food in dirty kitchens.
	This is out of the French news agency.
	Also have one here out of the Taipei Times.
	It says, the Pentagon reportedly warned contractor Halliburton KBR that the food it served to U.S.
	troops in Iraq was dirty, that's the quote, as were the kitchens it was served, NBC News reported on Friday.
	Halliburton, Kellogg, Brown, and Roots promises to improve have not been followed through, quote, according to a Pentagon report that warned serious repercussions may result that the contractor did not clean up.
	The Pentagon reported finding blood all over the floor, dirty...
	Pans, dirty grills, dirty salad bars, rotting meats and vegetables.
	And for the military messes, the company operates in Iraq, NBC said, citing Pentagon documents.
	I'm just trying to give you an idea of Halliburton.
	Did you know I saw an article last year where, when the invasion had just been successful, where it said the federal government will not allow water filters to be shipped to the troops.
	They won't pay for them.
	Instead, Halliburton trucks water from Kuwait in trucks, and it's making the troops sick.
	Because why?
	Halliburton makes more money trucking in tankers of water than sending the troops water filters that every other military issues their troops.
	He's starting to get the picture here.
	And...
	By the way, the Pentagon now makes the troops pay for their meals.
	This has never been done, but over half of the meals they eat, they must purchase.
	Oh, support the troops.
	Oh, yeah, this is while they're breathing depleted uranium.
	But you think, you know, what's the big deal with that?
	This is what they're doing to the troops.
	Halliburton, there's been no bids allowed.
	Halliburton and its subsidiaries got all the contracts.
	Bechtel and Dyncor and the rest of them all got the contracts.
	Nobody else did.
	Then when Heath got put on them for not allowing bids, they said, we're not going to give them Frenchies any contracts.
	That was a red herring.
	No one's been given contracts.
	Not American companies, no one.
	No one but these three groups with Halliburton getting over 80% of it.
	So then there's the red herring on the news of, are we going to let those evil French have some of the contracts?
	No, no, no.
	You see, when they get caught not allowing contracts for American companies, they put the red herring out of, we can't allow the French to get it, see, and then they keep a closed shop.
	This is how they deceive you.
	Great example of that.
	And, folks, that's not even the beginning of it.
	I have a Salon Magazine article here in front of me.
	And I bet you didn't know that Halliburton makes rockets and satellites.
	Well, they didn't, but Bush's new giant $80 billion over the next decade NASA increase he's scheduled to announce today, but I've got the details right here.
	Guess who's going to get the money?
	That's right, Halliburton.
	I mean, it's just like a giant private cash machine.
	Of course, they caught Halliburton charging over double what fuel cost and not allowing others to bring fuel in to sell it to the Army.
	Oh, and then they found the fuel had had water mixed into it.
	I mean, you talk about a criminal looting, folks.
	That's what's happening.
	And then Limbaugh gets on the air and goes, the liberals are attacking Halliburton.
	No, all the liberal leadership are in on the cash cow.
	Halliburton on Mars, take me to your CEO.
	When President Bush inspires us onward and upward to Mars this week, his political calculations may be more earthly.
	Expanding space exploration is a wonderful aspiration for America's humanity.
	I agree.
	And also quite promising for the Houston economy, the national aerospace industry, and one company in particular that has long pondered exploration of the red planet, Halliburton.
	Yes, the firm once headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, fabled beneficiary of the no-bid multi-billion dollar military contracts and high-priced provider of Kuwaiti oil, is determined to drill on Mars and the Moon.
	Surely this scheme has nothing to do with the Bush Space Initiative, but somehow, no matter what worthy motivations lie behind the President's policies, he and Cheney always appear to be shifting with the corporate clientele.
	And then they get into the article here.
	In 1998, a handful of top firms, including Halliburton Shell and Schlumberger, showed up for NASA's workshop at Los Alamos in Mexico.
	And I looked into this this morning.
	What they're doing is...
	They're not going to go drill on Mars or the moon.
	They're going to have giant multi-million dollar test stations where instead of having a three million dollar oil drilling rig, it'll be billions because it's designed specifically for Mars.
	And they won't even be drilling.
	They'll just be out in the desert doing tests.
	See?
	I mean, this is just craziness, folks.
	And...
	I think?
	We're good to go.
	Let's go back to the calls.
	Now I don't know who's up next.
	It's my fault, as usual.
	Who's up next, Mark?
	Mark in Texas, then Rodney and others.
	Go ahead, Mark.
	Hey, Alex.
	Hello.
	I wanted to make a couple of points.
	Your previous caller, Rhonda, alluded to two arms of the same beast.
	I caught the tail end of your cable access show here in Austin last night.
	You were speaking to a couple of University of Texas students about a textbook, sociology textbook, that made reference to the New World Order.
	At the tail end of their call, one of them had mentioned the symbology on Fox, some of the symbols on Fox.
	For those that don't know, this textbook, we had a bunch of callers about it, and I don't doubt it because I've seen so much stuff in the news, said we're going to go under martial law, new world order, if you try to leave the city you'll be machine gunned, it's good.
	And I did get the ISBN number, by the way, and that is a real textbook.
	Yeah.
	What I felt was crucial in helping people understand the two arms of the same beast is this symbology between
	That's right under our nose, right in front of our face.
	You made mention of CBS and some other AOL.
	Yeah, the Time Warner symbol is the eye of Lucifer.
	Same thing that's on the dollar bill.
	It says New World Order under it.
	And then Rush Limbaugh says there's no New World Order.
	Exactly.
	And it's just...
	It's just so blatant and in your face.
	Hey, they've got a new Army of One ad.
	I heard about it, went online and watched it.
	They have a new Army of One ad.
	I forgot to tell my webmaster to post that.
	Paul or Violet, post that.
	That's important.
	New Army of One ad where it goes, I was a Russian Spetsnaz.
	Now I am here in America and going to help you.
	I mean, now the foreign troops are on the Army of One ads.
	It's absolutely insane.
	I think we're good to go.
	The symbology now on Fox, they've just changed a bunch of their graphics.
	Now, they're also mixing football reports with war like it's entertainment.
	Very sick.
	And MTV is now, I've seen the articles callers were calling about last night, are flashing Global Army, take over, power rage.
	You know, flashing all these images.
	And the kids are all, power rage, war.
	It's just getting nuts.
	I think it would be an important segment in your next documentary film to include,
	I think we need to start thinking in
	And how we can reach more people with one fail swoop, whether it's going into chat rooms, whether it's breaking through these call screeners at these neocon talk shows.
	We need to start thinking about how many people can we reach at once.
	Think about that.
	These big national shows screen the calls.
	If you get through and expose them as phony conservatives, they will claim you are a seminar caller, that you don't exist.
	I've had it happen to me.
	I've had them claim I'm a Democratic Party plant because I exposed Bush for wanting to sign the assault weapons ban.
	Thanks for taking my call, Alex.
	Hey, good to hear from you.
	We'll break, come back with more news and more calls.
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	Court upholds use of random police roadblocks.
	Supreme Court, four dead in a suicide bombing, facing a biometric future, BBC, the world ID card.
	Bush to seek unmanned mission to the moon this decade, as well as Mars.
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	civil rights groups vow to fight color-coding of air passengers.
	That goes into the World ID card.
	And more.
	First off, court upholds use of random police roadblocks.
	They say that's not a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
	And they say as long, and it's a reissuance of what they said last year.
	They keep ruling like this.
	Well, as long as you violate everybody's rights, it's not discrimination.
	It's fair.
	Just search everyone, dig through everyone, and it's okay.
	Folks, that's not what the Bill of Rights says.
	But again, people don't know the Bill of Rights.
	They don't know our history.
	So, oh, it must be good.
	Court upholds use of random police roadblocks.
	The Supreme Court yesterday upheld the use of random roadblocks by police to track suspected criminals.
	Oh, see, now it's the tracks of suspected criminals saying limited checkpoints do not violate the constitutional right and privacy of motorists.
	Having somebody demand you get out of your car, they're going to search you.
	In a 6-3 decision, the high court overturned an Illinois Supreme Court ruling that said 97 alcohol-related arrests of a motorist at a roadblock set up by police to collect tips about a hit-and-run driver, oh, there's always for that, violated the man's Fourth Amendment guaranteed against illegal search and seizure.
	Folks, the feds preemptively announced national checkpoints for Christmas and other holidays, New Year's and Thanksgiving.
	And they've upheld that.
	Are those national search warrants that are announced?
	Is that to stop hit-and-run drivers?
	No, it's to search people's vehicles, as the National Seatbelt Initiative Act of 1998 funded it $4 billion a year.
	To set up checkpoints, to train us to accept checkpoints, to then set up polling, that is toll roads, to get us ready for that and to fund that and to federalize your local police.
	Have you got the Amber Alert?
	It had nothing to do with Amber.
	I've had the former top FCC people on, you know, who are now retired, admitting that it's a control grid to have the feds take over radio and TV.
	So, just so amazing that that's happening.
	And there's this article here out of the BBC.
	I remember about four years ago, I read the articles where the UN called for a world ID card.
	Now, you'll still have your driver's license, which is a Fiat national ID card with federal standards of biometrics and a face scan, a thumbprint, a strip on the back to be used for the new national sales tax.
	But that is set according to the international treaty.
	All the cards go into the same database system and are integrated.
	And we all hear about, oh, the foreigners now have to thumbprint and face scam when they come into the country.
	Yeah, but when you leave the country, you've got to do it too.
	See, it's a world ID card.
	They set this up last year.
	They admitted it.
	They talked about it four years ago.
	But again, they don't call it open borders.
	They don't call it end of sovereignty.
	They call it amnesty.
	Or they say don't call it amnesty.
	They call it guest worker.
	They don't call it the Pan-American Union.
	They call it the free trade area of the Americas.
	They label things differently.
	Facing a biometric future, by the middle of next year, the British passport could be quite different than the document currently waived at Immigration.
	As part of growing concerns about national and global security, immigration and asylum, as well as a plain old identity theft, the old UK travel document will not just carry a photograph, it will also have a microchip in it.
	The chip will hold biometric data, unique psychological or behavioral characteristics.
	Oh, see all the data from what you buy and do.
	And will be mandatory in passports renewed from 2007 to 2008.
	For mid-2005, the data will be in the form of a digital photograph, which will be matched with the passport's chip.
	And it goes on and on.
	And our government's doing it, too.
	So, there you go, boys and girls.
	That's the new system.
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	Welcome back, folks.
	Now into the third hour of this January 14, 2004 edition, this Wednesday edition.
	We've got loaded phone lines here.
	I want to go to your calls, and then I'm going to get back into the news.
	IRS gives no quarter.
	Business owner faces life in prison for tax stance.
	Also, bid to keep state off doctor's case rejected.
	That is the case of Dr. Ramona Miller.
	If you haven't heard about this, you'll definitely want to stay tuned.
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	Right now, let's go ahead and talk to Rodney in Texas.
	Rodney, welcome.
	I'm doing it.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	You bet.
	I was interested in that article that you read about the Supreme Court ruling 63 to allow these checkpoints to be set up.
	And the reason why I was interested is, in the article you were saying that there were random checkpoints, correct?
	Well, what I'm saying is that there have been a bunch, they've been ruling multiple times yearly on different types of checkpoints.
	They say if you're looking for drunks, you can do it.
	If you're looking for drugs, you can do it.
	Now it's, oh, in this case, if you think there's a hit-and-run driver, you can search everybody's cars.
	I mean, it's ridiculous.
	The cars don't even look the same.
	The feds have funded whole days nationally where, you know, the news announces there will be thousands of checkpoints in the state this week.
	You know, they have federally funded random checkpoints.
	Then the Supreme Court says, oh, you can keep the checkpoints going if it's for a specific thing you're looking for.
	But then they've also ruled they can have the big random ones.
	Yeah, I just don't understand.
	You know, I was listening to your guest, Mr. Bonner.
	Yeah, I wish we had checkpoints on the border.
	Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
	You know, why don't you take some of those random checkpoints and put them down there on the border?
	I mean, you know in that one county in Arizona that you mentioned that you got over one million coming into that state alone.
	So why don't you put some of those random checkpoints down there rather than harass, you know, your Americans who are legally here in this country over...
	You know, insignificant things like maybe having an open can of beer, you know, in the front seat.
	Well, the other thing is, why do you give foreigners 10 years, 7 to 10 years of tax exemption on income tax?
	Why don't citizens get that?
	Well, the news doesn't tell people about that, so they don't know.
	You know, and I have actually witnessed that.
	I've lived in neighborhoods where you had businesses, neighborhood, you know, little Ma and Paul businesses put out
	...of business because the foreigners came in because they had these seven and ten year tax breaks.
	They were allowed to undercut, you know, in terms of prices, undercut these Ma and Paul businesses, put them out of businesses.
	Now they have the monopoly.
	And meanwhile, an American...
	A citizen challenges withholding, goes public, and they're about to give him life in prison.
	But if you're a foreigner, hey, no taxes for you, baby.
	Yeah, see, this really angers me, and there's one other thing that I want to touch on.
	Well, what angers me is the foreigners are creating a monopoly of motels, hotels, and gas stations and grocery stores.
	They're going to own everything.
	That is by design.
	Well, on Salon.com, I was looking at an article where they were saying Bush was trying to sell his free trade to the Latin American countries.
	Well, the Orange County Register back in November ran an article saying that out of 27 Latin American countries, upwards of 75% of those people over there hate George Bush with a passion.
	Now they have started to associate Americans with all the bad things.
	That have came as a result of so-called free trade.
	And by the way, they pointed out that poverty is up in all 27 of those countries.
	Look, look, look.
	This so-called open border stuff is bad for everybody.
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	All right, let's go right back to these calls because the callers bring up different issues from different angles and really gives us a good view of what's going on and make a lot of wonderful points.
	Ron, and then Brad, and Malta, Gene, Alki, and Hawaii.
	Everybody stay there.
	We're going to get to you.
	Ron in New York.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, Alex.
	You're on the air.
	You were correct when you said that equality is not just the purpose of the Constitution.
	It's supposed to be not an equality of abuse of the citizens, but an equality of the enabling and the liberty of the citizens.
	The Supreme Court says as long as there's an equality of views, that as long as you search everyone on the highway, it's good.
	That's like saying, you know, Hitler isn't bad now because we found out he killed all Jews.
	If one Jew wouldn't have escaped, it would have been good because he didn't discriminate.
	He killed all of them.
	The Supreme Court no longer holds legitimacy as a judicial or political institution when two of its more senior members come out and make public pronouncements.
	That their decisions should be based on international and foreign law as opposed to our Constitution.
	Sir, sir, four of them have said they're going to follow foreign courts, and the majority of the court has ruled citing foreign cases, so it's not two of them.
	Okay, well, it's even worse than I thought.
	But that just proves my point all the more.
	Sir, I've been seeing him say this for at least eight years since I got really informed and got on the air.
	And let me tell you something.
	I have been accused so many times, I would say the Supreme Court's following you in law, following, oh, you're a liar, shut up.
	But now it's been all over the news, hasn't it?
	Alex, with reference to the most recent ruling yesterday with the checkpoints for automobiles for the purposes of investigating unsolved past crimes.
	Now, how cleverly it's put, and if you look at that ruling, you'll see
	Unsolved past crimes.
	Anybody who was in law enforcement, or probably anybody who even watches TV, will know that there are a zillion unsolved past crimes.
	The ruling didn't stipulate that even the crime that they might be stopping you for has to be one in an immediate time proximity.
	They could set up a roadblock to check out a grocery store shooting from 1967.
	Also...
	They are saying that, look, the point here is the Fed, since 1998, paid $4 billion a year to pay the states to have checkpoints on a regular basis.
	They've announced it on the news.
	Oh, we've got this federal program.
	We're going to be running hundreds of checkpoints in the city, thousands in the states.
	And so how can the Supreme Court then claim, oh, well, it's okay because it's looking for past crimes?
	Alex, my point is this.
	That if you have a zillion past unsolved crimes, that means you will almost in perpetuity, if you choose to, the state can have road checkpoints set up because there'll be a zillion reasons on a zillion occasions to set these checkpoints up.
	And let me stop you.
	They got federal and state-funded, that is, state that are federally funded handbooks.
	I've got dozens and dozens.
	I've probably got a hundred of them, folks.
	And law enforcement magazines and publications where if you've got an anti-UN bumper sticker, it says, go ahead and take them into jail.
	They might be a terrorist.
	Or, oh, you've got a road almanac or world atlas.
	Might be a terrorist.
	The FBI said, this is our excuse to go ahead and take people in.
	Well, how many of you have road atlases in your car?
	It's any excuse.
	It's any excuse to get their hooks into us.
	That's correct.
	You really don't think, and I don't think your audience is so naive as to think that these checkpoints will largely be set up to find out about old grocery store robberies.
	They will be used as a dragnet to call as many violations and arrests as they can and inquiries as they can for everything else.
	Other than that.
	Okay, okay.
	The National Seatbelt Initiative Program, that I have the images of the document in Police State 2000, my first police state film, it says that it is to get us used to checkpoints, to set up internal toll roads that are state-manned, and also with volunteers, citizen volunteers at them, and it says these checkpoints are a great way to look for guns and drugs.
	You got it.
	And not only that,
	As much as they've been doing it, now with this ruling, they have an excuse to even do it far more than they have, and they've been doing it too much.
	And the Supreme Court also ruled on Monday that they can keep the name secret of who they've arrested as citizens and not release them.
	Well, you know what that's about, Alex?
	As it turns out, those detainees, none of them since 2001 have been charged with a crime.
	I've come to this conclusion on my own.
	The federal government made a big mistake.
	If they could keep these people in jail until they die, they figure they could avoid any civil liability or lawsuits if they let them out, and that's what they're going to do, probably, in my opinion.
	Now, another thing, too.
	If the Illinois... This is another habit of the Supreme Court lately.
	If a state chooses to give its citizen more protection and more liberty above and beyond the minimums of the U.S.
	Constitution, that has been understood since time immemorial that any state has a right to do that.
	It would seem to me, in this case, as in many, many others,
	Illinois chose to give its citizens greater protection from police intrusion, yet the Supreme Court chose to intervene and override Illinois, the state of Illinois, the courts of Illinois.
	Absolutely.
	Thanks for the call, Ron.
	I appreciate it.
	Let's talk to Brad in Illinois.
	Brad, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	I had the radio on.
	Hey, I just wanted to call about talking about Illinois.
	And yesterday, Chicago Sun-Times, our communist governor, showed his true colors by telling the state legislature that he wants passed the 40-hour mandatory community service for all high school students attending public school in Illinois before they can graduate.
	And that's the National Service Act.
	The compulsory national draft that's in there, and it's going to turn into dozens of hours a week, digging ditches, picking up trash, watching tattletale computer monitors, feeding them the surveillance cameras around town.
	That's what your young children are going to be trained in, how to be an East German Stasi.
	Now, my son graduated last year, and they had a less restrictive...
	Absolutely.
	A program in the school he went to and he didn't go through it.
	I told the school he wasn't going to go through it.
	My daughter's upset.
	What gets me is in the letter, in the article, one of the social engineers that works for this commie, another communist, made the comment, he said, that at first the students seem to resist this program because they don't understand what we are trying to accomplish.
	I called my state representative.
	I fired a letter off the three newspapers.
	And I tried to get a hold of this guy who made this comment.
	But I told my state representative.
	I said, the reason why the students resist us at first is because they want to be paid for their services just like all of you people do.
	And I said, what does he mean by they don't understand what we are trying to do?
	Also, they're going to take your daughter, and again, the federal proposed stuff is thousands of hours.
	We're talking 8, 10 hours a week.
	You want to live in the Soviet Union?
	You're living in it, folks!
	Well, it's not going to happen in this household.
	And the last thing I want to say before I go, and I've been on the John Stattmiller Show and the Power Hour, and I've said it there and I've said it for a few years now to people at work, and that is this.
	One of the ways that all of your listeners, everybody out there, can help fight back against these people, writing letters to the newspaper is a good one, but they've got to get in the frame of mind to stop supporting them
	Hey, look, look, look.
	It's already started.
	Most people won't go to a basketball or football game because they're tired of supporting a bunch of drug-dealing rapists.
	And so they just charge the cult members even more, you know, 200 bucks for a back row seat.
	But yeah, look, people are tuning out of the mainstream media.
	They are tuning into alternative press.
	People are waking up.
	But they just keep putting out the illusion that we're all buying it.
	And the good news is, we're not buying it, brother.
	Well, that's right, we're not.
	My brother's a truck driver.
	And he says, you can't believe the new cars that got stocked up in the farmer's fields up in Michigan.
	He says, there's just rows and rows of them in farmer's fields.
	He says, don't give me this garbage about they're selling these cars.
	He says, they're not selling.
	Okay, well, thanks a lot, and keep up the good work.
	Absolutely.
	I appreciate the call.
	And you're like, well, that'll hurt our economy.
	Folks, don't be part of their system.
	And you know what?
	Get your children out of the public schools.
	There's no way to fix them, okay?
	It just don't get worse.
	And they're trying to outlaw homeschooling.
	Better do it while you can.
	We're coming to the point of hiding underground, you know, just like...
	You know, in Nazi Germany, you know, people hiding in the back room.
	I mean, it's really coming to that.
	These sicko social engineers.
	Folks, I have the UT textbook they use at UT, the Calhoun Reader.
	I've read it on air many times.
	It says, this is the CPS manual.
	People go into school to be CPS.
	The family is the enemy of the state.
	It must be eliminated.
	The family must be broken up.
	The children belong to us.
	And a caller called in and talked about it.
	I was sent the link to it.
	I've seen it.
	IBM runs an ad.
	Where they go, the future will not be... In the future, the strong or the intelligent will not survive.
	Only children of the world adopted by the global system.
	If you do not change, if you do not alter, you will die.
	I mean, they're running ads talking about you will die if you don't accept the change that's coming.
	And they've got Army of One ads going, I am a Russian Spetsnaz.
	Now I serve in the U.S.
	Army.
	Army of One!
	I mean, we've known the foreign troops were here.
	Now it's, I am Russian, and I am here for you.
	And they hire the former KGB general to run Homeland Security with the internal passport system.
	I mean, that's admitted.
	It's all craziness.
	It's all total and complete massive insanity.
	By the way, when you talk about massive insanity, I told myself at this point in the show today, I saw it after the break, I would explain something that happened on the show yesterday that is incredibly ridiculous and hilarious.
	And so I'm going to tell this story briefly when we get back.
	Because yesterday I wanted to re-air this interview in the last hour with a cloning doctor.
	Talking about New Jersey legalizing taking clones through birth and then after birth and using them for body parts.
	But wait till you hear it.
	It's just funny.
	I've got to talk about this.
	And I knew I'd get some emails.
	I did get a couple.
	Because the way it sounded on air, because I was driving down the road, leaving the studio listening, it sounded so nuts.
	It was something else.
	We'll come back.
	I'll tell you about that, too.
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	From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
	It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
	All right.
	I just want to hammer through these calls because I do want to get into more of this news.
	Let's go to them quickly.
	Gene in Florida.
	Gene, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, sir.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	I wanted to know, do you want to know...
	Supposedly a conservative talk show that's replaced you here for 30 minutes, the scam they run.
	They're not really conservative is what I'm getting at.
	Where are you in Florida?
	Pensacola.
	Oh, are you talking, yeah, that, they carry, those are great stations.
	They carry me at night, I think all three hours.
	Oh, I just called, I called them wanting to know if they wanted to complain, and they told me no and hung up.
	Well, I mean, are you talking about WVTJ?
	Yep.
	Yeah, well, what happens is I believe they still carry all three hours at night.
	Yeah, they do.
	On one of their sister stations.
	So, I mean, that's pretty good right there.
	That covers, you know, hundreds of square miles.
	And then they've gone over the years from an hour in the day to two hours during the day.
	How much are they carrying during the day right now?
	They carry you sometimes 15 minutes from 1145 to 12.
	And then sometimes, depending on what they've got scheduled from –
	About 12, 10 to 1.
	Sometimes they'll cut in for even a half hour.
	So I'm on still about an hour every day during the day?
	Yep.
	Yeah, look, I think I've gotten calls on this.
	I get called, Jay Sekulow, right?
	Yeah.
	And they tell you how good the Patriot Act is, and if you're not for the Patriot Act... Well, I can tell you how they run the scam.
	I've called them four times with three different questions.
	They run the same scam every time.
	Okay, tell me about it.
	They'll tell you, well, that sounds like a good question, but all our phones are real busy right now.
	Why don't you let me record it, and then when we don't have anybody talking...
	I'll go ahead and put it on for them.
	Yeah, I know.
	But isn't that Christian to screen your call out every time and claim that they just didn't have time to get you on?
	That's right.
	I can get movie stars on this show.
	I can get senators on this show in about a week.
	But I've called 20 times, and Jay Sekulow's people say, he's too important to come on my show.
	Hey, listen, bottom line, if you're not for gun control and open borders and the Patriot Act, you're a liberal.
	You're a devil worshiper.
	He likes to brag about having... He wrote part of the Patriot Act.
	He likes to brag about that?
	You didn't know that?
	Oh, yeah, I had seen that.
	Okay.
	But understand, folks, that we don't pay to be on the air there.
	Jay Sekulow does, and we've had a lot of this happen.
	We've had Sekulow take our time on a lot of stations to the point of I'm starting to think it's on purpose, and we need people to call the sponsors, support them, sponsor shows locally, go spend money with those radio stations.
	Especially stations we've been on like four years, like WVTJ, but I don't want to gripe at the station because they've already got me on three hours a night.
	They just upset me when they said they didn't even want to hear a complaint.
	They didn't even know the program I was wanting to complain about.
	The young lady just said, no, we're not interested, and slammed the phone down.
	Well, folks get stressed out.
	Okay.
	I've talked to the folks at that station.
	They're great people, but again... They need to have a different lady answering the phone, I'll tell you that.
	Well, call them and tell them that.
	All right.
	Anything else on your mind?
	No, sir.
	Yeah, Jay Sekulow is an absolute piece of filth.
	I mean, look, he says the Patriot Act is Christian.
	I've actually tuned in and heard it.
	Because they re-aired it at night here in Austin.
	I listen to Christian radio, okay?
	And I just can't listen to it anymore.
	It's satanic.
	It's anti-Christ.
	And I'm not just talking about his show.
	So many of these shows are lying, deceptive whores of the New World Order.
	The Patriot Act being used against Rush Limbaugh.
	The Patriot Act being used against county commissioners.
	The Patriot Act being used against zit-faced teenagers.
	Okay?
	And Sekulow tried to claim it wasn't.
	Now he admits it is and says it's good and brags about how he wrote parts of it.
	That is shameful.
	That is devilish.
	So they're lying to you.
	This is war.
	Why don't you call into that show and lie and go, I just think Bush is so wonderful and I want to talk about it.
	You'll be on the air.
	And then you'll prove that they're liars.
	I don't know.
	He won't defend his propaganda.
	Okay, now I don't want to get off into side issues here, folks, but I'm sick of it.
	So if you want that off stations where they're covering us up with it, take your carpet business or whatever your business is and go down there and plop down some money.
	And I know we've got listeners.
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	Alright, ladies and gentlemen, now into the home stretch with two segments left.
	I'm going to talk to four more callers and that's it because I've got some important IRS news and some other stuff here we want to go over.
	Let's talk to Alki in Hawaii.
	Welcome to the airwaves.
	Hello, can you hear me?
	Yes, I can.
	Okay, here's
	Okay, Bush is going to Mars, right?
	Well, I wish he would go to Mars, but no, he wants to send a... I thought he said Mars.
	Did he say Mars or not?
	Okay, Bush, as of right now, hasn't made the announcement yet.
	The White House said a month ago they were going to make the announcement.
	They said it again last week.
	And yes, they say they're going to go to Mars and the moon.
	Because here's my predictions.
	I predict that the current...
	Car or rover that's on Mars right now.
	I think it's going to find oil.
	That's what I think.
	And then I think Bush is going to try to go to Mars for the oil.
	Well, that's what Halliburton is saying since 97.
	That's in Salon News magazine right now.
	Someone already predicted that?
	Yes.
	I read that last hour.
	Okay.
	And here's another one of my
	I have an analysis of, I think that people that vote, I think that their vote, because who said that they control everything, the voting system, like even if you vote, it really doesn't matter?
	Who said that, the CIA or someone?
	Well, the new electronic touch screen systems that are going in, federally pushed and mandated,
	I think the current systems are...
	Because when you vote, it goes to some big, huge building, right?
	Well, it's still, a lot of the systems, whether it's Scantron or Bubble systems, you know, with the hanging chads, those do go into a computer.
	They have cost them manipulating those.
	But this new electronic system is centralized where just a few people can steal whole regional elections, whole national elections.
	Okay, one last thing.
	I think the courts...
	I think, like, you were talking earlier about how the Supreme Court and everything like that, if you were to go in there with a case that, like, if you were to sue, let's say, the state for wrongfully going into your house, you'd never win.
	Well, no.
	A lot of those cases get won, and then the government doesn't care about paying out the damages because it's just more tax money they take from you, and they keep doing it.
	Thanks for the call.
	I appreciate it.
	Chris in Kentucky.
	Go ahead, Chris.
	Hello, Alex.
	How are you doing?
	Fine.
	Go ahead.
	Thanks.
	These roadblocks are going to be so good for the new America out here.
	I'm just so sick and tired of people just saying this is going to be for their safety.
	They've got an article in here because of the Elizabeth Spark kidnapping, and we need more.
	To protect the children and make sure everybody's safe.
	It's nothing but a gun grab like the previous callers were all saying.
	They want to just eviscerate the Fourth Amendment.
	They want to train us just like in the Soviet Union.
	Stand up against the wall for inspection.
	Papers out.
	Keep your mouth shut.
	You know, this morning there was a car flipped over on the road by my house.
	And, you know, I'm driving through a parking lot to exit back out, and everybody's driving quickly, doing what they're told, turning onto the road, and, you know, the accident had been there for 30 minutes, and the sheriff's deputy was just hatefully, I mean, you'd thought we were all killers or something, waving his arms, yelling at people, hurry it up!
	And there weren't any ambulances backed up, nothing like that.
	People were already taken away.
	They're just flipping out on us.
	We're bad.
	We're criminals.
	We've got to be bossed around.
	We've got to be treated with hatred.
	You know, we're a bunch of idiots.
	Exactly.
	And those who never got the film Police State 2000 get that because that's very informative on that when you're out there on those roadblocks because that's the system.
	That's what they want to do.
	And that was before 9-11, folks, preparing this for us.
	It's going to get a lot worse.
	We go over the federal plan.
	It's all a federal plan to train you for eventual hardened checkpoints outside every city and on every state line where they search everyone's vehicle.
	The harassment you see at the airports will be at every major highway.
	It will be a lot worse.
	You'll have to stand out in your car and you may even lose your car.
	They've said they're going to do that.
	It's not like it's my opinion.
	And they're training us to accept it.
	And they're getting all these TV shows on here that violence is okay and we're going to torture you if you don't let us do this.
	This is okay, but Hitler's bad and Saddam is bad, but it's okay to do it here.
	Okay, thanks for the call.
	And Mark just did something really good, the fellow running the show.
	I'm really bad about saying I'll come back with something, then I get distracted and go into something else.
	About 15 minutes ago, I said that I would...
	When I got back from break, tell a story of something hilarious and bizarre that happened yesterday.
	Okay, last Tuesday, seven days ago, now eight days ago, I had the big...
	We're good to go.
	And I noticed it was another hour of that Tuesday show, and they rarely make mistakes.
	I mean, that happens.
	It was the wrong hour airing off the computer.
	And so I called in, and I said, hey, I don't care if it sounds bad.
	I said, I want you to go to the right interview at the same minute.
	And they said, okay.
	So I hang up the phone, and I'm listening, and it takes me a few seconds to do it, and this is what I hear.
	I'm on the air from last Tuesday, eight days ago.
	We're good to go.
	You know, make you use too much power, and then they think, oh, you're growing marijuana.
	And I've talked to the former SWAT team commander who admits that they'd bust in a house, some old lady's house, there'd be nobody there, there'd be a bunch of fish tanks, they'd feel embarrassed and leave and then not even file a report.
	Okay, that's in Austin.
	So here I am on the air, and this is what I say.
	Again, a different hour from that same show airing, I'm talking about the police bust in, the SWAT team bust in, and there's these big old fish tanks.
	Right then, they switched, because I told them to.
	This is funny.
	To the next hour from that show, and you couldn't even hear it.
	Word for word, it just meshed perfectly, because when Mark Cass would do something like that, he'll do it when a word ends.
	I go, yeah, the SWAT team's bust in, and there are these fish tanks, and they're growing clones in them.
	Yes, yes.
	Clones of babies, and they're going to have them in these tanks.
	And the scientist I have on goes, yes, yes, growing them in tanks.
	I almost ran off the road.
	If that doesn't sound funny, folks, you had to hear it.
	And I knew I was going to get some emails.
	I got a few emails.
	One of them, in fact, I got it right here.
	It's like, you have gone off the deep end.
	You are completely insane.
	The police bust in, they're growing clones in old ladies' fish tanks.
	Hey, Mark, I know you don't like to go on air, but you've got to admit that's funny, isn't it?
	Oh, you went back and re-listened to it this morning?
	Oh, yeah, the site just comes back and goes, yes, growing people in tanks.
	They've legalized it.
	Imagine listeners for the first time.
	And there's no way to take it back either.
	I mean, thousands of people think I'm a complete lunatic now.
	There'll probably be a New York Times article where it says, they've done this before, you know, Mr. Jones believes old women grow clones in fish tanks.
	Hey, Mark, if you were listening to that this morning, is there any way to go back to that recording of that and air it again?
	Yeah, you want to do that again?
	Yeah, yeah, see if you can find it.
	It was about 14 after.
	14 after when you merged the two.
	Ha ha!
	All right, he's trying to grab it.
	I mean, we rarely have humor here on this show, but imagine Murphy's Law that it matched with me talking about old ladies with their fish tanks.
	And then, yes, they're growing clones in them.
	In fact, I might ask callers.
	I wanted to get to the news, though.
	I'll get to some of it here in a second.
	I ought to ask callers if they heard that.
	What did you think when you heard that?
	I literally almost ran off the road.
	I was laughing so hard.
	It was high humor, folks.
	I mean, and what's the chance?
	Talk about synchronicity or synchronicity isn't the proper term.
	Serendipity.
	I mean, to have those two things mesh like that, that was nuts.
	Let's go ahead and real quick finish up with these two callers.
	Eric in Connecticut, go ahead.
	Hey, Alex.
	How are you doing?
	Great.
	You made my weekend.
	I saw Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove Friday night on the internet.
	And I'll tell you, you've got brass loads.
	And I was cheering you all the way.
	How you snuck in there and you caught that bizarre ritual.
	On tape.
	And the Bohemian Grove that Bush and others attend admit in the San Francisco Chronicle and on national television with the British documentary that I was in with the footage, they admit that I got that and that that is the ritual.
	It is not debatable.
	What did you think of the film?
	I liked it.
	I thought you covered the bases.
	I liked how you had little snapshots, so to speak, of your airline trip.
	From Texas to California, and just sort of how you... The film flowed very well.
	I think you chronicled your trip very well, too, and how you met up with the British reporters in the hotel room.
	Well, we had to do that.
	I mean, we couldn't just say, we snuck in, here's the footage, no one would believe it.
	No, I agree.
	And I think the film flowed very well.
	You covered a lot of information.
	And I think, frankly, I think you made believers out of a lot of people who kind of had a quizzical eye towards you.
	And I tell you, the human sacrifice that goes on by these people, the scale is, I don't think a lot of people just know or realize the scale of which these sacrifices take place all over the world with children and everything.
	They admit it.
	Every week I see in Germany, France, the U.S., it'll be just a tiny news story, never makes national news, Satanist murder, man cut his heart out, Satanist kill baby.
	You can ask police about this.
	They see this all the time, and they're told by their departments here in Austin, don't file that as a ritual, just file it as a murder.
	We don't want to get off into religious discrimination.
	I thoroughly recommend all your listeners...
	See Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove.
	I'll tell you, it was a mind-bender.
	And the owl truck, how they took you up to the site and everything else.
	The way that you caught it on video, I loved it.
	It was great.
	And you know, on a dollar bill, you can actually see the owl of Moloch.
	By the way, they have a History Channel show where they show all the hidden stuff and the money and the history, and they even show that owl.
	It's not like we're saying it says New World Order.
	It's not like we claim there's an owl.
	It's really there.
	Yeah, on the upper right-hand one, the shield surrounding the one, just to the left of the top, it's so small you need a real strong magnifying glass or a low-power microscope to see it.
	But it's actually the Owl of Molech right there.
	One last thing, Alex.
	I saw a show.
	It's a new show called Jake 2.0, a real New World Order advertisement.
	And they supposedly foiled a plot by the militia to recent bomb a subway.
	Oh, see, there's hundreds of these shows where the militia's killing everyone and it creates the illusion that, oh, these groups are really doing that with the average TV head who gets their reality from the dramas.
	Thanks for the call.
	Thank you.
	And, folks, yeah, I never really plugged Art Secrets inside Bohemian Grove.
	Three years ago, I snuck in there.
	British media called me, said, we think you've got what it takes to sneak in.
	I asked Mike Hanson, who does some camera work for me, though I ran the cameras inside the Grove, little hidden camera.
	I said, you want to sneak in with me?
	It'll be easier for two to do it.
	We snuck in, acted like we were members, got that footage, and the Bohemian Grove admits I snuck in, admits that's their ritual, and says, oh, I'm just making a big deal out of it.
	I'll plug it better later, but...
	Okay, for those that just joined us, again, yesterday I decided to re-air this interview with this doctor about New Jersey legalizing cloning.
	Past birth.
	He uses the body parts.
	It's so horrible, it's hard to describe it.
	But the wrong show got here.
	A show where I was talking about SWAT teams busting in old ladies' houses because they were using too much electricity because of fish tanks.
	So I'm talking about SWAT teams busting in because of fish tanks because of too much power.
	They think somebody's growing marijuana in there.
	And then when I told them, switch it back to the right interview, it switches to me talking about tanks and clones, and it was pretty funny.
	So here it is again.
	Play it, Mark.
	I've talked to former SWAT team people.
	One of them works at the airport now.
	He's a retired Vietnam veteran sniper in Vietnam.
	He was the head of the SWAT team.
	I've talked to others.
	Many times they would be told, go raid this house.
	They'd bust in.
	It'd be generally some old retiree.
	There'd be four or five fish tanks.
	And maybe some plants, and they were using too much power about allowing them to bring a clone to term, and then after that, in the development for medical parts.
	So I guess it's going to be like a Frank Herbert book where you've got these tanks with these humanoids growing in it.
	I mean, I'm not saying that's what they're doing, but you just said they legalized that.
	Oh, absolutely.
	It's very explicit.
	They say that you can produce through cloning these human beings.
	You can...
	Okay.
	And then it goes on to say, you can't make big profits, you can make some profits.
	But, I don't know, driving along hearing that, it was pretty funny how those two things went together.
	Ron in Oklahoma.
	Ron, go ahead.
	Good to talk to you.
	Good to talk to you, Alex.
	Alex, I'm appealing to your listeners around the United States and around the world who have friends or relatives in the state of Oklahoma.
	Contact these friends or relatives.
	Tell them about Alex Jones, John Stattmiller, InfoWars, Prison Planet.
	Send them your tapes, your books, your bumper stickers.
	Here in Oklahoma, the media is so tightly controlled, we don't get you on AM or FM.
	The only way we have listening to you is via the internet or shortwave.
	And there are a number of people I know here in Oklahoma working to get the word out and information.
	But there are also a lot of people around the country I know that have
	I missed that one, Alex, but I'm not surprised.
	Uh...
	I'm not surprised.
	You see, after the bombing, Alex, we were absolutely totally blitzed with media propaganda.
	We were simply overwhelmed.
	It was 24 hours a day.
	It never stopped.
	People were never given a chance to stop and think about what happened or gather any information on their own.
	So many people are really in the dark and have no idea what's going on.
	I'll tell you, I've been in Oklahoma many times, and every person I talk to on the street thinks the government did it.
	Stay there.
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	Let's finish up two calls real quick, because I want to go to this caller in Nicaragua.
	Ron in Oklahoma, finish up.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, Alex.
	You are right in one regard.
	I am seeing a lot more letters from the editor for the Daily Oklahoman, which sound like they're from Alex Jones listeners.
	I think we're good.
	The nail that stuck up in Oklahoma was hammered down.
	You did not dispute the party line.
	Absolutely.
	Thanks for the call.
	Thank you.
	Let's talk to Nick in Nicaragua.
	Last caller.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Hi.
	Greetings and job blessings, Alex.
	Good to have you on.
	Yeah, good to have been listening to you on the Internet here.
	It's good to get some news from the states, especially some different news, and it's nice to call up a radio show without getting...
	Yeah, this point was made, yeah.
	Oh, you heard that.
	The other thing was,
	I want to know your thoughts on the Illuminati, and I'm sure you know the history of the Illuminati tracing their bloodlines back to Mesopotamia, which is now modern-day Iraq.
	Well, that's where they trace Moloch and their Babylon mystery religion gods back to.
	Right, and the Anunnaki, no?
	Well, they think they're gods.
	I mean, the elite is on a power trip, and elitists always think they're god.
	I mean, that's what Idi Amin thought he was god.
	Thanks for the call from Nicaragua.
	Nicaragua.
	I can't suddenly pronounce it.
	Nicaragua.
	And I'll try to get into that.
	I mean, you ought to get the book I offer at Infowars.com, Bloodlines of the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier.
	Talk about punishing him.
	Boy, they framed him, put him in prison for writing that book.
	Speaking of punishing people, this is out of American Free Press.
	After a federal jury this week found him guilty of multiple charges of withholding taxes for Richard Sim Cannon, a 59-year-old Texan.
	It was his second trial, the first having been declared a mistrial, and the jury deadlocked.
	It was 11-1, folks.
	They said he was innocent.
	On Wednesday, a second jury returned guilty verdicts because they wouldn't let him show evidence on 25 felony counts, each of which carries a maximum five-year sentence.
	They also declared him guilty of four misdemeanor charges.
	Until a few years ago, he was a little-known owner of Arrow Custom Plastics in Bedford, Texas.
	But in March 2001, he and four other people took out full-page ads in USA Today declaring their opposition to the federal income tax.
	His life changed drastically when he soon found himself in the wrong end of the law.
	All he did was publish the law there.
	But if you're from India or Mexico, you get 10 years, 7 to 10 years, no taxes on your business.
	But if you're somebody that says, I'm not going to withhold, my employees can do what they want to, you get, well, he could get 125 years in prison after a kangaroo trial.
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