In this episode of The Alex Jones Show from February 24th, 2003, hosts discuss the allegation that
U.S. military personnel were involved in starting oil well fires during the Gulf War. They interview
Dave von Kleist and Joyce Riley who present evidence suggesting that Kuwaiti oil fields were set on
fire by US forces to keep oil prices high. The guests also investigate the Gulf War, claiming it was
fabricated by advertising agencies and public relations firms. The hosts discuss recent revelations
about Al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders being flown to safety during the war. They argue that mainstream
media outlets are not investigating these claims and that they are being suppressed by the
government. The show encourages listeners to share information and take action against what they
perceive as a cover-up of U.S. war crimes. Callers discuss their concern for government
transparency, government deception such as fake news stories planted by the Pentagon, and hypocrisy
in Iraq. They emphasize the need for people to come forward with information and share their stories
in order to expose the truth about government-sponsored terrorism and other conspiracies.
If you just are patient with us, you'll get a chance to talk to Dave and Joyce.
Dave von Kleist and Joyce Riley, who wrote a major story.
Of course, we're proud to have them here on this network for many years with us, with their show every morning from 7 to 10 p.m.
Central, 7 to 10 a.m.
Central, excuse me.
I remember seeing some stories about this years ago, hearing some rumors that it was the globalists themselves that blew up the Kuwaiti oil fields as a pretext to keep oil prices high in 1991 at the end of the Gulf War.
And now Dave and Joyce have some really powerful evidence towards that conclusion.
And it ties in with the reports that I haven't gotten to yet, but that I will in this hour, Confirming the U.S.
government, not 5,000, not 6,000, but 8,000, perhaps more, Al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders flown out to safety with their intelligence controllers, Pakistan ISI, which is admitted CIA.
This is another huge story.
We've been covering this now for about a year and a half.
Now it's back in the news with even more shocking revelations, and Bill Moyers covered this last Friday.
But the news is putting an interesting spin on it, so that's coming up as well.
Also, the government says, brace for more massive terrorist attacks.
We'll be getting into that.
News on the economy, which is getting into a deep, deep recession.
Job layoffs everywhere.
Unemployment running out.
This is the wonders of NAFTA.
And yet, they promised this would make milk and honey flow in the streets, and it's a lie.
And it's all by design.
We have the World Bank documents.
Reported on this with Greg Pallast about a year ago.
And by the way, Greg Pallast is joining us from his studio at another radio station in Houston, live tomorrow.
So we'll be simulcasting there.
And Greg Pallast, Newsnight reporter with BBC, who talked about the Rothschilds running the Enron scam on this show.
So you talk about the New World Order in your face.
It's not a conspiracy, it's a fact, ladies and gentlemen.
We have a corrupt world government destroying all liberty.
Captain Joyce Riley, again, of the Gulf War Vets Association, and Dave von Kleist host of the Power Hour.
Great to have you on the show with us today with this big story.
Well it is, and I think that when you consider all of the issues that have fallen surrounding the Gulf War, it's kind of like with 9-11.
Just the way you've been exposing 9-11, we've been looking seriously at what brought us the Gulf War and how many of those things were manufactured by advertising agencies and public relations agencies.
And so after a list of those things, I'll let Dave just give you, set the predicate here for how many things have fallen that were, we believe, to be the real deal.
Yeah, hi Alex.
When you take a look at the track record of the federal government and the mainstream media, I'm just going to go real quickly through each one of these points.
The Naira story, the incubator story that was touted by George Bush Sr.
turned out to be a total fabrication brought to you by an advertising firm named Hill & Milton.
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you can read the transcript on one of the soldiers they interviewed was involved in the
demolition of kuwaiti oil fields
this is a big story now breaking nationally thanks to their investigative
work and our listenership getting involved providing the evidence we just
capped a recap the information history cabinet
we have how putting out fake stories of chemical and biological
plant that turned out to be bakeries
We have them with fake dossiers plagiarized from graduate students years ago.
We have them announcing Bin Laden tapes hours before they show up at Al Jaheer's.
We have the fake incubator story back in 1990 on the eve of the Gulf War.
We have David Joyce, who just didn't come along the story today.
They've been working on the Gulf War now, or experts on Gulf War II, For years, and I want to remind you that David Joyce broke the story with doctors and scientists six, seven, eight years ago of the Gulf War illness, the chemical and biologicals that they were hit with, the brain, uh, stem, death, and now that's even come out on CNN, the very video they got from troops, they put in their video, the Gulf War illness, fact or fiction, uh, inside the bunkers of the U.S.
made chemical and biologicals, the sarin, the VX, that's now on CNN.
So we've got folks here that are really bringing forward real news stories and have been attacked a lot for doing it, just like I've been attacked viciously.
But in the end, we unfortunately always turn out to be correct because we do our homework.
That's how we stay on the air year after year, bringing you real news.
And that's why these shows, my show and their shows, are exploding nationwide.
Dave, Joyce, continuing, give us a nutshell of what's happened, and then launch into it.
I know you've got the transcript here, read by Dave, to protect the voice print of one of your witnesses.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Okay, let me just simply say that we understand how serious this is.
We understand the impact of this.
If this is true, it would change the perspective of this war from the entire world.
So we don't do this lightly.
There's been a lot of prayer, a lot of discussion, a lot of agonizing over whether or not to come forward with this.
This is the result of five people that have come forward that we have had conversations with who said that the oil well fires were not set By the Iraqis alone.
Now this is considerable information.
And I think with some of the background information I will give you later, this will be made clear.
We by no means think Saddam is a good guy.
We think he absolutely should have been put out back in the first Gulf War.
And by the way Joyce, and it was a world war that got the whole world behind it to empower the UN.
Since you broke this story on Coast to Coast Friday, there have been a lot of new key developments and we'll go over those later as well.
Go ahead.
unidentified
I'm glad to hear that because our purpose in this, when I came forward on Coast to Coast, I said I want somebody to disprove what I'm saying because I do not want to believe it's true but I feel that morally, after five people telling us this story, it deserves more attention, more research than we could possibly give it.
So that's the purpose of what we're doing here.
Now this gentleman that came forward He was involved in the setting of the fires.
Now, granted, he doesn't know the entire story.
He knows his portion of the mission that he participated in.
He was very frank with us.
He was very open with us.
But it was only after a lot of involvement.
In other words, he didn't just come out and one day we met him and he said, by the way, I was involved in setting oil well fires.
This took a long time for him to come forward and to explain this story to us.
Number one, it's very dangerous for his safety and your safety.
Folks should be praying for you.
Uh, number two, and this network, uh, number two, uh, this fits the
compartmentalization of intelligence operations that he was only part of one
portion of it.
unidentified
That's right.
And so it was not something that he wanted to tell us.
It was something that I wanted to hear.
And we've been telling the veterans.
We've been telling just like you've been telling people.
It's time that we tell the truth.
It's time that people whistleblow.
That people explain what really has transpired with whether it's 9-11 or Waco or whatever.
So here is the transcript.
Now again, this is the fifth person that came to us telling us that something had happened during the time of the oil well fires.
Here's the interview that I did with and Dave is going to be reading his part.
What branch of service were you in?
For different reasons, I'd rather not state that.
Fair enough.
There are a lot of people afraid of retaliation from the Gulf War.
Do you understand why they feel that way?
Yes, I do.
I learned to do what I did in the service.
To live in a different world that most people have been led to believe exists only in their worst nightmares.
Now, you were involved in an operation in Kuwait that really no one has heard of until this point in time.
We've had five or four other reports of people similar to yourself that have brought this to our attention.
You were chosen for a mission, and why do you think you were chosen for this mission?
We're all a product of our environment.
As a young man, I watched different movies and television shows, and I remember thinking how incredibly cool Rambo was.
Things of that nature.
And there were so many media in the form of music and commercials, movies, that primed me to accept the idea that to win was everything.
And so the military sort of capitalizes on that feeling.
Oh, very much so.
They find A lot of times before they even get you into boot camp where they can use your personality and your morals and they capitalize on these things and they steer you as it were into training avenues where you'll be the most beneficial to them.
Let's go to the time of the mission in Kuwait.
Where were you when you learned about this mission?
We had just gotten back into camp the day before, on a different mission, and we were actually in our quarters, resting, when we were told to muster out into the briefing tent, at which point a gentleman, who I originally, who I had first assumed to be an American, but I was concerned because he was wearing a UN uniform, insignia, and he began to brief us on the operation.
He pointed out the strategic points, and we were briefed as a group.
There were probably 30 or 40 in the group.
And then, we were asked to leave, and our individual commanders were given the objectives for their group.
At which point, our individual commanders briefed us on our individual objectives.
And then we went, and we drew our gear, and we were transported via armored personnel carrier to close to the front, at which point we set out on foot.
I acted alone.
Why were you told you were going to be doing this mission?
What were you told of the purpose?
There was concern that America, the American public, might see this conflict as an unnecessary thing.
And we were asked to do this, or we were ordered to do this, in order to remove any, to sway any public opinion, American public opinion, to remove any doubts whatsoever that Saddam Hussein and his regime were a terrible evil that had to be dealt with.
And what branches of the service were represented in this briefing tent?
I recognized faces from the Navy SEALs, Marine Force Recon, and Delta Force.
Okay, now you're on your way to the mission.
You've been taken by armored personnel carrier that dropped you off to your area.
What do you do then?
Well, then we move through gaps in our lines to where we're actually forward of the front.
As the popular expression says, behind enemy lines.
We traveled up, well I say we, well I, I was acting alone.
My mission objective was assigned to me personally.
I did not have an operative with me.
I moved forward and I carried out my mission parameters and then I moved and then I withdrew and concealed myself until such a time as the front moved past me.
Okay, let me back up a second.
You carried out your mission.
Let's talk about that mission.
Yes.
What was your mission?
What were you told that you were supposed to do?
To damage, I was given, number deleted, Kuwaiti oil wells to damage and to start a fire.
And how did you do this?
With the use of explosives and incendiaries.
How did you utilize these explosives?
What were these explosives?
The explosive I used was C4.
It's lightweight, it's easy to use, it's very safe to transport.
You take it and A wellhead is nothing more than a pipe sticking out of the ground with valves.
It's not like a water well where you have a top that you can take off.
It's completely sealed due to the environmental concerns involved with crude oil.
Depending upon the site of the well, the valve is anywhere from three to six feet off the ground.
I placed the explosive on the wellhead and the incendiaries nearby so that after the fire, after the wellhead was damaged, the incendiary could light the crew to oil the fire.
Did you light it yourself?
No, I actually transmitted a signal via a transmitter to a central location.
Which basically told them that the well had been set?
The well had been set and they could detonate it at their leisure.
What did you do then?
Then I removed myself from the area.
I egressed from the area and concealed myself until our units had advanced forward of me.
I don't understand.
Help me understand what you mean by that.
The whole idea behind the operation was to make it look as if the Republican Guard, while they were retreating, had set the oil wells afire in a panic to keep us from getting them and to villainize them.
This mission would not have been achieved if our forces saw those involved were not Republican Guard.
In other words, you were in fear of your own men seeing you, basically.
That is correct.
Did you see anybody else in the oil well field at the time that you were there?
No, I did not.
So you then regressed from the area, made sure that your own men did not see you, and then the oil well fires were started?
Yes.
Did you see them start?
I actually, due to where I was concealed, I could not see them.
But due to the nature of the operation, you could feel the explosions and you could hear the fire.
So the story that we're told, that the Republican Guard and they're retreating, that they started them very hastily, is not accurate?
That's correct.
Did you see any Republican Guard?
In the entire deleted months that I spent in the theater of operations, I did not see one individual that wore a Republican Guard uniform.
kleist the power hour right here on this network breaking a major national story last friday
that they brought me into confidence on about i guess over three weeks ago actually
and uh...
they've talked to five people and since then they've uh... gotten calls on a host of
issues surrounding us We'll get into some of the latest developments that Joyce told me about on the phone yesterday, later.
And I know we have loaded phones with a lot of callers as well.
Dave, Joyce, any comments before you continue with the conclusion of the transcript that you're reading?
unidentified
No, I think, why don't we just finish this, and get through this, and then we can take any questions regarding this.
Sure.
Okay.
The question had been asked, did you see any Republican Guard?
I saw no Republican Guard uniforms.
Did you see any Iraqi troops that wore uniforms?
I saw quite a few Iraqi troops that wore uniforms.
But no Republican Guard?
I saw no Republican Guard uniforms.
After this period of time, when you started the oil well fires, did you have any concerns that you had started these fires, or did you think that it was the best thing for this country?
At the time, like I say, due to the nature of my mindset, it did not bother me.
That was your job, your mission, and you carried it out?
That is correct.
Well, I appreciate very much your being frank with us and open about this because there are many people that are now coming forward and saying the same thing.
That there were no Republican Guard anywhere around.
That it was the American troops that actually started the oil well fires.
And I want to thank you very much.
Is there anything you'd like to say in closing?
I believe it's a shame that our government is getting ready to repeat mistakes.
I believe.
I went over to fight what I thought was a common enemy of the world and I watched my friends bleed and die for this cause.
Only for us to be stopped short of our objective, our final objective.
I have no reason to believe that it'll be any different this time.
And I understand the necessity for the loss of life to protect our country.
But loss and waste are two very different things.
Why are you coming forward right now in saying this?
I feel that for us to return over there with this current administration's mindset, that it would, that history would only repeat itself.
Thank you very much, and I do salute you for what you're doing.
That is the end of the transcript between myself and this troop who was willing to come forward.
He is very concerned about anybody that does come forward that there will be retaliation.
And that is a problem when you serve your country.
And you're involved in these elite forces.
It's not popular for you to come forward and talk about what you've done.
Let me just say that this story, as big as it is, has some more background.
This is not just the only part of this story.
In fact, we have found out since that time that in the Fire This Time, a book by Ramsey Clark, who wrote regarding the U.S.
war crimes in the Gulf, I was shocked to find out that there were two federal studies released in January of 1991 showing that the government had been evaluating the war's environmental impact for some time.
These fires were not started until February of 1991.
And their reports, listen to this, Sandia Labs conducted the first study involving Livermore and Los Alamos National Laboratories for the Department of Energy.
The report was titled, Potential Impacts of Iraqi Use of Oil as a Defensive Weapon.
So they set the stage that Iraq was going to do this early on.
And they say that based on information that comes out of the report that we have received, a 20 million barrel crude oil spill to the Persian Gulf is possible near Kuwait's coast.
10 million barrels could be released in the first 24 hours, followed by another 10 million in the next 36 hours.
They say, oh, the World Trade Center is going to get hit again, and then it does happen.
We look at Operation Northwoods.
It calls for sabotage to be blamed on foreign enemies as a pretext and to legitimize war.
unidentified
That's an excellent point.
Also, it says there is another study that was released called the Environmental Impact of the Damage to Kuwait Oil Facility.
That was also released.
On January 11, 1991 by Pacific Sierra Research for the National Defense Nuclear Agency and it stated that this would be a massive and unprecedented pollution event.
Now note it says this would be a massive and unprecedented pollution event.
It would impact the ecology of the Persian Gulf and fall out on a wide swath across Iran, Pakistan and Northern India.
Now the Bush administration understood the potential harm of the war.
There was an associated press I'll tell you what, Joyce, we've got a break.
We'll come back with that Associated Press statement revealed.
We'll also get into all the other points here.
You had told me that you had talked to someone who saw themselves on TV supposedly putting the fires out and that it had been a totally different country and with stock footage.
All right folks, Alex Jones here back live with Davon Kleiss and Captain Joyce Riley
breaking a major news story Friday and now there have been some new developments that they've learned about.
I would just remind the listeners again that we have in our possession U.S.
government plans to commit acts of terrorism to kill american citizens to
kill u_s_ troops and then blame it on foreign enemies is a pretext for war
or to legitimize a war that's already taking place sabotage is listed
sniper attacks bombings hijackings
attacks on ships the list goes on and on and we've seen it all
played out time and time again we saw the attack by israel on the u_s_s_ liberty
in sixty seven uh... under u_s_ government control trying to sink the ship
deployment on egypt
This is their favorite tactic and this fits in quite nicely.
Unfortunately, a lot of people also believe that right at the end of the war, they pointed out that only 50 people had died, and then suddenly this barracks blows up, supposedly from a scud, killing over 100 servicemen and women.
Right at the end of the war, oh, see, the war's good.
The war was legitimate.
And that's the intel they're getting from this military man.
One of the five they've interviewed was that this was to legitimize, and funny, that's the exact words in their Northwoods plan, a very dangerous story to be reporting because I believe it is true from the MO and the documents we have and other activities that we've proven.
David Joyce, any other key points you want to add before we go to these calls?
unidentified
i just want to say that the associated press ran a story saying that the cleanup equipment had been in
had been ordered in november of nineteen ninety i think about that
the fires were in february of nineteen ninety one but listen to the statement according to the associated
press t_v_ o'brien who was president of the o_j_ e_ drilling
which is one of the cleanup companies working in the gulf
was in june nineteen ninety one saying that they were still waiting
for heavy construction bulldozers backhoes in cranes more than three hundred trucks and a host of
specialized smaller tools that had been ordered in november of nineteen ninety
Although it was aware of the danger, Washington prevented negotiation of a peaceful settlement Commenced an aerial assault on Iraq and failed to take preventive and control measures.
Now there's also information coming from some of the troops that there were aerial bombing runs that started the fires also.
That there was a different mechanism.
It wasn't just one group of people starting all those fires.
So that's basically our statements regarding what happened.
Now the Spotlight in 1999 ran an article saying that the oil minister of Iraq I'm trying to get a statement from the Embassy of Iraq right now on that.
As of yet, I have not received one.
But the Iraq government never admitted to starting those fires.
We know Powell, a few weeks ago, said that they had a ChemBio lab in northern Iraq.
BBC went in.
It was a bakery.
We know Powell brings forward fake secret documents written by graduate students years ago and says this is a brand new secret document from the British.
We know he said, oh, Algiers is airing a bin Laden tape.
They went and surveyed it and said they don't have any tape.
He goes, oh, they'll be getting it in a few hours.
I mean, you start adding all this together, it stinks to high heaven.
No, he... I'll tell you what, I'm going to let Dave go on.
He's got other things he has to do right now.
Go ahead, Dave.
Did you want to say something?
I just wanted to point out that there have been some negative comments that were emailed to us, and it's so important for folks to understand that for those that find this information distasteful, the first knee-jerk reaction they have is to say, oh, you must be some liberal Democrat, you know, Clintonista type.
And that couldn't be farther from the truth.
When Clinton was in office, we were just as tough on him with his sale of secrets to China, with Mena, Arkansas, all the other scandals that rocked his particular administration.
It has nothing to do with Democrat versus Republican, or left versus right, or any of that type of stuff.
They do, because we know that Bush and Clinton, Bush Sr.
and Clinton, met many times.
We know they're business partners.
I mean, Bush Sr.
was CIA Director, and if people can't understand this cloak-and-dagger, double-agent business, and how this is all just theater, they've got a serious problem.
I mean, I saw a report last week out of the Associated Press where the government told the people that were going to be hosting the Grammys not to criticize the war.
That's how bad it's gotten.
And Joyce, you told me on the phone yesterday that you talked to someone at one of the major news broadcast networks that she was saying that she cried overhearing you Friday on Coast to Coast, that they've been told you are not allowed to criticize any of the actions of this administration.
unidentified
Well, the statement is, and this came from a major news director, that they cannot criticize the prevailing domestic policy.
That's what they've been told.
And in fact, the only persons that we know that are doing that right now are Moyers on PBS and Amy Goodman on Democracy Now!
But that's just energizing the left wing so they can contain it and try to control people continuing that paradigm.
This is very important, though, because we have the Associated Press articles and other news.
It's in my two new films.
It came out last week with the Grammys, where they sent Mr. Card to the meeting with the top ten CEOs of Hollywood and broadcast television, the sitcoms and dramas and news, and they said, no more criticism of the government.
So her claim is already on the record.
Folks, this is huge, that we're having... Joyce, I heard you last week say that you've heard the so-called conservative neocons all saying the same words in the same order.
I know there's talking points.
And now I've heard another national host say anyone that criticizes the government should be put in a forced labor camp.
This is bone chilling.
unidentified
Yes, it is.
It is.
And this story, if we can get it out, if we can force the mainstream media to have to investigate this, Then I think we're going to be a whole lot closer to holding this war off.
And I think that it is in a rain delay right now.
Bill Hemmer from CNN was brought home from Kuwait, so that tells you right there the war's not about ready to start or Bill would have been there.
So I think we need to take advantage of this time.
It is working.
People are now losing interest in this war, seeing through it, and it's time more than ever that people act.
The problem is, Joyce, the globalists are going to engage in more terrorist attacks in the western hemisphere to then say, see, we told you so, we were right.
If we don't expose that they're the ones blowing up the oil fields and they're the ones bombing the World Trade Center the first time, which is a admitted fact, and involved in September 11th of 2001, if we don't expose their involvement bringing the thousands of Iraqis in who were involved in the Oklahoma City bombing, admitted fact, We don't do that so people have an epiphany nationwide that, hey, the intelligence agencies are carrying out Operation Northwoods to a T. They're going to keep carrying out attacks and posing as our saviors.
unidentified
That's right.
And I do want to hear from any of your listeners at thepowerhour.com.
Email us.
If you can disprove the story that we gave, and I'm interested in your comments from your listeners.
Most of the military people have told me, yeah, you're right.
Most of the citizens who really don't know what's going on are the ones that are saying, you know, why don't you just go live with Jane Fonda?
Well, it wasn't dirty bombs, it was munitions fired from Vulture cannons and Abrams M1A.
unidentified
De facto, I'm saying effectively, but what I really wanted to bring up was the lies you're talking about, because about two months ago on the Knight Ritter newspapers, it was an article that was mentioned one day, and it was almost as if the censors in the editorial office said, how'd that get out, don't ever mention it again, but it was huge.
What it said was that the Bush administration had been strong-arming and fiercely pressuring its own people within the Pentagon, the CIA, and the diplomatic corps to lie, apparently lie.
Yes, that was broken by Capitol Hill Blue, then picked up by Reuters and AP.
The headline in Capitol Hill Blue was...
C.I.
and F.B.I.
officials tell Capitol Hill Blue that Bush is pressuring them to put out fake terror alerts to create hysteria.
That was what they were told.
unidentified
Well, this article said they have been pressured to lie against Iraq, frame up Iraq for non-existent ties to al-Qaeda, non-existent weapons, and non-existent aggressive intentions.
Now, these kinds of things are quickly dropped almost as if it's an accident, and I think that, you know, what we see in the headlines today, this threat Hold on, John.
What a wonderful job you and Dave are doing, Joyce, and that is just an incredible, incredible bit of information that I hope every single person is downloading from your website right now and taking that to various organizations, including the churches.
Because, you know, we are asleep.
Well, thank you.
And I just really appreciate you and Dave.
And also, Alex, you too.
And you had a caller, Jerry, from Ohio.
We have a great group in Ohio that are activists that are fighting the judicial system.
He needs to get involved from a grassroots point of view.
I know there's a lot of callers here and I'm not sure who's calling in on the topic.
Mark, who's up next here?
Okay, let's just go ahead then and talk to Martin in Illinois.
Martin, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Thank you for your guests.
You're all doing a wonderful job.
Just to digress a little bit from the subject here, in Illinois, the House has passed a bill which will require all dog owners to have implantable microchips in their dogs now.
Also, Joyce, if you heard about New Mexico, and I've got the bill, they passed a law where if there's any type of disaster, guns are outlawed and you can't leave your house or be in other areas to lock down the cities.
How does all this government terrorism tie into the Model State Health Emergency Powers Act, Joyce?
unidentified
Well, it's the missing part of it, and I think all you have to do is look at who their governor is, former ambassador to the United Nations, and he's leading the move to tighten down the weapons on a state-by-state basis.
So we have to have, if we're going to forcibly inject people, we're going to have to have their weapons taken away or these people are going to respond.
Is it not exciting that 90 plus percent of doctors and medical workers are refusing to take the smallpox shot?
unidentified
Oh absolutely and I think it's going to grow and that's why they have to take away the weapons.
They weren't able to convince people to take this vaccine.
You know, I want to jump in and mention that it was John Kennedy that said, if you make peaceful change impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable.
And I think that the powers that be understand those words very well, which is why I think you're going to see an increased push now to take away anybody's ability to defend themselves.
Because they are making it impossible for peaceful change.
We need look no further than the late James Collier's book, Vote Scan, to see that our ability to vote has been taken away.
You know, it's important to understand in this equation is not our opinion, but there's a U.S.
government plan to carry out murders and killings and sabotage.
That is on the record.
Joyce, how important is Northwoods to convincing people of the reality of what you're reporting?
unidentified
Well, I think it's so good that you put that information on your website, and we have sent a lot of people to that website, because to understand what's happening, you have to understand the fraud.
To understand the fraud, you have to see the documentation, and there it is.
It's right there in plain day.
We know that they have needed to create this kind of agenda, if you will, or prop agenda.
In fact, in a book called Second Front, John MacArthur also talks about how Hillel Nolten was asked to, you know, just to stir this fire and make people basically against Iraq.
I mean, that was the job they were given.
And so, you know, all we have to do is look back and see the history.
So a couple weeks ago I listened to your show and a guy named Eugene called in and said he was a Delta Force or something like that and said there were nukes buried in the sand and so on.
Have you had any more communications with him?
I've had communication with him, but at this point I don't feel comfortable enough to go forward with it.
You want to take over regions of the world, you blow stuff up and blame it on somebody.
And then you even have hired terrorists that take the blame but are never caught.
You notice, Joyce, we're not hearing about trying to get Bin Laden now.
He's just off the radar screen.
unidentified
That's right.
It's Osama who?
I mean, it's not even part of the news.
And it's as if we just move on past these things and everybody is taught to accept that.
You know, one thing I wanted to mention is that when you were mentioning Rumsfeld, Back in 1983, when Rumsfeld went to Iraq to meet with Saddam Hussein, we thought he was there for just one meeting.
We were told that it was a meeting in which he was an envoy, a private envoy from the Reagan administration.
What I did not know at the time is that he took a six-month leave from a pharmaceutical company, G.D.
Serol Pharmaceutical Company.
Not only did he go to Iraq, but he met with all the key leaders of all the Middle Eastern nations friendly to the United States.
We're out of time at this hour, and yes, send any information about the oil well fires to Dave and Joyce, or you can shoot it over to me and I'll get it over to them because they broke the story, and I believe it.
It puts the M.O.
They've got a lot of evidence.
Dave and Joyce will write about the Gulf War illness, and then I guarantee you they'll write about this.
Third hour coming up, a bunch of news we haven't even gotten
