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Air Date: Dec. 16, 2003
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	This is the GCN Radio Network.
	Big Brother.
	Mainstream media.
	Government cover-ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	All right, my friends.
	It's Tuesday, the 16th of December, 2003.
	I'm Alex Jones, your host.
	We're going to be live here.
	The next three hours we will talk more about the whole Saddam Hussein situation and the latest developments here politically with that.
	And take your calls and get your response, your insight, your take on it.
	We haven't had Paul Joseph Watson of PrisonPlanet.com, my webmaster and researcher, on in a few weeks.
	We've got him coming on in the second hour to talk about the Saddam situation and, of course, mainstream headlines that MI6 may have been involved in the murder.
	We're good to go.
	I mean, look, we have the Israeli websites saying it looks like he was a captive.
	We have Congressman LaHood, Ray LaHood, on December 2nd telling the Associated Press and other newspapers that, oh, yeah, we've got Saddam.
	We'll be bringing him out real soon.
	We've got Tommy Franks in the Marshall Law article saying,
	And look, I mean...
	Howard Dean, George W. Bush, doesn't matter who wins the election, folks.
	They're all globalists, the same agenda, gun control, open borders, more NAFTA and GATT.
	It's all the same stuff, and a lot of people are acting like the Saddam capture is winning the Super Bowl, and boy, aren't we all big now.
	Meanwhile, the dollar plunged more yesterday, and the trade deficit got bigger.
	Did you know they passed the Patriot Act II under a new name over the weekend?
	Yeah, Bush signed it, and giving them almost unlimited powers on a whole new wide range of subjects, but that doesn't matter.
	Hey, you know, that's what Saddam would do.
	Saddam would have legislation like that, and after all, our government put Saddam into power and told him to attack Iran and did all that.
	I hear the neocons talking about how evil he was attacking Iran all last night, all today, how evil Saddam is.
	It is evil what he did.
	He is evil.
	But we cannot look at the geopolitical spectrum and not look at what our government has done.
	It's out of control.
	It's a fraud.
	It's a joke.
	So we're going to take your calls on this subject.
	And give you a chance to give us your take on what's happening and what's developing and what you think about this.
	The toll-free number to join us on air.
	We'll go to your calls early in this first hour.
	We took about 40 phone calls yesterday, so I'm doing a good job of going to lots of people.
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	Any issue politically here in the New World Order, the Second Amendment, the open borders, the plunging dollar, Saddam Hussein, passing Patriot Act II, whatever you'd like to discuss, 1-800-259-9231.
	We'll get into all the news when we get back.
	And it's online at infowars.com and prisonplanet.com are two wonderful websites that are updated each and every day.
	Again, that's 1-800-259-9231.
	And we'll get you up and on the air.
	Again, we have Paul Watson joining us in the second hour.
	In the third hour, former top CIA advisor to George W. Bush, Herbert Walker Bush, excuse me, and Ronald Reagan, Ray McGovern, will be joining us.
	He joined us briefly yesterday, but he's going to join us for a longer period of time in the third hour as well, so you do not want to miss that big show.
	Stay with us.
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	Government cover-ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	All right, my friends.
	It is the 16th day of December 2003.
	I'm Alex Jones, your host.
	We're going to be live here for the next two hours and 51 minutes.
	We do have Paul Watson joining us in the second hour and Ray McGovern in the third hour.
	Ray McGovern, National Security Advisor from the CIA to Ronald Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush, talking about the propaganda and fraud.
	He is joining us in the third hour.
	It is Tuesday.
	The 16th of December, 2003.
	The second hour, Paul Joseph Watson.
	I'm your host, Alex Jones.
	We will go to your calls early in this first hour on any issue you want to discuss.
	The plunging dollar, what's happening to our ballooning trade deficit, the anti-Second Amendment legislation being rammed through Congress.
	We will get into Patriot Act II under a new name, being signed by Bush this weekend.
	We were all busy running around celebrating the arrest, the supposed arrest of the former CIA asset and terror master, Mr. Hussein.
	So this is just some of the news that we'll be covering here on the show for you today.
	The toll-free number to join us on air is 1-800-259-9231.
	Washington, Congressman questions Saddam timing.
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	The Democrat congressman went on to say there's too much by happenstance for it to be just a coincidental thing.
	An interview by Dave Ross asked again if he meant to imply that Bush administration timed the capture for political reasons.
	McDermott said, I don't know that it was definitely planned on the weekend, but I know they've been in contact with people all along who knew basically where he was.
	It was just a matter of time until they find him.
	It's funny, McDermott added, when they've been having all this trouble, suddenly they have to roll out something.
	State Republicans immediately condemned McDermott's remarks, saying the Seattle Democrat again was engaging in crazy talk about the Iraq War.
	Once again, McDermott has embarrassed this state with his irresponsible, ranting GOP State Chairman Chris Vance, said in a news release, calling on him to apologize.
	Okay, well let's talk about the facts.
	I'm looking at the Associated Press and several other news reports.
	LaHood, Hussein's capture imminent.
	This is December 2nd.
	So this month, folks, about 12 days ago, 13 days ago, U.S.
	Representative Ray LaHood held his thumb and forefinger slightly apart and said, we're this close to catching Saddam Hussein, or an inch away.
	Once that's accomplished, Iraq resistance will fall apart, said the five-term Republican congressman from Peoria, who serves on the House Intelligence Committee.
	A member of the...
	We're good to go.
	And he again went on to say, do you know something we don't?
	Yes, I do.
	Well, it looks like General Tommy Franks, the outgoing head of CENTCOM, who was interviewed in the December issue of Cigar Aficionado, we have the whole article transcribed.
	It wasn't online, but now it is on Infowars.com.
	And among the other little tidbits in there, not just martial law, the next step in our government, but he also said, oh, we're going to catch Saddam in the next few weeks.
	They caught him in the next few weeks.
	And guess what?
	He said, we're going to catch him real soon.
	And LaHood says he knew something that the media didn't know when talking to a central Illinois newspaper and then, of course, picked up by the Associated Press 14 days ago.
	But McDermott is a wild-eyed, crazy liberal, which I agree.
	He's a socialist.
	He wants our guns.
	He's for more taxes and regulation.
	Oh, he's just like George Bush.
	So there's no real difference there.
	But we don't like him, but we love Bush because he has an R before his name.
	But you have all these people bragging about how they were about to catch Saddam.
	Other generals spouted off.
	And you have the Israeli publication that's been pretty accurate in the past, the Debka file, and they're saying it looks like he'd been beaten, looks like he'd been drugged, looks like he was down in this hole for a long time.
	By the way, it's being pointed out that Saddam's beard, and again, the average person can grow a beard that long in about a year or longer, but let's say Saddam grows a beard twice as fast.
	We're good to go.
	To his temples, because folks, I've seen a million beards, so have you.
	If somebody's going to have gray, solid gray up to their temples, and it's not going to turn black suddenly at the temple, right up to the top of his head.
	But his hair is black with no gray in it, and then suddenly you get to his beard and it turns gray.
	Just instantly.
	Reuters reported that he had had his fake beard ripped away by the troops, and suddenly in the Associated Press it was, oh no, they shaved his beard off.
	He had to run in with an army barber.
	So we don't know what the truth is.
	And I dug up some old news articles from earlier this year where they talked about his ten body doubles.
	Where's number two?
	Where's number eight?
	Where's number six?
	Where's number seven?
	Where's number nine?
	They admit he has body doubles.
	It's not like we're just on the air saying there's body doubles.
	It could be a body double.
	They've been on the record saying he's got body doubles.
	Now, this looks like the Saddam we've seen a lot in the past.
	Some are pointing out this guy has light brown eyes.
	Saddam really does have dark black eyes.
	We went and looked.
	It looks a lot like Saddam, though.
	Better than the guy with the glasses during the shock and awe bombardment.
	So I don't know.
	I just know we've been lied to about the Jessica Lynch rescue that was produced by Jerry Bruckheimer.
	I know we've been lied to about mobile weapons trucks.
	We've been lied to about mass graves.
	We've been lied to about weapons of mass destruction.
	We've been lied to about Niger uranium transfers.
	Turns out that was manufactured.
	The Pentagon has planted hundreds of fake letters from troops with false signatures in major newspapers.
	We know they lie to us.
	So we don't know what the truth is, but more is beginning to emerge.
	But how can they criticize McDermott when he says, oh, well, we know that they knew where he was when we've got LaHood, Ray LaHood, the Republican congressman, and we've got Tommy Franks, the head of CENTCOM, and all these people saying the same thing, basically, but weeks before.
	But we're a dumbed-down population, and listening to Neocon talk today before I went on the air, it was Saddam has mass graves.
	Saddam had the mobile weapons trucks.
	Saddam has the weapons of mass destruction.
	He's a big murderer.
	He did this to his own people.
	He attacked Iran viciously.
	And I'm going, wait a minute, they admit those mass graves, those boxes of sand and bones were an exchange program with Iran.
	That was admitted back in 92.
	They knew right where that warehouse was.
	They went there to go, oh, look, mass graves when they knew full well 10 years before what it was.
	We know that Saddam is a killer.
	She's watching television, cutting up, you know, I mean, I'd come back from soccer or football practice.
	She'd be in there cutting up carrots and stuff for dinner.
	And I remember hearing every day how Saddam was this great guy fighting the evil Iranians.
	But not anymore.
	The neocons say, vicious, evil, demonic, killed all these Iranians, blah, blah, blah.
	It's amazing, folks.
	The CIA helped train his Republican guard.
	The School of America has helped train him in torture.
	And you notice our media one day saying how good torture is, and the next day Saddam's evil, he tortures.
	So I'm just saying it's hypocritical, it's a fraud.
	Saddam's nothing compared to China that Bush just cut Taiwan loose to him, changing our 50-plus year treaty.
	Nothing compared to Rumsfeld giving new reactors to North Korea.
	These are the real threats, folks.
	But they tell us Russia and China are good now, and our little buddies, and Hussein's the new Hitler.
	They keep comparing him to Hitler down in his bunker.
	It's a fraud if you know the historical facts.
	And Bill Clinton continued the bombing of Saddam.
	The Democrats, if they were in power, would have done the same thing.
	They're acting like they're against it now.
	I mean, we can't make this a partisan issue.
	It's an issue of right and wrong.
	It's an issue of this being a fraud.
	They can't sit there and say he's evil because he attacked Iran when he did it under U.S.
	government control.
	It is ridiculous.
	And it just shows how dumbed down everybody's gotten.
	Coming up, the real significance of Saddam's capture.
	Saddam tried to negotiate with U.S.
	captors.
	Saddam drugged, says sister.
	Also, we'll get into his roots being dark black, but everything else being gray.
	It turns out Musharraf, fake bid of life, a fake bombing, Times of London.
	Again, government staging bombings.
	It's being admitted all the time.
	The Scotsman, Diana's death linked to MI6 plot.
	Bush approval rating jumps 10 points.
	U.S.
	troops disperse pro-Saddam protest in Tikrit.
	Americans snap up foreign goods.
	Push deficit with China to record high.
	Dollar drops again against the euro.
	G.I.s beat arrests, disperse pro-Saddam protesters.
	More on electronic voting machine fraud.
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	Welcome.
	Hi, Alex.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	You bet.
	I was going to give my thoughts on the economy and a certain aspect of it, and then I wanted to get your take on it.
	Sure, go ahead.
	My gut check has been telling me for months that basically the only thing holding up our dollar right now, and therefore any resemblance in the markets of any kind of a recovery, is the fact that an election is coming up next November, and nobody wants to see the dollar...
	Tumble, which I think it'll inevitably do anyway.
	Well, the dollar's already tumbled 35%.
	Right.
	And it went up about a cent on the weekend, and then by yesterday plunged to a record low against the euro.
	I'm talking about the descent into the global economy that I think they want to bring upon us by bringing America down.
	Well, the trade deficit hit its all-time record.
	People are snatching up every foreign good they can get, slitting their own throats.
	My gut feeling is nothing real serious will happen.
	And I know this is serious enough, what you're talking about.
	Don't let me trivialize what's already happened.
	But I think things to really be concerned about may not happen until after the election.
	And that's been my feeling simply because politics is to not let the economy go too far to pot before a major election because that gets votes.
	Of course, if it's sustainable, so to speak.
	I mean, I've got my gold and silver holdings, not as much as I'd like, and I'm about ready to pull out of my 401K at work next year simply because I've heard some things that people like you and some of your guests have said about 401K.
	Well, the government has changed the rule where you don't own your pension fund.
	It can be taken from you.
	The question is, will they do that?
	You see, why are they massing all these troops for martial law?
	Because if they crash the economy, they can then have a terror attack and will forgive the government and get behind whatever they do.
	That's the psychological tactic.
	Whereas if they just crash the economy by itself, people will get mad at the government.
	You notice the stock market started going down, and a week later we had 9-11.
	I've also noticed that the gold and silver markets tend to go up lately, whether the stock market news is good or bad.
	And always in the past, the gold would go down with a high stock market.
	This has never been seen in modern history to have gold exploding in price with a stock market going up.
	But again, the dollar has been reduced in price.
	And thanks for the call, David.
	A good call.
	The dollar has been reduced in price now by 35%.
	The stock market goes up by 6%.
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	So the dollar's down by 30-plus percent.
	The stock market's only up by 6%.
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	Do you understand?
	It's still, in real numbers, a massive drop in the stock market.
	We'll be right back with more calls, more news.
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	Well, while you were busy drooling and worshipping Bush, talking to the neocons out there and talking about how great he is, and how this has been a great Super Bowl victory, arresting the supposed Saddam Hussein, this beaten and drugged out-looking Saddam, there's more and more questions of, is it Saddam?
	We're going to go over that.
	While that was happening, Bush was signing the Patriot Act II under a new name.
	Isn't that nice?
	Isn't that just special?
	No more secret police, no more torture chambers in Iraq, Bush said.
	Well, that's a flat lie.
	They've hired the former top torture master of Iran, the guy under the Shah, Chalibi, and here domestically we've got our secret police, and they're telling us how great torture is every single day.
	But I guess folks can't put two and two together.
	Coming up here in just a few minutes, Cliff, Casey, Joe, John, David, and everybody, we're going to get to you.
	Stay right there.
	And I'll get into this Patriot Act II news, the latest Saddam developments, and what Congressman McDermott had to say, which meshes with what Republican Congressman Ray LaHood said about, I know something you don't know.
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	Go ahead.
	How are you doing today, Alex?
	Good to talk to you.
	Great, sir.
	God bless you.
	I met you in Houston the last time you was here.
	Oh boy, that was a huge crowd.
	How did it go this last time?
	Yeah, it was.
	Pretty good.
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	We didn't turn away hundreds of people, but a lot of folks showed up.
	That's good.
	I went through with my mom, and she was always saying, well, the government can't do this, they can't do that.
	After she saw 9-1-1, the road to tyranny, I never heard her say that again.
	Made a believer out of her.
	Well, absolutely.
	What's on your mind today, Cliff?
	Well, you know, I've just been kind of watching these little videos they have on the news channels of the Buzz, the Dom, and I think from looking at his mannerisms and this and that, I know that it might be him, but I don't know if they just found him in a hole.
	I think they've probably had him captive for a long time now.
	Well, here's the problem.
	Right.
	Right.
	I think.
	Now, has he been dyeing his hair?
	Where are the roots?
	There are no roots.
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	And Reuters reported that it was a, quote, fake beard.
	Then the government said, no, no, no, it was a real beard.
	Then you mentioned had him in a hole for a while.
	It's not just liberal McDermott saying this out in Washington State on the radio yesterday, the congressman.
	We have Republican Representative Ray LaHood telling an Illinois newspaper and the Associated Press
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	Yes, I do, replied LaHood.
	We're this close, holding his fingers up an inch apart, to catching Saddam Hussein.
	We have General Tommy Franks saying in a news article that's on my site that we're about to catch him in the next few weeks.
	And then we have the Israeli intelligence people at the DEBCA file going, you know, it looks like he's been held captive, looks like he's been beaten, maybe drugged, down in this hole.
	I mean, what do you think?
	Well, every time the ratings drop, they pull an ace out of the hole.
	You know?
	And it's like you said in The Waking Life.
	It's all a big buffet of lies, and I'm not eating it.
	Well, thanks, Alex.
	You're doing a great service to the country.
	Hey, I appreciate you, my friend.
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	I never do it because I'm too busy fighting the New World Order, ladies and gentlemen.
	And that's what's most important.
	Let's talk to KC in Ohio.
	KC, you're on the air.
	Thanks for holding.
	Go ahead.
	Thanks, Alex.
	God bless you.
	I appreciate your call.
	What's on your mind?
	Well, I'd just like to caution everybody.
	First of all, when there's this many lips moving about any subject, there's something funny.
	And, you know, all these pictures of Saddam...
	Well, let me say this.
	There's no real discussion other than Dan Rather saying hours after the announcement Sunday morning that this is him, we've done DNA testing, we've proven it, dental records, then it came out the government never said that, so Dan Rather was just making that up.
	His lips were moving.
	Yeah, his lips were moving.
	And then we add to this all the lies they've told us in the past.
	The Jessica Lynch thing was, quote, a fable, the fake letters from troops planted in hundreds of papers.
	When we've caught them lying, and remember, you know, eight, nine years ago, I saw Forrest Gump accept an award from JFK.
	Well, that's the main subject I wanted to talk about, is how this changed the subject from who killed JFK.
	They pulled an ace out of the hole just when they needed it.
	You know, every time we start talking about George Bush Sr.
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	And, you know, I'm thinking there's a joker in the hole somewhere here.
	If we start talking about JFK again, maybe we can find those weapons of mass destruction.
	Absolutely.
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	Joe, thanks for holding her on the air.
	Hey, Alex.
	How you doing?
	Yes, sir.
	I love what you're doing, man.
	Thank you.
	What's on your mind?
	Well, first of all, I just want to say I'm pretty intent on putting you, I'm a screenwriter, so I'm pretty intent on putting you in at least one of my movies when I get out there.
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	But what was I going to say?
	Bush is calling for a public trial of Saddam Hussein.
	Don't you think that would be the last thing he would want
	Considering all the fact that we hired the guy, armed him, and put him in power?
	Well, if you torture somebody for just a couple weeks, you can make them say whatever you want.
	Our best and strongest Marine Corps fighter pilots would cry like a baby and say that they were evil fascists after Viet Cong got done with them.
	And so he'll say whatever they want.
	Whoever this person is they've got, he'll say whatever they want.
	I mean, they've got induction now directly to the brain.
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	And that's one of their ways of torturing people now, and not leave a mark on him.
	So you think they'll just drug him up to the point where he'll be doped up throughout the whole trial?
	Well, look at Muhammad, look at Malvo, look at McVeigh.
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	I mean, again, you couldn't write a screenplay like this.
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	Hey, sounds exciting.
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	What else is on your mind, Joe?
	Hey, I appreciate that.
	I was just wondering, do you know who had command control on the day of 9-11?
	Yes, the, quote, shadow government that Bush announced, Homeland Security that was already set up through FEMA and NORTHCOM.
	Yeah, because it looked like the day before Saddam was captured, everyone was talking about the fact that Flight 93 might have been shot down.
	There's a lot of things that this smoke screens.
	Yeah.
	Good to hear from you, Joe.
	Great call.
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	Coming up, we'll talk to John in Texas, David in Texas, Tom, Colorado, Kenneth, South Carolina, and many others.
	We have Paul Joseph Watson, who I haven't had on in a couple weeks.
	The webmaster and researcher at PrisonPlanet.com, my website, coming on to talk about his take on the whole Saddam Hussein situation.
	We have Ronald Reagan, CIA advisor, joining us.
	Ray McGovern in the third hour as well, and a bunch of your calls in this hour.
	We have the Democrat congressman being attacked, Jim McDermott, who is a gun grabber who I don't like, but so is George Bush.
	I don't like him either.
	And McDermott, though, did have questions about 9-11 that were reasonable and good.
	And he now has questions saying, look, we all know that they knew where he was for the last few weeks or months.
	This is staged.
	And everybody goes, how dare you?
	But in the December 2nd news articles out of Illinois in the Associated Press, Congressman Ray LaHood said,
	Said that we're this close, an inch away from catching Saddam.
	The reporter said, do you know something we don't?
	Yes, I do, replied LaHood.
	Tommy Franks, in this month's issue of Cigar Aficionado, came out two weeks ago, three weeks ago, said that they were, quote, about to capture Saddam.
	So, yeah, folks, they had him in that hole as a prisoner.
	Probably Republican Guard paid off by Rummy, who admits he did pay off a bunch of Republican Guard.
	Also now, questions are rising.
	Is this a double?
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	Details of that coming up.
	Right now, let's go back to the calls.
	Let's talk to John in Texas.
	John, good to hear from you.
	Hey, Alex.
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	Fantastic.
	Good.
	First of all, God bless you, man.
	I listen to you all the time, and I print out stuff from various websites and yours, including yours in Prison Planet, and I hand it out to people when they don't see me, and they inevitably get really quiet.
	Anyway, question.
	Are you going to do an analysis of what Ron Paul is calling Patriot Act II that got passed a couple of days ago?
	Yes, I'd love to be able to write an analysis of it, but Ron Paul's done that, and he says it's mostly what was in Patriot Act II, which they were already implementing without passing the law, and this weekend Bush signed it.
	Uh-huh.
	And so what a wonderful smoke screen, the capture of Saddam.
	So there's your neocons in action.
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	David in Texas.
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	A gentleman, one of your callers, was saying you guys were talking about the economy, and I'd like to just make a few comments about that.
	I believe that the money that's in power likes to see it go up and down.
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	So thanks a lot.
	Hey, thank you.
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	I've got some comments on the economy when we get back.
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	We're going to get his take on the Saddam situation and the latest developments on Princess Diana and MI6 murder.
	It's out of the Scotsman today, coming up here in just a few minutes.
	The last caller talked about the economy and how the globalists like to constrict the economy and then like to build it back up, always getting us in more debt, always overextending us, consolidating.
	And that is absolutely true.
	They've got to have boom-bust cycles to consolidate power.
	Now, a few months ago there was an article in the Austin American-Statesman, derived out of Forbes magazine, where they showed that the Fortune 500 all got richer,
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	So government grows at record levels.
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	But the small and medium-sized businesses, and medium goes up into hundreds of millions of dollars, folks.
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	Big corporations are in the hundreds of billions and leveraging trillions.
	And they all got smaller, and bankruptcy and public and private debt got bigger, and foreclosures went to record levels we haven't seen since the Great Depression.
	So you notice in a constricting economy, and I've looked back at this over time, whether it's the 70s or the 30s, the elite get richer during depressions and during recessions, and the government grows in size because they're not free markets.
	And so they're laying everybody off.
	They're squeezing.
	They're doing all this and making record profits.
	And, by the way, the economy going down was just a smokescreen for the shift of even more jobs to India and China and even out of Mexico to India and China.
	And now they're announcing record trade deficits, record plunge in the dollar.
	It gets more and more serious by the millisecond.
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	Also, more on Bush signing Patriot Act II this weekend.
	So I guess you can celebrate that.
	We're becoming more like Saddam's Baghdad every day.
	Saddam's Iraq here in America.
	But let me just state, I'm no fan of Saddam Hussein.
	He's a bad guy.
	But compared to China, compared to North Korea, compared to Russia, compared to a lot of our supposed buddies...
	He's nothing.
	And he was put into power in 79.
	He was made the head of bath security in 67.
	In 54, he was a CIA assassin.
	That's all on the record.
	He was told to attack Iran.
	He was funded by our government.
	And that's on the record.
	On the record, on the record, on the record.
	But I hear neocons on TV and on the radio saying, oh, he's so evil he attacked Iran.
	Oh, he's got mass graves.
	Turns out those mass graves were fake, folks.
	They knew about that site in 92.
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	Iran said, yeah, it's an exchange program of our dead and their dead.
	That's why it was boxes of sand and bones.
	We're good to go.
	They knew that they planted fake news articles, fake letters from the troops in the papers.
	They knew about the Niger document, the fake uranium.
	They're lying to you, so we can't trust what they're doing with Iraq and Saddam right now.
	That's all I'm saying.
	And people don't want to have a thought process here.
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	And you heard the caller earlier say local talk stations in Austin won't let you get on and talk about this.
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	The average person listening to talk radio thinks everybody thinks this is just great propaganda and, oh, we just won the Super Bowl and aren't we powerful?
	We're part of kicking that bully's hind end.
	When in truth, he's our bully and the big bully's now taking him over.
	Paul Watson, thank you for joining us, my friend.
	There's a lot of different facets and angles on Saddam here.
	As you said when I talked to you last time on the phone, more will emerge.
	It has emerged.
	They're batting just a perfect score right now for lying to us, staging events with Private Lynch, all of it.
	Looks like something's going on here as well.
	Paul, what's your take on the situation?
	Well, first off, Alex, I think a lot of people are being led up the Gordon Path on one issue and we need to sort of amputate completely a line of inquiry that is serving as a distraction and there's a lot of disinformation on it already.
	And that is the, yes, it is the real, in inverted commas, Saddam Hussein.
	It's not a double.
	And I've been receiving dozens of emails saying, you know, compare the nose, compare the ears, et cetera, et cetera, to the historical photographs.
	But when you do compare them, it's the same man.
	And some are saying that you can't do a DNA test that quickly when, in fact,
	If you have everything prepared beforehand, then you can finish a DNA test in 12 hours.
	All I said, Paul, was that we know he had at least 10 doubles, so it's okay to ask that question.
	Yeah, and that's all we're doing at the moment, because as I said, I mean, expect something to come out a major smoking good in the next three weeks or so, which will confirm it either way, but
	The only thing that I can establish at the moment is the man shown in the footage is Saddam Hussein.
	Now, that's not to say that there aren't a plethora of other inconsistencies that we can go over.
	And at this point, we're not constructing elaborate theories.
	We're just asking these questions.
	And this smoking gun, I believe, will come out in the next three weeks because they're so sloppy at covering these things up.
	And something always leaks out, as it has done in the past.
	Now...
	Notice I said that the only thing that we can establish is the fact that it is Saddam Hussein in the video.
	That's not to say that... Well, I said that it looks just like him.
	The other doubles, the guy with the glasses on TV, didn't look like him.
	One of the big smoking guns isn't just...
	Congressman McDermott saying, oh, we knew they already had him or we knew they knew where he was and this has been brought out politically because Bush has trouble.
	It's not just a Democrat partisan.
	We have Ray LaHood, the representative Republican from Illinois, Bloomington, Illinois.
	And he said two weeks ago today to several newspapers that they said, do you know something we don't know about Saddam?
	Yes, I do.
	We are this close to capturing him.
	We have Tommy Frank saying that in the interview.
	How does that tie in?
	Well, yeah, that's from the evidence we've got.
	I can go and stick my neck out and say that Saddam Hussein was not captured on a Saturday night, Sunday morning.
	He'd been on ice, as it were, for at least weeks, maybe even months.
	As you mentioned, ten days before the announcement, we've got Congressman LaHood in an interview with a local newspaper, the pantograph saying that we're this close to catching him and saying that he knows something that everybody else doesn't.
	And then today, we have the article out of the Associated Press where Jim McDonough says, I don't know what that it was definitely planned on this weekend, but I know they've been in contact with people all along who knew basically where he was.
	And he also said that they could have captured him a long time ago.
	So we have both Democrat and Republican, one before the event, saying the same thing, that the sudden discovery of Hussein was scripted and that in actual fact he's been safely tucked away for an undetermined amount of time.
	But the media is going to make it a partisan issue now and ignore LaHood and ignore Tommy Franks.
	But on top of that, we've got NBC's Meet the Press reporting that Cheney and CIA Director George Tenet were engaged in a secret meeting a few hours before the footage was shown.
	Now, we know that Bush was told Saturday night, but the question is, why were Cheney and the CIA having a meeting hours before?
	Were they directing the subsequent news conference?
	But with the...
	Well, that's what the interim head of the provisional government said yesterday.
	Our own minion said that.
	Yeah, of course, if this is the case, then it has much less propaganda value if local bounty hunters and criminals hand him over rather than if the troops swoop in and arrest him.
	And the whole Bremer, we got him speech would have had a lot less gusto.
	But they don't seem to care.
	I mean, they got caught staging the private lynch deal.
	They get caught staging this.
	It's just no one's held accountable.
	Yeah, and as in the case of lynch, they're going to basically change the story to maximize it.
	Now, the Israelis are saying that, too, from the evidence.
	The Debka file is saying that.
	Yeah, and the fact that Time magazine were reporting details of what Saddam was saying about six hours after his arrest was announced is very suspicious and suggests that words are being put in his mouth already.
	Likewise, today we have Fox News reporting that documents were also discovered which linked him with directing the bombings in Iraq.
	So we have
	A man in a hole with no means of communication directing attacks every day.
	Let's see, if somebody has common sense, it makes no sense, but again, people have lost their common sense.
	Well, it's like claiming that Bin Laden was directing 911 from a hospital bed on kidney dialysis.
	It's like claiming that 19 hijackers were preparing to direct 911 while getting drunk in a strip club the night before.
	Some are raising the possibility that Saddam was captured on the first day of the war.
	We all remember the so-called decapitation strike, which apparently Saddam avoided by minutes.
	Well, they claim they killed him three times.
	Yeah, and then one of his dubious body doubles appears on TV three hours later.
	So there is a chance that he was captured, treated for injuries, and held ever since the war actually started, which of course means the whole war was scripted, too.
	And they can torture the daylights out of him, roll him out before a trial, and he won't say a word.
	And that would explain why he had a six-inch beard.
	As you pointed out, Alex, a beard only grows three-quarters of an inch a month.
	So the original report said it was a fake beard, but then that explanation mysteriously disappeared.
	So again, it's an open-ended question.
	Well, if it was a fake beard, it's Hollywood makeup artists.
	Stay there, Paul Watson.
	We're going to come back and take calls, get into Princess Diana and a bunch of government-sponsored terror news.
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	We're about to go to Tom and Kenneth and others.
	Paul Watson, later before this hour ends, I want to get into the Patriot Act II being passed.
	I want to get into Bush cutting loose Taiwan, which is, of course, a very conservative thing to do.
	Being sarcastic, folks.
	I want to get into the latest evidence of the MI6 killing Diana, which we've covered here in the past, but more evidence now coming out in mainstream news.
	But on the Saddam situation, how hypocritical is it to have them attacking Congressman McDermott?
	We're saying, oh, we all knew they already had him or knew who had him and we're going to roll him out soon.
	When we have other congressmen who are Republicans saying, oh, yeah, we're about to get him and you watch, we're about to have him.
	I mean, this is pretty obvious.
	Well, on top of that, we've got another aspect, which is the possibility that this stage capture could have been part of the deal that was agreed back in April where Saddam was flown out of Baghdad by the Russians after brokering a deal with the Americans.
	And American reporters interviewed the Republican Guard people that supposedly did it, and we have Rumsfeld admitting that he had paid off most of the Guard before the war even began.
	Of course, it was the precursor to the ridiculously easy fall of Baghdad, before which all the experts said would cost 10,000 soldiers' lives, and it was a walkover because the deal had already been done.
	And we saw the same thing in Afghanistan in the middle of the war, flying 8,000 Taliban and al-Qaeda leaders out.
	That is admitted fact by our own news, Fox News Associated Press.
	Then they just round up a few of the conscripts and put them in Guantanamo Bay for show.
	Yes, I mean, the footage could have been filmed eight months ago for all we know as part of this agreement, and that ties into what we were discussing earlier about these congressmen saying that Saddam was captured before his capture was publicly announced, which would again explain why Saddam offered no resistance.
	Then you have Saddam's sister coming out today and saying that he was drugged before the capture, which again suggests preordained violence.
	Well, she says they, quote, have his entire family and are going to be doling him out.
	And when I looked at him, he did look drugged.
	I mean, yeah, that's the first impression I got.
	I mean, we've got this image created of this tyrant that would, you know, do anything to avoid being captured.
	And basically, he's like a frightened puppy when we saw the footage.
	Let's take some calls.
	Let's talk to Tom in Colorado.
	Tom, welcome, sir.
	Thank you.
	Good morning, gentlemen.
	Alex, it's a pleasure.
	Good to talk to you.
	This is probably a little off topic, but I've only been a short-time listener.
	You may have covered this in the past, but I was wondering if you've ever done any investigation on our income tax system and the fact that maybe it does... Yeah, I've had former IRS agents, Treasury agents, they never ratified the 16th Amendment.
	It's a private collection agency for the Federal Reserve.
	Ron Paul has said that.
	Yes, I've done about 100 shows on it.
	And what about the fact that it maybe ties to the fact that maybe we still are being ruled by Britain?
	I wouldn't say maybe.
	I mean, the same financial interests that own England own America.
	And I know in the painful deceptions video, which I just watched on the website, there's a tie on there also to a Britain company who cleaned up the rubble at the Oklahoma...
	Oklahoma City and World Trade Center, yeah.
	A controlled demolition.
	Paul, comments?
	Well, yeah, I mean, that's where the Federal Reserve came from, the Bank of England.
	Any country that has a central bank has the same system of slavery, where money is not even tied to the government.
	It's a private corporation, and that's why they have such a stranglehold over when to crash and when the bubble bursts, etc.
	Does that answer your question, Tom?
	It does, it does.
	I appreciate it.
	God bless you, Alex.
	Thanks for the call.
	You have a lot of backbone, and thanks for bringing this to the attention of everyone.
	You bet.
	Kenneth in South Carolina, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Alex, I listen to you a great deal, and I enjoy your broadcast, but the last time I called in, you said that unemployment in this country is 16%, and the official figure, when I read the Wall Street Journal all the time, I read Investors Business Daily,
	Those are the leading business newspapers.
	They reported just recently that unemployment is 5.9%.
	Okay, I said that they say unemployment is 6%.
	That's right.
	Okay, but they only count who is on the unemployment rolls.
	When you go off the rolls, that's not put into the statistics.
	Can you hold me over?
	Sure, we'll talk about it on the other side.
	But I said that.
	I made that clear.
	I mean, I'm not the only person saying this.
	A lot of economists are saying it.
	And it's much higher than double that because so many people have gone off the rolls and have gone out of the workforce.
	So stay there.
	We'll talk about it on the other side.
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	The show's about fighting tyranny, defending liberty, getting our minds outside the political box, and seeing the big picture.
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	Are you angry about Bush signing Patriot Act II this weekend?
	Or are you upset about the plunging dollar?
	Do you love the fact that he's going to re-sign the assault weapons ban?
	Or are you celebrating the capture of Saddam when he is nothing compared to Kim Jong-il in North Korea, nothing compared to the CHICOM premiered?
	That was just here last week when Bush cut Taiwan loose and violated 50-plus years of treaty obligations and then called it the status quo.
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	We were talking, myself and Paul Watson, we were talking to Kenneth in South Carolina.
	Kenneth, when you heard the show the other day, I clearly stated that they claim unemployment's at 6%, but that even in the past, it's always conservatively double that because it's whoever's gone off the rolls.
	That is how they calculated, and the numbers I've gotten are 15% to 17%, depending on what alternative economist you're looking at.
	I know on my street where I live, a lot of people are unemployed.
	A large percentage of people are taking two or three service jobs.
	And so in some of the statistics, they'll count a person working two jobs as two people employed.
	Is that a middle-income neighborhood where you're living?
	Yes.
	Okay, let me just put one more question before you.
	Well, no, I mean, I'm glad you're asking the question, but I know this.
	Unemployment is well above what they're saying it is.
	But you go ahead.
	Okay, I used to work in the textile industry.
	The textile plants were somewhere, if I wanted to go out, I could always get a job, because there were lots of them in this country.
	Now we only make 20% of our textiles in this country.
	Why do people like Rush Limbaugh, and he's echoing our government, they believe that these kinds of jobs are just expendable, and in the next five years, the remaining 20% of the textile jobs, they're going to be leaving.
	So why are these jobs just expendable?
	Well,
	Now, I thought you were disagreeing with me about the actual unemployment numbers.
	No, I wasn't, but I wanted to ask you a second question.
	Okay, well, your second question is, why are they expendable?
	It's about getting rid...
	Of the middle class, because you could be part of the lower middle class and have a factory job, make 18 bucks an hour, and put the kids through college and go on a couple vacations a year and drive a decent vehicle and have a hot tub in the backyard.
	Now you can't do that.
	If you want to have all that, and you've got to have two, three, four jobs, and why are they expendable?
	It's about...
	We're good to go.
	Let me just finish with this.
	My last textile job, I could make $12 an hour and I got health insurance.
	The plant is gone.
	It's down in Mexico.
	We're expendable.
	That's my point.
	I heartily agree with you.
	Thanks for the call.
	Paul Watson, what's it like over in England right now with the NAFTA and GATT type stuff?
	Well, it's joyous.
	We've got the news article today.
	IBM shipped out another 4,000 jobs to India and China.
	We have the big bank in this country, HSBC, doing the same thing.
	And it's not about helping the third world.
	It's about bringing us down to a third world level.
	In regard to the first point, the unemployment figures, the unemployment rate has been low only because of government programmes like social security disability, which have effectively been buying people off the unemployment rolls and reclassifying them as not in the labour force.
	So in other words, government's been cooking the books, similar to what
	Reagan did when people serving in the military were reclassified from not in the labor force to employed in order to reduce the unemployment rate.
	So it's just a different spin on that kind of manipulation.
	Well, they don't count people who are off the rolls.
	I mean, they keep you on the rolls six months, nine months, and then you're off the rolls.
	And it's amazing.
	Let's go ahead and talk to...
	Dennis in Kansas City.
	Go ahead, you're on the air.
	Yes, I've met you before.
	You know, you're right on about the glorification of the police state and all that.
	What you probably hadn't noticed, if you noticed, I saw on C-SPAN that Congress is trying to change the rules for overtime pay.
	And especially in my line of work, like a union pipe fitter, I have to travel all over the country.
	I depend on that overtime pay to pay for my expenses.
	And by doing this, this is real sly and under the table, and this would not only affect me, it would affect policemen, firemen, all kinds of people, is that you would literally shut the country down or at least come to a crawl because nobody
	It would destroy all the incentive for working overtime.
	Well, you're right.
	But also, look at the states.
	You're right.
	The states are giving more and more federal orders.
	If they want their little bit of federal money, they've got to spend three times that in their own money.
	But the whole system is set up to run off that federal money.
	So the states are all going bankrupt.
	Then the feds come in with their answer, the national ID card, a national sales tax through it, a satellite tracker, taxation box in the car.
	They're proposing this quietly now.
	To the states.
	So they're setting up a climate to bring you into control.
	Then they're going to have things like they had under Roosevelt where you go to the government job building a private structure, public housing, dams, roads.
	This is the plan.
	This is the Homeland Security model.
	It won't work, Alex, because people like me...
	With my skill and level, we'll tell them, you know, where they can... You know what I'm saying?
	Yes.
	And, I mean, I've never seen anything so... I mean, I see what you're seeing now because it's just like when I watch on TV.
	I mean, you can actually see it unfolding and just... These things that nobody catches, just like this, that they're secretly trying to do under the table, and there's other things as well.
	So far, Congress has put a stop to it, but Bush, the Bush administration, despite the majority of Congress saying no... Look at what Bush did with Steele.
	Thanks for the call.
	All right, thank you.
	And I understand your concern.
	Look what he did with Steele.
	Look what he did with... Thank you.
	Look at what he did with the Taiwan situation.
	Paul Watson comments on Taiwan.
	Well, with regard to the previous point, if you remember, we had the article, they already announced that they're going to have Homeland Security armed guards in businesses, so people are basically going to be working at gunpoint.
	I mean, with the Taiwan situation, I mean...
	I think.
	And on top of this, Rumsfeld's arming North Korea with nuclear reactors, but Saddam, he's the big threat.
	And then you're not patriotic if you point that this is just a big joke.
	Talk about death camps.
	I mean, it's admitted that North Korea's got 200,000 political dissidents in gulags where babies are delivered and stamped to death by the gods there, and that's all admitted, and North Korea are quite proud of that, and the fact that they starved a million of their, they starved their population to build a million-man army, and yet there's no invasion of North Korea.
	And they're building them up to nuclear stalemate, and now they've got the Taipan Dong-2 that can hit any part of the U.S.
	But the neocons won't talk about this.
	They talk about the liberals all day and how Bush is fighting the liberals.
	Bush is bringing in the whole agenda.
	I mean, no one can look at this and not say that that's not the case.
	We're going to go to more calls here in a moment.
	We're all of those out there patiently holding.
	But Patriot Act II, is what Ron Paul's billing it, with a new name, was signed by Bush on Saturday.
	But nobody's talking about that because they're talking about the Saddam diversion.
	Let's discuss it.
	Well, yeah, I mean, in this bill, Bush has basically reauthorized total information awareness.
	We got the Associated Press reporting that it authorizes agencies to continue research on computerized terrorism surveillance suspended by... Without warrants.
	Yeah, so they're obviously talking about total information awareness.
	And Ron Paul stated that it appears we are witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular Patriot 2 legislation that was first leaked several months ago.
	Perhaps the national outcry when a draft of the Patriot 2 Act was leaked has led its supporters to enact it one piece at a time in secret.
	And that's exactly what they do.
	They take it one bite at a time.
	And with this Saddam thing going on, it's just a big fat distraction both for this Patriot 2...
	And the Ellen Mariani case, you'll notice whenever 911 gets hot again, they come out with a big fat distraction to divert everyone's attention.
	So that's what we've got with Patriot Act 2 also.
	And the dollar was at $122.87.
	That was the big rebound, was by about half a cent Sunday in off-trading.
	Now it went down again to a new record level of well past $123.
	And this is very, very serious.
	We've got ex-Pentagon official sentenced in fraud case.
	We've got all this happening, but that doesn't seem to matter, you know, because we've had a big victory, haven't we?
	Yeah, I mean, that was the thing that, oh, the dollar's going to rebound now in the back of this brilliant news, and, you know, it basically didn't happen, and it's gone down again today, I believe.
	So, yeah, it's just...
	And you're a liberal if you're against the Patriot Act.
	That's the spin that we continue to hear, that you're just a vicious, evil liberal if you're not for all of this.
	So what do we do, Paul?
	I mean, how do we educate people on these facts?
	Well, the thing about the Patriot Act is the people that are trying to repeal parts of it are mainly Republicans anyway, and yet they pay no attention to that, particularly...
	While Saddam was captured, stealth enactment of the Patriot Act II legislation...
	We're good to go.
	Comments of Ron Paul, Congressman for Texas, on HR 2417.
	It appears we're witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular Patriot 2 legislation that was first leaked several months ago.
	Perhaps the national outcry when a draft of the Patriot 2 Act was leaked has led his supporters to enact it one piece at a time in secret.
	Whatever the case, this outrageous and unacceptable, I urge each of my colleagues to join me in rejecting this bill and its incredibly dangerous expansion of federal powers.
	Now, here's the AP article from Saturday.
	Bush signs bill extending FBI powers.
	President Bush has signed legislation making it easier for FBI agents investigating terrorism to demand financial records from casinos, car dealerships, and other businesses.
	Every business, folks.
	No warrant.
	The bill...
	We're included in a bill of authorization of intelligence programs.
	Most of the tales of the bill are secret, including the total cost of the program, which are established at about $40 billion.
	That would be slightly more than Bush had requested.
	Bush signed the bill Saturday at the White House, announced, and it goes on to say it allows the FBI and other U.S.
	authorities conducting intelligence work and demand financial records without seeking court approval.
	Did you hear that, folks?
	And there's Ron Paul.
	Let's shift gears into Princess Diana, then into Masarov and the fake bombing activities.
	The Scotsman reports Diana's death linked to MI6 plot more than six years after the deaths of Diana and Prince of Wales and Dottie Alfiad.
	The questions surrounding the Paris car crash in which they were killed continue to grip the public imagination.
	This just came out with some new developments.
	What's going on, Paul?
	Well, yeah, there was an article in the BBC as well yesterday which basically confirmed the fact that Henri Paul, the driver of the car, was an MI6 informant, and that's what previous MI6 agents have come out and said, and now that's been confirmed by this.
	And they turned the cameras off in the tunnel, and she had said, they're going to kill me in a fake car accident, and all of this.
	Yeah, and that's all come out as well, and the fact that
	They used the blinding flash of light and some other high-tech jiggery-pokery to cause the driver to swerve, which again is how they tried to, well, they formulated the plan to kill Slobodan Milosevic.
	And now we know that MI5 and MI6 more has come out about them carrying out terror bombings in England as well.
	That's just calmly announced in your news.
	How are people responding to that, or is there no buzz on the streets?
	Now we've got another report about
	How British intelligence helped the paramilitaries bomb Dublin and Monaghan back in 74.
	So again, I mean, we've got a giant archive on that.
	Not only MI5 helping the IRA, but also MI6 protecting all these top al-Qaeda lieutenants.
	Also, the...
	Limousine, a car she was in, was stolen, had its computer taken out, put back in, brought back to them cleaned.
	A stolen car, brought back cleaned, and then it veers off into the pylon.
	There's just so much.
	Also admitted was the fact that both the NSA and MI5 had Diana under surveillance at the time of the crash, which they somewhat admitted to, but now that's being confirmed as well.
	And they sat there for an hour before taking her to the hospital.
	Also out of the Times of London, Musara fake bid on life.
	Islamabad, contrary to claims made by Pakistan President...
	That a bomb blast at a bridge near a city was directed specifically at him.
	Highly placed sources here say that he may have engineered the incident to retain Washington's support as a key ally in the war against terror and to strengthen his hold on power of the source, a condition of anonymity.
	Further went on to say that it was ironical that no one has yet claimed responsibility for the blast.
	It was also inexplicable that the incumbent establishment...
	Was continuing to maintain a stoic silence about who may have been behind the so-called assassination bid, Paul.
	Well, yeah, I mean, Musharraf has been caught not only faking attempts on his own life, but faking terrorist attacks.
	They had an attack which was carried out by a man named Gunn-Russman-Gwannon, which happened a few months ago.
	We had the article.
	He was blamed for the bombing in Pakistan.
	It later turned out that he'd actually been arrested months earlier.
	And in the Philippines, they've gone public that the government's blowing stuff up there to keep, quote, martial law going.
	Yeah, Michael Mearing, the CIA agent, did a really bad job and basically they had to sequest him away to a hospital because he was supposed to blow up an apartment and failed.
	Stay there, my friend.
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	Allie, thanks for holding her on the air with Alex Jones and our guest, Paul Watson.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	One of your listeners a while ago seemed to think he would be able to just thumb his nose at the boss when he called overtime.
	Well, I've got news for him.
	The big corporations and the government doesn't really care how skilled or how efficient you are.
	You're expendable.
	And cost efficiency is not necessarily an object because generally the owners of these big corporations are printing a...
	Well, that's it.
	The globalists print the money, they run the drugs, they run the prostitutes.
	It's all about control.
	Money is a tool of control.
	Paul Watson comments to the wisdom of Ali.
	The jobs are not only being shipped to India, they're bringing Indians into the country to work the jobs for lower wages.
	I mean, we've got the so-called skilled worker program in this country, which does exactly that, making more of us unemployed.
	And as you were saying earlier, Alex, even people you know are being asked to train these Indians to take over their own jobs where they get a temporary contract just to do that, and then they're booted out of the company.
	Yeah, I know people who've been at companies 20 years...
	And so they've gotten up into seniority.
	They've got an engineering degree.
	They're making $75,000 a year, working their tails off.
	They'd be making $200,000 10 years ago.
	And they tell them, we're going to cut your pay in half.
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	Then you're fired.
	You want it or do you want to be out of here?
	And they'll make this overtime mandatory, like the post office already does, and you'll work overtime or you'll hit the road.
	Well, Allie, shame on you.
	You're talking about really important issues instead of Saddam.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Anything else you want to add?
	This is using subterfuge to require a longer work week.
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	We've been talking a lot about the economy, which is just terrible to listeners.
	They care about a ballooning trade deficit, a plunging dollar, the expansion of NAFTA and GATT in the free trade area of the Americas.
	While they said the troops in Iraq aren't getting a bonus, they'll be kept warm by the capture of Saddam as their wives go on food stamps and CPS takes their children.
	And how dare you say it's bad for Bush to hand Taiwan over to China, which is basically what he's done by arming them, not arming Taiwan, and breaking our 50-plus year treaty with them.
	You're a communist if you're against communist China.
	You're a communist if you're for the Second Amendment.
	You're a liberal if you're for controlling our borders.
	That's the new neocon paradigm.
	And people are buying it hook, line, and sinker, though a lot of folks are starting to wake up.
	Well, really, I'll...
	You know, you must not watch enough TV.
	You're concerned about the economy shutting down and the police state and the Federal Reserve.
	Don't you care about Saddam?
	How about you just be homeless?
	You can still worship Bush.
	I suppose that's what they'd like to see us do.
	As a matter of fact, you may be required to for very long, or whoever's in his place.
	If you don't worship him, you're for Al-Qaeda.
	Thanks for the call.
	Watson, comments on that?
	Well, all it is is this false capitalist system that China came out and publicly announced, oh, we're now capitalists.
	It's low wages, long hours, working at gunpoint.
	That's their definition of free market capitalism.
	Three years ago, Jiang Zemin said at the 50th anniversary of Mao, three years ago, and in Tiananmen Square, and he said, capitalism is the ultimate form of communism.
	Well, that's their capitalism where it's a police state.
	You're absolutely right.
	Yeah, it's government tied in with corporations, which goes back to the very definition of fascism.
	So you travel so far around the political spectrum and you arrive at the same place, whether you want to call it communism or fascism.
	Well, it's the same thing with Russia.
	You've got six strong men running the country, still the same secret police, still the gulags, but our media just doesn't talk about it.
	Remember two years ago, and every year, Russia buys more slaves from North Korea?
	Publicly, just buys trainloads, 30,000 at a pop, for the slave camps.
	And the Russian guards wouldn't shoot them when they'd escape, so that's how it went public, all these people starving to death in forest labor camps, Paul.
	And then they call Russia a democracy because they have elections, the recent elections in Russia, before which there was a nice, convenient terrorist attack, of course.
	And the elections themselves were rife with ballot stuffing and all this sort of thing.
	The media was only towing the party line of the party that Putin wanted to win.
	But they're capitalists now, and they put the Red Stars so good back on the tanks.
	Yeah, I mean, I still get emails from people who think that Putin's some kind of, you know, fighting the New World Order by calling for a different New World Order.
	It's like the difference between vanilla ice cream and strawberry ice cream.
	It's still the same ice cream.
	It's the New World Order, whether it's led by China or Russia or whoever.
	It's all about world government.
	Exactly.
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	Yeah, yeah.
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	It's all coming up.
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	In the last week, it has been confirmed...
	Dozens of times, but confirmed yet again, that the British are carrying out almost all terror bombings in London, in Ireland, over the last 20-plus years.
	In some cases, the last 30 years, since 1976.
	It has been confirmed that in the Philippines, the U.S.
	government and the CIA are carrying out the bombings to, quote, keep martial law going in the nation.
	It's being confirmed that Musarif over in Pakistan blows stuff up, has fake assassination attempts on himself as a pretext to crack down on the population.
	It's being confirmed that MI5 and 6 were involved in other bombings, and MI6 involved in the killing of Princess Diana.
	This is mainstream stuff.
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	We're good to go.
	Saddam Hussein is a horrible thug, but when the media says, he's so evil, Saddam attacked Iran, which I know you've all heard, our government funded and ordered him to do it.
	We put him in.
	I hear him on the news going, he beat his way to power, a ruthless dictator.
	Yes, we put him in, but people don't have memories.
	So yes, he's bad.
	What does that mean about our policies?
	It's incredible.
	Paul Watson, does that annoy you when you see him do that?
	Yeah, I mean, in order out of chaos, I've got a whole chapter on how Saddam Hussein was put into power by the U.S., given all the biologicals.
	I mean, this is out of Republican Senate reports, and I mean, I've got a quote here out of the London Times.
	Donald Rumsfeld, the U.S.
	Defense Secretary and one of the most strident critics of Saddam Hussein, met the Iraqi president in 1983, and it's almost 20 years ago to the day.
	To ease the way for U.S.
	companies to sell Baghdad biological and chemical weapons, including anthrax and bubonic plague, according to newly classified, declassified U.S.
	government documents.
	I mean, we had Colin Powell basically running the Iraqi battlefield intelligence, gassing the Iranian troops, and I mean...
	This has all come out in official government documents, and yet... We have the CIA there telling him wind patterns, satellite photos, and because of that, he didn't kill all those children or Kurds.
	We've got the guy who was in the White House when it happened, Ray McGovern, coming on.
	That was Iranian blowback, just like the Germans had in World War I, of their own cyanide Soviet gas they were given.
	This is admitted.
	That's why you notice now when they talk about the trial, it's been alleged he nerve-gassed them.
	Now notice it's been alleged, Paul.
	Yeah, I mean, that article came out end of last year, where it was in the New York Times, where the CIA agent who was on the ground at the time said that he didn't gas the Kurds.
	It was blowback, and the Iranians were involved in it as well.
	Well, they tested the blood.
	The Iranians used cyanide gas.
	Saddam was using sarin and VX.
	So it's real simple.
	But the point is we're not defending Saddam.
	I mean, I've heard them on the radio, Paul.
	I don't know what it's like in England, but on the radio here, they go, this savage demon seized power bloodily in 1979.
	He wickedly attacked Iran, who was defenseless for no reason.
	He evilly did this and that.
	When our government the whole time was ordering him, running him, it's admitted!
	I just, how do they get away with this?
	I'll tell you, people are so ignorant, they don't know what the First Amendment is, they don't know where Iraq is, they don't know how many continents there are, they don't have any history, do they?
	Well, no, but they know how to buy an Ann Coulter action figure.
	Fact is, with Iraq, I mean, yeah, that's the outpouring that I've seen.
	Complete government worship.
	And it goes back to Orwell's 1984, where we forget who we were at war with.
	We're now at war with someone else and just forget about the previous war against Iran when we were supporting Iraq.
	So...
	The same process, and I mean, they'll use it again when Saddam spills the beans on Syria after being tortured, which is what Herat's newspaper reported, that he's going to implicate Syria with weapons of mass destruction, and then we'll go in and take out Syria as well.
	Then they'll grab Assad, and he'll say it's Iran's now got him, and then Iran will say, oh no, Libya's got him, and then it's just a domino effect.
	And then Iran will say, oh yeah, we got us from North Korea, and then they'll go into North Korea, so it's just
	The same process again and again.
	And they've got the nice new national draft, and when we're attacking North Korea and losing hundreds of thousands of troops, the new national draft, there'll be no discussion of Rumsfeld selling them the nuclear reactors.
	No, and that was reported by Reuters.
	In fact, that's still going on.
	They recently put another reactor back online, and it turns out that this is one of the reactors that Rumsfeld sold them back in.
	Yeah, he was on the board of ABB.
	Let's...
	Let's go to, we're about to go to Babs and Gary and Charles and Ken, but real quick, Malta and Denmark.
	We get calls from Canada and Denmark and Germany and Australia.
	Malta, go ahead.
	You're on the air from Denmark.
	I just want to say, you're talking so much about this corruption and about your government.
	It's not your government.
	It's not my government.
	It's the bloodline's government.
	They decide what's to happen.
	Only them
	We don't have any influence of that.
	I think they only do something we like if they think they are in trouble and they have to do something.
	Well, that's it.
	And there is a top globalist banking families and royal families.
	And they manipulate the phony left-right spectrum.
	They get us through the dirty work in Iraq.
	They make the U.N.
	look like the good cop is against the war and then energize the leftward-leaning world government and then bypass any discussion of, we don't want a world government.
	Now it's, what type of world government will it be?
	The globalists even write white papers up about how to present the world government with this bipolar left-right situation when it really is a unipolar, one-pole situation
	Global system.
	Paul Watson comments on what our caller from Denmark is saying.
	Well, yes, when you go up to people and say that U.S.
	government carried out 9-1-1, sometimes they say, oh, yeah, I agree that U.S.
	foreign policy is partly responsible.
	We're not talking about U.S.
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	but worldwide leaders have.
	Bilderberg, Royal Institute of International Affairs,
	Absolutely.
	Malta, thanks for the call.
	Let's talk to Babs in Texas, a little closer to home.
	Babs, you're on the air.
	Hi, Alex.
	Yes.
	There are a couple of things.
	I would like to have a definition and also...
	Of MI5 and MI6.
	I don't know what that stands for.
	Okay, MI5 is the internal British secret police.
	MI6 is external.
	MI5 is like their FBI.
	MI6 is like their CIA.
	But Paul's over there and written a book about MI5 and MI6, Order Out of Chaos.
	And, Paul, would you like to elaborate?
	Well, yeah, that's exactly what it is.
	MI5 looks for subversives within the UK and MI6 looks for subversives in foreign countries and it stands for Military Intelligence 5, Military Intelligence 6 which is devolved from an older organisation which is why they split up into those two factions.
	Does that answer your question?
	Yes, I think so.
	Now, would you tell me what you said a while ago?
	Were you talking about Russian slave guards?
	What was that word?
	Okay, I've got BBC, I've got Scotsman, I've got AP, I've got Reuters, but Limbaugh or Hannity would never touch it.
	Our good little reform buddies, Putin, for three years in a row, it happens each year,
	North Korea owes $4.3 billion last time I checked.
	I'm having to access that mental file, folks.
	A little bit of hesitation there.
	And to pay down the interest on their debt, they transfer 30-plus thousand slaves, political dissidents...
	We're good to go.
	Well, yeah, I remember the actual article was out of the London Times.
	I think it was July 2001.
	So if you just go onto the London Times website, then I'm sure you'll find it.
	I don't know the exact date, but it was July 2001.
	He had a press conference and thanked him for the slaves.
	They sit up on podiums, thank people for slaves, and then we all sit here and talk about how evil Saddam is.
	Oh, how horrible.
	It's a disgusting joke.
	Alex, my family, all of them, don't believe what I'm saying.
	I have known about the One World Order since 1965 when I lived in California.
	And I learned at that time that Prescott Bush said it was going to take about 60 years.
	He said in 1933 that it would take about 65 years to get the One World Order in place for a takeover.
	Now, I want to know where I can find that in writing so that my child will believe it.
	Well, I'm not an encyclopedia.
	I know Prescott Bush.
	You do a pretty good job, Alex.
	Well, thank you, Babs.
	Let me answer your question.
	We're going to let you go.
	Prescott Bush, Skull and Bones member, Bohemian Grove member.
	The Nazi money went into his coffers right up until 1953.
	That's mainstream news.
	It just came out last month.
	He has been a supporter of world government.
	The particular quote you're talking about I don't have in front of me.
	Paul?
	No, I don't have it either.
	But, I mean, his son said the same thing in 1991, calling for a new world order.
	N-92, N-90, and...
	1989, every state of the union he gave.
	We'll come back and talk to Gary Charles Kinn and others, and then we've got Ray McGovern coming on.
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	Paul Watson.
	Some more big 9-11 news broke, and it's been overshadowed by the Saddam diversion.
	Comments on that?
	Yeah, well, we had an article from North Jersey Media Group which talks about how the Air National 177th Fighter Unit based at Atlantic City International Airport had two F-16s stationed eight minutes away from the World Trade Center.
	And what happened is that a few weeks before the attack, they had their mission changed from being a scramble-ready squadron to protect American airspace
	To overflights in Iraq and Afghanistan, just by coincidence.
	And on the morning of 9-11, they were decommissioned.
	They were practicing bombing runs to target foreign countries rather than being ready to stand guard against... And all the others got ordered to stand down, too.
	Let's talk to Gary in Tennessee.
	Gary, thanks for holding her on the air.
	How are you all doing?
	Good.
	Good.
	Well, I had a theory about...
	Okay, they said he said, don't shoot.
	I'm Saddam Hussein, president of Iraq.
	Okay, to me, it really looked like him.
	I may be wrong, but okay, say it was one of his body doubles that in there.
	Would he be so brainwashed that he would... We're not saying it's a body double.
	We're saying he'd already been captured, and that's what a lot of members of Congress... What I'm saying is, if it was me, I'd be saying, hey, don't shoot.
	I'm one of these body devils.
	You've got the wrong guy.
	You've got the wrong guy.
	Absolutely, Gary.
	Thanks for the call.
	Paul?
	Well, yeah, I mean, we've already gone over the fact that we don't think it's a body double.
	But, I mean, the fallout from this is, I mean, will he blow the whistle on his former business partners at the trail?
	I mean, you've got Milosevic in his trail almost every other day saying,
	Oh, I'm being tortured to confess.
	You know, it's all about a new world order.
	They're putting me on trial.
	So if Saddam comes out with those sort of comments, then you can expect the media to hush them up immediately.
	Yeah, you don't hear about Milošević saying it's a new world order, I've been tortured.
	And by the way, Bill Clinton with his lies about masquerades.
	I'm not saying Milošević is a good guy, but compared to the Croats and the Muslims, bin Laden working with the CIA to start the war, that's admitted congressional hearings by Republicans in 1999.
	It's a disgusting joke, folks.
	Absolute fraud.
	Charles, Louisiana.
	Go ahead, Charles.
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	Fine.
	I have a question for Mr. Paul.
	Do you think the people in England will stand up when the time comes, if it comes?
	Do you think they have the guts to stand up?
	Well, I think they have the guts, but they don't have the guns because we've been completely disarmed.
	So, I mean, that's why the main focus of our website is on America because it's the last bastion of freedom where people are armed and a lot of people are still informed as to what's going on.
	So, I mean, England is basically a completely spineless socialist set-up, I'm afraid to say.
	And that's been the case for many years.
	So my main focus is on saving America and saving the world via, you know, that route because England's basically gone at the moment.
	That's what I'm afraid of.
	Y'all can't even defend yourself down there.
	You're put in prison.
	If you catch someone raping your wife and you stab them, you get five years in prison.
	They get a pension.
	Well, I just thank you, Mr. Paul, for what you're doing, son.
	You're really a brave man.
	I just hope the American people start fighting, doing something, helping you all out.
	Because if we don't fight, sir, we're going to perish.
	We're going to perish.
	It's better to die free than be a slave.
	Thank you for what you're doing, Mr. Jones.
	I'm really discouraged, but I hope they pass your tapes out there.
	And I hope to God that the people get some gut.
	Start standing up to these people.
	I am sick of these people.
	I am so sick of them.
	Sick of their lies.
	I hear your concern.
	God bless you.
	Ken in Texas, you're on the air.
	Good to talk to you, Ken.
	Go ahead, Ken.
	How you doing, Alex?
	Feinster, go ahead.
	Yeah, I just want to say I don't beat around the bush when I make a call on it.
	There's no doubt the American people cried out to God September 11th, but they just cried out to the wrong one.
	They cried out to the federal government.
	And with this Patriot Act 2 that Bush signed, you know, that's what we get.
	We look at those Arabs, or quote-unquote the terrorists or the Muslims, and we get politically stabbed in the back.
	So I guess the moral of the story is don't cry out to a false god.
	Absolutely.
	I hear what you're saying.
	Paul comments to what Ken just said.
	Well, yeah, I mean, that's what's going on.
	They've made government a god because they've tied it in with this false George Bush Christian ethic when George Bush is not a Christian, and he's proposing all these laws which butcher the Constitution, like Patriot Act II, which he just passed and which he called for.
	And now they grab their business partner and nothing's said, and Bin Laden's their admitted business partner.
	Time and time again, this is all staged.
	Thanks, Ken.
	Paul Watson, thanks for coming on the show.
	I really appreciate you, buddy.
	Okay, thanks, Alex.
	You bet.
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	But he does join us today here for the next 25 minutes or so.
	Mr. McGovern, just in a nutshell...
	Well, it's good to be back, Alex.
	You bet.
	Thank you for inviting me.
	It's a complex story, and I'll try to be brief.
	Back in the 80s, of course, we had just escaped from the trauma of having all those U.S.
	diplomats and others holed up in the U.S.
	Embassy in Iran.
	And so Iranians were our primary, quote, enemy, end quote, in those days.
	And certainly we didn't want any of the Iranians to be expanding their power still more.
	And so Saddam Hussein was seen as a counterweight to that.
	And so he became...
	Uh, bad guy, but he became our bad guy, sort of like Noriega in Panama.
	There's a difference between other guys, bad guys, and our bad guys, okay?
	So we supported Saddam Hussein during his war with Iran to the point of exchanging very sensitive intelligence with him, which gave him the upper hand.
	We also did all kinds of things in terms of allowing sensitive intelligence
	Sensitive materials to get to Iraq.
	Those materials later criticized as being precursors to chemical and biological weapons.
	Well, the 94 Senate report says anthrax, botulism, West Nile as well.
	That's exactly right.
	And so it's quite hypocritical.
	Since we knew that he was using nerve gas, for example, against the Iranians,
	In those years, all of a sudden, we turn around after supporting him in that, after saying nothing about it, essentially.
	Then all of a sudden, he becomes an imminent danger, not only to his neighbors,
	But to us.
	And that's after his real capability has been blown to bits.
	I mean, they could say he was dangerous in 90, but not after 91.
	And, I mean, I hear him on the news going, he attacked Iran.
	He came to power in 79.
	He's a vicious killer.
	Didn't our government basically, well, back in 54, use him as a CIA assassin?
	Well, I'm told, I don't know this officially, but I'm told that our government did support his consolidation of power, and that seems pretty clear from the historical record.
	But the whole thing is the background here, and it relates to your other question, Alex, when you question how we can possibly allow a free and unfettered trial of this fellow.
	And
	That's going to be a real problem for our administration, because if Saddam Hussein is allowed to say all the things he could say, it will be very damning to U.S.
	policy going back into the 80s, and it will show that it's been a very two-faced policy.
	Well, the Israelis at the Debka file, mainly Mossad folks, say he looked like he'd been held for weeks, if not months, and that he'd been worked over pretty bad.
	And then we have Congressman McDermott saying that, and that he's attacked as partisan.
	But then I have another congressman here, LaHood, Ray LaHood, on December 2nd,
	Told the Associated Press that I know something you don't know.
	We're about to give you Saddam.
	So what do you think is really going on here?
	Yeah, I found LaHood's comments really intriguing.
	He sits on the Intelligence Committee in the Congress, and so he has access to some of this information.
	I don't have a definitive judgment on this, but it is intriguing indeed.
	Well, how can they say that McDermott is an evil communist traitor, as the neocons are now saying, for saying something that Franks said in Cigar Aficionado in the December issue, the head of CENTCOM, saying something that LaHood said?
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, this business of name-calling, when people call General Zinni, for example, who headed the CENTCOM troops, when they call him,
	A Marine General, highly decorated, when they call him a traitor of some kind, and now they call other people traitors.
	I mean, that just shows the depths to which the discussion has degenerated.
	Now, take Congressman, the one from Washington you just mentioned.
	McDermott.
	McDermott, yeah.
	He was over there, you may recall, he was over there in the fall of 2002, okay?
	And I remember George Stephanopoulos asking him live on his program, Congressman McDermott, do you think that the president would deceive the American people?
	And Congressman McDermott smiled and he said, of course I do.
	And George Stephanopoulos sort of gulped, and I could hear in the TV rooms in my rather affluent neighborhood, I could hear the gasps going up like that.
	And of course, then McDermott said, you know,
	Deceiving the American people is a bipartisan activity.
	Think of how Lyndon Johnson deceived the American people.
	And so don't be surprised.
	Just to be aware that any time a president decides to go to war, which Bush had already decided three months previous, any time a U.S.
	president decides to go to war...
	Then you cannot really expect that you'll get the full story.
	Well, look at all the lies we've seen.
	Fake news articles posted by the Pentagon, signed by troops that never saw it.
	Jessica Lynch fables, Niger uranium deals that didn't exist.
	Mobile weapons trucks they knew day one were British-sold trucks were pumping up hot air balloons.
	I mean, they knew all this, and how can we believe anything they say?
	I've never seen lies at this level, and I cut my teeth saying,
	Mr. McGovern, exposing Bill Clinton.
	I have never seen a wall of lies.
	Have you?
	I have not.
	Like this?
	And let me just add to that, Alex.
	And I go back a ways.
	I came on in government when John F. Kennedy was president.
	So I saw LBJ and I saw Nixon and saw all the rest of them.
	There was a lot of duplicity, and there were a lot of lies.
	And why are you now speaking up?
	I saw you on a British interview saying, compared to Scowcroft and Bush and the senior, the people running the White House now are, quote, crazies.
	Yeah.
	Well, now, that phrase goes back to the 80s, but let me just tell you the difference between now and then with respect to the lies.
	Okay.
	I have never seen such a...
	Well orchestrated.
	The epitome of PR proficiency.
	Campaign going for 18 months as they prepared for this war.
	You see, the other lies, the lie about the Gulf of Tonkin, well that was sort of a spur of the moment opportunity as LBJ saw it.
	I don't excuse that, but it's a different kind of conspiracy.
	A program!
	To the president, and then allowing him to wage this unprovoked war.
	First time in our history that our country has ever, on such a scale, waged a deliberate unprovoked war.
	Now, the other thing is, you mentioned the crazies.
	Well, you know, that's really an interesting situation, because, as I think you mentioned yesterday, I used to...
	Brief, George Herbert Walker Bush, when he was vice president every other morning, and I worked directly for him when he was the director of the CIA, I think very highly of the man.
	We have a good personal relationship still.
	And, you know, when I think of the differences here between his son and him, that's just very striking.
	But getting back to the crazies, during the mid-'80s, the early-'80s,
	These fellows were all around.
	I mean, Wolfowitz, Feith, Wormser, Bolton, Cheney, they were all around.
	They called Pearl the Prince of Darkness.
	Yeah, right.
	I should have mentioned him first.
	Now, they were all in the Pentagon or somewhere, but they were kept at a sort of innocuous middle level until Wolfowitz wrote that defense posture statement in early 92.
	Somebody leaked that.
	It went to the Times, and what does it say?
	It said all the things that we have now implemented.
	It said, for example, that when we see a situation where we have a chance to assert our strength in an area where we can, a strategic area like Iraq that has a lot of oil,
	We damn well better do that, because that's our responsibility.
	That's a manifest destiny for our country.
	And that was repeated by the PNAC documents, and the neocons will say, it's never about oil when we have signed confessions from you.
	Exactly.
	So what I'm saying is here that when that document came out, the Wolfowitz defense posture document, George Bush I was still in power, and he...
	He called his chief advisor, General Scowcroft and Jim Baker, who is Secretary of State, and they discussed, what do you do about this?
	How did this guy get on the loose?
	You know, we're supposed to keep those people in their place.
	Well, they decided the only thing to do is to disavow it and put it in the circular file, which they did.
	And so those of us who knew that story, when we saw what George Bush II started to do when he came into power here in Washington,
	And giving top jobs to Cheney.
	Well, Cheney, of course, was elected, but Rumsfeld and Feith and Wolfowitz and those folks.
	Then we said, my God, the crazies are back.
	And why would we call them the crazies?
	Well, because that's how they were widely known in the 80s.
	If somebody said, whoops, something has to do with the crazies, everyone knew precisely who those folks were.
	And I submit to you, Alex Jones,
	If you look at the decisions that have been made with respect to Iraq over the last year or so, I mean, crazies is the only possible explanation.
	Well, we've had Marine Corps generals go public.
	We've had admirals.
	We've had CIA people.
	We've even had Scowcroft.
	But then they get called traitors by the media, and there is no so-called leftist media, and they claim, oh, the leftists are against the war.
	I mean...
	Well, Alex, I hope this doesn't happen to you, but I had an interviewer on an ABC affiliate here in Washington who had me on maybe seven or eight times.
	There was another fellow in WOR up in New York that had me on twice.
	Both of them got canned.
	Both of them were told, we know you'll only eat your services.
	When people called up and said, what happened?
	They said, well, the audience reaction wasn't all that good.
	Yeah, and that's not true.
	They purposefully, all over the country, censor calls now, Claire Channel and others do, where you can't even get on the air if you disagree.
	And then people hear the shows like it's the First Amendment and there's a discussion going on.
	It's not.
	It's staged.
	And it's very scary to see this happening.
	Let's briefly, and then I'll take a few calls here, nerve gas.
	On this show, you talked about what really happened with the nerve gas, who really nerve gassed the Kurds, and you talked about the cyanide-based nerve gas of the Iranians.
	You were there in the White House at the time.
	What really happened?
	Well, you know, Alex, that's still not altogether clear.
	One of my colleagues has written extensively suggesting that it was Iranian gas that was used there, but I am no expert on this.
	I have checked with many experts.
	It's not really...
	Nothing is... Well, last time you were on, I read the articles about how when they tested the dead bodies, it was the Soviet variant of gas the Iranians were using.
	Yeah, I know, Alex, and I know I said that last time, but I've gone more deeply into it with more and more experts.
	And all I can say is that it's not conclusive.
	Well, no, I respect that.
	And understand, I'm not here defending Saddam Hussein.
	He's a horrible thug.
	But compared to Bush saying, Taiwan, we're going to change our policy, or compared to giving reactors to North Korea, I just see this as an excuse to grab oil and sell weapons and to have a private cash machine for Dick Cheney and Halliburton.
	Your comments on that?
	Well, these are all true.
	There's an overriding rationale for this, though, and that rationale appears in the documents to which you referred, the PNAC documents.
	And for those of your listeners, just go on the web and type in Project for a New American Century.
	And the documents that will appear there are the ideological, the strategic justification for the policies that are now being implemented by the crazies, the war against Iraq and so forth.
	And you'll see in those documents the equivalent of Hitler's Mein Kampf.
	Mein Kampf was the strategic document that if anybody took it seriously, they could have seen what was happening.
	And people have not taken very seriously the documents of the Project for a New American Century.
	Well, in the Rebuilding America's Defense in September 2000, Cheney says we need to legitimize the use of race-specific bioweapons.
	I mean, that is so insane, I can't believe I just said it.
	I read it off their website.
	Legitimize the use of race-specific bioweapons.
	They're talking about killing certain races, folks.
	Now, he wrote that.
	We'll be back with Ray McGovern and take some calls.
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	I was talking to...
	Ray McGovern during the break, and we're not sure who used the nerve gas on who.
	They've got Army documents that say it was the Iranians.
	They've got CIA that say it was Saddam.
	The point is they're all a bunch of thugs over there killing each other.
	We were backing Saddam.
	It's very hypocritical now to go, oh, look how evil he is.
	America's cleaned him up for everybody when we helped put this monster in power and backed up what he was doing.
	We're going to try to jam a few calls in here.
	For Ray McGovern, I really appreciate coming on the show.
	Ray, and I know you can only speculate here, but using your analyst mind, do you think they'll assassinate Saddam?
	Will he get a Lee Harvey, Oswald, Jack Ruby-type killing?
	Or will he get a fast-developing cancer?
	Or will they torture him and roll him out?
	Or will he make a deal and blow the whistle on Iran or Syria with false info?
	What do you think is going to happen?
	Well, Alex, it's a difficult situation for the administration because they need to get an international, objective, non-partisan presence in there as they deal with Saddam Hussein.
	Unfortunately, the arrogance and the disrespect for the opinion of humankind that has been illustrated by this regime in Washington would suggest that they're not going to do that.
	Now, if they don't do that, if they don't have somebody watching them,
	Then all the bets are off.
	Number one, they will never let Saddam Hussein say all he knows about the U.S.-Iraqi relationship.
	And number two, they will always disparage what he says if it doesn't accord with what they have said.
	For example, the weapons of mass destruction.
	Well, where are they?
	Okay, where are they?
	I've been accused of having my tongue in cheek when I said the first thing they should ask him is, where are the weapons of mass destruction?
	And they did.
	Well, they did, yeah.
	But now he says, there aren't any, okay?
	And people say, or the mass media says,
	Well, how are you going to trust him?
	He's lying.
	Well, is David Kaye, the U.S.
	U.N.
	inspector, lying when he says it?
	Well, the point is that they didn't have that many weapons before the war.
	They had a lot less after.
	They're nothing compared to their other neighbors.
	You can't have one policy for Iraq and ten other policies for other countries that are 100 times more dangerous.
	Mike in Ohio, you're on the air with our guest, Ray McGovern.
	Go ahead, Mike.
	Hi, Mike.
	Yeah, my name's Mark, but that's okay.
	Mr. McGovern...
	What was your cabinet post there at the Bush-Reagan administration?
	Mark, it wasn't a cabinet post.
	I was one of the CIA briefers that took the president's daily briefs down in the morning and briefed the highest advisors to the president.
	Okay.
	I'm also familiar with Wolfowitz's document.
	Is there some way I can actually...
	Find that defense prosecutor document on the Internet?
	I believe so.
	Try first with the Project for a New American Century.
	Project for a New American Century?
	Yeah, and I'm sure that they would have links to it.
	Yeah, that's their website, too.
	It's not us saying this.
	Oh, it is?
	Yeah, and, you know, for example, one of those documents, the one that Alex just referred to, talks about the ability of our military has to be able to
	Wage two wars at the same time and also conduct what they call constabulatory duties.
	In other words, be constables in the countries that we occupy.
	Yeah, occupy countries in the imperial... I'm familiar with that document a little bit because I saw a PBS special dealing with that document.
	Mark, I've got to let you go.
	Sir, I just want to also tell you that your signal is being jammed here in Cincinnati, Ohio.
	So apparently your guest right now... Okay, thank you for the call.
	I've got to let you go.
	We're out of time, ladies and gentlemen.
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	Ray McGovern, thanks for coming on.
	Not at all, Alex.
	I appreciate it.
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