Greg Palast, an investigative journalist, discusses his book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy,"
which exposes the criminal activities of both Republicans and Democrats. He raises concerns about
the influence of big corporations on foreign policy decisions and the suppression of critical
reporting by mainstream media outlets. In particular, he highlights the connections between George
W. Bush's business partners and Osama Bin Laden's family members. Palast also touches on issues
related to insider trading linked to the airline industry and the potential vulnerability of
chemical plants due to lax security measures.
All right, my friends, I'm Alex Jones, your host, coming to you live from Austin, Texas.
And we're joined by award-winning investigative journalist, Greg Pallast of the BBC,
who has just been named by a major publication in England as the greatest investigative journalist of all time.
He's been doing it for decades, and he exposes the Republicans and the Democrats for their criminal activities, and he's going to break some major news stories here on the show today.
And I assure you, we'll get a transcript of it and post it by the end of the week on InfoWars.com.
Joining us from the radio studios there in Houston is Gregg Powless, joining us for a full hour.
Gregg, great to have you back on the show.
unidentified
Alex, it is a real privilege.
You are the bit of light that's breaking through the electronic Berlin Wall.
For those who don't know me, I report for BBC Television, which is the major news outlet of the world, except it doesn't come into the U.S., my reports.
They're basically blacked out.
And so the only way I can kind of get through is if you hear me on Alex Jones and a few courageous radio stations.
You've done tremendous work, Alex, and you're right.
I'm considered a real annoyance, a pain in the bottom to both the Republicans and Democrats, because I'm an investigative reporter.
I have to go after both.
And today, the reason I wanted to come out today was to break a bit of news.
And especially because today my book is coming out from Penguin Press, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.
It comes out just today, and I asked Alex if I could launch the book on his program, not on the usual suspects on the big networks.
I think that this is where I want to be.
So, it's coming out today, Best Democracy Money Can Buy.
It's the real story of the Bush family, Democrats, Republicans.
It has everything from 9-11, to theft of the election in Florida, to the World Bank, and IMF secret documents that I've uncovered.
I've got brand new stuff.
Those of you who had the hard down, this is completely rewritten.
And Greg, I'm not trying to toot my horn or your horn, but the example of what one person can do, people say, well, what can I do?
Whoever leaked the Patriot Act to the Justice Department is causing them big problems.
The person that, one of our listeners that made a transcript, when you were on the show back on March 4th, that was published in hundreds of newspapers, translated into all these languages.
It shows what the alternative media can do.
Can you speak to that?
unidentified
That's right.
Well, I have to say, I was back in March, I was on your program, and I broke the fact that I had obtained a series of documents marked secret and confidential from inside the IMF.
And the World Bank, which basically, nation by nation, laid out plans for reorganizing these nations' economies.
They are basically plans for financial coup d'etat in places like Argentina, Bolivia, Tanzania.
And needless to say, those are plans which benefited a few New York financiers and a few corporations to their benefit.
And the plan detailed how to blow out economies, cause riots, take over the government, and install a new government.
unidentified
And I have to say that our interview ran on the front page of papers in Turkey, Argentina.
In fact, it's been translated in something like 40 languages.
And I have to tell you that finally the mainstream press is catching up because it's been a year since that broadcast, but this month's Harper's Magazine, which is of course one of the great voices Of New York establishments.
It's a terrific journal.
They are running that story now with copies of some of the documents.
And I have brand new stuff.
So Alex, you're a year ahead of the pack.
It's going to be all over the place now.
But you were the guy who was ahead.
It's in the book, by the way.
My discussions with you and the newest information.
One of the stories I broke on BBC television was that before September 11th, f_b_i_ agents and c_i_a_ a agents
told bbc television that they were blocked from investigating
certain members of the bin laden family in america who were tied to suspect
terrorist organizations and that they could not investigate
how do you read in funding about kyle and other terrorist groups and they were
very frustrated that they could not
through this investigation before september eleventh we have a document
showing the investigations were were uh... some of them were
uh... political for beginning september thirteenth two thousand
And I have to say, you know, I'm not saying, I don't know whether George Bush had any knowledge or pre-knowledge of September 11th or any of that, but what I was investigating, though, was why were the intelligence agencies told to stay away?
And now I want to give you a piece of information, Alex, which some of it's in the new book and some of it just will be on your show for the first time today.
One of the things I was very concerned about, BBC learned about from two completely separate sources about a meeting in June of 1996 in Paris between Saudi Arabian billionaires, international arms dealers, and the finance arm of Al-Qaeda.
And there was a discussion about how much the Saudis would pay to Al-Qaeda and these other so-called charities.
that were really fronts for terrorist organizations.
The idea was that the Saudis were going to pay off these guys to get out of Saudi Arabia.
That was the month that 19 American servicemen were killed in Saudi Arabia when Al-Qaeda blew up the Khobar Towers.
So 19 American servicemen were dead.
So the Saudis, rather than go after these guys, said, well we'll write them a big check and tell them to go play in Afghanistan.
And I was wondering why the intelligence agents were not free We're not free by the Bush administration to really go after that source of funding.
You know, the old rule of investigation is follow the money.
If you can't look at Osama Bin Laden's piggy bank, and you can't check out a checking account, you're not going to know what he's up to.
So I found out who was at the meeting.
And one guy at the meeting, according to two separate sources, is a Saudi rich Saudi named Sheikh Abdullah Baksh. B-A-K-S-H
Boy, you've got a good memory. You know exactly where it comes from.
This guy was supposedly in this meeting about funding al-Qaeda and what we also know is that
when George W. Bush was in the oil business, he...
He made millions in the oil business, though he never struck oil, but he seemed to strike the pockets of several Saudi sheikhs.
Every time he had an oil venture going south, he had one called Arbusto, then another called Spectrum.
Finally, those were bought up by Harkin Oil.
A Gulf sheikh would come in and put up the money to pull George W. out of the financial fire.
And it was Abdullah Sheikh, Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh, who was the big money helping to refinance Harken Oil and save George W. from basically from bankruptcy in the oil business.
And so this is the guy, this is George, you know when our president says there are thousands of people out there trying to kill us and people supporting terror, he might want to look at some of his own business partners.
Now isn't he one of the richest people in Saudi Arabia and also bin Laden's older brother was involved in it too right here in Texas.
unidentified
Well, you know, we did have... I haven't been able to get the information on the Texas story.
You may have more information on that.
What I was concerned about is that there are two members of the Bin Laden family in Washington, D.C., in Virginia Falls, which overlooks the Pentagon.
Abdullah and Omar Bin Laden.
Now, we have to be careful, there's lots of Abdullahs and there's lots of Omar Bin Ladens.
The guy had 52... Osama had 52 brothers and sisters, so, you know, it's quite a family.
So not all of them, just because they're named Bin Laden or even Abdullah, are suspects.
But these two guys, and you had this on your program, because this was from the FBI document 199-I, which is a national security secret document, which agents basically dropped off for us.
Because they were upset that they couldn't investigate these guys.
And they were fronting an organization called Whammy.
And, which sounds very nice, the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, you know, and they do actually support, like, little baseball teams and basketball teams and that type of thing.
But, I saw some of their films of their training camp for kids.
It was basically recruitment for suicide bombings, recruitment for jihad.
This is going on in Florida, by the way.
And now it turns out that a member of this organization, headed by, at one point, by Bin Laden, And by the Saudi Royal Family.
Turns out to be the conduit for the tapes from Osama Bin Laden to Al Jazeera television.
The guy was just arrested in Somalia from Whammy.
This is the organization that the FBI wanted to investigate and they were told, back off.
And what we have to be concerned about is whether... I'm very concerned whether the Bush family's finances are prejudicing their view of how to conduct foreign policy and how to handle the intelligence community.
Well, in early 2001, Wall Street Journal called for the Bushes to get out of the Carlisle Group.
unidentified
Yes, for those who don't know, and if you've been listening to Alex, I'm sure you do know, the Bin Laden family is one of the funders of the Carlisle Group.
This is one of the problems you run into with many things.
You were talking about the Homeland Security and USA Patriot Act.
One other thing that's coming out in the book, and by the way, if you don't mind me mentioning the book out today, it's the best democracy money can buy, acknowledging the great work of Alex Jones.
And to get this word into the U.S.A.
Like I say, it's mainstream stuff in the rest of the world, but you know, I'm kind of put out as a pariah on U.S.
Well, Teddy Roosevelt said that was the definition of being patriotic.
unidentified
Well, you know, when you talk about Homeland Security and keeping track of your private finances, whether you own a legal weapon, etc., who is the company making the money off this?
Forbes Magazine says that we don't know who's lost the war on terror, but we sure know who's won.
It's a company called Choice Point.
And you'll find this in the book, which is the best democracy money can buy.
And what's interesting about Choice Point, if you remember, I broke a story in BBC, which Alex, you also mentioned, that before the Florida election of 2000, before the presidential election, Catherine Harris and Jeb Bush knocked off 57,000 legal voters off the voter rolls.
Um, and it turns out that most of them were black.
It's not that they had prejudice against black.
They didn't like the fact that they're the color of black voters, which is generally vote Democratic.
And, um, who gave them this list of voters?
Supposedly they were knocked off because they were felons and evildoers who were not allowed to vote in Florida.
Well, it turns out all those people, 90.2% of the people on that list were innocent.
And that swung the election.
Who came up with that rotten little list?
It was a company called Choice Point.
Who is the biggest contractor for the War on Terror and Homeland Security for spying on Americans?
Choice Point.
They picked the President.
The President has picked them for the total information awareness business.
These guys are, and now they want your blood, Alex.
You'll find this in the book, too.
There's a company called Bode Technologies.
Which has been getting a lot of good airplay because they supposedly find all the kiddies who you see their pictures on the milk cartons, missing children.
They try to use DNA samples to find the missing kids.
It's a very heartwarming story.
And they encourage you to send them, you know, your blood and your DNA and your hair and all that in case your kid gets lost.
What they should tell you is that this company, Bode Technologies, is also the biggest contractor to the FBI for supplying their DNA CODIS.
Well, that even said, I had one of these individuals connected to the group on the show who had pushed back in the early 90s for a federal law that we all have to give DNA at birth and now it's come out that a lot of those healed blood tests they've been doing, most of the states have now been caught, but they keep doing it.
They go, oh, it's a blood test for your baby.
They take three ampoules, one goes to the health department, which is for the blood test, one goes to the state, and one to the feds.
They've got illegal DNA databases, and again, this is just being done, and it's always shadowy, you know, slash CIA front companies involved in it, as you just mentioned.
unidentified
Well, in fact, this company, Bode Technologies, is 100% owned subsidiary of the company that made Bush president, Choice Point, the same I mean, for picking our president, they've done very well for themselves.
While the rest of the stock market's going down the tubes, this company is rising.
The oil's up, the bank's up, the security, the police state, stocks are all up.
This is our new economy as a gulag.
unidentified
Well, you know, so I have some chapters of who's really winning the war on terror in the book.
in the best democracy money can buy and i gotta tell you this you know we've
got other problems not only in the bush family is deeply involved with saudi
arabia so it's like you know saudi evil here no saudi evil speak no saudi evil which is fine if that helped the
interest of the united states
but what have to ask when you have fifteen of nineteen hijackers coming from
saudi arabia what's really going on here
I'm very concerned, and I have to tell you, I spoke to agents, FBI agents, CIA agents, and you know, some of them, you know, those are agencies which have done some pretty strange things that we wish they hadn't done, but there's a lot of guys in there who are really trying to protect America, and not one of them... That's why we're getting all these leaks now.
That's right, they're leaking it out, because you know, and not one of them said, Alex, if we didn't have the Bill of Rights, We could have gotten these guys.
if we didn't have personal freedom we could have gotten this guy in.
Bill Moyers reported on something that MSNBC, that the New Yorker magazine, Fox just mentioned a year ago,
that as Kunduz and Kandahar were falling, then it was 6,000, now it's upwards of 8,000.
cream of the crop al-qaeda and taliban loaded on government aircraft with ISI flown out to safety, and we know that the Republican Senate report in 1999 said that Al-Qaeda was being funded by Clinton, that means the CIA, to attack the Serbs to start that war.
And so here we have the government flying them out, and Bill Moyers, I read part of his transcript yesterday, well they did fly them out, it's just an accident.
You start connecting all this together.
We know they were CISs in the past.
You start connecting it all together.
Greg, I ought to tell you.
I know you're a BBC reporter.
You can't, you know, go out on a limb here.
I do because I have the facts and all of it together.
You know, this thing is a giant operation.
And, you know, we were kooks to say prior knowledge.
That's now admitted fact.
I think you've got more than prior knowledge.
You've got funding and training.
The LA Times reported tens of millions of dollars in early 2001 being sent to the Taliban.
The only Taliban leader to be held by our government was the one guy who blew the whistle about 9-1-1.
He stayed behind it and he'd be a hero.
They grabbed him.
He's off at some undisclosed location.
Now, they have this top Taliban general, Washington Times reported, CIA ordered his release.
I mean, all these pieces together, what do you have to say about that?
unidentified
Well, you know, that's what I'm hunting down, the pieces.
I'll let you put it together, Alex.
I just provide the dots, you can make the connection.
One of the reasons why I believe that the bin Laden connection to this terrorist organization was not hunted down before September 11th.
Our terrorist front organization, or recruiting organization, however you want to call it, is that, as you said, it started really with the Daddy Bush administration and carried through the Clinton administration.
Well, what about Larry Klayman got up on national TV and said, we can't tell you what we know, here's a letter threatening to arrest us, he had Robert Wright, the FBI agent, and then he added to all of this, so the Bushes, by the way, vacation with the Bin Laden, that's all I can say.
It's amazing, Greg.
unidentified
Yeah, well, there's, you know, the backing of the Chechens, that's all blowback.
I mean, these guys were created by the Bush family.
Yeah, we've got more new IMF revelations, a bunch of stuff about the election, the CIA military industrial complex takeover.
We're joined by Greg Palast.
I'm Alex Jones.
Alright, the second hour is coming up.
And Greg Pallast will be with us for another 35 minutes.
We'll be opening the phones up a little bit later.
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Greg Pallas' website that we have a link to is gregpallas.com.
He has a best-selling book, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, and all this talk about the loving world government, the democracy.
It's bad enough we need a constitutional republic, but they're just calling pure tyranny their loving world democracy.
And Greg's got a bunch of other bombshell news stories, latest developments to drop on us, and we're honored to have him here with us today.
Greg Palast, continuing with the information.
Any other key points you want to add?
unidentified
There's several.
Like you say, the book just came out today, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, The Hardbound, I think it hit the New York Times Best Seller list because of Alex Jones, because so many of the listeners decided that they needed this information.
It shocked everyone.
The Times said, where did this book come from?
Well, Alex, we know.
But the new book is a special U.S.
edition.
It's double in size of what it was.
And one of the new things in there is we're about to go into Iraq.
Part of the reason is that Saddam has a bomb, or he has at least a rector set to make one.
I want to get back into the World Bank, the IMF, because when you were on this show March 4th, you said there's going to be a coup in the next month, and there was an attempted coup two weeks later, actually a week and a half later.
I want to talk about the World Bank, IMF, how they brag of how they're going to destroy all these economies, how they institute the police state, who's really behind all this.
It's all coming up and your calls, second hour.
i'm out with the other part of the drug palestine for dot com
In this e-mail Rick Palos sent me, he said, you're allowing me to speak about the sinister and secretive plans of the IMF World Bank.
Have now become mainstream approval.
This is my exposure.
This is his exposure of Inside Documents from Inside the New World Order will be featured in this month's Harper's Magazine.
And then we have the New York Times last week, Richard Bernstein, Nations Seek World Order centered on UN, not US.
And it says the meeting was saturated by the World Bank with the heads of Europe.
The meeting was saturated with a commitment to what may be viewed as a form of world government, the supervision of countries by international civil service bureaucracy.
And this is all run by the World Bank and the IMF, and it's not freedom-loving, it's tyranny-loving.
It's the new empire, it's not about left or right, it's about organized crime syndicates.
Ladies and gentlemen, and joining us is Greg Hallast, who was just talking about confirmed connections with the Bin Laden family and the Bushes, with the WAMY group being protected in these meetings in the late 1990s, and then Bush protecting these people as well as Clinton doing it, and how all this ties together, and now how the military-industrial complex is winning the war on terror, that is, winning the profits.
Uh, the hundreds of millions of dollars of profits, they say it'll be a 1.7 to 1.9 trillion dollars!
This is very important.
1.7 to 1.9 trillion dollar, five-year occupation and war cost in Iraq.
Greg Powell, getting back into the latest revelations on the IMF World Bank documents, they never deny that you got those from a secret source.
They just tried to spin it, but it has caused a firestorm.
How are they dealing with this now that the evidence came out that they were orchestrating the implosion of economies?
unidentified
Well, what they're doing is once again saying that I'm a conspiracy.
I always think it gives the conspirators a good laugh.
What's happened is they have a problem in that they vilified me and they vilified the guy who interpreted the documents.
He didn't hand me the documents, but he interpreted them.
The former chief economist of the World Bank, he knew that these documents were authentic.
And his name is Joe Stiglitz, and they got a problem because they were vilifying him as a nutcase and an evil guy, and then he just won the Nobel Prize in Economics.
So this is a Nobel Prize winner who said, Alex, that the information we had was authentic.
What these are is documents about, some of them are called nicely, politely, country
assistance plans, but they direct these nations to give up their resources.
For example, in the nation of Ecuador it says that this country could receive no international
funds, and just like if you can't go to the bank to get a mortgage, you can't get a house,
they were going to cut off their finance unless they met certain what they called conditionalities.
One of the conditionalities was that a permit be given to British Petroleum for a pipeline
over the Andes, and that they give their gas to British Petroleum.
In the case of Argentina, they required the nation to give up its water systems to guess
who?
A company named Enron.
And, you know, who was lobbying for Enron, I discovered, and is brand new to my book.
My book, by the way, again came out today, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, the brand
new U.S. revised edition.
And in this new U.S. edition, I say, who benefited from that World Bank dictate to Argentina
to turn over its gas supplies, its oil supplies, and its water supplies to Enron and a couple
of other operators?
The Public Works Minister of Argentina got a call from a guy named Jeb Bush saying, "Listen,
my daddy was just elected President.
This was in 1988, and he would appreciate, and it would create good relations with the
United States, if you would please give a company named Enron that contract for Argentina's
gas."
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And the guy from, the public works minister in Argentina was horrified because Enron was only going to pay one-fifth of the world price for this stuff.
What was the Bush family doing getting involved in that?
It's amazing, it's criminal, and on top of it, the World Bank IMF documents also state how their actions, grabbing the water, the roads, the fuel, the forest, will cause riots, and how that's good, because then they get to crack down even more.
We'll be right back in three minutes with Greg Palast to launch into some of the latest revelations about the IMF-World Bank takeover.
Now it's finally breaking in the mainstream news, then your calls.
unidentified
He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones, on the GCN Radio Network.
The organization the FBI was blocked from investigating by Clinton and Bush was headed by the U.S.
bin Laden family is now unquestionably tied to terrorism.
The new book is the best democracy money can buy.
It's already a bestseller and now it's in paperback twice the size with a lot of added information coming out in paperback today around the country.
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one eight hundred two five nine nine two three one reactor
uh... palestinian back into the i_m_f_ world bank you detail in our interview
march four there would be a coup guaranteed you said you don't
again go out on land you've always got to have a documentation how did you know
there'd be a crew in the military grabbed me was about to have an accident and suddenly there were riots
may have to releasing
How did you know that was going to happen?
unidentified
That was the president of Venezuela.
Well, it was not much guessing because I know how these guys operate and I was able to get the word from the plotters.
And, you know, so I have my hands into both camps.
I try to get the information.
So it was, it turns out that OPEC got advance warning of what was about to happen.
Now the problem that we run into is, you know, no one's looking at Venezuela except for you and a few people.
The war is aimed at Iraq, but this is where we get most of our oil.
Right. Our oil coming into Texas is heavy Venezuelan crude.
It was Venezuela which broke the Arab oil embargo in 1973.
And the Bush administration wants to make sure that we have control of Venezuela's oil now.
Yeah, so they can keep oil prices high during the war.
They don't want Venezuela bringing us cheap crude.
They want to rip you off at the pump.
I hope you enjoy it.
Heating fuel has doubled in prices.
unidentified
Yeah, well it's gone crazy.
And then now, and then also the story about the World Bank.
As you know, I went through the documents from the World Bank, Mark's Secret, and one of the things it had in there, it said, well, if we go ahead with these plans, we know, for example, in the case of Ecuador, it says right in the plan, if we go ahead and require you to double the price of cooking gas in Ecuador, because that's the only way you can cook your food in Ecuador, is with bottled gas.
So this is like, you know, life and death food out in people's mouths.
If you increase the price of food, you increase the price of gasoline, you increase the price of cooking gas, we know that this will create That's what they call social unrest.
And when they did that, of course, the social unrest, what they mean by social unrest, I wasn't quite sure.
I said, it looks like they think that there's going to be a riot if they impose these plans, and they know it.
And Joe Stiglitz, who's the chief economist for the World Bank, so he was the guy on the inside, he says, oh yeah, that's what we call the IMF riot.
The riot was written into the plan, and then it says that the government has to respond with With political resolve and strong resolve, they keep using that term.
Greg Powell, I just want to go back for a second here.
This is so important, we cannot just glaze over this, folks.
You've got to listen carefully.
They create the climate to create the disaster to offer a police state solution and then before that they don't want this Venezuelan crude coming into the country to keep prices down.
They want a staged war where they'll make massive profits on increased gas prices.
This is total criminal activity.
unidentified
Well, you know what's happening is that also Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, has been vilified by the liberal press, by the right press, the establishment press.
He's a guy who just says, look, we're poor brown people down here, and we need a few extra bucks.
And he's, as his minister told me, he's the dissenter from the New World Order, and they can't let him stay in office.
I have to kill him. They have to get rid of him now because he said no to these plans.
The IMF comes to you and the World Bank guys, they fly in their teams, they stay at the
big intercontinental hotels and the five star hotels and then they dictate their plans an
average of 114 conditions, an average, to each nation's finance minister. And they have
a pre-written document with a place for his signature.
So they say it's voluntary.
It's voluntary, like, you know, there's a financial gun to this guy's head.
We've caught them at demonstrations here, the feds in Seattle hiring provocateurs,
housing them, so sometimes they provocateur it as well.
But people in the third world are starting to get wind of this because of your writings and work and because of the transcripts that went worldwide and in hundreds of newspapers as you said.
The thing that folks have to understand here is they're doing it here in another fashion, and they're telling police, and I'm getting this all over the country, Greg, that they're going to engineer a major financial implosion here, and that they've been issuing riot gear and riot training, and I'm not kidding, Humvees with microwave guns, And the Sunshine Project reported helicopters with knockout gas.
I mean, it is an insane police state they're setting up for an engineer collapse here.
Are you getting that from your sources?
unidentified
What I'm getting is, I haven't looked at the police side of it.
What I'm looking at is the intelligence side.
What's breaking down now, for example, I talked about the company getting the DNA samples.
They say, well, we don't, this is private, we don't turn it over to government.
Choice Point, the company that fix the election in Florida, says we have 20 billion pieces
of data on Americans, and that is supposed to be private data, but under the USA
Patriot Act, every little bit of that information is suddenly opened without a search warrant for
the first time in American history, without a search warrant.
Yeah, so what's happened is that this is the guy in charge.
The company Syntec, which is getting the big contracts to do the data mining on Americans, Was the Senior Vice President until recently was John Poindexter, the guy in charge of Total Information Awareness.
These guys are like building each other their own companies.
I wrote an analysis on InfoWars.com if you want to pick it up on your site so all of your millions of viewers can distribute it.
I've read the whole thing and it's been picked up by quite a few papers have asked for permission to reprint.
I read it when it first came out three weeks ago.
It turned out there was a Senate version, S-22, already introduced.
And so now Ashcroft and his minions are out promoting it.
This thing says that they can grab American citizens for any reason, secretly, hold them in detention camps, and not even tell anyone that they were grabbed.
unidentified
I know.
In fact, you know, there's an organization which sued the U.S.
government and simply asked for a list of people being held in detention.
Not even asking for open trial, simply asking for the list of those who were held in detention.
And, you know, the government has just dragged its feet.
I mean, you know, I'm very concerned that there are two things.
One, like I say, there are those people who are connected financially to the Bush family who seem to be getting a nice free ride on investigations, and yet they're Americans.
We don't know who they are, because we can't get the list.
And we don't even know how many.
I'm very concerned about this.
I know you are, and it's just a personal question of, you know, our civil liberties.
I've just moved... I have had to report these stories on BBC television, which goes all over the planet.
But I've just moved my family back to the United States.
I want my kids to be Americans, but I want them to have an America that, you know, I learned about in school, you know, freedom of speech and, you know, the government, you know, doesn't snoop around your home or your bank accounts or go into your underwear drawer.
Well, I just want to point out, they're saying all this, they're saying more attacks are coming, and that will generalize Patriot Act 2.
Now we're hearing about Patriot Act 3.
And while they leave the borders wide open, Greg, let's take some calls.
John in Florida, you're on the air with Greg Powell.
Let's go ahead, John.
unidentified
Thank you for taking my call.
Thank you for all your hard work, Joe, and both of you.
I mean that very sincerely.
My question is going to be directed to something that happened many years ago, but Greg, maybe you can give some light on this, is what happened to the Well, Clark Clifford, the author of the National Security Act that made the government go secret, I've talked to Greg.
BCCI is involved, aren't they?
has been recycled in some way shape or form into these institutions that you speak of.
Well, Khalid Bin Mahfouz, remember I just told you about how Bush's partner, according to two sources, was at this meeting in which Al Qaeda funding was discussed in Paris in 96.
Uh, one of the other people in that room, according to two sources, Khalid Bin Mahfouz of BCCI.
So, it's, you know, it's the same crew and, you know, look, I can't blame George Bush for these guys having some secret meeting.
Uh, you know, he wasn't invited as far as I know, but, you know, the FBI and CIA would really like to follow up on these things so we can find out what these characters are up to.
They won't talk about a Miami Herald report, and with just a few others, that for the three days that all air traffic was shut down, locked down, there were jets leaving Miami and jets leaving Boston Logan full of Bin Ladens.
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Well, you know, I know that at least after the air traffic control limit was lifted, there was a charter jet which moved some of the members of the Bin Laden family out.
And remember, they're not terrorists just because their name is Bin Laden.
The thing is that FBI agents have wanted to Well, why were they allowed to leave and nobody else could?
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Well, um, I think that it was still, they had a special charter supposedly on the grounds that, you know, being bin Laden, that they might be attacked by angry Americans.
Though, you know, Americans are not that dumb.
They don't just take someone's last name and attack them.
We haven't had any concept of that.
And in fact, the two guys that the FBI was looking for left even before September 11th, Abdullah and Omar.
That was the real tragedy, is that those guys had a few questions to ask.
And throwing out over a thousand lawsuits over autism being directly linked to their vaccine additive.
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That's right.
And in fact, I'm also here in Houston, Texas, where I'm talking from, and one of the big dangers we have to look out for in terrorism is attack on our chemical plants.
And what, for example, if you live within two miles of the giant Exxon refinery here and you have a pentane release, anyone within two miles is going to have their skin burned off.
There's 7,000 people living in that vulnerability zone.
And there are two ways to fix that problem.
First, you can make the plant safer and more secure.
Or second, you can simply I have a newsletter here from Robert Chapman.
He says Bush's budget director, Mitch Daniels, formerly worked at Lilly.
that's what they've done for exxon, they've now blocked all the EPA records so you don't
know what the danger is.
If you're living in vulnerability zones, you're still as vulnerable.
I have a newsletter here from Robert Chapman.
He says Bush's budget director, Mitch Daniels, formerly worked at Lilly.
The CEO, Sidney Terrell, sits on the Presidential Homeland Security Council.
And the new Federal Trade Commission guy is a Skull and Bones member.
Thanks for the call, Art.
I tell you, it's one big happy family, isn't it, Greg?
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Yeah, what I'm worried about is the money poisoning of our political system.
It's not a case of one party or another.
What I'm worried about, and the reason I call the book The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, it looks like we're holding auctions Auctions, not elections.
And the question is, what are these donations buying?
That is a very, very big problem.
In fact, let me end with one final thing, Alex.
Who won the last Gulf War?
After the last Gulf War, remember we were promised democracy in Kuwait.
I'm still waiting for the election returns from Kuwait, from that little royal dictatorship.
But who did win?
I'll tell you.
Chevron Oil.
After Poppy Bush left the White House, or he was removed by two-thirds of the American electorate, after he left the White House, he wrote a letter to the Emirate asking Kuwait to give Chevron Oil an oil concession.
The ex-President of the United States, the guy who saved their Rolls Royces, asked them to give Chevron Oil.
They did that, and his son got half a million bucks into his campaign kitty.
