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Air Date: July 11, 2003
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	This is the Genesis Communications Radio Network.
	Big Brother.
	Mainstream media.
	Government cover-ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	Hello ladies and gentlemen.
	It is Tuesday, the 8th of July, 2003.
	Big show for you lined up today.
	In the first hour, we have the webmaster of PrisonPlanet.com joining us.
	He's Paul Joseph Watson.
	He lives in the United Kingdom.
	He has a great head on his shoulders for analyzing the New World Order and covering and posting pertinent facts and tracking their lies and doing daily flashbacks to show how they put out different propaganda almost on a daily basis now.
	I think we're good to go.
	We'll talk about the lies of that government concerning Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction and his opinion on British citizens held at Camp X-Ray to be tried without juries and, yes, to be executed.
	So that's all coming up in about 30 minutes.
	We've got Catherine Albrecht, the head of Caspian, coming on the show.
	We had her on a few weeks ago.
	We were talking about RFIDs before RFIDs were cool, as they say.
	The small, trackable microchips are going to go in all your clothes, all your razors, all your food cans and containers, everything!
	And we told you it was about a control grid to tax and trace you.
	Well, now, Caspian, their organization, has basically, I want to say hacked,
	But used software to get into internal areas of the big RFID consortium's website and got secret documents, and the RFID group admits they're accurate and are very angry, and they talk about how they want to, quote, manipulate, neutralize, pacify you, and get you to accept the cashless society control grip.
	We're good to go.
	Well, folks just went to Hatch's website and found out that he had pirated software.
	He'd used pirated software to build his very fancy, expensive website.
	So there were thousands of dollars.
	Just one piece of software that they'd stolen cost $400, a serious crime.
	And so the organization that went in and scanned his site and found out that they didn't
	Have the proper serial numbers for the stuff.
	It's stolen it.
	They're now calling for Hatch to be arrested, and I think it's a great idea.
	He's a gun-grabbing, un-American liberal, and I'm sick of neocons like him.
	So, we're on the march.
	The Empire's on the run, but that only makes them more dangerous.
	We will track the latest global developments and unravel the New World Order.
	Here on the show today.
	Big show lined up.
	And we're going to take a lot of phone calls in this first hour.
	And when Watson's on with us.
	So you'll definitely want to join us.
	The toll-free number to get involved on air.
	In fact, I'll take calls before we even get Watson on.
	If folks call and want to talk about some issues.
	800-259-9231.
	1-800-259-9231.
	Now, the White House today had to admit that, yes, they knew that Africa didn't sell Saddam uranium and that Bush lied in his State of the Union.
	That's kind of a big deal.
	And why about everything else, being the big socialists, big government liberals they are, the neocons they are, the lying creatures they are.
	So that's coming up.
	Also, Ministry of Defense report poor scorn on evidence of Iraq weapons of mass destruction, admitting they lied.
	Blair's now been caught in his little fight with the BBC as being a big fat liar.
	Frank says bring it on.
	More U.S.
	troops get killed.
	Stay with us.
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	The original film was 144 minutes long.
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	The Road to Tyranny is already sending shockwaves through Washington and across the United States.
	You absolutely must see this DVD.
	It covers the history of government-sponsored terrorism, the police state and homeland security,
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	Big Brother.
	Mainstream media.
	Government cover-ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	You know, I've said it so many times, and it's true, because you're calm, you're...
	You're happy, at least some of the time.
	During the breaks, we have discussions that are much more entertaining and interesting and informative than we have on the air.
	And it doesn't matter if I'm doing Real Talk Radio on Saturdays with John Statmiller, or if I'm doing a show with Michael Trudeau, or if I'm just talking to...
	Mark and Matt and Chris and people during the breaks, we were just trying to one-up each other during the last three-minute break with who bought the most fireworks and who had the best mortar shells and cannons before the BATF comes and gets me.
	That's what they call the big tubes you buy that shoot the professional fireworks.
	And I was bragging that
	We're good to go.
	All right.
	This sounds like mainstream radio now.
	I'm starting the show discussing fireworks.
	But I do enjoy going out with family in the middle of the countryside on a beautiful star-filled night and shooting fireworks off for three hours.
	I really did enjoy it.
	And I love the Fourth of July, but I don't love the Fourth of July just because my dad made the best beef ribs and brisket that he smoked all day.
	And I didn't just enjoy the Fourth of July because we shot all these fireworks off, what my uncle bought, what my dad bought, and what I bought.
	I enjoyed the Fourth of July because I remembered those that fought and died to make America the successful experiment it was and should still be, but it's frankly not, folks, in many respects, a free society.
	Because on my way, and I talked about this some yesterday, but you really can't stress it enough.
	On my way to East Texas to visit family from Central Texas, I watched swarms, wolf packs, and they even call them wolf packs.
	We're good to go.
	We're good to go.
	And they would have families standing out on the side of the road in the heat and the fire ants, their goods stacked out on the road, their fireworks being inspected.
	I saw this toddler standing there with his mother in fear, looking at these officers as they directed the father to dig through his car and remove the spare tire for them.
	And I wanted to pull over and I wanted to scream at those police officers that they're desecrating everything America is, was, and is going to be.
	And then it just got worse and worse.
	There were flashing billboards, report illegal guns, report tips, report terrorism, don't drink and drive, drink and drive, go to jail.
	The billboards started just don't drink and drive.
	Now it's report guns, report terrorists.
	I heard little FEMA announcements on the radio.
	I heard talk show hosts saying we should be thankful to the government on the 4th of July.
	It made me sick.
	We're good to go.
	I thought about our jobs shutting down and our factories leaving our shores forever.
	I thought about how the number one part of our economy is giant prisons and law enforcement and security and surveillance.
	I thought about the Pentagon announcing that everything we do will be watched and tracked.
	I thought about how they're getting rid of Posse Comitatus and bringing in foreign troops.
	I thought about the forced inoculation plans and the new $6.3 billion federal bureaucracy yearly called BioShield to forcibly inoculate you and to build the giant infrastructures.
	And I got very angry.
	But for those two and a half, three hours I was shooting fireworks off, I kind of forgot about it.
	But...
	You know, sometimes I get tired, sometimes I, just for a few seconds, will lose the fire, the will and the desire to get on the radio and to do interviews morning, noon, and night, and to do my own syndicated show, and I sometimes lose the fire to make a new documentary film, or I lose the fire in my belly to sit there for hours every night reading news stories on the news wires.
	We're good to go.
	We're good to go.
	Saying that every child needs vaccines.
	It should be illegal not to take vaccines.
	Everybody should be forced to take all the new vaccines.
	This is on the other station.
	And how wonderful the vaccines are and how there's all these conspiracy theorists that think vaccines are bad for you.
	So I said, you know, I'm going to call into this station.
	And of course everybody knows my voice.
	And I can successfully call into some local stations if I call in and go, yes, I'd like to talk to the host, please.
	A lot of folks talk like this in Central Texas, so I can get on the air.
	So I called in and I said, I'd like to disagree with the host about the story he's reading.
	And the call screen goes, what do you want to discuss?
	I said, well, I want to talk about, and of course in the fake voice, well, because they know it's me, I won't get on the air.
	Well, I'd like to discuss, bring up that he's saying there's no danger to vaccines.
	It's admitted that SV40 in many of the vaccines, not just the polio vaccine, is a dangerous cancer-causing virus.
	They admit it's caused all these new forms of cancer.
	This is admitted by major medical establishments, University of Chicago.
	He goes, what else?
	And I said, well, I said, autism's up 2,000%, and some of it could be misdiagnosis or more diagnosis, but a lot of it has been proven to the additives of the vaccine.
	George Bush had the vaccine record sealed and tried to sign an executive order and then passed a law that got repealed, by the way.
	They've admitted that.
	I didn't tell him that part.
	Last year, guarding the vaccine maker, so I said this to him, and of course I had something cogent to say, and he said, nope, I'm sorry, we're not going to let you on the air.
	And I said, why not?
	And he said, well, I just don't agree with what you're saying.
	And I said, but it doesn't matter if you agree.
	It doesn't matter if you agree with what I'm saying, sir.
	I'd like a chance to talk.
	And he said, nope.
	And I said, so there's no free speech on this station.
	Now, understand, I'm not talking about News Talk 1260 KWNX.
	I'm talking about this other station owned by the president's family.
	The president from Austin will just say that.
	By the way, it just got sold to a big conglomerate.
	They've always been totally New World Order, neocon, you know, liberal stuff on the slide.
	They're owned by Democrats.
	Yellow Dog Democrats, big government types.
	And so I say to them, I said, so there's no First Amendment on your station?
	He goes, that's right, and slammed the phone down.
	So I then get on the phone, call three or four people, including my wife, and guess what?
	He wouldn't let any of them on, and every caller but one.
	I mean, they probably took 15 calls.
	Said it's bad.
	Everybody should be vaccinated.
	People are kooks.
	It's wrong.
	And I heard the host on air going, well, see, everybody's against this.
	Wonder why the legislature passed a law.
	Because I'll tell you about the law in a second.
	That's how this all got started.
	So there is censorship, folks, acting like it's free speech, acting like this is what the people want to hear.
	And I'd heard this about this station for years.
	I haven't really tried to call in much.
	But I never get on the air there.
	If you disagree with them,
	Frankly, folks, you have to lie to get on these talk shows.
	You have to call in and say you agree with them, and then they'll let you on.
	And it's even worse on national shows.
	I've called them national shows.
	Never get on.
	I guess I've been able to call it on a financial show and, frankly, lie.
	And this is a war.
	I'm not into lying.
	I've had questions of that.
	You know, is that proper?
	But I guess I really don't lie.
	I'll just kind of talk about some other side issue, get on, talk about that issue, and then branch off.
	But I have asked the listeners, you know, do you think that's ethical?
	And some have said no, some have said yes.
	But here I am on the air talking about it.
	But it's like being a spy in a war.
	They're the liars.
	They're the corrupt people holding out that it's the First Amendment.
	And it's not the First Amendment.
	It's all about censorship and crafting a view.
	Now, if you sound like an incoherent idiot, I've tested this before and disagree with them, they'll let you on.
	But if you don't agree with them or you don't sound like an incoherent idiot, some dumb liberal they can slap around or some dumb neocon they can slap around, they won't have you on.
	And, you know, I've called into a lot of national shows and had this happen.
	You know, I've been on road trips and tried for an hour to get through.
	You get through, you get on, you get to the call screener, and they hang up on you.
	So what does that say about America?
	A very serious question for everybody out there.
	Here is an article out of the Dallas Morning News yesterday that they were talking about on this local talk show.
	Law lets kids forego vaccines.
	Critics worry about health in schools.
	Others applaud choice.
	Well, wait a minute.
	It was already a law that you couldn't make a kid take a shot.
	The article acts like there was a law where you had to, but what the new law actually does is it says CPS can't come after you, because I went and got the law yesterday.
	And they passed it.
	I commend them.
	Because of pressure that a lot of our listeners, I remember our listeners were pushing for this, brought to bear.
	The Vaccine Awareness Network and others.
	So that's what the new law does.
	They would come after you.
	If there was no law, they would still come after you.
	Well, now it says CPS can't do that.
	Now, you know they're still going to do it.
	So when we get back, I'll tell you about this law in Texas that you need to have in your state.
	And then the staged event I watched unfold on talk radio here locally.
	It's disgusting!
	But I do have to say that News Talk 1260, KWNX, will not censor you.
	Be right back.
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	Folks, if you want to take vaccines, go ahead and knock yourself out.
	You know, I have said that it's your choice.
	Do it if you want to.
	Don't do it if you don't want to.
	Vaccines, if they were produced properly by trustworthy organizations, not eugenics-obsessed Nazis.
	Publicly funding extermination programs worldwide against the third world and being caught doing it to the vaccines.
	Official government plans, Australian, US, Canadian, British to do this.
	We didn't have all the reports, the mercury and the mycoplasms and the cancer viruses and the weird hormones and the UN getting caught sterilizing women with a tetanus shot that had a hormone added.
	I mean, this is all admitted.
	But yeah, we have companies that can be trusted, and four or five groups independently tested the vaccine lots, and yes, vaccines can be a good thing.
	You can give yourself an immunity, but there's no substitute for being healthy.
	But certainly vaccines can be a good thing, but they shouldn't be mandatory.
	And we've got a government that's trying to make dozens of new ones every year mandatory.
	In fact, there was an article last week about how they want now a whole new class of shots to be given.
	They're talking about making an anti-smoking vaccine mandatory.
	They were talking about making an Alzheimer's vaccine mandatory if they could get approval.
	Then it killed a bunch of the people that took it, so they backed off.
	They used to give kids before the age of two shots in Japan.
	Now they've made a law where you can't do it in Japan.
	Get killed and brain damaged so many children.
	They didn't have cases of autism that were known.
	In Japan, and now they do, and their government freaked out and said no.
	Autism was unheard of.
	It was an unknown thing just a few decades ago.
	Now it's all over the place.
	You go to the mall, you see kids all over the place nodding their heads, twiddling their fingers in front of their faces.
	This is real, people.
	And I wanted to call into the show, and I also wanted to make the point, you know, while I'm sitting there
	On hold before they came and screened my call and wouldn't let me on the air, I was thinking, hey, I'll point out that if we're all kooks, why did 99 plus percent of doctors and medical workers and police and firemen refuse a smallpox shot?
	Why did the government have to suspend the experimental anthrax shot they gave the troops, now admittedly killing a bunch of them and injuring many others?
	This is all confirmed stuff.
	We cannot just sit here and ignore it.
	And yes, if you don't give your kids inoculations, they could get something.
	They could get sick, especially if you've got them in these daycares, which is insane with all the big disease factory because all the kids are on antibiotics that only the superbacteria survive.
	It's like sick building syndrome or sick hospital syndrome.
	They always find the flesh-eating bacteria in the hospital.
	We're good to go.
	Remember two of the guys in the same unit got the flesh-eating bacteria?
	One died in the Marines.
	You always hear about that.
	Well, this stuff just breeds in daycares and hospitals.
	So, yeah, I mean, if you're going to have your kid in daycare, you're going to do that, had to do that.
	And the vaccines were safer, maybe, but not with the track record of who's running this.
	And so I wanted to say that.
	I wanted to warn the people, but no.
	So I wanted to find out if they were screening everybody.
	Because every caller, you know, they took like 15 calls.
	They let one person in who was against it, who sounded like an incoherent idiot.
	That's why they let him on.
	So I called, what, four people, and they all called, and none of them could get through or get on the air.
	The call screener would tell them no.
	So that's what even these local stations are doing.
	So here's what they were talking about on the station.
	Law lets kids forgo vaccines.
	Critics worry about health in schools.
	Others applaud choice.
	A new Texas law that will allow unvaccinated children to attend public schools and daycare centers if their parents philosophically object to state immunization requirements has alarmed pediatricians and public health experts.
	The new measure, which was tacked to a mammoth Health and Human Services reorganization bill...
	Well, that's been there forever.
	This is what's new in the law right here.
	The new policy signed into law by Governor Rick Perry also prohibits a health and human services agency from taking punitive action against parents for not immunizing their children.
	That's the new law.
	But of course, B-Lo, New World Order, Dallas Morning News doesn't tell you that.
	They bury it in the article.
	I'll get to some global news.
	There's a bunch of it.
	It's all really important.
	We've got Paul Joseph Watson, webmaster for presentplanet.com, and a great new author.
	One of the only people to read his new book because it's not published yet.
	He's joining us.
	You don't want to miss this interview.
	Just stay with us.
	We're on the march.
	The empire's on the run.
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	Earlier in the hour, I talked about how I was having this discussion during the break with two brothers that work at the network as we were trying to one-up each other on who had the most fireworks this Fourth of July, and Mark was informing me later that actually in Minnesota, you can't shoot off fireworks, so a lot of folks go over the border to Wisconsin.
	And, of course, being law-abiding, that's, of course, what they did.
	But he did point out that people just ignore it in wholesale mass in the state.
	And that happens in Austin.
	Inside Austin, you're not allowed to shoot fireworks off because, you know, they've got all their reasons for it.
	It could set a fire or whatever.
	But as long as you're not endangering somebody or it's rained, I don't see there being a problem with it.
	And I know this.
	I've been right out in my front yard shooting artillery shells off before.
	Ooh, I'm admitting it.
	Probably going to... on the radio.
	But I've had police drive by and wave at me.
	You know, it's just some laws people just ignore.
	It's like the government said that everybody had to take a shot, a smallpox shot.
	The police and military and doctors and others.
	Well, the only people they can make take the shot, the smallpox shot, is the military because they're a captive audience.
	But I don't think they should have to take it.
	And they just refused to take it, the police and firefighters and doctors, because they know how dangerous it was.
	The evidence showed it was more dangerous than what the feds had said.
	So, again, the New World Order can give its orders.
	The question is, are people going to follow those orders?
	Okay, let's go ahead and go to our guest, and then I'm going to get to, before this hour ends, Andy and Peter and Dan and many others that are patiently holding.
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	Now, Andy and, again, Peter and Dan and others that are holding, we're going to get to your calls.
	We don't screen your calls.
	We don't censor people like the neocons and the liberals.
	We tell the truth and can defend ourselves because we have the facts.
	Now, Paul Joseph Watson, I became aware of his work a couple years ago when he started PropagandaMatrix.com, and I don't work with a lot of people because...
	A lot of folks get off into conspiracy theories, things they can't prove.
	They're leftward leaning.
	They're rightward leaning.
	They're not constitutionalists.
	They don't have a grasp of history.
	They don't understand the manipulation and a full field view of the paradigm to see the lies, the different tricks they play in paradigm management, in psychological warfare.
	Paul Watson has a great grasp of this, and we think along very similar lines, which is a rarity, unfortunately.
	So I got Watson to start with our help, prisonplanet.com, and it has now gone, in just the last year, to being in the top 1% of patriot, conservative, constitutionalist websites.
	It is as big as Infowars.com was a year ago, only a year into its existence, and now Infowars.com has raced up the charts.
	Up there into the very highest percentile now with just a few dozen websites ahead of us that cover similar information with tens of millions of visitors per month to both the websites.
	And I'm not bragging.
	I'm giving you a status report out there on the front lines that our message is winning, that our war against the New World Order is very successful, and that you can become leaders in this fight as well.
	We're good to go.
	And just like Galileo was a kook for saying the world was round, just a decade later after his death, most people knew that it was round and you were a kook to say it was flat.
	So joining us is another radical, a man who believes the world is round and believes the sun comes up in the morning and believes government is corrupt and needs to be watched and contained, Paul Joseph Watson.
	Paul, thanks for joining us from the United Kingdom.
	Hello, Alex.
	Great to be on the air today.
	You like that introduction?
	You bet.
	Yeah, very good.
	It's an accurate introduction, my friend.
	So you better watch what I say.
	No, you're doing a great job.
	Paul, tell us about, briefly, how you woke up with the New World Order, why you started your website, what we do at Prison Planet.
	Then let's talk about the news coming out in England of the death camps, the national ID cards, the gun confiscation, and...
	Well, this ties into something you were discussing just a few minutes ago, actually.
	The idea of paradigm management or paradigm control.
	Basically, I woke up to the New World Order by realising that both left and right were controlled because originally I got into politics in the first place through the liberal channel, basically.
	Then I started to read some books which proved that both the left and the right were controlled, especially in relation to the biggest example that we can provide, which is the Cold War.
	And obviously we know the work of Anthony Sutton, who's done a great job
	Now deceased, sadly, but he did a great job in exposing the fact that the communists were actually funded from New York by the capitalists.
	And I've just recently found an article, which hasn't been online or anywhere that I've seen, and it's way back in 1959, and it's from the Wisconsin Daily Journal.
	And the title of the article is Kozlov Leaving California for Chile, Detroit.
	And it's an Associated Press article and it goes on to explain how Kozlov, Romanovich Kozlov, who was Khrushchev's right-hand man, was invited in 1959 to Bohemian Grove.
	Obviously your listeners are well aware of Bohemian Grove.
	And the quote in this Associated Press article is that he was wined and dined by the capitalist.
	And Kozlov actually stated that
	Now, Paul, you told me about that about two weeks ago.
	Have we posted that yet on Prison Planet?
	Not yet, no, but in a few days or a week maximum, I will have a full article on that with a link to the original newspaper article.
	Well, that's fantastic.
	Now, continuing this line of discussion, and we're going to go to some calls and back in the news, it's admitted that the Red Cross was used to bring $25 million in gold bullion, the equivalent of a billion at the time, when Lennon was about to fail in 1917.
	We know that I was watching in the History Channel a couple of years ago and almost fell out of my chair.
	They have the old CIA section chief who was like 85 at the time now.
	We're good to go.
	And that's when they all turned against McCarthy, and now the KGB files, the East German Stasi files have come out.
	Turns out it was, in fact, the Wall Street Journal reported, quote, McCarthy was right.
	The LA Times wrote an article a few months ago, McCarthy was right.
	It turns out it was worse than what McCarthy thought.
	They were using him to help set up a police state, going at people that really weren't communists, it's just leftists.
	We're good to go.
	The National Post of Canada three weeks ago, the headline, The Ghost of Trotsky Walks the Halls of the White House, and it mentioned that all the neocon leaders, their fathers were all top Trotskyites.
	William Crystal's father was the head of the Communist Fourth International in this country.
	I mean, Paul, you can't make stuff up.
	It's so bizarre.
	Any comments to that?
	Well, I have...
	That's the main thrust of what we try to expose, the fact that both left and right are controlled.
	And in the news, it's not just a liberal bias, it's either a liberal bias or a neocon bias.
	The bottom line is that it's a bias.
	And actually I read today some excerpts from one of Anthony Sussman's books, who was the main exposer of this false paradigm.
	He was talking about the Hegelian dialectic and how left was played against right, not just during the Cold War but afterwards to ensue that this would happen.
	I mean, what it boils down to today is that you can be against illegal immigration but then you have to be pro-war or you can be
	We're good to go.
	I think?
	Well, that's the point.
	And the fact is that before the war actually started, all the left-wing so-called alternative media websites were calling for anti-war protesters to wave the UN flag as they marched.
	And the UN and the Germans and the French, their solution to avoiding the war was full-scale UN occupation anyway.
	So the end result was basically the same system.
	Exactly.
	It's what brigade of Caesar's troops will be there.
	And then now America and England play the part as the bad cops.
	We've always been the good guys before.
	In world opinion, making Russia, China, and the EU look like the good guys, empowering them, everybody dumps a dollar in the pound and goes to the euro.
	Well, yeah, and basically they used liberal organizations like the U.N.,
	They use them as sort of batteries.
	I mean, the call now is to replace the UN in left-wing circles because it was ineffective in preventing the war.
	And so left-wingers are calling for the UN to be replaced by a de facto world government.
	So we see the overarching structure is...
	The UN was always meant to be folded into NATO, IMF, World Bank, OECD, World Trade Organization, World Health Organization.
	Those bodies have already been set up.
	And the CFR, five years ago, was calling for, quote, getting rid of the UN and restructuring it.
	And then conservatives see liberals against a war.
	They know the liberals are bad, so they think, oh, the war must be good.
	Again, that's how paradigm management works.
	When actually, Bill Clinton wanted to go into Iraq.
	Bill Clinton went into Serbia.
	Bill Clinton went into all these countries, too, but they were for it then, weren't they?
	Yeah, that's the point.
	And I've seen articles from people that were putting out good information.
	I mean, I won't name any names, but now those same people are writing voluminous articles praising the virtues of John Kerry and how the Democrats will save us.
	And John Kerry, like George Bush, is a member of Gull and Bones.
	So they don't...
	People who come out anti-war don't see the full perspective, and in the end their information becomes disinformation.
	Well, it's totally staged at the federal level, and we know that.
	Now, Paul, day one we've known that we've been being lied to.
	We know that the trucks were sold by the British, the so-called mobile bioweapons trucks were sold by the British.
	They had the purchase order.
	The Iraqis said it day one.
	The U.N.
	had already been there and seen those trucks.
	Well, tying into that, we've got the story today out of the Washington Post.
	White House backs off claim on Iraqi buy.
	And...
	Basically, I mean, people have obviously heard of this before, but it's called externalization of the hierarchy.
	And this is what we see developing.
	The lies come out, but then they're just whitewashed and people don't take any action of them.
	And that conditions you to accept more of a kind of a revelation of the method, and that makes people think we've still got a free press, but you notice this all comes out after the war, then there'll be a new war, and then it'll come out after the war.
	Further degrading the government and how the people see America when America's just a glove over the New World Order's hand.
	Do you agree?
	It's the same process over and over again, which is why exposing it is very simple as long as we get the key information out.
	Yeah, that's the point.
	It's like the feds train the cops how to be thugs when they do thuggish things.
	The feds come in and federalize the police department.
	Another subdirectory of problem-reaction solution.
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	Paul does a once-a-week radio show, and I think he's probably been so busy he hasn't had a chance to do it lately.
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	But it may be back in the future.
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	Yeah, hi, Alex.
	Thank you.
	In line with what we're talking about right now, I found something on the Hegelian dialectic.
	It's interesting.
	It says, at about the same time that Hegel was passing from the scene, Karl Marx caught the revolutionary fever.
	He drew heavily from Hegel, the dialectic, and pure materialism.
	He picked up where the other philosophers left the discussion, but with a twist.
	He scornfully stated that philosophers have only interpreted the world in different ways.
	The point, however, is to change the world was to become the warp and wolf of Marxism.
	In the Marxist interpretation of reality, God had to be abandoned.
	Alone in the universe, man was to fill the vacuum left by religion and materialism.
	Yeah, the communists basically were just the front for the bankers to con the people back into feudalism and serfdom.
	They hung a label of liberation on it and then funded it and then conned the masses back into it.
	So Marx and Lenin and all these guys were nothing but plagiarists.
	Paul, any comments?
	Well, yeah, speaking about Marx, that again ties into how I woke up to the whole system, because when I went to university about two years ago, Marxist ideology was pushed as the accepted version of history.
	It was sort of a revisionist history, but with a communist bias.
	And then they tell you communism's dead as the system of big government spreads worldwide.
	It's just the control of the communist system is by private banks.
	Yeah, and I mean, you were talking about the firework ban earlier, which is, again, sort of a communist sort of law, you know, big government.
	Because it might hurt somebody, we gotta ban it.
	Oh, we gotta have a satellite tracker box in your car if it saves one child.
	Yeah, and I mean, I was watching the news just before I came on today, and it showed a policeman with a hidden camera
	And it showed a man smoking a cigarette and dropping the stub on the side of the street, and the policeman went up to him and said, that'll be a 50-pound fine, sir.
	So, again, these tiny laws that come in, again, condition us to accept the bigger laws that ban things like firearms.
	Exactly, and now in New York they've been ordered to arrest people for any petty reason.
	It's about squeezing and getting us all into the system.
	Anything else, Peter?
	Just out of Webster's dictionary under dialectic materialism, a philosophy founded by Karl Marx which forms the difference of communist doctrine.
	It combines the materialistic idea of matter over mind with the Hegelian dialectic in which opposing forces are constantly being reunited at a higher level.
	I tell you what, stay there, Peter.
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	Peter in Florida was bringing up the dialectic and dialectic materialism and how Karl Marx talked about taking so-called opposing forces and merging them over and over again, a system of psychological warfare.
	Go ahead and reread that Webster's Dictionary definition, Peter.
	A philosophy founded by Karl Marx which forms the basis of communist doctrines
	It combines the materialistic idea of matter over mind with the Hegelian dialect in which opposing forces are constantly being reunited at a higher level.
	That's dialectic materialism.
	Webster's Dictionary.
	And what does that mean to you, or put it in a nutshell for somebody that's confused?
	You can't believe anything you hear.
	You've just got to know the difference between despotism and freedom.
	That's it.
	They confuse it between left and right, communism and capitalism, when really it's the same force of centralization.
	Paul Watson comments.
	Well, actually I was reading about this sort of topic earlier today.
	And Anthony does an excerpt from his Gull and Bones book, which I'll be posting on prisonplanet.com tomorrow.
	He talks about Marxism and Hegelianism.
	And he states that the answer to this seeming political puzzle lies in the Hegelian logic.
	Remember that both Marx and Hitler, the extremes of left and right presented as textbook enemies, evolved out of the same philosophical system, Hegelianism.
	That brings screams of intellectual anguish from Marxists and Nazis, but is well known to any student of political systems.
	Well, Hitler socialized things, a big welfare system.
	He called himself a national socialist, but they call it fascism when Hitler and Stalin were buddies.
	Again, the globalists try to give you two false choices, a left-wing U.N., a right-wing U.N., what type of world government, bypassing any discussion of, hey, we don't want a world government.
	Do you agree with that, Peter?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, if we don't telegraph that bedrock message of real paradigm to people, it's over.
	If we can't get that across, people will continue to be confused by the false paradigm.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, you can find more about this on newswithviews.com.
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	And Bush said that he was a communitarian.
	The dictionary, until about 20 years ago, said a communitarian is one who promotes communist systems.
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	To boil this down simply and succinctly, we talk about how the rhetoric of the Republicans and the Democrats is different, but the actions are carbon copies.
	How are you doing, Alex?
	I also think that the way this is done, in fact, is the constant redefinition of meanings.
	It gives an example, in other words, good people do evil things, and evil people do good things.
	In other words, that premise... And now the good guys on all the sitcoms and dramas, they have to torture, but torture is now a good thing, and... Exactly.
	Right, the constant redefining of... And I'm just giving examples because it's more subtle than that.
	That's what Orwell talked about in the 11th edition of Ingsoc, where they're getting rid of whole words or where you can't use words.
	That's everything that's happening today.
	People think, oh, Orwell, this guy was a psychic.
	No, he worked for the Imperial Police, secret police in India.
	He worked for the communist leader and found out both sides were controlled.
	Let's get a comment from Watson about Mr. Blair, a pen name George Orwell.
	Go ahead, Paul.
	Well, obviously you mentioned Ingsoc.
	Something related to that came out just yesterday with the British ID card that's being introduced by stealth, even though 80% or more of the British people oppose it.
	And this idea of gaining liberty...
	Meanwhile, losing liberty... Now, you posted that on Prison Planet.
	He actually, Blair actually said, and his minister said, oh, you gain liberty, freedom plus.
	Yeah, and the exact quote was, we are strengthened in our liberty if our identity is protected from theft.
	When their system of identification number has caused identity theft and they admit it.
	Create the crisis, offer the solution, get you deeper into the pit.
	Dan?
	Well, yeah, exactly.
	And what I was going to say, you were talking about Unitarian before.
	The Unitarian is the most, it's not Muslim that's dangerous.
	The Unitarian is the most dangerous force out there.
	Well, Communitarian, and then they have their churches in our communities that are the Communitarian or Unitarian.
	And I've been to Unitarian churches before to see what they're doing.
	I mean, it's openly a communist meeting.
	Well, it's scrambled eggs.
	Each person has the truth within himself.
	So that means each person can make his own definition, and it's okay.
	That's the most dangerous thing out there.
	But it's like a big change agent, though, because they all get led in a certain direction.
	Because it's like not standing on the ground.
	Once you're up in the air, you can get blown around with anything.
	Well, that's what O'Brien says to Winston in the Ministry of Love when they're torturing him.
	He says, you know, Winston says, well, you're not really holding up three fingers, but you say you want four or two or one.
	He goes, hey...
	We want you to where you see all fingers at all times and have no real thoughts, or I could be a soap bubble floating up off the ground.
	Scramble eggs.
	I hope we're not getting too esoteric here, getting off into too much psychology.
	But the other thing I wanted to mention was that under the disguise, we're very aware that their rights are being given up, but the communist influence of what's really going on is the responsibility is being handed over.
	That's communism, is you give all your responsibilities to the state.
	And then no one points out that we have a war on terror.
	The terror attacks get bigger.
	We have a war on drugs.
	There's triple the heroin, double the cocaine.
	And more people in prison.
	We have a war on illiteracy.
	There's more illiteracy.
	A war on crime.
	Paul, comments to this?
	There's more crime.
	Well, yeah, we talked about communism and rights being given up.
	Obviously, we know that communism was controlled anyway, but the fact is they are following the...
	So-called cream of communist and Nazi ideals merged together because left and right are the same system at the top.
	And one of the major planks of this is the moral decline of society.
	You can go to the 45 goals of communism and find, and this was entered into the congressional record,
	And number 25 actually states that present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as normal, natural, and healthy.
	Well, that goes back to UNESCO saying the family's a disease, terminated, but it's okay to say heterosexuals are a disease and should be terminated and call us breeders, but then it's okay for this group.
	See how also in their whole hate crimes lexicon, they get to be hateful, but we can't counter that.
	That's all the redefinitions.
	There's all your redefinitions right there.
	Up is down, down is up, black is white, white is black.
	The family is the disease rather than the family is the heart of any situation.
	Well, the historical and basic common sense facts show that you're four to five times more likely in a single-parent home to end up on drugs or in crime.
	But they don't care.
	They do everything they can to break up the family and then have programs to, quote, strengthen it that actually destroy it more.
	Absolutely.
	And they know if you're degenerate or you're on drugs, you're doing whatever, you're not going to care about your neighbor or corrupt government.
	Thanks for the call.
	And that plays into the materialism.
	You know, in the socialist system, materialism becomes more and more important.
	Not that material stuff is bad, but that when it's your God, and that comes first, past your family, and when you're so materialistic, you'll sell out Jesus Christ himself for 20 pieces of silver.
	That's materialism when you become Judas Iscariot.
	That's quite... Talking about degeneracy, I mean, the whole emphasis in the culture and on MTV is that they...
	Put out that it's cool to be part of some kind of fad, whether that be fashion, music, whatever, and that masquerades itself as culture and free expression and freedom itself, when in actual fact it divides the population into different slave camps.
	I mean, we saw the analogy in the Pinocchio movie where some of them got deckered and ended up getting shipped off to slave camps.
	So it's important to rediscover what's really important morally to tackle the New World Order because that is a major attack on the degeneracy of culture and society.
	It's deliberate.
	Well, I've used that example many times.
	They get the kids, they get them to engage in behaving as thugs.
	The establishment takes them out to this wonderland, gets them to party and steal and do all this, and then that transforms them into beasts, mindless beasts that are then slaves of the system.
	And then you look into who's pushing all this, who was the financial backer behind feminism, and the same names crop up again and again.
	Well, Gloria Steinem, in one of her own books, admits that this magazine was funded by the Central Intelligence Agency, and she was an active officer.
	This is mainstream, folks.
	In one of her own books, she admits it.
	Central Intelligence Agency officer.
	And that's the main point to emphasize, that the New World Order itself is not only a political movement, it's a cultural movement.
	And at the lower levels, it's a societal brainwashing method.
	Well, yeah, I mean, if a woman wants to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist, I'm sure she can do a great job as good or better than a man.
	The point is...
	We're good to go.
	I think?
	And it came out that the whole 60s movement was part of that same agenda with the LSD.
	Yeah, the CIA released the patent on it.
	Leary was their agent the entire time.
	Uh...
	Again, conservatives would have been against the Vietnam War, but they would hire beatniks, and many of them known government agents.
	This is now public, folks.
	They would come into a town, spit on people, break windows, act like horrible beasts, and then the conservatives would go, well, this war must be good if these guys are out here doing this.
	And those beatniks later became conservative talk show hosts like Michael Savage.
	Who says that anyone that... Yeah, and you notice then in the redefinition, he gets fired off MSNBC for saying something about a group and engaging in the First Amendment.
	But it's bad to talk about the homosexuals, but not bad to say put anyone in a forced labor camp that disagrees with the government.
	That's okay.
	Put people in concentration camps.
	He said that.
	That's okay on MSNBC, but don't say anything about this protected group.
	See the new values?
	Manny engaged in inciting violence by saying attack peace protesters.
	Now, it doesn't matter if these protesters are left-wing.
	I mean, advocating and attacking them is
	Not really acceptable.
	I mean, the comment that he made that he got sacked for is a complete distraction from what he said before, which has now been pushed under the rug.
	Yeah, it's saying put everybody in a camp, or a slavery camp, take their assets, if they disagree with the government, and then now we see the Deputy Attorney General of California, Mike Van Winkle, agreeing, he's a liberal, saying protests may not be allowed because protesting a war aids the terrorist.
	Now the Republicans are with Gray Davis.
	Take the recall campaign.
	Let's say Arnold Schwarzenegger runs and wins.
	He's for gun control.
	He's for abortion.
	His father was a top Gestapo captain who arrested people.
	Later became the police chief of a major city.
	And by the way, Schwarzenegger in a Rolling Stone interview about eight years ago said he'd like to be the head of a federal police force.
	Doesn't that sound nice?
	Yeah, and then you get... I mean, obviously Schwarzenegger's been in these films like The Running Man where he was a so-called freedom fighter.
	So brainwashed conservatives think that he's actually standing up for freedom and morality when he's the archetypal neocon, pro-abortion, pro-police state.
	And then it doesn't matter if you've got Davis or him, same deal.
	We'll come back and take some calls for the folks holding in Texas and other states.
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	Meg in Texas.
	Meg, you're on the air.
	Welcome.
	Yeah, hi, Alex and Paul.
	Kudos to both you guys.
	I really appreciate your work and how well cited and documented it is.
	On your latest film, which is real good by the way, one of the most poignant parts of it was on Sixth Street being a Texas girl.
	It looked familiar.
	The uniformed police officers.
	Yeah, the guys in the ski masks refusing, covering their badges up with tape.
	Yeah, Paul, you would have appreciated it.
	They could have been in front of Buckingham Palace.
	Yeah, they wouldn't say anything back.
	Yeah, what can we do as citizens as a cause to stop that kind of action and cause them to wear identification?
	Well, we went to the city council and pointed out, Mike Hanson dug out the actual law, that if they're not at undercover work, they were violating state law.
	And if they do it willingly... That's a pretty public place there on 6th Street.
	If they do it multiple times willingly, it becomes a felony.
	It's a misdemeanor if they do it unwittingly.
	Or without malice of forethought.
	Really?
	So we pointed that out.
	They claim they're going to stop it.
	And the last time they were out, badges were visible, no black ski masks.
	They were wearing the federally issued Darth Vader outfits.
	Paul, any comments?
	Well, I remember having two pictures on my website, and this was about two years ago now.
	Yeah, well, you're used to that over there somewhat with the monarch.
	I don't guess it's quite as innocuous as all that now there.
	Well...
	Yeah, we have the same police state system, but we don't have them dressed up in riot gear and black ski masks yet anyway.
	But two years ago, I posted on my website two different pictures.
	One was the Waffen-SS Nazi Brigade, and one was L.A.
	cops pictured in 2001 with all the riot gear on.
	And the two pictures were exactly the same.
	Oh, my goodness.
	It's pretty scary.
	Yeah, they're just starting to look alike all over.
	But it's all theories.
	It's all, you know, perception.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Alex, a friend of yours and I were talking about owls the other day, and, you know, the bohemian grove thing with the owl statue and all that, and I had never heard the term molek.
	So I happen to have a metaphysical Bible dictionary from the Unity Church, and it's kind of interesting.
	Molek is Hebrew for king, ruler, counselor, judge.
	But the metaphysical description of it is the ruling of public opinion and of the mind of the flesh in one's consciousness.
	Children being sacrificed in the fire to this God signifies one's mentally burning and destroying of new ideas by letting fear or deep regard for
	What other persons may think, i.e., public opinion.
	And that's what they did in the ceremony cremation of care.
	They bring the bound effigy of a child.
	They tell you it's an effigy.
	They bring it up there.
	It screams.
	They burn it before moment.
	It begs.
	Oh, it sounded real, too.
	I watched that Bohemian Grove film.
	Well, thank you.
	Who was signified.
	Right, I believe it, Leviticus.
	Right.
	18, 21, 20, 25... Well, Alex, I've just... And anyone can do this if they're on the Internet right now.
	I've just typed in Molek to dictionary.com and the very first definition is, quote, in the Bible, the God of the Canaanites and Phoenicians to whom children were sacrificed.
	And that's dictionary.com, the biggest referral site on the Internet.
	So anyone can see that right now.
	Right, and I'll save it on... All right.
	I had it marked that the Ammonites have faulty thinking was one of the main things I remember in that definition.
	But moreover, it goes on... They conduct a ritual to mesmerize us and enslave us and to have no conscience while they're doing it.
	They say this.
	This is what George Bush attends.
	Along with public opinion or swaying public opinion with the prejudices, customs, and desires...
	Thank you very much.
	Wow.
	And that's from where?
	This is from the Metaphysical Bible Dictionary put out by the Unity Church.
	I'm not sure about the date of publication.
	That's bizarre, but that is accurate to what I saw at Bohemian Grove.
	Thank you for the call, Meg.
	Paul Watson, stay there.
	We'll come back and talk to Mike, Randy, Wyatt, Alan, and others.
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	It's Tuesday, the 8th of July, 2003.
	We're about to go to your calls and into more of this news.
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	The anniversary of that's coming up, what, next Thursday or Friday?
	They're going to have their 129th ritual.
	And Helmut Schmidt, we have his own publication, his own book, Men and Powers, close-up of the cover, close-ups of the page numbers and subsections.
	He was German Chancellor.
	He admits they have other Bohemian Groves in Europe.
	Oh, they go way back.
	That's where Skull and Bones goes back to, the Druids.
	And he says, but he loves the Bohemian Grove in California.
	He loves the CFR and Trilateral Commission, how they all meet there, how the Bilderberg Group members meet at the Bohemian Grove to, quote, have their Druid rituals.
	So that's about 45 seconds of the two-hour film to give you an idea of what's in it.
	Just all documented.
	Then we have video of the ritual itself.
	Paul, you want to comment on Skull and Bones and the occult?
	Being behind this, whether people want to admit it or not, then we'll take some calls.
	Well, yeah, just a side note, the popularity of your videos, which you were just mentioning, are proven by the fact that the bandwidth for PrisonPlanet.com is something ridiculous like 129%, simply because most of your videos are actually posted online in the video section, which again is another, you know... Describe how many gigs the Prison Planet's using.
	Well, obviously, Dwayne Coots has got some systems that can handle massive surges of bandwidth, but, I mean, Infowars.com, now it probably gets double the amount of hits that PrisonPlanet.com gets, obviously, because it's been around longer.
	But Infowars.com is on about 11% of the maximum, because they've got these massive systems that can handle it.
	But PrisonPlanet.com,
	From the last estimate that I got, it's actually on 129% of its maximum.
	And that's because we've got a lot of videos and obviously audio of the interviews that you do.
	And I'm having to pay for that.
	That's why I wish people would support us.
	Yeah, it's another reason to do that.
	Well, and other folks have posted my videos, and I link to them when they do it if they want to handle it, but they always take them down after a while when a million people come through.
	Literally, we put up a clip of payoffs at the Texas Capitol a couple years ago that I caught on tape, and it got linked on the NRA's website, and gun owners, and eating bear arms, and like a million people watched it, a million hits of it, and it was like $1,000 a day or something.
	I had to take it down, folks, but I mean...
	It's just we do all, you know, we could have our own TV networks and we have the bandwidth.
	That's the problem with Internet taxation.
	That's why they want to begin the taxation.
	That'll break the back of everybody.
	You won't even be able to hear audio streams anymore, which, of course, we don't pay for.
	That's the affiliate that does that.
	That's just amazing.
	Absolutely amazing.
	In your research of Bohemian Grove or Skull and Bones, you just mentioned the AP article from the 50s you found that you'll be posting tomorrow, Associated Press, where you have the communist leaders going to the Grove in the 50s.
	Yeah, that's correct.
	I mean, anyone can see this.
	Obviously you have to pay for the access to dig back in the archives 50 years.
	But it's associated to a press article out of the Wisconsin Daily Journal, July 6, 59, so obviously it's around this time period, back when Bohemian Grove were actually meeting in 59.
	And it says, quote, the Soviet Union's first deputy premier today winds up a stay in California during which he was wined and dined by capitalists.
	And it goes on to describe how the rest of the political spectrum were very opposed to his
	Just his visit, and this was covered in all the newspapers.
	But who was one of the top folks at the Grove in 59 but Prescott Bush, grandfather of the Fool Society president we have now?
	What do you think about that Brotherhood group that just came out with Ashcroft and others and congressmen living in buildings together and saying Hitler was good?
	Did you see all that came out in the Harpers?
	Yeah, and these are the sort of groups that are even above groups like Skull and Bones.
	The ones that, you know, haven't come out in published newspapers.
	You know, it's funny.
	That just came out about the Brotherhood, and when I was having to make arguments with, you know, just about their power, we already knew about them a few months ago in Kansas City with the guy that wrote The Unseen Hand.
	Ralph Epperson was saying, no, the top group's the Brotherhood.
	They've got all these interlocking groups, as Tex Mars has documented.
	They're all members of the same groups.
	And people sometimes don't believe the sort of rituals and practices that go on at places like Bohemian Grove.
	But I've got a Washington Post article here from June 1997, and it talks about how then Secretary of State George Shultz actually proposed to his wife at Bohemian Grove.
	And it goes on to casually mention that, quote,
	Last month, Schultz gave her a ruby, diamond and sapphire engagement ring that would be red, white and blue and popped the question at San Francisco's Bohemian Club in July.
	He'll repair to the club's rustic camp at the Bohemian Grove where men often romp naked.
	And that's an exact quote out of the Washington Post six years ago.
	Well, also, that would mean meeting at the clubhouse in downtown San Francisco and ornately building with gargoyles on it.
	That's where the women are allowed.
	They're not allowed at the camp itself, founded in 1873, but has had presidents going to it since 1900.
	So this is the type of stuff they're doing there.
	And it is... I mean, I've got a Washington Times article in the film about how they bust in the male prostitutes.
	And then I get an email, how dare you bash the gays?
	Well, wait a minute.
	These are the Christian conservatives busting in their $2,000 an hour male whores, and the liberals are defending them.
	Isn't that nice?
	Exactly.
	I mean, with that, obviously we're talking about people labeling as conspiracy theories.
	We're talking about
	Well, a month ago Rumsfeld accepted the Doolittle Award...
	You know, after the famous guy who flew the B-23s or 4s off the front aircraft carriers to bomb Tokyo.
	And he said, oh, I got a chance to meet Dude Little at the Bohemian Grove.
	Yeah, I mean, you go to the newspaper archive website and just type in Bohemian Grove and you get like 300 articles spanning...
	Right back to, I mean, if you type in Illuminati, you can get London Times articles from 1898 talking about German Illuminati and how it infiltrated the Christian church in the pre-lake.
	John Quincy Adams had them banned, said that a secret German society was taking over.
	The founding fathers that were Masons all quit.
	They almost took over.
	I mean, this is all admitted.
	The president wrote books and letters about it.
	It's not like it's a... Well, it's... Look, I get attacked by talk shows all the time.
	Alex Jones believes there's a new world order.
	We got all these presidents saying it on tape, Paul.
	Well, anyone...
	I mean, people ask me how I get the news articles for the website.
	They don't go to just other alternative media websites.
	They go directly to the source.
	Anyone can go to Google and type in New World Order and check that every day, and articles every single day pop up where people are talking about a New World Order.
	Sydney Morning Herald, Moscow Times, Associated Press, MSNBC.
	Yeah, whether that be in Russia, China, France, or in America.
	I mean, you get stories like conservative push for a new world order, neoconservative.
	And those sort of articles are on there every day, and yet we're still conspiracies here, is to say that new world order exists.
	It's amazing.
	Talk about doublethink, that's 1984, where they say one day you're at war with East Asia, and then the same newscast say we've never been at war with them, and then say we have been at war with them, and then if you say, hey, that's saying different things, you're crazy, they come arrest you.
	Yeah, and we get that sort of thing with the so-called nations that the neocons are planning to invade.
	One week they're our allies, and the next week they're our enemies.
	And Libya in particular...
	Well, they're giving North Korea nuclear reactors and weapons parts while saying they're going to nuke us.
	It's just crazy.
	Let's take calls.
	Real quick, folks.
	Mike in Nevada, you're on the air.
	Thanks for holding.
	Go ahead, Mike.
	You're on the air worldwide, sir.
	Yes, go ahead.
	Okay, well, go ahead.
	Yes, I want to ask something of Paul about his website.
	I don't know.
	I'm not really familiar with you.
	This is the first time I've heard of you.
	Well, President Plant, it's my website.
	He's the director of it and the webmaster.
	And so is InfoWars.com and InfoWars.net.
	Paul has PropagandaMatrix.com.
	Okay, now I know who you are.
	Yeah, I have a question.
	Actually, that question was more or less like a statement about
	You know, the form of governments and everything.
	The political spectrum, as we've been believed and learned, is that we stay at the middle of the road, and democracy's in the middle, and everything's on the left and the right.
	And really, it's all the same system.
	It's an illusion.
	There's no choice.
	Because really, where would you put a constitutional republic and an anarchist on that political spectrum?
	It's more like a... Is that for Paul or for myself?
	That's for Paul.
	Go ahead, Paul.
	Both of you.
	Both of you.
	Well, the anarchist system is basically at one extreme end of the political spectrum.
	Republicanism is quite a way before that, but obviously before democracy.
	But again, this whole paradigm is staged.
	It's about freedom or command and control.
	And you get these anarchists that call for revolution.
	It's about collectivism versus individualism.
	It's a Fabian society, basically, what we have.
	It's a Fabian socialism that's being moved towards the left-wing.
	Yeah, the whole political spectrum of the world has been moving left for several decades.
	And the right acts like the money is against socialism, when in truth they finance it because they need a large government that they control the levers of to control the population and confiscate wealth and control society and set the parameters.
	But the real political spectrum...
	You can put either point on the left or right, okay, or it can be a circle.
	But on one end, you've got total command and control, a boot stomping on the human face forever.
	On the other end, you have hunter-gatherers in loose-knit societies as close to anarchy as you're going to get, and it's impossible in groups of bigger than two to three people.
	You don't want anarchy.
	We're too complex a society.
	Very close to anarchy, about 90% towards it in the spectrum, is the constitutional republic, the rule of law.
	Then in the middle of that spectrum, you have your democracy.
	But once you hit the middle with the democracy, you're already in the gravitational pull of the tyranny, and you accelerate at light speed towards the heavenly body of tyranny that has a political gravitational vortex or black hole function sucking you towards it.
	So you've got to always try to escape from the command and control like you're a spaceship.
	I'll give you an analogy.
	At full thrust...
	Racing towards anarchy, trying to reach the republic, and then maintain the republic, always being pulled back towards despotism, as our founding father said.
	But then you've got all the anarchist useful idiots that are in fact propping up the agenda of the globalists.
	I mean, I even read an article the other day where the top, the main traffic, you know, anarchist websites, the biggest ones on the internet, will refuse any articles on Bilderberg because they see it as an anti-Semitic right-wing conspiracy theory when we had the BBC reporting just four days ago on it.
	Yeah, see, they put that label...
	You know, we criticize Russia, China, New York, whoever, and then you say Israel's doing something corrupt.
	Oh, anti-Semitic!
	And so the anarchists are all wearing red stars.
	They're really communist.
	And then when you really got, you know, the founder of Bilderberg was an admitted top Nazi, Prince Bernhard, and then, oh, you talk bad about him, you're anti-Semitic.
	See how that's just a label?
	Yeah, and I mean, BBC did a report on Bilderberg just four days ago, and BBC had...
	You know, mainly center-left, as you would call it, on the controlled paradigm.
	Yeah, but the anarchists, I mean, look, most of the anarchists are federal officers.
	I've had them tell me they are.
	I've had them threaten to kill me.
	They work for the feds.
	Thanks for the call.
	That's why you see anarchist gear in all the malls now.
	They're pushing it.
	It's communist.
	Okay, let's go ahead, because again, there's no difference.
	Let's go ahead and, you know, we were just talking about anarchy, you know, is what we're, you know, is on the other end of the political spectrum.
	This isn't real anarchy they're talking about.
	Again, it's about mislabeling.
	Randy in North Carolina.
	Randy, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Sir, to all of our friends in Rhodesia, Australia, and you know all the rest of the country, sir.
	Um...
	All I can say is you people are trying to tell people who don't know what is going on, what is going on.
	I'm totally and completely behind you there.
	Sweden, Norway, Finland, are they really in the know?
	Denmark, Germany, Ireland, England, Wales, Scotland.
	Do they know what's going on?
	Hey, I'm going to have to find out where you're going with this.
	Then we've got Wyatt, Nowlin, and Paul Watson, final segment.
	Stay there, Randy.
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	Randy in North Carolina, make your point real quick, and I'm going to go to Wyatt, Alan, Joan, and others.
	Go ahead, Randy.
	Hello, Wyatt.
	Sir Paul, are you familiar with Alan Watt?
	No.
	You're not?
	But you're the same person insofar as it goes.
	Okay.
	Take my word for it, sir.
	We're all the same.
	We have to face the enemy, and we have to defeat the enemy,
	And the next time these people over here in Europe and the rest of the world are freed, they will not be freed by United States military as it is right now, sir.
	They'll be freed by people like you and me and the gentleman that owns the airtime right now.
	All right.
	Thanks for the call.
	I appreciate it.
	They are going to be freed by free human beings that want to stand up against the New World Order.
	But talking about the power of the people,
	Tens of millions of individual folks visit InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com every month.
	That's not an exaggeration.
	Tens of millions...
	Millions of different people coming back every week, turning to tens of millions, and spreading the word.
	Dick Gephardt.
	Online supporters of Democratic presidential hopeful Dick Gephardt appear to have trouble organizing.
	Recent email exchanges reveal his official campaign tried to have a grassroots meeting, several of them online, when less than five people showed up, they canceled it.
	They can't even get five of their dumb minions, and Bush has trouble too, to meet up on some online chat
	That shows their grassroots support, whereas we can't grow anymore because we're getting too many people visiting us.
	Paul, that shows that we've got the grassroots.
	They've got the illusion.
	You know, I talk to big newspaper writers.
	They get one or two emails a day.
	I get thousands a day.
	We've got the people.
	They just haven't figured out their leaders yet, Paul.
	That's the point, and all the big mainstream news websites are now going to subscription, and it's not working out for them because their hits are dwindling week by week, and the hits of the alternative websites are going up in droves.
	And a new Gallup poll shows that only 32% of the American people trust the mainstream media, 80-plus percent trust the alternative media.
	Yeah, and we've also got a poll out of the London Times today which fits into the same context.
	There's voters losing faith in Blair over Iraq war.
	And 80-plus percent are against the national ID card and the euro, but he doesn't care.
	Well, yeah, and the government tried to suppress the votes against the national ID card because they had a big online poll, and it was 89% against or even more.
	Then they tried to climb.
	They lost it, but it turned out they hadn't.
	Let's talk to Wyatt in Maryland.
	Wyatt, go ahead.
	How you doing, guys?
	Good afternoon.
	Pretty good.
	Listen, the Independence Day that came on the movie with Will Smith, it's a complete Illuminati New World Order movie.
	You have a common threat,
	That global destruction by an outside enemy and then the entire world unites to defeat it.
	Also, the movie is entirely filled in all of the special effects, if you still frame it, frame by frame, with Illuminati symbolism, pyramids that are all through the movie.
	Well, I agree.
	Stay there, Wyatt.
	We'll let you finish up on the third hour.
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	Big Brother.
	Mainstream media.
	Government cover-ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	As we ended the last segment in the second hour...
	Wyatt Maryland, who joins us, and my webmaster from PrisonPlanet.com, Paul Joseph Watson joins us, who are talking about Illuminati symbolism and conditioning.
	They admit that one of the former sub-directors of the CIA wrote the movie The Exorcist and put hidden images in the film, subliminals.
	That's admitted.
	The Toyota got caught in Europe having a satanic commercial with images about sacrificing children three years ago.
	A British firm produced the ads.
	That was in the Times of London and everywhere.
	We ought to find that again, watch it, and post it.
	But this new Matrix movie is full of subliminals.
	I was catching them just watching the film.
	Got nauseated watching it.
	And total New World Order in your face, revelation of the method.
	The grand architect is the head of it, you know, the Masonic Lucifer paradigm.
	And then now these kids, just like Harrison Kleibel, wanted to go on a giant killing spree and were obsessed with the movie Matrix.
	And Wyatt, you were talking about Independence Day.
	I've got Reagan on video.
	He did say an outside threat from another planet attacking us would unify us.
	The Bilderberg Group has talked about this.
	I don't get into flying saucers and aliens, but the Kansas City Star and before that, Wired Magazine reported that this Rothschild consultant, the former chief of staff for Clinton, are behind this, quote, disclosure project to tell us that the UFOs are real.
	That's Project Iron Mountain to, quote, have this outside threat to get us unified.
	So that is something that's in there.
	In their tool bag, they just haven't had the nerve to spring it yet, but they are trying to condition us to accept it.
	Any comments to that, Paul?
	Watch, and then we'll go back to Wyatt.
	Well, yeah, he was talking about Independence Day and the fact that this false UFO invasion may be staged.
	Obviously, this is going to be 10, 15 years down the line.
	But I actually wrote an article on this many months ago.
	I've got the exact Reagan quote.
	I can play it right now.
	It's just a 16-second sample.
	You want to play it?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah, turn the volume up.
	Go ahead.
	I don't suppose we can wait for some alien race to come down and threaten us.
	Perhaps we need some outside universal threat.
	Our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.
	Did you get that?
	He said that in a State of the Union and before the U.N.
	Yeah, before the UN General Assembly, September 87.
	So that's the UN quote.
	Wyatt, is that where you were going?
	What you have here is a total movie of Order Out of Chaos.
	And that's the theme.
	But what really got me was when...
	Got my interest peaking to look and go back through this entire movie frame by frame and all the special effects.
	I don't care where it is, but wherever special effects are there, you have Illuminati symbolism.
	You have pyramids.
	You have the all-seeing eye in the pyramid.
	You have occultic symbols within the spaceships.
	Not only that, there's an American flag shown in one portion of the movie, and there's no stars in the field of blue.
	It's just red, white, and a field of blue.
	There's no stars at all, which caught me, began me to go back and look at this movie.
	Total federalism, total command and control.
	Thanks for the call.
	Okay.
	Good points.
	Alan in Kansas, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, sir.
	Hello.
	When we use the words New World Order and talk about New World Order, the word new is promotional.
	It sounds like it's something new.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	It's an old world order.
	I agree with you.
	It is so very, very old.
	And I think we need to start explaining this to people every time we say, well, we don't agree with the new world order.
	It sounds like we don't agree with something new.
	And it's not new.
	It's not even about the world.
	It's about some kings and pseudo kings and princes and prince wannabes forming a syndicate.
	And it's not even very orderly.
	Look at what's going on today.
	Yeah, it's a criminal crime ring.
	It's pirates.
	Bushwhacking people.
	Yeah.
	Stay there.
	I'll let you finish up.
	We're going to get our guests on.
	But for Alan and Joan and others that are holding, just stay there.
	I'll get your calls early.
	Paul Watson, stay there as well.
	We've got the head of Caspian joining us to talk about some bombshell information that, believe me, you do not want to miss coming up here in the next segment.
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	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	Catherine Ulbricht is our guest.
	She's degreed from Harvard, working on her doctorate and graduate work there.
	Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering.
	They've broken dozens of major stories about how these supermarket discount cards really rip you off, how they share and sell the data the government's involved.
	RFIDs we've been covering here for years, the Small Radio Frequency Identification Tracker Tags.
	The Cashless Society, Control Grid, the biometrics, all of it.
	And they have just broken a massive story.
	Riding shotgun with us for another 30 minutes or so is Paul Joseph Watson, my webmaster.
	He's also an author of War Out of Chaos.
	He's joining us here, and I know we have some callers holding.
	Let me give you some background on this and read the Calm World July 8th news story today.
	We mentioned this yesterday.
	I also have another article here out of the Associated Press covering this, another one out of Line 56 newspaper.
	consumer group opposing the rollout of RFID tags has grabbed a bunch of documents from an RFID industry site and mirrored them, and we've posted them too on Infowars.com, and what it says is an attempt to expose the industry's intended publicity campaigns.
	A U.S.
	The documents published here currently...
	Online.
	You can get them, though, folks.
	And it goes, recommendations, consumer surveys, and slideshows discussing how to pacify consumers.
	The Walmart documents we have talk about the same things.
	The Artified Industry site.
	AutoIDCenter.com has already begun removing or replacing the documents discovered by Caspian and mirrored by Proptome.org, while the RFID Journal has complained that Caspian has invaded the privacy of AutoIDCenter.com members.
	Well, you've got the Department of Defense in there.
	You've got FBI agents from our sources inside the Walmart RFID Center in a bunker.
	I mean, this is the Cashless Society grid.
	Cryptome is going on off-air due to Slapshot.Effect.
	The documents cited by Cryptome, however, have been interpreted as evidence of negative attitude towards consumers.
	They speak of a need to pacify consumers when unfavorable RFID tagging news stories emerge and look for ways to, quote, neutralize opposition.
	The RFID industry has for some time focused on its publicity on supply chain issues and away from consumer tracking, though earlier last year Walmart told the USA Today that it was about tracking you, so that they've already been caught.
	Partly because of privacy concerns reflected in a survey in the Caspian documents which show 78% of consumers in America are worried that tags will invade their privacy.
	However, the industry is also to deal with considerable consumer ignorance and
	Yeah.
	So that is true.
	It's a lot more dangerous, folks, to have a cell phone than one of these RFID tags, microscopic transmissions just with the waves hitting it and reading it.
	But joining us is the founder and head of Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion,
	And numbering, and she's Catherine Albrecht, and we're so honored to have you on the show, Catherine.
	Good to have you with us.
	Hey, Alex.
	Always a pleasure to be on with you.
	Had you on just two weeks ago, and you're getting more and more documents as you do more and more interviews.
	You've been on around the world.
	This is a big deal.
	I know you've got copies of the documents.
	Tell us exactly what you've discovered in the incredibly arrogant statements.
	But frankly, from when you were on three weeks ago, you heard similar statements.
	Yeah, well, you know, the thing that's been happening is behind the scenes since 1999 when this Auto ID Center first got founded.
	And to put this in perspective for your listeners, by the way, the Auto ID Center, the folks who had this gaping security hall where we were able to just go in and see all these embarrassing and confidential documents.
	They're actually, you know, it could be argued that they are one of the most powerful organizations in the world right now in terms of futuristic technology.
	Well, they're connected to all the people.
	Walmart got the barcode to become universal in the 80s.
	They're doing it again by them forcing all of their manufacturers to adopt this.
	This will become universal.
	You've got it.
	Walmart being one of the sponsors of the Auto ID Center, it's comprised of now more than 100 different organizations and companies, product manufacturers, retailers all around the world.
	They have gotten together and for, as I said, the last three years have been meeting secretly behind closed doors in these meetings having discussions.
	And that is the definition of racketeering.
	I will say it.
	They are colluding to change industry and to make us accept the new system with additional costs as well.
	This is racketeering, setting up a new industry, and then it has the privacy implications.
	Well, and the problem here is it would be one thing if they were meeting behind closed doors to talk about, oh, I don't know, new forms of forklifts or something to develop for the warehouse.
	But what they have developed is something that has the potential to influence every single human being on the planet.
	And they say that in their documents.
	Tell us about the new documents and how you got them, and then we're going to get Paul Watson's response to this.
	Well, it's kind of funny.
	We first stumbled across this huge gap in their website security back in the spring.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Confidential, these documents were.
	And I'm talking about lengthy lists with emails of everyone who's participated in their meetings with telephone numbers.
	Corporate chieftains' home addresses.
	Yeah, I mean, that level of detail.
	Department of Defense goodies.
	In fact, a Canadian researcher just found a bunch of NSA stuff posted.
	We're good to go.
	I think?
	Well, these documents contain everything from board meetings that are confidential, secret PowerPoint presentations that they have given to, say, everyone from the Department of Transportation.
	It has references to meetings with Homeland Security Chief Tom Ridge.
	It has references to trials, actual store-level trials where they're putting these
	...tagging devices into actual products that people are taking home with them.
	This has been vehemently denied in the media, and yet these internal documents openly state and specify that this is happening.
	This is massive, and you talked about it at the public meeting in Chicago.
	They said, if we can get Homeland Security to endorse this for security, now they're saying they want all the cows and sheep to have this, federal inspectors, a whole new level of bureaucracy, a security clearance to have any job.
	I mean, this is their control grid.
	Remember, I talked about Ridge on C-SPAN last year, last time you were on, Catherine.
	I have him on tape on C-SPAN.
	I've got to dig the tape out.
	And I watched this live, and he was meeting with corporate heads, and he talked about this control grid.
	Well, and I think that this is one of the concerns is that, you know, the companies involved in this would tell you that their only concern is better efficiency in the supply chain, that they're only worried about warehouses and, you know, transporting things more efficiently.
	But now he's meeting with Ridge.
	Yeah, and one of the things that you'll see on here, and let me just reread that quote that I mentioned last time we were on together, Alex.
	This is a quote by Larry Kellum.
	He's the director of B2B Supply Chain Innovation for Procter & Gamble.
	He gave a whole presentation about how item-level tagging is going to be the future of RFID.
	Now, item-level tagging is actually putting one of these tiny remote transmitter chips on every consumer product manufactured in the world.
	The clothing?
	Woven into the clothing.
	Well, woven into the clothing or potentially pressed right into plastic in bottles and products as they come off the shelf.
	Gillette already has it.
	Michelin already has it in the tires.
	Well, Gillette is testing it.
	They've been putting it in the packaging, but the potential is quite large that they would put this right into... I mean, for some things, the packaging may as well be the product.
	Now, it's in the Michelin tire.
	Yes, and we have seen schematic diagrams, and that has been going forward.
	Let me stop you, Catherine, because we've got Paul Watson here, and we're so honored to have you.
	I know I'm jumping in a lot, just adding ten bits, and I want to get into what the documents actually say in the next segment.
	But let's bring Paul Watson, our researcher from England, on.
	Paul, any comments to what Catherine's saying?
	Well, you mentioned the first interview with Catherine, and anyone can go online and listen to that now at prisonplanet.com in the audio section, June 20th interview.
	But also, we posted just yesterday a picture which one of our Prison Planet columnists actually took personally from Walmart, and it reads, and you can go online and see this now,
	To our valued customers, for your protection, and to bring you low prices, we use closed circuit televisions and electronic merchandise tagging systems.
	And that picture's on prisonplanet.com right now.
	So there they are trying to push it.
	Catherine, what do you say to that?
	Well, you know, it's true.
	And the problem here with Walmart is that they're putting these hidden reader devices in shelves and in floor tags.
	We actually have a document that states this is happening now.
	They have vehemently denied it in interviews with reporters.
	They're scanning you as you walk around inside the store, and you said the cameras watch you when you pick up the Gillette razors.
	Well, that is one of their stated plans, absolutely.
	And let me give you a list of products that we have a document right here that specifies at Walmart in Phase 3 testing, they are testing Caress Soap, Right Guard Aerosol Deodorant,
	Canteen shampoo, puggies, baby wipes, Coca-Cola 2-liter bottles, and, of course, Gillette products.
	Now, when you look at this document that talks about Walmart doing this, it actually says that for each of these products, they're doing a shelf read.
	Now, a shelf read means actually reading the items on the shelf.
	So this means that the tags must be in the items themselves in order to do that.
	And that's big, in the items themselves, and they said they weren't doing that.
	One of the other ones is a floor reader.
	There's a reference to a floor read for Coca-Cola.
	And the question we are now raising is, I have in my possession right here, right now, a pair of shoes.
	By the company called Footstar.
	And right on the tag, it says, Attention, our products have theft detection devices embedded, which will be deactivated at the register or at the service desk.
	So if you combine that with floor readers, you have the potential to read people through their shoes.
	After they leave, and in San Francisco, they're using an RFID to begin taxation off the toll roads, turning the entire city into toll roads, San Mato times, three weeks ago.
	Riveting information.
	Stay there.
	Absolutely important.
	Got to boycott them now before they put it in everything and there's no escaping it.
	Then they'll make it the law that every product has to have it unified in the supply chain.
	We'll be right back.
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	Joan, Bob, Bill, and others, your calls are coming up.
	We're talking to Catherine Albrecht.
	She is the founder and head of Caspian.
	She is a degree from Harvard and also about to get her doctorate there.
	Started a few years ago, Caspian.
	It's done incredible work.
	Consumers against supermarket privacy invasion and numbering.
	I start hyperventilating when we talk about this.
	This is the cashless society control grid.
	Department of Defense is a member of this.
	Ridge involved.
	Total control grid of everything you do.
	Cashless society taxation.
	That's what this is all about.
	And now they went to their website, and the idiots had whole areas that were accessible that said...
	You know, classified, not for distribution, internal, and then going over these documents.
	And Paul Watson, jump in any time.
	These documents you've gotten, Catherine, are just bombshell.
	And, of course, you've got them and excerpts of them on your website.
	And we'll talk about that in a few minutes and how folks access.
	We have a link to it on Infowars.com.
	What else is in the documents?
	I mean, not just how they're already in the shoes and stuff and going to read you.
	I mean, there was a Washington Post article last year saying they already have pressure plates and cameras that read your eye movement, how long you watch something for psychological algorithms to be built, psychological dossiers on us.
	That was in the Washington Post.
	I don't know if you saw that article where they admitted all this, but what about their statements about pacifying us and about neutralizing opposition and manipulating the public?
	Can you tell us about that?
	Sure.
	I think one of the big problems that the Auto ID Center and hence all the over 100 companies affiliated with it have right now is they have an enormous problem with consumers right now.
	78%, as you mentioned earlier, 78% of consumers that they studied in their own internal documents
	Thank you.
	So they've got a big problem, and their big problem is called a public relations nightmare.
	So they have called in heavy hitter PR firm Fleischman Hillard to devise a PR strategy for them.
	And one of the things, they've actually done two things.
	They called in Fleischman Hillard to say, come up with a PR strategy for us.
	The second thing, they actually studied a whole bunch of consumers all around the world, in Japan, Germany, England, the United States, France.
	And what they found was in every case that the people they surveyed did not like the technology.
	In that particular document, Helen Deuce, who is their researcher over there in England, she actually comes right out and says, well, and in fact at the November board meeting where all these guys got together again behind closed doors to talk about this, she presented the results of the study.
	And from what I have been told, her comment was, well, we've got some good news and some bad news.
	The bad news is that people really don't like this technology.
	That's the result of my study.
	The good news is that it appears they will be apathetic
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	We've got to really promote Caspian, and we've got to get the word out.
	I know I've been talking about RFID for five years, Tex Mars for eight years, people.
	Watson, got any ideas on how to get the word out on this other than this show?
	Well, yeah, I mean, Catherine mentioned the fact that this same system is being implemented in, you know, what we call the echelon countries, specifically my country.
	But people in this country say, oh, well, we haven't got a Walmart over here, so they're not introducing it.
	But Walmart, in fact, owns the major supermarket store over here, which is Asda.
	So it's the same system being implemented across all those countries.
	It's interesting that
	We're talking about these documents that have just been released that lay the groundwork and the quote I read out, one of the stories that came out today is that these companies talked about how they would manage the release of negative stories about RFID, which mirrors
	So now they've got a direct apathy.
	I mean, think about how arrogant they are to you and your family, folks.
	Catherine?
	Let me tell you one of the ways that this is actually a strategic, an element of their strategic plan is to encourage apathy.
	One of the things in the Fleischman-Hiller document, or one of the many Fleischman-Hiller documents we have obtained, they actually say, emphasize in all public communications with the press the inevitability of this technology.
	So emphasize, you know, it's coming, it's inevitable, there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.
	What does the board say?
	What does the board say?
	Resistance is futile!
	Resistance is futile!
	Resistance is futile!
	Lay down, GI.
	You won't be seeing your sweetheart.
	Lay down, Tokyo Rose said.
	Watson, do about five more minutes with us on the other side.
	And head of Caspian, stay right there, Catherine.
	Amazing information.
	I want to hear more about these secret documents you've gotten and how they're panicking.
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	These are all the top, most important issues, strategic things you've got to stop the globalists from putting in.
	And Paul Watson, I'm giving you a mission, my friend.
	I don't just want an audio file of this interview with Catherine up on the website.
	I am asking our listeners, three or four of you that do this, hauling all cars, I want a transcript of this interview posted because Greg Paulus and others at the BBC have posted them.
	The transcripts of this show get published in major newspapers around the world.
	I don't know why.
	I guess the interviews are so insightful with these great guests.
	Listeners, you know who you are.
	Email it to Watson, okay?
	Because at the time, we get so many thousands a day, sometimes I won't see it the first day.
	Email it to tips at infowars.com, and what's in the transcript of this?
	Where should they email it to you to get it posted so millions of listeners can email it out to folks?
	Listeners can email it to paul at propagandamatrix.com, and they'll get that.
	All right, and we'll publish it under the Prison Planet headline.
	This is so important.
	Catherine, I know I'm jumping in over you.
	I get out of control on this subject.
	It makes me so mad.
	Because I read them years ago saying what they would do with this taxation, control, tracking.
	You've got the internal documents.
	Before we go any further and then go to these calls, who got the incredible idea at Caspian to go to the site, to snoop around, not hack it, but just look around and find their classified documents of this governmental quasi-private group setting up this racketeering takeover?
	How did you get in and get this?
	And tell us about some of the other secret documents you've gotten.
	Well, let me tell you, Alex, what I think is the most disturbing part of this whole thing is that here are the people who reassure us that we can trust them to put these tagging devices in everything we come in contact with, that we can trust them because they are going to use Internet security.
	And this is actually a quote from one of their documents, their public relations documents out to the public saying, hey, you know, well, what about security?
	Isn't that going to be an issue when you put RFID tags in everything and you're tracking everything through the Internet and through these massive databases?
	Their response has been, you don't have to worry about that.
	We've got security under control.
	Internet security is very strong and very powerful.
	And then you go to their website.
	And so your private data will be protected.
	So I go to their website, and on the search, you go right to the front page of autoidcenter.org.
	We're good to go.
	These people do not have a clue about security.
	They do not have the first idea of how to protect their own sensitive information.
	Well, Catherine, and now they're going to tie us all into this grid.
	They're the people, this same grid, same companies, Walmart and others, that had pushed for the social security number as an identifier everywhere now.
	They admit that has caused the proliferation of identity theft.
	And now they're opening a bigger Pandora's box and they'll offer more tracking and tracing.
	And, I mean, this is incredible.
	I have to say, the amount of, I mean, the idea of leaving these bozos in charge of my personal data being collected on me everywhere I went through RFID tags is enough to send chills down my spine.
	I'm not just talking about...
	They are dangerous.
	They are dangerous because they don't see the future they're creating.
	They are dangerous because they don't take reasonable, even common sense precautions.
	Even to protect their own selves, which is where, you know, clearly they have an interest in that.
	A criminal can also scan boxcars, warehouses, homes, and find out what you've got inside.
	They admit that a lot of these can transmit over distances, between 2 feet and 100 yards is what I've read in the mainstream news.
	We're good to go.
	And then now you've got Ridge in these documents meeting with them.
	You go to their public meetings and they say, we've got to get Homeland Security to be behind this and pushing it.
	Tell us about those secret documents, please.
	Well, the quote I wanted to read to you about Larry Kellum said, if we get a declaration from Homeland Security that this is the step we need to take to protect the food supply, that's the step that will move this technology forward.
	We're already hearing that out of Ridge.
	And that was in reference to item-level tagging, which means putting remote tracking devices on every item in the food chain.
	And you said you got shoes that already have this in it.
	That is correct.
	I was sent these shoes by someone who purchased them in Hawaii, of all places.
	She got concerned because she saw this tag on them and sent them to us.
	Now, the company that manufactures these shoes, we have not yet, by the way, x-rayed the shoes to find out if we have the tag in there.
	If anyone has access to an x-ray machine and would like to volunteer it to us,
	Well, you're up in Harvard country.
	I'm down in Texas.
	My dad is a dentist and oral surgeon.
	I've got skull x-rays that would scan those nicely.
	Well, hey, Alex, I'll send them your way.
	You can post them on your website.
	You can be the first to get the information out about whether we've found tracking devices in shoes or not.
	Be sure and ensure that.
	I will call you when I get off air and give you the address to send it.
	And I will, within a day of getting those, have them x-rayed.
	And then do you want me to dig out with tweezers the chip itself and then maybe scan that as well?
	Well, you know, it would be interesting to know what exactly they've put in there.
	And again, for your listeners who may have just tuned in and missed that portion, I have in my possession a pair of size 7 Soho shoes.
	These are women's sandals in an extruded kind of a foam plastic.
	On them there is an attached tag that says,
	www.footstar.com.
	Attention, our products have theft detection devices embedded, which will be deactivated at the register or the service desk.
	Now, that could simply be an electronic, some other type of electronic article surveillance device.
	It could be an RFID chip.
	At this point, we do not know.
	What we do know, though, is that this company...
	Thank you very much.
	Yes.
	The first and second phases are now complete.
	They are now in the middle of Phase 3, and Phase 3 is item-level tagging, among other things, meaning putting these into individual items, seeing how consumers interact with them, seeing how the stores and readers interact with them, seeing what happens when they try to read many dozens of things at a time on a shelf in a store.
	Here are the products, and I hope we do get a transcript of this because I would like this to be made public.
	Here are the products that are being tagged individually
	Currently, it says summer of 2003.
	Procter & Gamble is tagging Bounty Towels and Pantene Shampoo.
	It says Cape Girardieu Factory, Iowa City, D.C.
	That means distribution center.
	So Bounty Towels and Pantene Shampoo coming out of there may well be tagged.
	Gillette Mach 3, 16-pack, Right Guard aerosol deodorant, 10-ounce cans.
	That's coming out of Chicago.
	Unilever, a major consumer products company, produces these products that will be tagged.
	Liquid All Detergent, Caress Soap.
	That is coming out of Baltimore.
	Johnson & Johnson is tagging Carefree.
	I'm not sure what Carefree is.
	Also, Bedtime Bath out of Olive Branch.
	Kraft Foods is tagging Maxwell House Coffee and Kraft Cheese Slices out of Fort Worth.
	And Coca-Cola is tagging 2-liter bottles of Coke, and then it has a comma, and it says 8-pack tray.
	That is out of Cleveland, Tennessee, and it says bottler there.
	Now, when I look at another chart here from their internal documents, it says Caress Soap 6-pack, Pantene Shampoo 750-milliliter bottle.
	On the right, it says Walmart running vertically down between all of these products, meaning that these are all being tested at Walmart right now.
	It says unit and case aggregate.
	Now, that would mean potentially that they're talking about backroom supply side in the warehouse.
	But next to it is the concern.
	It says shelf read.
	Shelf read means putting the individual products on the shelf and making sure you can read each individual product.
	And here's the one that has me the most concerned.
	Coca-Cola, it says shelf and floor read.
	Now, floor readers, I think, are one of the biggest concerns we face with this technology, Alex, because it has already been demonstrated through research that has been done associated with the Auto ID Center that these reader devices can be embedded into floor tiles and carpet, meaning that if
	Now, and by the way, the read range on these, the read range really doesn't go beyond about 20, 30 feet unless you put a battery in it or unless you hack around a little.
	The read range typically is, I would say, between 5, 10, 15 feet in that area, but the more powerful devices have a shorter read range in some cases.
	Now, if you can put RFID tags into shoes, and if you can get away with hiding them in shoes, and you have reader devices in floors...
	Then there just went away your read range problem of 20, 30 feet to track people.
	You simply put down a mat at the entrance of your store or wherever it is you want to track people, and you take a read right off their shoes.
	In the Washington Post article last year, and Paul, when you dig all these up and post them in the story when we do a transcript,
	We're good to go.
	Did you hear about that?
	Well, you know, that's really the idea is to find ways to custom tailor things to individuals to identify them.
	That's what they claim on the surface, yeah.
	Well, I have in my possession a prototype loyalty card that actually contains within it an RFID tag that can be read right through your purse, backpack, or wallet.
	Well, they have the IBM ad a few years ago where the guy, you think he's stealing food, he's putting it in his jacket, he walks out, the security guard comes over and says, sir, your receipt.
	Exactly.
	Now, in that case, though, the reader device in the doorway has read the products that he's carrying and presumably also read some identifier of him so that those products could be deducted from his payment system, whatever that is.
	That's an IBM ad for this new chip credit card.
	Paul Watson, any comments to what she's saying?
	Yeah, just to throw this in, we actually had an article on prisonplanet.com last week where
	One of these RFID tags was actually discovered in women's underwear.
	So we've got all these products on top of each other.
	But the question that I wanted to put to Catherine is about Benetton, because we know that Catherine led a successful campaign against Benetton to boycott Benetton against putting RFID tags in clothes.
	But we recently had an article out of the RFID Journal, which is the main propaganda organ of RFID,
	Yeah, Catherine, that question and then also the quotes here out of the news where you have the documents that talk about, quote, neutralizing opposition, pacifying consumers.
	Answer his question and mine, please.
	Well, let's see.
	The issue with Benetton is that Benetton, I think, was astonished at the speed and power of the firestorm that consumed them when they made the announcement that they were going to be embedding RFID remote tracking devices in clothing labels.
	Now, that is absolutely over the line.
	I think everyone who heard the story agreed.
	They were inundated with press requests from as far away as Tasmania.
	I was on Swedish public radio.
	We've been featured all over France, Australia, all over the world.
	People went nuts when they heard about this.
	Now, what I did not realize at the time, apparently, is that Mauro Benetton, a member of the Benetton family, is also deeply involved with a company called LabID that is developing and promoting this label tagging technology.
	And so apparently our boycott against Benetton caused a big family rift in the Benetton family.
	This is what I've been told from inside sources, that Mauro Benetton apparently had put in about $15 million to developing this RFID technology and investing in it and was going to apparently use his family's company, Benetton, as one of the first examples of bringing it to market.
	And when the rest of the Benetton family heard what had happened or were right in the middle of this firestorm, they said, you know what, I don't care what you've invested.
	We are pulling back from this.
	This is dangerous stuff.
	We are going to get clobbered in the market.
	I don't care if they pull back.
	Benetton, we must target them just like Smith & Wesson when they tried to do this sneaky anti-gun move a few years ago.
	I don't care if they sell it, what they do.
	We must salt the earth.
	Anyone, Walmart, everyone, we must boycott them 110%, all of them.
	You know who I want to call for the biggest boycott of all against is Gillette.
	I think that Gillette is one of the most despicable companies I have ever come in contact with in working with this technology.
	I personally was in a Brockton Walmart.
	Now this is another story I'll give you a little exclusive on here.
	I went into the Brockton Walmart after reading in the Boston Globe a few weeks ago that they were going to begin their shelf level tagging test the following week.
	So I drove an hour and so down there to get to the store.
	I went into the store.
	It was in a predominantly minority community.
	That was the first thing that struck my notice, so that, for example, if people felt that their privacy had been violated, there wouldn't be a whole lot of Manhattan lawyers potentially shopping there to sue them.
	Yeah, disenfranchised groups are always tested on first.
	And I had several lengthy conversations with a family who spoke Spanish.
	I am also fluent in Spanish, so I was able to, they were also fluent in English, but we conversed in both languages about their concerns about this technology.
	I was interacting in that store, I would say, for over two hours.
	I spent a great deal of time in front of that shelf.
	I even purchased a disposable camera at Walmart, and I took photographs of that shelf, which I now have in my possession.
	Absolutely amazing.
	Paul Watson comments, and we're going to calls.
	Yeah, and as I said, we've got a big picture on prisonplanet.com of a six-foot sign at Walmart saying RFID is for your safety.
	But another thing I wanted to mention is that
	Catherine was talking about the Google hits on the term RFID.
	Don't be surprised if they actually changed the terminology for that because we've seen that with programs like Total Information Awareness being changed to Talon and LifeWall.
	Paul, what an excellent point.
	Sure.
	Can I jump in here?
	One of the things we uncovered in this strategy document by Fleischman-Hillard was they actually have toyed around with the idea of calling these green tags.
	Safer, better, smarter, something like that.
	You know, actually promoting them is this wonderful thing that's somehow going to make the world better.
	And, you know, I saw that and I thought, you know, that is really, that is such a stretch.
	And, you know, I really hope they do something like that because that means they would take a public splash, they would take this public, and believe me, the public would be on them like white on rice.
	Well, that's really stupid because green tag is something even easier to get across to people.
	RFID is kind of a hard concept.
	I want to go to Joan, Bob, and Bill.
	I'm going to give you each about a minute on the other side with our guest, Catherine Albrecht, and give you out her website as well.
	I want to thank you for joining us, Paul Watson.
	Okay, thanks, Alex.
	Take care, bud.
	I'll talk to you soon.
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	We'll come back and take three final calls and let you hit on some final tidbits.
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	Catherine, what about the website for Caspian?
	How do folks visit the website and get more informed?
	You can find us online at www.nocards.org.
	We are no cards because we originally started fighting supermarket cards, which are just a drop in the bucket compared to the data you can collect with RFID.
	You can find us online there.
	You can also do a Google search under Caspian.
	We usually come up as the first or second hit on that search.
	You can find us there easily if you can remember we are called Caspian.
	My email address is kma at nocards.org.
	Okay, nocards.org.
	Let's take a call.
	Quickly, callers, thanks for holding.
	Joan in Florida, you're on the air.
	Yes, Alex.
	Out of a regular newspaper, Tampa Tribune, our opinion, it was June 15th, so they can go tbo.com and research this article.
	Our opinion, new science of radio tags, hold promise, comma,
	Threatens privacy.
	And it also talks in here on this about the tag car could be taxed based on where and when you drive your car.
	Wow.
	Give me that article and please email it to Catherine.
	So, Tampa Tribune saying it'll be used to tax cars.
	Already happening with a little bit more sophisticated transponder in the San Francisco Bay Area.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Interesting, Catherine.
	And, you know, the limits of what this will be used for are just the limits of the human imagination.
	If they can find a reason for collecting the data, this technology will enable them to do it.
	And, Alex...
	You talk about a number of other concerns about illegal immigration, about police brutality and other issues.
	I'm telling you, no matter what your concern is, envision that the people doing the oppressing have access to this technology, and you will see why this affects all of us.
	No matter what your freedom issue or your personal issue, no matter what it is, RFID will take that issue and bring it to a whole new level of bad.
	That is why we must oppose this.
	Amazing.
	Amazing.
	I've got a document in here in front of me real quick I want to tell you about, Alex, because before we get off the air here.
	This is Department of Defense Applications of Auto ID.
	And this is a Mr. Kimball from the Auto ID who was speaking at a meeting.
	They're going to make the Iraqis wear it.
	I'd like to read you something here.
	Mr. Kimball described four projects which the Department of Defense is pursuing related to Auto ID.
	Most of these are pretty innocuous.
	The Department of Defense needs to know the location of materials at all stages of its life cycle.
	Got about a minute left.
	All right.
	The final one is, this is the one at the end, it says, Mr. Kimball mused on future applications including a telepathy tag.
	Such a tag does not exist, nor can we guess how it might work, but the point is that the Department of Defense is careful not to go down a course of action that precludes adoption of a new technology when that technology becomes feasible.
	A telepathy tag?
	What is that?
	It's insane.
	Real quick, Bob in New York, thanks for holding.
	You've got 30 seconds.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead, Bob.
	My training is in electronics, and there is a device called a degouser stick, or a degousing device.
	It's used in the pitcher tube industry or TV set industry.
	If you just search degaussing coil on the Internet, I'm sure you'll be able to find it.
	You just can't use that device around any electronics or it'll blast it.
	It will blast out those RFID tags.
	All right.
	Thank you for the call.
	Sorry to Bill and others that we're holding.
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